Great video bro but i did notice one point of contention, Amazonian women are stronger thn your ordinary human male by a fair amount, so we dont really know how long they can hold a bow back. We should get Chad on this though.
Just rewatched this and it came to mind that the way Batman is depicted in this movie makes a mockery out of him in more than one way. Not only is he basically just the bus driver, because he is facing enemies that are objectively more powerful than he is in combat, he is also made looking like an idiot. Bruce Wayne/Batman is a strategical and tactical genius and he does not _need_ to be stronger than anyone else, because he _outsmarts_ everyone. There is a reason that the typical counter to the question _'Could Batman defeat X?'_ is _'Does he have preparation time?'._ Batman has outsmarted _gods_ and beings with powers on a cosmic scale. But in this movie, he is just the useless bus driver.
Snyder cut does a better job showing how he uses strategy and his technology to at least hold his own, as well as, having a way of thinking that brings rationale to the groups purpose (bringing back superman, etc). In Whedon version, he just makes jokes and looks cool.
@@bkimatab He's only talking about this film dude. The Snyder cut is pretty much a completely different movie, but it also doesn't help that bruce made some utterly stupid decisions in bvs too lol
The Batman/Superman Animated Series: World's Finest ... that is Batman and Superman.... 5 seconds after they meet.. Superman is on his knees in front of Batman........... same night... both know their secret identities.... and then you see a correct balance of power between both characters......... Bruce messing around with Lois Lane is another jewel from that doble episode..... This continuous in..... Superman: The Animated Series: The Demon Reborn..... and in Superman: The Animated Series: Knight Time ...... where Superman literally dresses up like Batman to kick Bane's ass ...... now that was he good stuff !!!....
Batman is by far my favorite comic book character ever. The way he's been portrayed since BvS though is basically a useless, weak rich guy that can't really help at all compared to demi-gods. Like you pointed out, he's more than capable of defeating about anyone, but he has a difficult time fighting some parademons. PARADEMONS! Talk about weakening a character.
@@Ramdileo_sysWorld's Finest was fantastic storytelling. And it was a cartoon for kids! I also love that Supes figures out Bats identity by using his Xray vision uttering a shocked "Bruce Wayne?" to which Batman responds with "You peeked. That wasn't very Boyscout of you." And then later tricks Clark into answering the phone as 'Superman' and has him walk out on the balcony to 'zoom in' on Bats watching him from several blocks away with a high powered telescope and microphone and tell him "Gotcha back, Clark." They figured out each other's identities in 2 different ways. Superman 'cheated' with Xray vision, but Batman outsmarted him into putting his guard down. Classic Bats.
yeah, a Joker movie that was nominated for multiple Oscars made more money than a Justice League movie that belongs at the bottom of the garbage can. Not surprising at all.
@@Harold075 Many know Justice league from the animated shows and movies. Joker worked because it's a self contained story. Zack Snyder is the Frank Miller of Hollywood, his vision contradicts the character but works well as it's own thing.
Exactly. Snyder fanboys think that it was all Whedon's fault. Directors are suppose to have months if not a year or more prep time for this type of movie. Getting dropped in when it already started is just a recipe for disaster. Also, how is Steppenwolf Whedon's fault? Or the lack of setup for Flash, Aquaman or Cyborg?
With 10 seconds, Cpt. Smith could have ordered a hard to starboard. Hit the berg head on. It would have crushed the bow and probably rendered the ship a total financial loss. But it wouldn't have opened up enough watertight compartments to cause the ship to sink.
@@phluphie oh, I know that. Deciding to turn is what sank the ship. Anybody who watched a documentary on Titanic knows that. However, that is only common knowledge through retrospect and analysis of what happened...and...how does that metaphorically translate into how to handle finishing the making of a movie with 5 major, cinematically, un-established characters and a lot of overhead and no direction for the franchise?
The Amazons had millennia to prepare for Steppenwolf's return and the best plan they could come up with is stand around it in a circle. You would think at the very least the Green Lanterns would have set an alarm system that calls them when someone takes the motherbox.
9:28 - "He's whiny, and hyperactive, and most of his reactions are completely inappropriate to what's goin' on." So, he's a physical incarnation of twitter?
I knew the Whedon theatrical release was in trouble when all the advertising was built around the catchphrase "Unite the Seven" and there were only six of them.
At first I thought he was kinda funny, but after a short while I thought it was getting old pretty fast. I mean, I get it: he's fast and hyperactive but he ended up being pretty irritating.
If you watch the Zack Snyder cut, you get that Joss Whedon was evil all along and wanted to sabotage the DCEU. I mean, he disrespected the stablished cannon and went out of his way to fuck with it some more. Just think about Lois Lane, from a "Thirsty hoe" to "To a grieving widow". I'll give the dude a thumbs up for coming up with Buffy but that's it.
@@nitramdh That would be surprising since he wanted a shot at directing a Batgirl movie. Also I'd put the blame on the executives that went into panic mode instead of delaying the movie a bit. Heck, I even heard that the tragedy that befell Snyder was just an excuse to fire him and bring in a director who would lighten the tone of the movie and cut everything to the maximum because they didn't want a four hours flick. With that said, Joss Whedon did an awful job. But with most of the movie already filmed I can't see what else he could do...
Reminds me of Tom Holland’s spider man, but he never had a lot of lines so it didn’t feel annoying, a lot of characters shut him up so that wouldn’t, he was never to loud and when he was it didn’t last while, he generally had fun jokes and pop culture references but you could also see him struggling and he wasn’t all happy like that.
Yeah the whole scene was lacking in intelligence. Even collapsing the tunnel was s7upid. They had an eon to prepare and their plan was to needlessly sacrifice lives? The Mayans & Egyptians were able to mystify Indiana Jones. Their traps work long after they were gone. So are the Amazons just s7upid?
I love how Cyborg uses a blackout for secrecy! The first thing anybody does during a blackout is LOOK OUT A WINDOW to see if anybody else has lost power as well!
To answer the question: it was panic. They saw Marvel raking in buckets of cash and thought "holy shit, how do we hop on this gravy train?" Thinking the answer was "make a superhero movie!" they managed to overlook the fact that Marvel spent *years* building their franchise. Wasn't Iron Man from 2008? It was nearly 5 years of world-building before all the heroes were in the same film. DC realized they were late to the party and while there was an equally long gap between Man of Steel and Justice League, it's pretty clear those films were not meant to be connected in any meaningful way like Iron Man and The Avengers were. Everything after Man of Steel is just an effort to jam as much as possible into as little time as possible to catch up to Marvel. As pointed out in the video here - the end result is a complete mess. The Marvel cinematic universe, for all the flaws it has, is exceptional for the fact that a studio was convinced to play the long game - and holy crap did it ever pay off.
“You’d think after being isolated on an island for thousands of years, without any men, they’d be excited at the prospect of a vibrating object. But apparently not...”. Just brilliant! lol
Hardly. The hype and positive expectation for The Avengers was off the scale, and in no small part due to it being set up nicely by 5 previous MCU movies. I don't recall anyone fearing that film to be a flop.
@giftofgab247 The 2008 Hulk film was cannon, at the end of that one Tony shows up iirc. And Banner references the film when he said "Last time I was in New York, I broken Harlem"
Honestly “Man of Steel” wasn’t terrible. It was a decent stab at the DCU, with a good story but poor execution. Honestly Kevin Costner and Michael Shannon carried that movie. However, that being said Henry Cavill is a competent actor and could’ve been used in a better capacity. Justice league was just an unmitigated dumpster fire of dead babies.
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt totally not even the same movie. And yes, the snyder cut for its gargantuan run time is still superior technically to the original cut. Lighting, saturation, atmosphere, etc, are all better in the snyder cut. Even the story makes more sense because it’s fleshed out. That’s not to say that the original cut has no merit, it’s to say that one is objectively superior in terms of story and effects. I’m not interested in opinions of people who can’t be objective.
I agree, perhaps because I am a Cavill fan. He did a great job with his Superman and to the contrary it brought hope and justice and the American way, something lacking in movies now.
