A Look at the Overlap Between Autism and Gender Dysphoria, with Christina Buttons | EP 160
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- This episode opens with an extended introduction exploring the recent release of The Cass Review - Final Report, as this is a massive development in the world of gender medicalization. The guest feature begins at the 00:10:30 timestamp, so please feel free to skip ahead if you’d like.
Sasha and Stella welcome guest, Christina Buttons, for a special conversation covering everything from her personal experiences with autism, her troubled adolescence, and her work as an investigative journalist, to her awakening to gender issues and her extensive research efforts.
The episode gets into the concept of stress perception and resilience, the intersection of autism and gender dysphoria, and the lack of informed consent in medical interventions for trans identified individuals.
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Crazy to think that therapists support someone violating the privacy of support groups and terrorizing the members for a grift.
I can’t believe that we needed a four year study to figure this out.
I can't believe people are STILL DOUBLING DOWN. What's it called when it's a double double double down? Double cubed?
@@meretriciousinsolent ideology? Fundamentalist, cult member? I don’t know but I agree there needs to be a word for someone who is just never going to get off the train no matter how much evidence is laid on the tracks
"Black and white thinking" can also make it very difficult to perceive that boys and girls who do not strictly adhere to sex stereotypes are still either boys or girls. People who hold these views often are influenced by families and cultural environments which also perceive what are simply an individuals personality traits as necessarily being "gendered". This includes a seemingly huge porportion of the medical and therapeutic profession, who affirm these sex stereotypes and propose social, medical and surgical interventions as "treatments" rather than addressing underlying causes.
Exactly so, this is surely at the root of.alot of this. Just let kids grow up.to be themselves for goodness sake.
I am sooooo relieved to hear what you ladies are saying. I got a Master's in Mental Health Counseling in 2010, and got my LPC at the same time, but my first job was a very bad experience due to my own personal health and family issues as well as issues with co-workers (plus I worked on an ACT team, with clients whose main treatment goal was to stay out of the hospital. I loved them, but the team members worked together more closely than usual co-workers, and for weird reasons, I didn't get supervision as a counselor and the team drama was very high.) Anyway, when I was let go, I couldn't talk about it, let alone go for a job interview without sobbing, and my license lapsed. One reason I didn't work harder to renew or maintain my license at the time was my fear of being fired or whatever for not supporting gender transition, especially for minors (not that I planned to work with adolescents, but I had been harassed for my conservative views at that first job, and I was afraid of being bullied again.
So I am so glad to be hearing that even "non-conservatives" can see thru and argue against the *bs* about transgenderism wirh common sense. I always wonder about the evidence basis for "standard practices" that are too experimental to be called "evidence-based," which is always cited as the reason for certain types of therapy.
There were so many things all 3 of you said that jive with my thinking, and I am feeling very encouraged about doing something in the social services field again, although I'm not sure what yet. I was dx'd with ADHD in my 50s and continued to resist the dx until I "saw" myself doing it in my early 60s. I have skills to offer!
It doesn’t have to be that tricky, once you know what to look for when it comes to autism in girls and women. Yes, masking is definitely a thing, however with that knowledge in mind and a bit of education on how autism is different in girls (not to mention in adult females) it should be easier to help those girls who so often fly under the radar.
I was diagnosed in my late 30s, and I am now in my 40s. The psychologist that did my autism assessment specializes in autism (young adults and adults) and she was able to finally get the diagnosis right. After other psychologists being quick to wanting to give me all sorts of other diagnosis, from bpd, to depression, to generalized anxiety disorder, the list goes on.
Getting my autism diagnosis was everything to me. My wish is that one day, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers and other educators- and people in general will be well educated on autism, and especially autism in girls and adult females.
- Anyway, I appreciate your guest, and I love listening/watching your podcast/video. ❤
25:57 the online autism community is nuts, she’s right how they lean into dysfunction. LOTS of attention seeking kids who “self-diagnose” online. I find it disturbing how many people present it in a very cringy, childish manner. The types with an anime profile pic. And the kids online use their autism self-diagnosis as an excuse to behave very inappropriately and treat other people poorly. There is way too much misinformation on social media regarding mental health conditions.
I honestly believe the online autism "community" is run by non-autistic people who have a savior complex, and their life's work is to convince people with autism that society does not and cannot understand them and that they'll always be outsiders so they need to turn inward for support. It feels like a cult.
Yes. People online (and in society) are using autism self diagnosis as an excuse for behaving badly and to make demands on other people to accommodate them in ways they really aren't entitled to, instead of getting a professional diagnosis and using it to better understand yourself so that you can take responsibility for the ways in which you contribute to your own problems and find some solutions to help you function better in the world. Completely different things. And frankly, what the online autism self diagnosers are doing really cheapens and makes a mockery of what those of us who actually do have autism suffer and go through.
Yay! Autism is not a sidebar, it’s central to this ideology. So glad you’ve covered this with this brilliant contributor.
It's a shame Christina's work wasn't part of Dr Hillary Cass' report.