The MCU phase one worked because nearly each hero had their own story and were developed characters, we had iron man, hulk, captain America, thor and iron man 2. Each one introduces a new character who'll be part of the team, except thor which introduced thor and hawkeye. The title characters had their own backstories and character development, either obtaining power or in thors case, how to wield it righteously. Only once the main team and the two spies were introduced we had a big get together film and were invested in the characters, with loki being a returning villain with the power of an alien army and a mind controlling sceptre with him. Stakes are there. Before they had dealt with fairly localised threats, thor dealt with loki, iron man dealt with iron monger and whiplash and captain America who had the biggest threat dealt with hydra and the red skull in ww2, this was the first world threatening event because ww2 and a super soldier with an infinity stone were the threats Now, the way the DCEU goes as follows, ahem. "*HERE'S SUPERMAN BUT OH NO KRYPTONIANS ARE HERE TO DESTROY THE EARTH KABOOM HE WON BUT DESTROYED A CITY IN THE PROCESS. UH OH BATMAN DOESN'T LIKE HIM THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT AND YAY BATMAN WON BUT DOOMSDAY IS GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH. NA NA NA NA NANANA NA NA WONDER WOMAN IS HERE AND SHE HELPS SAVE THE DAY BUT OH SUPERMAN DIED DESTROYING DOOMSDAY :( ANYWAY WONDER WOMAN IS HERE DURING WAR TIME AND OH MY GOD A GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH. MIND-BLOWING! SO WONDER WOMAN KILLS HIM WITH HER LOVE BEAM. TEAM UP TIME! WE NOW HAVE FLASH AND CYBORG AND WET MAN. THEIR THREAT MUST BE HUGE AND IT'S ANOTHER ALIEN BUT ALSO ANOTHER GOD, STEPPENWOLF, HE WANTS TO DESTROY THE EARTH. PLOT TWIST! THEY AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH SO THEY RESURRECT SUPERMAN AND HE 1V1S STEPPENWOLF AND WINS THE DAY. CONSISTENCY!*"
"Now, you'd think after being isolated on an island for thousands of years without any men, they'd be pleased by the prospect of vibrating objects." I always figured that vibrating objects were their main industry on Themiscyra.
@@darkwolf1202 that had the infinity stones light, I mean his rings!they were supposed to be magical of some sorts!then it was just an actor who got wasted and thought it was a movie set!
Cure4Living - there’s no maybe about it. Batman and Superman are definitely far more iconic than Rocket Raccoon and Thanos. It’s not even close. Spider-Man, Superman and Batman would probably be the most iconic superheroes ever.
The rooftop scene is a perfect metaphor for this movie. Not only is Batman waisting his time on a non-violent burglar, he almost certainly destroyed the home of the person the burglar just robbed but flooding the place with a water tank. Getting robbed sucks, but it’s gotta be preferable to having thousands of gallons of water flood your building. But, fuck the structure, save the trinkets.
@@alphareturns5988 Useless was an exaggeration, but limited in quality is how I'd describe it. Anyway I can't say his version was any better. Plenty of stuff I'd have changed, character and ruleset wise
Let's not forget that out of all of the Avengers by the time AA came around, only 3 of the 6 characters on the team had movies that informed their decisions and motivations. Natasha and Barton's story is littered with small details and inferences throught the series, they're not really the focus of the movies but they have plenty of character and charisma. In ZS JL Cyborg doesn't need his own movie and neither does Flash, they could have had their characters and origins handled eloquently if the pacing of the movie was handled well enough. We don't need to see the lightning hit Barry to understand what happened, that scene with Cyborg digging up Superman is enough if you give them enough dialogue to explain stuff. These two people know each other just about as well as a newcomer audience member would, so this would be a perfect opportunity to explain some stuff to the audience and to have the characters relate to each other over something. Having more movies for each character would be good for something like setting up Darkseid's threat. The intro scene with Batman traversing the tundra with that shot of the landscape and that awesome soundtrack gives me an impression of an encroaching evil and a few people's desperation to understand and prepare for it. The problem is that there's no setup for Darkseid's threat other than the ending of this film. If I could change the entire series at this point, I'd make it so that Krypton was destroyed by Darkseid and his motherboxes, we wouldn't see that happen, but we could here Zod say something about wanting to terraform Earth to be a breeding ground for Kryptonians because Earth has no Kryptonite, meaning that Kryptonians are well, like Superman and that amount of strength is their best chance at stopping Darkseid and since Humans don't have that power, they are a waste of space and resources in Zod's eyes, he understands that with Darkseid and the whole multiverse at stake there can be no cut corners. This makes his willingness to exterminate an entire species a bit more believable. Also, don't have Superman say "Krypton had it's chance" before murdering hundreds of unborn children.
If DC hadn’t rushed things and built up their universe similarly to Marvel, they could have had an amazing cinematic universe like their animated films.
Not really. WB initially didn’t want want Marvel had. Snyder’s 5 movie se was fine. A stand-alone JL trilogy followed by spin offs. They would’ve been bette off with Snyder.
To be honest I think dc should have done the reverse. Do a justice league movie then give each character a movie after. I mean honestly these characters are so iconic that we don't really need much of an introduction to them similar to how marvel treated spider-man.
@Yeah Right still posting weekly actually... I think they’ve just done like every movie in existence and are running out of content. The final stages of a once great pages demise:(
@Burn Loot Murder Plenty wrong with that. But I used to love cinemasins, but they held personal politics as more important than the dissection of problems with a film and its production to the point that it felt to me like a different version of people who defend captain marvel and the new star wars movies.
@@thebloocat Personal politics, such as his opinions on this or that which were things relevant to the subject matter of movie but I just found unwelcome.
10:50 Ahh Drinker you magnificent alcoholic, as an archer I'm glad that someone finally called out movies on treating bows as something that you just point like a gun instead of what it really is - brute forcing a massive stick into bending when it doesn't want to.
Even despite the fact that holding a longbow drawn would be insane even after half a minute, let's not even think what that would do the bowstring. Uurgh.
Most fantasy and historical films make this mistake, when 5 minutes on CZcams could have put them on the right track. Why do they keep doing it? Don't know!
I do feel compelled to point out that Amazons are superhumanly strong and probably easily capable of holding a bow at full draw for quite a while. The bow itself is likely to be the point of failure as the constant tension damages the materials.
@@peterbrazukas7771 Why would Amazons limit their firepower by using bows of such a relatively light poundage that they are able to hold them effortlessly at full draw?
I have never laughed so hard watching a CZcams show…the writing for the humor rivals that of 70’s sitcoms…I can’t even remember all the laughs because it’s non stop 🤣🤣🤣❤️
It was impatience, they felt like the interest in comic films was at a high so they needed to capitalize. They were wrong. They could have still been putting out films right now, well not now, but they could have filled the gap left by marvels hiatus.
Justice League films could've followed behind The Avengers and could've actually put up decent competition but nope, they felt they had to play catch up with Marvel and rushed everything.
@@brainrich1358 They didn't even try. After Man Of Steel it took 3 years to get another movie.. The MCU released both Iron and the incredible hulk at same year!! In those years we could have gotten already a solo batman movie, a stand alone Flash and even an Aquaman already.
@@brainrich1358 I don't know. I think the characters are fundamentally worse than marvels. As Drinker says, their powers are not complementary so they don't work as a team.
Your comparison to how the Avengers’ fight made me realize why I enjoyed the fight scenes so much more than the Justice League’s. Keep it up! This one of my favorite channels.
13:16 "Wait, aren't these used for terraforming planets? How does that translate into building robot bodies for a human?" That's a variation of what went through my head while watching Black Panther. Oh, that guy is almost dead, rub some Vibranium on the wound. Oh, we need some explosives, toss some Vibranium down and watch it explode. Oh, let's make a shield that can absorb the kinetic energy of any attack, including Thor's hammer. Let's make it out of Vibranium. Oh, you need it to bounce off of walls and people so Captain America can pretend it is a boomerang from Zelda which would be impossible if it absorbs all the kinetic energy? Okay, we'll add a second coat of Vibranium.
If only the Justice League film followed the Justice League cartoon, as well as Justice League Unlimited. They are heartfelt, character-driven, and very mature. I cannot recommend them enough.
Ikr we needed that level of balanced tone for it's first live action interpretation, THEN go all out edgy. The dark stuff DC makes works because of how it contrasts with the original and that's what makes it good.
@@DavidNefelimSlayer Did you just called The Boys "mediocre"? I thought it was a fantastic show. Great acting, production, story, dialogue... Everything.
8:00 "humor! What's humor anyway? It makes as much sense as someone NOT CHOKING ME HARDER DURING BRUNCH!" -Ezra Miller part-time actor, full-sized bursting belly wart
In case anyone cares, Wonder Woman's home area (in name at least) actually existed in northern turkey, I was taking a look at greek history the other day and the works of homer and the trojan war, etc, and saw a map that said Amazons on it. Anatolia is present day Turkey, more or less. Themiscyra (/ˌθɛmɪˈskɪrə/; Greek: Θεμίσκυρα Themiskyra) was an ancient Greek town in northeastern Anatolia; it was situated on the southern coast of the Black Sea, near the mouth of the Thermodon, probably at or near modern Terme. According to Greek mythology, it was the capital city of the Amazons.
The fact Superman is meant to be optimistic and hopeful doesn't in any way contradict Snyder's intended direction. It was said multiple times that MoS isn't a take about Superman, it's about an alien with god-like powers, who seeks his purpose among humans. He is GOING TO transform into superman, but at that point his journey has barely begun, same for BvS.
Sometimes it's hard to believe that people are paid to write stuff like this. Stuff that falls apart if you ask even the simplest of logical questions. And Warner Brothers is as much to blame as much as the writers and directors for the mess that is the DCEU.
No. They aren’t paid much ,,. Google search the consecutive series of Writers’ Strikes in Hollywood ... the studio executives have been crushing the life out of the writers ... so this is the talentless hell that we intelligent audiences must endure.
@@smallstudiodesign No...what? People are indeed paid to write this. Just because people go on strike doesn't mean they are in the right; if anything, the number of movies with shit writing indicates they probably deserve a pay cut.
12:29 Greed, impatience, and panic, I'd agree, were factored into WB's decision to rush to JL, but also fear of being accused of ripping off the Marvel Method by angry viewers, who exist on Web comment sections (like here) and in their own minds. 15:51 They kidnapped Cyborg's dad, so that changed his mind.
No matter if Whedon’s version of JL was bad he still has about 6 critical acclaimed films on his name which is 5 more than what Zack Snyder has. If Whedon was just given the proper time and resources (and by resources I mean solo movies for all JL members) then I could definitely see him pulling it off really well.
Cow Commando Yeah I’ve noticed that about him too Plus her presence in bvs wasn’t that forced it was perfect for building the justice league, because it showed us the Trinity
@@herheartbeats5727 I don't believe he said that WW is a "bad movie" but he made a video where he basically shred it to pieces, and another saying that he's got a bad feeling about WW84. I think he's very suspicious of contemporary movies with female action heroes and he assumes they're always made with a feminist agenda
@@Archihuman Well maybe...I'm not in his own boots, so I wouldn't discuss that here (anyway, I think that the new Wonder Woman is way beyond everything Hollywood has produced after...)
“Why were people sad that Superman was dead when they hated Superman and were afraid of Superman and wanted Batman to kill Superman in the last movie? “Why would blowing up one building make everybody want to live like cave men?” “What were those flying bug alien things?” “Why is every movie Prometheus now? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy....”
1= what? 2= what? 3= parademons 4- what? im not defending the movie, its just a mcu popcorn movie which doesnt quite spoon feed you everything like marvel. but did you even watch the movies?
Because Justice League retcons Superman into a traditional hero that was beloved by the world after two films that emphasized how Superman was a lonely ubermensch that no one could possibly understand so he acted out of his own sense of morality, not for public or government approval.
As someone who's a big fan of the DC comics, this review hits me right in the heart. How they managed to ruin everything good about my favorite characters is beyond my understanding
In 1977 millions were inspired by a teenager who heroically blew-up a Death Star and saved the galaxy against all opposition, and yet films today containing multiple Superheros will fail to unify or inspire audiences through their meaningless demise. Did Disney forget who exactly makes the story great? I think not...
@Ultra Execs can always get bonuses, even if their megacorp is going belly up. Shareholders, that's another matter entirely. Remember what kindly Santa Schwab says: we need stakeholder, not shareholder, capitalism.
I feel you're pain! I feel like dc was trying to hard to compete with marvel. They should have just taken their time a build the dc universe slowly with each movie.....like marvel.
@@LaughingGeminiI dont think it was originally trying to be the mcu. I think it was only supposed to be a short collection of films that take place in a more realistic world like a short comic series. They then turned it into the mcu for some reason. Also they dont need to take their time telling a story, star wars was only 3 films and created some of the most influential characters of all time, I think to this day, star wars is still more influential than the mcu. I dont know why people think that you have to make solo movies for every character, in the comics a lot of the fan favourite characters dont even have their own comic line yet they are still loved and are a big thing. The mcu could only be 10 movies long and it would achieve the same thing, at most the solo movies are only there to say what the character got up to and a small credits scene somehow linking it into the rest of the mcu but you could just achieve that by putting that information into the films. Also how do we know that they arent going to make solo movies in the future, there already is a superman, aquaman, wonder woman, flash solo movie. The mcu took 10 years before they even made a black widow movie and hawkeye isnt even getting a movie, hes getting a show I believe. I know a lot of those films were after justice league but they dont have to do it beforehand, its completely fine introducing them in other films, the mcu does it all the time
In 2020 the UK court of civil law proved that Johnny Depp had physically and sexually abuses wife under the influence of drugs and alcohol on 12 of 14 occasions
My biggest complaint of this film is the total betrayal of batman ! Which they also did in bvs but they took it opposite direction in this film which showcased a completely lack of continuity of the character !
And "F" Tom Cruise for making him having to keep the damn mustache in the first place... Just like how he kept Dougray Scott from becoming Wolverine just so he can job to him in MI2.
Antonio Sonntag to be fair tho, in the movie Batman says that Superman’s body wouldn’t decay despite being dead, which is why he thinks they can bring him back, so a beard might have been the way to go. Superman has also had a goatee in the show so it doesn’t betray lore either.
Me: "I've watched _too_ many breakdowns of the failure of Justice League. No more." The Critical Drinker: *uploads* Also Me: "Ah shit, here we go again..."
If I'm not mistaken the parademons aren't distracted to the loud noise , they're drawn to it because the police siren sounds like the noises the motherboxes make. I know in the comics they're described as having a pinging sound so maybe that's what the screenwriters were trying to hint at with them being distracted by the siren.
"Jokes that land about as well as a rocket full of body positivity activists." *clip of failed rocket launch explosion* You nearly killed me with that one. XD
@@hagerty1952 Considering the payload capacity on that thing is like a kilo and a half, even _one_ body positivity activist, with no ECLSS or pressure vessel to keep them maybe alive if they reached space, would be enough to keep it from doing its job :P
@@MushVPeets - OK, just pick one part of one body-positivity activist :-) By the time it became operational, the Vanguard system was up to maybe 50 kg into LEO. You could probably get most of one up there for about a month or two.
Fun facts that may or may not be true: To keep up with ever changing times WB/DC is currently writing a new scene to be added to Aquaman 2. The planned scene will have Mera break into the Black Manta's cabin and take a dump on his bunk.
I'm so glad I've found you. You're a voice of reason in a wilderness that has none... the fact that you enjoy a bit of the distilled goodness as well, doesn't hurt!
You know, they have plenty of footage of Cavil. They should have just used the deep fake software to put his non-mustached face on his own face. The archers are in a terrible formation. They are all literally facing/aiming at each other. That’s a really, really bad tactic. You usually set up in a L formation so people don’t accidentally shoot each other instead of the enemy.
@@thisisfyne That is absolutely true. Post production to remove a moustache is actually pretty simple. It's difficult to make it look good but talented artists can do it. Begs the question, why are there more talented VFX artists on youtube than there are in actual studios ?
@@candyman9635 Humm.. there's definitely not more talented people here than in studios (especially if we're talking about the big ones like ILM, WETA, etc). Honestly, it all comes down to planning, budget, and schedule. In the case of Justice League, all those things were butchered time and time again, certainly leaving the VFX team in a bad spot to fix last minute reshoots. Additionally, realistic human faces is one of the hardest things to achieve in CGI, and animating a talking mouth flawlessly is no easy task either. It's doable.. with time and money.. which they didn't really have :S
@@candyman9635 They should have kept the mustache when he came back. Superman was supposed to be in a death-like coma so it would make sense he'd have facial hair still growing.
Warner Bro's & DC trying to do their superhero team up movie before giving each their own origin/introduction movie is like buying all the furniture and appliances before a house and being surprised nothing fucking fits.
Man Of Steel was still the right and honest version of how the world would react to Superman really appearing and what could happen. It’s the right story, just needed better telling.
Marvel’s childish ass movies are annoying. I don’t care how far off from the childish and unrealistic comics Zach Snyder’s version of Superman was. Yeah let’s have a movie where Superman holds the mantle of the earth together 🤦🏼♂️ Zach Snyder wasn’t the problem. It was WB trying to catch up with the MCU. Man of Steel was a good movie.
Alex Schneider I was just about to say this.. Go back to MoS and BvS comment section. There’s a reason they’re filled with praise. Doesn’t matter we’re getting the Snyder cut anyways lol
@@alexschneider8494 I never really understood the corporate tendency to follow the leader, why try to beat the tend setter at their own game when you could just corner your own niche? The DCEU could have been a counterpoint to the campy antics of the MCU by taking advantage of the proven success of the Dark Knight trilogy, which seems to be what Snyder was going for, yet he was crippled at every step by Warner Bros execs that wanted their own MCU without realizing that if they follow that trend they'd have to compete for the same audience against an already well established franchise, they basically ignored piles of money ripe for the taking because they wanted Disney's cash.
I don’t think that anyone watching this move realized the three burn marks represented the three mother boxes until you pointed it out. I watched this movie with the same interest I have when ordering fast food. I know it should be better but it makes you feel satisfied until your able to find something better. I hope the studios watch your reviews and take notes. Thankfully we now have the internet where independent reviewers such as yourself can give honest and informative reviews. I grew up with siskel and Ebert reviewing movies on tv, and literally all of the newspaper reviews were influenced by how much studios spent on advertising. Thank you for your honest reviews.
Hence why the big tech industries are slowly trying to shut out independent content. Even CZcams now has more views of mainstream content (like clips from The Tonight Show or Fox News) than little guys.
The sad thing is that it shouldn't have been hard to make a good Justice League film. The Justice League has many standalone cartoon movies, and two good cartoons already. Just take anything from those stories and put it on the big screen, and you're good to go. Also, I don't care what anyone says, Cyborg belongs in the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. He's better off getting replaced by the Green Lantern. And if they can't score Hal Jordan, they can go get John Stewart.
I am right with you on this! I love many the the early 2000s JL animated shows they had some great stories and such! The whole DC live action universe just became such a cluster fuck in the end and it should of been great! Also like you Cyborg should be in Titans not JL. Oh well till next time...
I swear, I am so glad this review exists... a 1/4 into the movie and I'm literally face palming... and when the movie ended, people actually cheered, I looked around and thought to myself, "did we watch the same movie?!" And I left the cinema even more depressed thinking "WTF is wrong with society... that people would actually like such garbage!"
Sometimes you have two types of choices in life: Either live for something or die by seeing Josstice League. Those who loved Josstice League, please, contact hannibal lecter for therapy, he will offer some fava beans with nice chianti, maybe even a side of grilled liver, maybe....yours.
In retrospect, it seems that Zach Snyder made Watchman as a sort of audition for more conventional blockbusters like this one. However, I liked Watchman as a kind of dark and gritty lampooning of superhero movies because I’m not a particular fan of comics or the source material of Watchman (so I never got the tears shed over a missing nuclear octopus). However, while that rated R, against the tide motif worked well for Watchman (and some will disagree), I don’t think Snyder has the right artistic vision to lead a cohesive DC universe. And, Nolan’s universe could only work for Batman, not really any hero with magical powers. Combine this with DC’s sudden need to play “catch up” with Marvel, and it left them in a bad place...it seems like they are doing better with one-off movies like Joker, and Nolan’s trilogy, which are separate, and it has the added bonus of forcing them to be more creative with each movie outing... The biggest legitimate complaint against Marvel is that they are SO blockbuster and “Disney” that it’s bound to be formulaic in its approach. And even with Disney, I suspect all good things come to an end...
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Love ur video ,btw have u spoken to a guy who goes by the name ..FILMENTO
Last of Us 2 Leaks, Drinker you objectively dashing yet seemingly ravenous contor!!!
Hey drinker, what are your thoughts on the movie Fury? Is it worth making a video about?
Great video bro but i did notice one point of contention, Amazonian women are stronger thn your ordinary human male by a fair amount, so we dont really know how long they can hold a bow back. We should get Chad on this though.
If and when Zack Snyder's Justice League is released, will you do a comparative review?
"Amber Heard shows up because we all know Amber's good at hitting things"
😂😂😂
An earlier comment was riffing on Ezra Miller. This is the one that got me to pause and laugh out loud.
Tbh if you kept catching your husband looking at gay porn you'd hit the guy
@@davidataturk4357 what are you talking about?
@@craigime He said he watches gay porn while his husband hits him. Leave David alone, this is a judgement free zone.
No Jonny Adrenochrome Depp gets caught watching gay porn, my wife hasn't caught me yet
Themyscira is Greek for "the Island of Crossfit lesbians"
Ricardo Guanipa Bhaaaaaaah! Thank you. 😐🙂😆😂🤣
😆😆😆
Ode to the kegels...
Pretty much
There's an island in Greece called Lesbos by the way...
"you'd think being isolated for thousands of years without any men, they'd be pleased by the prospect of vibrating objects"
This made my whole year.
Nice profile pic! I can tell you are a person of culture as well!
This is comedic gold right here, dwl
We need to consider the possibility that those women actually have a pines.
Hahahahahaha
you know what's sad? I see a comment with the same joke being posted a year before you. old comment or not, still sad
Just rewatched this and it came to mind that the way Batman is depicted in this movie makes a mockery out of him in more than one way. Not only is he basically just the bus driver, because he is facing enemies that are objectively more powerful than he is in combat, he is also made looking like an idiot.
Bruce Wayne/Batman is a strategical and tactical genius and he does not _need_ to be stronger than anyone else, because he _outsmarts_ everyone. There is a reason that the typical counter to the question _'Could Batman defeat X?'_ is _'Does he have preparation time?'._ Batman has outsmarted _gods_ and beings with powers on a cosmic scale. But in this movie, he is just the useless bus driver.
Snyder cut does a better job showing how he uses strategy and his technology to at least hold his own, as well as, having a way of thinking that brings rationale to the groups purpose (bringing back superman, etc). In Whedon version, he just makes jokes and looks cool.
@@bkimatab He's only talking about this film dude. The Snyder cut is pretty much a completely different movie, but it also doesn't help that bruce made some utterly stupid decisions in bvs too lol
The Batman/Superman Animated Series: World's Finest
... that is Batman and Superman.... 5 seconds after they meet.. Superman is on his knees in front of Batman........... same night... both know their secret identities.... and then you see a correct balance of power between both characters......... Bruce messing around with Lois Lane is another jewel from that doble episode.....
This continuous in..... Superman: The Animated Series: The Demon Reborn.....
and in Superman: The Animated Series: Knight Time ...... where Superman literally dresses up like Batman to kick Bane's ass ...... now that was he good stuff !!!....
Batman is by far my favorite comic book character ever. The way he's been portrayed since BvS though is basically a useless, weak rich guy that can't really help at all compared to demi-gods. Like you pointed out, he's more than capable of defeating about anyone, but he has a difficult time fighting some parademons. PARADEMONS! Talk about weakening a character.
@@Ramdileo_sysWorld's Finest was fantastic storytelling. And it was a cartoon for kids!
I also love that Supes figures out Bats identity by using his Xray vision uttering a shocked "Bruce Wayne?" to which Batman responds with "You peeked. That wasn't very Boyscout of you." And then later tricks Clark into answering the phone as 'Superman' and has him walk out on the balcony to 'zoom in' on Bats watching him from several blocks away with a high powered telescope and microphone and tell him "Gotcha back, Clark."
They figured out each other's identities in 2 different ways. Superman 'cheated' with Xray vision, but Batman outsmarted him into putting his guard down.
Classic Bats.
We live in a world where a Joker Solo Film made more money than A JUSTICE LEAGUE FILM!
We truly live in a society
Easily. Joker is more popular than JL. Everybody knows Joker.
And a solo Aquaman movie
yeah, a Joker movie that was nominated for multiple Oscars made more money than a Justice League movie that belongs at the bottom of the garbage can. Not surprising at all.
@@Harold075 Many know Justice league from the animated shows and movies. Joker worked because it's a self contained story. Zack Snyder is the Frank Miller of Hollywood, his vision contradicts the character but works well as it's own thing.
"Right now, I'm going slip into something a bit more comfortable. Like a f***ing coma."
Drinker, sometimes you are just too genius.
It's a Malcolm Tucker quote
@@thedoctorand Oh I had no idea. Thanks
Hilarious and had not idea it was a quote too. good catch. @thedoctorand
made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
I literally LOLd at this.
I think my favourite three words in your reviews are: "Why!?! Don't know!"
Mine ::F Off Film
Nah it'll be alright 👍 😆
It should be on his channels shirts and merch :)
Yes! I love the way he says “don’t know”
That’s why when I say the term, I try saying it like him😃
nah.
it'll be fine...!
“Is that like a personal attack or something?”
Once again, Brie, yes. Yes, it is.
😂😂😂
It's not like a personal attack. It IS a personal attack.
“ now you think being isolated in an island for thousand of years they will be pleased by vibrating objects, apparently not”.
I died at this part 😂😂😂
At that point, not even a chainsword would fulfill the task....
I O menopause
I just reach for the comment to see this
@@zerohasnovalue1681 lol
@@Mat0m Same Stay powerful my Shinobi
"Given control of the Titanic 10 seconds before hitting the iceberg."
Solid metaphor.
Exactly. Snyder fanboys think that it was all Whedon's fault. Directors are suppose to have months if not a year or more prep time for this type of movie. Getting dropped in when it already started is just a recipe for disaster. Also, how is Steppenwolf Whedon's fault? Or the lack of setup for Flash, Aquaman or Cyborg?
With 10 seconds, Cpt. Smith could have ordered a hard to starboard. Hit the berg head on. It would have crushed the bow and probably rendered the ship a total financial loss. But it wouldn't have opened up enough watertight compartments to cause the ship to sink.
@@phluphie oh, I know that. Deciding to turn is what sank the ship. Anybody who watched a documentary on Titanic knows that. However, that is only common knowledge through retrospect and analysis of what happened...and...how does that metaphorically translate into how to handle finishing the making of a movie with 5 major, cinematically, un-established characters and a lot of overhead and no direction for the franchise?
@@phluphie Thanks, Captain Hindsight.
it's a simile but yeah
The archers' deployment is basically a 360 degree friendly fire suicide arrangement.
The Amazons had millennia to prepare for Steppenwolf's return and the best plan they could come up with is stand around it in a circle.
You would think at the very least the Green Lanterns would have set an alarm system that calls them when someone takes the motherbox.
9:28 - "He's whiny, and hyperactive, and most of his reactions are completely inappropriate to what's goin' on."
So, he's a physical incarnation of twitter?
9:36 - “he also never shuts the FUCK up...”
Yes he is.
Hungry Boy yep
Pretty much
*reddit
Yep, the left.
"I mean what is brunch..."
FFS that's like a child's first attempt at standup in front of aunts and uncles.
This comment is gold.😂👌
@@dadeleemurphy85 small hat nepotism.
That was the worst line to me, so glad they removed it from the Snyder Cut.
What's the deeeeeeeeaaal with brunch?
True but the way in which CD hated on it was bougie as fuck.
I knew the Whedon theatrical release was in trouble when all the advertising was built around the catchphrase "Unite the Seven" and there were only six of them.
You got me dying laughing 😂
That Flash character was easily one of the most annoying characters I've seen in a super hero movie. He may have been the MOST annoying.
At first I thought he was kinda funny, but after a short while I thought it was getting old pretty fast. I mean, I get it: he's fast and hyperactive but he ended up being pretty irritating.
If you watch the Zack Snyder cut, you get that Joss Whedon was evil all along and wanted to sabotage the DCEU. I mean, he disrespected the stablished cannon and went out of his way to fuck with it some more. Just think about Lois Lane, from a "Thirsty hoe" to "To a grieving widow". I'll give the dude a thumbs up for coming up with Buffy but that's it.
@@nitramdh That would be surprising since he wanted a shot at directing a Batgirl movie. Also I'd put the blame on the executives that went into panic mode instead of delaying the movie a bit. Heck, I even heard that the tragedy that befell Snyder was just an excuse to fire him and bring in a director who would lighten the tone of the movie and cut everything to the maximum because they didn't want a four hours flick.
With that said, Joss Whedon did an awful job. But with most of the movie already filmed I can't see what else he could do...
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Reminds me of Tom Holland’s spider man, but he never had a lot of lines so it didn’t feel annoying, a lot of characters shut him up so that wouldn’t, he was never to loud and when he was it didn’t last while, he generally had fun jokes and pop culture references but you could also see him struggling and he wasn’t all happy like that.
The anti-mustache CGI foreshadows how the rest of the movie is going to go.
UziNineMillomeetah can I get it in a 40 watt range?
"sexualized amazon costumes?" no one tell them that what amazons wore in mythology.
nothing.nude.
@@brycesolomon9933 hmmmmm
Hahaha
Amazonians are literally just roman fetish porn for one-breasted beefy women.
Amazon Warriors: Lets stand in a big circle and point arrows at each other. What could go wrong?
I guess it's convenient that the Amazons stored their Mother Box in a vault with a big Steppenwolf sized hole for him to enter through.
Sounds like a circle jerk.
Friendly fire be damed.
Nah, it would be fine
Yeah the whole scene was lacking in intelligence. Even collapsing the tunnel was s7upid. They had an eon to prepare and their plan was to needlessly sacrifice lives? The Mayans & Egyptians were able to mystify Indiana Jones. Their traps work long after they were gone. So are the Amazons just s7upid?
"Why is there some dork dressed as a flag?" I lost it. ☠️😂😂
That Amber joke is landing particularly nicely at the moment :D
I love how Cyborg uses a blackout for secrecy! The first thing anybody does during a blackout is LOOK OUT A WINDOW to see if anybody else has lost power as well!
To answer the question: it was panic. They saw Marvel raking in buckets of cash and thought "holy shit, how do we hop on this gravy train?" Thinking the answer was "make a superhero movie!" they managed to overlook the fact that Marvel spent *years* building their franchise. Wasn't Iron Man from 2008? It was nearly 5 years of world-building before all the heroes were in the same film. DC realized they were late to the party and while there was an equally long gap between Man of Steel and Justice League, it's pretty clear those films were not meant to be connected in any meaningful way like Iron Man and The Avengers were. Everything after Man of Steel is just an effort to jam as much as possible into as little time as possible to catch up to Marvel. As pointed out in the video here - the end result is a complete mess. The Marvel cinematic universe, for all the flaws it has, is exceptional for the fact that a studio was convinced to play the long game - and holy crap did it ever pay off.
15:06
I love how this guy The Drinker was making amber heard jokes before it was relevant 🤣 #JusticeForJohnny
“You’d think after being isolated on an island for thousands of years, without any men, they’d be excited at the prospect of a vibrating object. But apparently not...”. Just brilliant! lol
Its everything that people feared The Avengers was going to be
Lol so true
That is an excellent point.
Yeah but there was an entire build up to the movie. JL was just a standalone movie hence why it sucked.
Hardly. The hype and positive expectation for The Avengers was off the scale, and in no small part due to it being set up nicely by 5 previous MCU movies. I don't recall anyone fearing that film to be a flop.
@giftofgab247 The 2008 Hulk film was cannon, at the end of that one Tony shows up iirc. And Banner references the film when he said "Last time I was in New York, I broken Harlem"
" im gonna slip into something more comfortable like a coma " quality Drinker quote of the day !😄
I'm going to be stealing that one!
I’m going to deploy it next time I’m getting shouted at
patter theft from malcolm tucker
Ezra “Choke Me Harder” Miller 😭😭😭😭 I laughed way too hard at that😅😅😅
The flash is my favorite superhero, and even i found that hilarious
When Brie Larson asked, "Is that, like, a personal attack, or somethin'?", you should have said: "YES!"
The Drinker acknowledges that a movie can be bad even without progressive themes and forced diversity
well yea he said Rambo: Last Blood sucked
I don't think he ever claimed otherwise
I think that's the only thing that could have made this movie more of a failure.
Justice League hit post production before the era.
That's the whole reason for wokeness in movies -- to excuse the creators' incompetence.
Ezra “Choke Me Harder” Miller
I cried laughing 😂
Ezra "Harder Daddy' Miller😂🤣🤣🤣
He probably thought he was choking "hetero-normatility." Because that sheet is evil!
@@Leodog92 it's actually Ezra "Harder Ma'am" Miller thank you very much
Andrey K. I don’t get this joke. Help me out?
@@cmcg3738 Miller recently got in trouble for choking a fan
Honestly “Man of Steel” wasn’t terrible. It was a decent stab at the DCU, with a good story but poor execution. Honestly Kevin Costner and Michael Shannon carried that movie. However, that being said Henry Cavill is a competent actor and could’ve been used in a better capacity. Justice league was just an unmitigated dumpster fire of dead babies.
BS. Are you referring to the Synder Cut? If so, your take is cynical trash
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt totally not even the same movie. And yes, the snyder cut for its gargantuan run time is still superior technically to the original cut. Lighting, saturation, atmosphere, etc, are all better in the snyder cut. Even the story makes more sense because it’s fleshed out. That’s not to say that the original cut has no merit, it’s to say that one is objectively superior in terms of story and effects. I’m not interested in opinions of people who can’t be objective.
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt why would he be referring to the Snyder cut? This is a video about the whedon cut lmao
@@frde2190 and the comment was made before the snydercut released
I agree, perhaps because I am a Cavill fan. He did a great job with his Superman and to the contrary it brought hope and justice and the American way, something lacking in movies now.
"why is there a dork dressed like a flag?" LOL, pause video, finish laughing, resume video.
It takes a whole movie to explain that, for sure. And that's why I consider the first captain america movie to be one of MCU's best.
Dudeface lmao
Pretty stupid costume, isn't it? Good thing the character is bad-ass.
@@diersteinjulien6773 Totally agree, the first Cap movie is great. Kudos to the hilarious line from Critical Drinker.. :-)
"A. Whose in the room wearing a spankling outfit and B. Not of use?" 😂🤣🤣🤣
"Why is there a dork dressed like a flag?"
The Critical Drinker, 2020
"How is this flag-wearing dork kicking my ass sideways to next Thursday? DON'T KNOW."
Also Critical Drinker, seconds from now
@@commandercaptain4664
"Maybe I shouldn't have made fun of this flag-wearing dork? NAH, IT'LL BE FINE."
Wait until you get a load of Homelander, like a cross of Captain America and Superman.
The MCU phase one worked because nearly each hero had their own story and were developed characters, we had iron man, hulk, captain America, thor and iron man 2. Each one introduces a new character who'll be part of the team, except thor which introduced thor and hawkeye. The title characters had their own backstories and character development, either obtaining power or in thors case, how to wield it righteously. Only once the main team and the two spies were introduced we had a big get together film and were invested in the characters, with loki being a returning villain with the power of an alien army and a mind controlling sceptre with him. Stakes are there. Before they had dealt with fairly localised threats, thor dealt with loki, iron man dealt with iron monger and whiplash and captain America who had the biggest threat dealt with hydra and the red skull in ww2, this was the first world threatening event because ww2 and a super soldier with an infinity stone were the threats
Now, the way the DCEU goes as follows, ahem. "*HERE'S SUPERMAN BUT OH NO KRYPTONIANS ARE HERE TO DESTROY THE EARTH KABOOM HE WON BUT DESTROYED A CITY IN THE PROCESS. UH OH BATMAN DOESN'T LIKE HIM THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT AND YAY BATMAN WON BUT DOOMSDAY IS GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH. NA NA NA NA NANANA NA NA WONDER WOMAN IS HERE AND SHE HELPS SAVE THE DAY BUT OH SUPERMAN DIED DESTROYING DOOMSDAY :( ANYWAY WONDER WOMAN IS HERE DURING WAR TIME AND OH MY GOD A GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH. MIND-BLOWING! SO WONDER WOMAN KILLS HIM WITH HER LOVE BEAM. TEAM UP TIME! WE NOW HAVE FLASH AND CYBORG AND WET MAN. THEIR THREAT MUST BE HUGE AND IT'S ANOTHER ALIEN BUT ALSO ANOTHER GOD, STEPPENWOLF, HE WANTS TO DESTROY THE EARTH. PLOT TWIST! THEY AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH SO THEY RESURRECT SUPERMAN AND HE 1V1S STEPPENWOLF AND WINS THE DAY. CONSISTENCY!*"
"Don't touch Mother!" - Steppenwolf.
Dont care what anyone says...greatest moment in Cinema history.
"Miles Bennett Dyson..." that was hilarious 🤣🤣
"Now, you'd think after being isolated on an island for thousands of years without any men, they'd be pleased by the prospect of vibrating objects."
I always figured that vibrating objects were their main industry on Themiscyra.
That was the quote of part 1 for me. I laughed for 20 minutes.
I was pretty sure they compensate not getting laid with their rigorous militarism.
Nah, they're just bean farmers
Yeah. That and building Kathleen Kennedy statues.
@@anarchitron8332 fucking lmao MY SIDES ARE SPLITTING! Bean flicking farmers!
When a talking raccoon and a purple gloved alien are more iconic and memorable than the JUSTICE LEAGUE
even worse they got surpassed by Thor stand alone movie!I grew up on JL and damn DC messed up after Nolans exit!
@@bernhardtsen74 nothing can be worse than Mandarin,nothing.
UnknownGoji1207 Wouldn’t say more iconic, but more popular. Still even in that regard, is pretty sad to think about.
@@darkwolf1202 that had the infinity stones light, I mean his rings!they were supposed to be magical of some sorts!then it was just an actor who got wasted and thought it was a movie set!
Cure4Living - there’s no maybe about it. Batman and Superman are definitely far more iconic than Rocket Raccoon and Thanos. It’s not even close. Spider-Man, Superman and Batman would probably be the most iconic superheroes ever.
The rooftop scene is a perfect metaphor for this movie. Not only is Batman waisting his time on a non-violent burglar, he almost certainly destroyed the home of the person the burglar just robbed but flooding the place with a water tank. Getting robbed sucks, but it’s gotta be preferable to having thousands of gallons of water flood your building.
But, fuck the structure, save the trinkets.
I'm glad Zack Snyder's version is coming out. He said the characters have more backstory. And it's 4 hours long.
Still may be edgy, but at least it will be interesting to see.
Even then without a film to each member like mcu style it's fricking useless
@@inigobantok1579 how?
@@alphareturns5988 Useless was an exaggeration, but limited in quality is how I'd describe it. Anyway I can't say his version was any better. Plenty of stuff I'd have changed, character and ruleset wise
Let's not forget that out of all of the Avengers by the time AA came around, only 3 of the 6 characters on the team had movies that informed their decisions and motivations. Natasha and Barton's story is littered with small details and inferences throught the series, they're not really the focus of the movies but they have plenty of character and charisma.
In ZS JL Cyborg doesn't need his own movie and neither does Flash, they could have had their characters and origins handled eloquently if the pacing of the movie was handled well enough. We don't need to see the lightning hit Barry to understand what happened, that scene with Cyborg digging up Superman is enough if you give them enough dialogue to explain stuff. These two people know each other just about as well as a newcomer audience member would, so this would be a perfect opportunity to explain some stuff to the audience and to have the characters relate to each other over something.
Having more movies for each character would be good for something like setting up Darkseid's threat. The intro scene with Batman traversing the tundra with that shot of the landscape and that awesome soundtrack gives me an impression of an encroaching evil and a few people's desperation to understand and prepare for it. The problem is that there's no setup for Darkseid's threat other than the ending of this film. If I could change the entire series at this point, I'd make it so that Krypton was destroyed by Darkseid and his motherboxes, we wouldn't see that happen, but we could here Zod say something about wanting to terraform Earth to be a breeding ground for Kryptonians because Earth has no Kryptonite, meaning that Kryptonians are well, like Superman and that amount of strength is their best chance at stopping Darkseid and since Humans don't have that power, they are a waste of space and resources in Zod's eyes, he understands that with Darkseid and the whole multiverse at stake there can be no cut corners. This makes his willingness to exterminate an entire species a bit more believable. Also, don't have Superman say "Krypton had it's chance" before murdering hundreds of unborn children.
I'll never get tired of listening to people ripping apart this absolute mess of a movie
If DC hadn’t rushed things and built up their universe similarly to Marvel, they could have had an amazing cinematic universe like their animated films.
Rogue Fox the irony here is the DCAU perfectly built it’s way up to the justice league animated series through the BTAS and Superman series before it.
Not really. WB initially didn’t want want Marvel had. Snyder’s 5 movie se was fine. A stand-alone JL trilogy followed by spin offs. They would’ve been bette off with Snyder.
Adonis Gonzalez but that’s a cartoon. Wally and WW had no shows. Even green lan te run had nothing
@@emanuel6693 Yeah, Snyder's vision sounded dope but it doesn't work when you call it the main continuity. It's a case of right man, wrong time.
To be honest I think dc should have done the reverse. Do a justice league movie then give each character a movie after. I mean honestly these characters are so iconic that we don't really need much of an introduction to them similar to how marvel treated spider-man.
The sneyder cuts throws so much light on this movie, wb really almost killed DC universe, i bet batman v superman was bad because of the same reasons
The hilarious disaster of Superman’s face was worth it for Cavills ManStach in MI Fallout.
The critical drinker is the new and improved “cinesins”
@Yeah Right still posting weekly actually... I think they’ve just done like every movie in existence and are running out of content. The final stages of a once great pages demise:(
Instead of cinema sins
He will use don't know count
@Burn Loot Murder Plenty wrong with that.
But I used to love cinemasins, but they held personal politics as more important than the dissection of problems with a film and its production to the point that it felt to me like a different version of people who defend captain marvel and the new star wars movies.
@@ReddFoxx1562 politics? In which video?
@@thebloocat Personal politics, such as his opinions on this or that which were things relevant to the subject matter of movie but I just found unwelcome.
10:50 Ahh Drinker you magnificent alcoholic, as an archer I'm glad that someone finally called out movies on treating bows as something that you just point like a gun instead of what it really is - brute forcing a massive stick into bending when it doesn't want to.
Even despite the fact that holding a longbow drawn would be insane even after half a minute, let's not even think what that would do the bowstring. Uurgh.
Most fantasy and historical films make this mistake, when 5 minutes on CZcams could have put them on the right track. Why do they keep doing it? Don't know!
I do feel compelled to point out that Amazons are superhumanly strong and probably easily capable of holding a bow at full draw for quite a while. The bow itself is likely to be the point of failure as the constant tension damages the materials.
@@peterbrazukas7771 Why would Amazons limit their firepower by using bows of such a relatively light poundage that they are able to hold them effortlessly at full draw?
I have never laughed so hard watching a CZcams show…the writing for the humor rivals that of 70’s sitcoms…I can’t even remember all the laughs because it’s non stop 🤣🤣🤣❤️
I thought Steppenwolf tried to conquer Earth with kick ass rock songs
"Ezra 'Choke me Harder' Miller" 😂😂😂 fookin hell, mate lololol
I know i died!
@Cure4Living he's gay?
@@TheDJMysterE yes
@@sexistspaghettios lol that somehow makes it funnier.
@@TheDJMysterE indeed
It was impatience, they felt like the interest in comic films was at a high so they needed to capitalize. They were wrong. They could have still been putting out films right now, well not now, but they could have filled the gap left by marvels hiatus.
So basically greed and stupidity
They should’ve stuck with Snyder
Justice League films could've followed behind The Avengers and could've actually put up decent competition but nope, they felt they had to play catch up with Marvel and rushed everything.
@@brainrich1358 They didn't even try.
After Man Of Steel it took 3 years to get another movie.. The MCU released both Iron and the incredible hulk at same year!!
In those years we could have gotten already a solo batman movie, a stand alone Flash and even an Aquaman already.
@@brainrich1358 I don't know. I think the characters are fundamentally worse than marvels. As Drinker says, their powers are not complementary so they don't work as a team.
Your comparison to how the Avengers’ fight made me realize why I enjoyed the fight scenes so much more than the Justice League’s. Keep it up! This one of my favorite channels.
13:16 "Wait, aren't these used for terraforming planets? How does that translate into building robot bodies for a human?"
That's a variation of what went through my head while watching Black Panther. Oh, that guy is almost dead, rub some Vibranium on the wound. Oh, we need some explosives, toss some Vibranium down and watch it explode. Oh, let's make a shield that can absorb the kinetic energy of any attack, including Thor's hammer. Let's make it out of Vibranium. Oh, you need it to bounce off of walls and people so Captain America can pretend it is a boomerang from Zelda which would be impossible if it absorbs all the kinetic energy? Okay, we'll add a second coat of Vibranium.
It's like "These things are for killing people? How does that translate into spreading butter onto bread?"
If only the Justice League film followed the Justice League cartoon, as well as Justice League Unlimited. They are heartfelt, character-driven, and very mature. I cannot recommend them enough.
Ikr we needed that level of balanced tone for it's first live action interpretation, THEN go all out edgy. The dark stuff DC makes works because of how it contrasts with the original and that's what makes it good.
Hell, I'll just rewatch the whole series instead. XD
DCEU copied everything except their own materials, bunch of dorks
The plastic tips at the end of shoelaces are called 'aglets'. Their true purpose is sinister.
@@ArlanKels
I love that take on the Question so much.
>when The Boys makes a better Justice League than DC
Not DC. It's WB. DC can't even even sit on the toilet without WB saying so.
When mediocre becomes great by comparison.
@@DavidNefelimSlayer Did you just called The Boys "mediocre"? I thought it was a fantastic show. Great acting, production, story, dialogue... Everything.
Even funnier if you consider that the Boys is based on a comic that does a satire of the superhero trope.
Are the boys from dc to ?
8:00 "humor! What's humor anyway? It makes as much sense as someone NOT CHOKING ME HARDER DURING BRUNCH!" -Ezra Miller part-time actor, full-sized bursting belly wart
In case anyone cares, Wonder Woman's home area (in name at least) actually existed in northern turkey, I was taking a look at greek history the other day and the works of homer and the trojan war, etc, and saw a map that said Amazons on it. Anatolia is present day Turkey, more or less.
Themiscyra (/ˌθɛmɪˈskɪrə/; Greek: Θεμίσκυρα Themiskyra) was an ancient Greek town in northeastern Anatolia; it was situated on the southern coast of the Black Sea, near the mouth of the Thermodon, probably at or near modern Terme.
According to Greek mythology, it was the capital city of the Amazons.
I lost it at "vibrating objects". You, sir, are a master, and have just won yourself a new patron:).
Ezra Miller was painfully unfunny in this movie. Literally every OG Avengers member was funnier and more likable without even trying.
Perun Plague tonys robot from the first film that extinguished him was funnier than him
Vibe at least the extinguishbot was just trying to help. Ezra was just... well let’s face it, he choked.
The worst part was that they tried to make Batman the comic relief! BATMAN! WTF!?
They tried to turn Barry Allen into Peter Parker. It failed.
super cringe.
The fact Superman is meant to be optimistic and hopeful doesn't in any way contradict Snyder's intended direction. It was said multiple times that MoS isn't a take about Superman, it's about an alien with god-like powers, who seeks his purpose among humans. He is GOING TO transform into superman, but at that point his journey has barely begun, same for BvS.
3:15 Technicaly, he isnt a human. Got u on that one lol.
Sometimes it's hard to believe that people are paid to write stuff like this. Stuff that falls apart if you ask even the simplest of logical questions. And Warner Brothers is as much to blame as much as the writers and directors for the mess that is the DCEU.
No. They aren’t paid much ,,. Google search the consecutive series of Writers’ Strikes in Hollywood ... the studio executives have been crushing the life out of the writers ... so this is the talentless hell that we intelligent audiences must endure.
@@smallstudiodesign No...what? People are indeed paid to write this. Just because people go on strike doesn't mean they are in the right; if anything, the number of movies with shit writing indicates they probably deserve a pay cut.
"Seeing him deconstructed like this, was like seeing Mr. Rogers at an S&M party." (Cue up the spewing out of the drink I was consuming at the time.)
The Motherbox thing on the wall made me wonder what Nurgle was doing in a DC movie when I first saw it.
12:29 Greed, impatience, and panic, I'd agree, were factored into WB's decision to rush to JL, but also fear of being accused of ripping off the Marvel Method by angry viewers, who exist on Web comment sections (like here) and in their own minds.
15:51 They kidnapped Cyborg's dad, so that changed his mind.
The Flash choked a girl, Mera cut off Johnny Depp's finger, and Affleck inspired more Joker than Batman.
Hey, at least Wonder Woman sang I Imagine. That’s supposed to count for something, right? RIGHT?!
Whatta cock-up of epic proportions. Henry Cavill not shaving his stache to punk the production is probably the best thing to come of the mess.
Wait, what's that last one ? I have no idea about that.
@@viscountrainbows6452 He was under contract for Mission Impossible Fallout at the time. Which was much better than this mess.
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 Try watching the video you're commenting on to find out?
"Right now, I'm gonna slip into something a bit more comfortable ... like a f***ing coma"
This is one of my favorite sentences ever.
No matter if Whedon’s version of JL was bad he still has about 6 critical acclaimed films on his name which is 5 more than what Zack Snyder has. If Whedon was just given the proper time and resources (and by resources I mean solo movies for all JL members) then I could definitely see him pulling it off really well.
He messed up Batman.
"... forced Wonder Woman into a story where her presence felt about as natural as a Tumblr user in a salad bar".
How NOT to love this guy?
The Critical Drinker hates anything with a female lead, Wonder Woman is actually a very good film
Cow Commando Yeah I’ve noticed that about him too Plus her presence in bvs wasn’t that forced it was perfect for building the justice league, because it showed us the Trinity
@@Archihuman Did CD actually say that "Wonder Woman" was a bad movie itself ? (pure curiosity)
@@herheartbeats5727 I don't believe he said that WW is a "bad movie" but he made a video where he basically shred it to pieces, and another saying that he's got a bad feeling about WW84. I think he's very suspicious of contemporary movies with female action heroes and he assumes they're always made with a feminist agenda
@@Archihuman Well maybe...I'm not in his own boots, so I wouldn't discuss that here (anyway, I think that the new Wonder Woman is way beyond everything Hollywood has produced after...)
“Why were people sad that Superman was dead when they hated Superman and were afraid of Superman and wanted Batman to kill Superman in the last movie?
“Why would blowing up one building make everybody want to live like cave men?”
“What were those flying bug alien things?”
“Why is every movie Prometheus now? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy....”
DOHN'T KNOHW!!
God, I hate movies today!
1= what?
2= what?
3= parademons
4- what?
im not defending the movie, its just a mcu popcorn movie which doesnt quite spoon feed you everything like marvel. but did you even watch the movies?
*_Fuck off, film!_*
Because Justice League retcons Superman into a traditional hero that was beloved by the world after two films that emphasized how Superman was a lonely ubermensch that no one could possibly understand so he acted out of his own sense of morality, not for public or government approval.
To be fair, the "Oh. They all just disappeared. That was rude," gag in the trailer had me in tears.
One thing I do like about Weadon's cut is that Mr. Cavil got to be actual Superman, if only for a few seconds.
Ikr. Too bad the personality shift kinda came out of nowhere tho
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"A 300 million dollar Hail Mary", seems to be a lot of those coming out of Hollywood as of late.
As someone who's a big fan of the DC comics, this review hits me right in the heart. How they managed to ruin everything good about my favorite characters is beyond my understanding
In 1977 millions were inspired by a teenager who heroically blew-up a Death Star and saved the galaxy against all opposition, and yet films today containing multiple Superheros will fail to unify or inspire audiences through their meaningless demise. Did Disney forget who exactly makes the story great? I think not...
Ben Afflack as Batman for starters
@Ultra Execs can always get bonuses, even if their megacorp is going belly up. Shareholders, that's another matter entirely. Remember what kindly Santa Schwab says: we need stakeholder, not shareholder, capitalism.
I feel you're pain! I feel like dc was trying to hard to compete with marvel. They should have just taken their time a build the dc universe slowly with each movie.....like marvel.
@@LaughingGeminiI dont think it was originally trying to be the mcu. I think it was only supposed to be a short collection of films that take place in a more realistic world like a short comic series. They then turned it into the mcu for some reason.
Also they dont need to take their time telling a story, star wars was only 3 films and created some of the most influential characters of all time, I think to this day, star wars is still more influential than the mcu. I dont know why people think that you have to make solo movies for every character, in the comics a lot of the fan favourite characters dont even have their own comic line yet they are still loved and are a big thing. The mcu could only be 10 movies long and it would achieve the same thing, at most the solo movies are only there to say what the character got up to and a small credits scene somehow linking it into the rest of the mcu but you could just achieve that by putting that information into the films.
Also how do we know that they arent going to make solo movies in the future, there already is a superman, aquaman, wonder woman, flash solo movie. The mcu took 10 years before they even made a black widow movie and hawkeye isnt even getting a movie, hes getting a show I believe. I know a lot of those films were after justice league but they dont have to do it beforehand, its completely fine introducing them in other films, the mcu does it all the time
Amber Heard jokes definitely aged well...
In 2020 the UK court of civil law proved that Johnny Depp had physically and sexually abuses wife under the influence of drugs and alcohol on 12 of 14 occasions
My biggest complaint of this film is the total betrayal of batman ! Which they also did in bvs but they took it opposite direction in this film which showcased a completely lack of continuity of the character !
The whole mustache issue could've been resolved by simply adding a beard to it, no cgi. He was just resurrected so why not?
“He was just resurrected” Corpses don’t grow facial hair.
@@Aredel he's Kryptonian.. They could've ran with that.
And "F" Tom Cruise for making him having to keep the damn mustache in the first place... Just like how he kept Dougray Scott from becoming Wolverine just so he can job to him in MI2.
Antonio Sonntag to be fair tho, in the movie Batman says that Superman’s body wouldn’t decay despite being dead, which is why he thinks they can bring him back, so a beard might have been the way to go. Superman has also had a goatee in the show so it doesn’t betray lore either.
Antonio Sonntag dead Superman in the comics managed to grow a whole mullet.
Me: "I've watched _too_ many breakdowns of the failure of Justice League. No more."
The Critical Drinker: *uploads*
Also Me: "Ah shit, here we go again..."
What about the Droid attack on the Wookies?
I will never have enough of them
"Na, it'll be fine."
Dishonored Wolf did it first, but you have to really dig to find him.
@@GhostLink92 Yoda: Nah, it'll be fine...
If I'm not mistaken the parademons aren't distracted to the loud noise , they're drawn to it because the police siren sounds like the noises the motherboxes make. I know in the comics they're described as having a pinging sound so maybe that's what the screenwriters were trying to hint at with them being distracted by the siren.
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I LOL'd so much when you said Ezra "Choke Me Harder" Miller.
"Jokes that land about as well as a rocket full of body positivity activists." *clip of failed rocket launch explosion*
You nearly killed me with that one. XD
Yep, Vanguard TV-3, December 6, 1957.
@@hagerty1952 Considering the payload capacity on that thing is like a kilo and a half, even _one_ body positivity activist, with no ECLSS or pressure vessel to keep them maybe alive if they reached space, would be enough to keep it from doing its job :P
@@MushVPeets - OK, just pick one part of one body-positivity activist :-)
By the time it became operational, the Vanguard system was up to maybe 50 kg into LEO. You could probably get most of one up there for about a month or two.
Fun facts that may or may not be true:
To keep up with ever changing times WB/DC is currently writing a new scene to be added to Aquaman 2.
The planned scene will have Mera break into the Black Manta's cabin and take a dump on his bunk.
I'm so glad I've found you. You're a voice of reason in a wilderness that has none... the fact that you enjoy a bit of the distilled goodness as well, doesn't hurt!
"We know Amber Herd is good at hitting things" LMFAO
this aged well
You know, they have plenty of footage of Cavil. They should have just used the deep fake software to put his non-mustached face on his own face.
The archers are in a terrible formation. They are all literally facing/aiming at each other. That’s a really, really bad tactic. You usually set up in a L formation so people don’t accidentally shoot each other instead of the enemy.
Sounds like a good idea until you realize that studios need out output their movies in 4K HDR. Deep fakes are far from being there technologically.
@@thisisfyne That is absolutely true.
Post production to remove a moustache is actually pretty simple. It's difficult to make it look good but talented artists can do it.
Begs the question, why are there more talented VFX artists on youtube than there are in actual studios ?
@@candyman9635 Humm.. there's definitely not more talented people here than in studios (especially if we're talking about the big ones like ILM, WETA, etc). Honestly, it all comes down to planning, budget, and schedule. In the case of Justice League, all those things were butchered time and time again, certainly leaving the VFX team in a bad spot to fix last minute reshoots. Additionally, realistic human faces is one of the hardest things to achieve in CGI, and animating a talking mouth flawlessly is no easy task either. It's doable.. with time and money.. which they didn't really have :S
@@candyman9635 They should have kept the mustache when he came back. Superman was supposed to be in a death-like coma so it would make sense he'd have facial hair still growing.
@@MrDevious88 Exactly. In Man of Steel he was sprouting a full beard, so we know Superman does have facial hair in this universe.
6 minutes in I knew exactly why I sought out a drunken movie reviewer; thank you for not disappointing me, unlike the film you so admirably dissected.
Warner Bro's & DC trying to do their superhero team up movie before giving each their own origin/introduction movie is like buying all the furniture and appliances before a house and being surprised nothing fucking fits.
Man Of Steel was still the right and honest version of how the world would react to Superman really appearing and what could happen. It’s the right story, just needed better telling.
And less shaky camera
It's like one of the best superhero movies of the last decade.
@@TheFourthWinchester One of the best solo superhero movies out there
I don't particularly love that movie but I thought it was the best of the trilogy. By far.
@@marko-gj1uj And less quick zooms
"How should we set up this new Superman movie?" "Let's just make it two hours of brooding"
Marvel’s childish ass movies are annoying. I don’t care how far off from the childish and unrealistic comics Zach Snyder’s version of Superman was. Yeah let’s have a movie where Superman holds the mantle of the earth together 🤦🏼♂️ Zach Snyder wasn’t the problem. It was WB trying to catch up with the MCU. Man of Steel was a good movie.
Alex Schneider I was just about to say this.. Go back to MoS and BvS comment section. There’s a reason they’re filled with praise. Doesn’t matter we’re getting the Snyder cut anyways lol
@@alexschneider8494 I never really understood the corporate tendency to follow the leader, why try to beat the tend setter at their own game when you could just corner your own niche? The DCEU could have been a counterpoint to the campy antics of the MCU by taking advantage of the proven success of the Dark Knight trilogy, which seems to be what Snyder was going for, yet he was crippled at every step by Warner Bros execs that wanted their own MCU without realizing that if they follow that trend they'd have to compete for the same audience against an already well established franchise, they basically ignored piles of money ripe for the taking because they wanted Disney's cash.
man of steel was a good movie idgaf
@@wxlfie3821 sorry I can't hear it when people with crappy movie taste talk 😂🤣
I love the Buffy reference. Still waiting for The Drinker Recommends: Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Seasons 2-7 of course)
PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
I don’t think that anyone watching this move realized the three burn marks represented the three mother boxes until you pointed it out. I watched this movie with the same interest I have when ordering fast food. I know it should be better but it makes you feel satisfied until your able to find something better. I hope the studios watch your reviews and take notes. Thankfully we now have the internet where independent reviewers such as yourself can give honest and informative reviews. I grew up with siskel and Ebert reviewing movies on tv, and literally all of the newspaper reviews were influenced by how much studios spent on advertising. Thank you for your honest reviews.
Hence why the big tech industries are slowly trying to shut out independent content. Even CZcams now has more views of mainstream content (like clips from The Tonight Show or Fox News) than little guys.
The sad thing is that it shouldn't have been hard to make a good Justice League film. The Justice League has many standalone cartoon movies, and two good cartoons already. Just take anything from those stories and put it on the big screen, and you're good to go. Also, I don't care what anyone says, Cyborg belongs in the Teen Titans, not the Justice League. He's better off getting replaced by the Green Lantern. And if they can't score Hal Jordan, they can go get John Stewart.
I am right with you on this! I love many the the early 2000s JL animated shows they had some great stories and such! The whole DC live action universe just became such a cluster fuck in the end and it should of been great! Also like you Cyborg should be in Titans not JL. Oh well till next time...
Yeah, Stewart's a good way to get Green Lantern without being bogged down by the stigma of the Hal Jordan movie
If they can't get Jon Stewart, they can get Stephen Colbert.
@@99baji99 Just as long as they don't get John Oliver or Trevor Noah, though...
I swear, I am so glad this review exists... a 1/4 into the movie and I'm literally face palming... and when the movie ended, people actually cheered, I looked around and thought to myself, "did we watch the same movie?!" And I left the cinema even more depressed thinking "WTF is wrong with society... that people would actually like such garbage!"
Maybe they cheered because it was over?
@@seriouslyrelaxhaha
I can appreciate Drinkers joke about Amber way more now that its official :-D
Sometimes you have two types of choices in life: Either live for something or die by seeing Josstice League. Those who loved Josstice League, please, contact hannibal lecter for therapy, he will offer some fava beans with nice chianti, maybe even a side of grilled liver, maybe....yours.
Am I the only one that hears "Get your motor runnin'" every time I hear Drinker say Steppenwolf?
Heavy metal thunderrrrrrrrrrrrr
I think of the Herman Hesse novel, which I haven't actually read...
I actually think Magic Carpet Ride, which is more hilarious to use for the character's music.
yes you are.
I had no idea it had any other meaning until this film came out
When the world forgot about stash-less Superman, Critical is pouring another round. Thanks...
In retrospect, it seems that Zach Snyder made Watchman as a sort of audition for more conventional blockbusters like this one. However, I liked Watchman as a kind of dark and gritty lampooning of superhero movies because I’m not a particular fan of comics or the source material of Watchman (so I never got the tears shed over a missing nuclear octopus). However, while that rated R, against the tide motif worked well for Watchman (and some will disagree), I don’t think Snyder has the right artistic vision to lead a cohesive DC universe. And, Nolan’s universe could only work for Batman, not really any hero with magical powers. Combine this with DC’s sudden need to play “catch up” with Marvel, and it left them in a bad place...it seems like they are doing better with one-off movies like Joker, and Nolan’s trilogy, which are separate, and it has the added bonus of forcing them to be more creative with each movie outing... The biggest legitimate complaint against Marvel is that they are SO blockbuster and “Disney” that it’s bound to be formulaic in its approach. And even with Disney, I suspect all good things come to an end...
10:43 you killed it dude