It was great to hear a very nervous novice speaker receive a rapturous applause for such great research.
Ya, most people don't think those that target children from private support groups to harass and defame are a great source for information for professional purposes.
Thanks so much Christina for this research. Much needed. I was a semi normie ( semi peaked ) until a couple of months ago. My retreat from the main source of info ,X was not because of the subject matter but more so because of the collective rhetoric of factions. I will continue to look for calmer , curious and balanced voices and spaces like Genspect. It’s always a rich conversation and I find myself resonating with so much. Sashay’s comments on her reflections on a MH focus on trauma and emotions are also my thoughts and I remain curious about a non pathological model balancing on a need to understand how our emotions interact with our functioning. Importantly what is most useful and helpful to help people to thrive. The 64 million dollar question. Thanks for your presence , both of you. I saw a video of Stella’s obvious frustration with a continued targeting of her , a couple of weeks ago. It’s this behaviour that I quickly saw and recognised which has really isolated me away from Twitter and certain groups. It makes me feel quite alone at times but Genspect are a light in the dark. Keep on keeping on.( I think I get the prize for longest comment 😂)
Christina targeted women and children from private support groups to harass with slander and defamation. She doesn't have any actual contact with the "subjects" she uses. Just whatever she can take out of context when she stalks them.
It's so nice to hear about Christina's work in this field, as well as her experience with Autism. Understanding ASD is such a crucial part of the path out of the GD epidemic. Thank you Christina ❤
What hero she was targeting those children to cyber stalk, harass, and doxx!!
Work in the field? Is that what we're calling cyber stalking and harassing children now?
@@NM92846 🤣 What?! You stalked her all the way here, didn't you? Obviously, you're not a Wider Lens fan, so what do you call hate watching someone 2 wks after an episode airs, then taking the time to comment with made up nonsense. Sounds pretty stalkish to me. "Iron law of woke projection" much?
@mariepicard8385 do you not understand how social media works? Videos get pushed often times long after they've been posted. I get replied to for comments 3yrs ago on videos. Are you just new to CZcams?
@@mariepicard8385 Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it's made up.
Thank you for this video I have been researching the new autism diagnosis... Did you know a lady in the Netherlands is doing assisted suicide because struggles with crippling depression, autism and borderline personality disorder Zoraya ter Beek This really is raising red flags for me, what's happens after gender affirming surgery don't work ? I fear this will be the next chapter, in the sick plans of whoever overtaking of the western world..
The death cult to the false god Mollock stalks the land - MAiD in Canada.
Canada (under Trudeau) is pushing medical assisted suicide for the mentally ill as well. It's crazy.
Sadly, in that country, they do euthanasia for alcoholics too.
Wow. I read an article about her or possibly some other woman who was like in her early 30s…it was insane, describing how she had breakfast that morning and said goodbye to her boyfriend and the doctors were coming by her house that afternoon to…well to kill her. I never tied it together with all of this but I just listened to an old episode about the Dutch gender clinics. That is terrifying because I can imagine it actually happening. At least Europe seems to be moving the opposite direction with the gender clinics at least..
They're also doing this to ppl who thought trans was the answer and the surgeries only made things worse
I appreciate Stella and Sasha for bringing Christina Buttons to share her journey and insights.
Ya, those moms and kids she targeted for her little grift are chumps, undeserving of privacy, and basic human decency anyway.
I so appreciate Christina’s work. The concept of gender as an ASD special interest rings true with what I see with my son. I think there is a similarity within the ASD gender kids regardless of sex, but nobody seems to discuss this. Thanks for another intriguing episode!❤
Maybe they just don't think a stalker who targets children from private support groups is worth listening to? Someone who can't handle the basics of ethics and journalistic integrity isn't typically a great voice of reason. She is no exception.
23:46 Wow. My life is messy and I've always wanted a diagnosis that could explain why things have been so difficult for me. She's very lucky that she found an explanation that made her life make sense to her. There isn't a word or prognosis for most of us, though
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Diagonsis: Human Being Prognosis: Fatal
This!!! I think it's so useful to be able to know that some of us are just a bit off kilter and that it's a human thing. I'm with you. I don't know where I fit. I don't know how old you are but I find it easier as I get older. Especially as things like being less bothered about being high flying or partying like crazy become more accepted, ha.
Thanks for sharing ladies. 🐿
The scientist Sapolsky was recently saying trans was innate, that men had a female brain and just matching the body to the brain. The podcast had comments turned off. He even admits it is a political stance and was happy to talk to someone of the same political view who lived outside California!. It would be good for these scientists to be challenged by other scientists.
I find it incredibly frustrating. I think I might have watched literally the same video.
I've looked high and low for the studies he's referencing and come to the conclusion I've read them and they don't say what he exaggerates. Every single one shows ppl are closer to their sex but somehow the summaries or reports sometimes claim something else. Some of them are ludicrous where they say 50% of trans women have x compared to 46% of men. Or they take a computer that can't judge 12% of non-trans ppl correctly and use it to judge trans ppl and still all the trans ppl fall in the bell curve of their sex.
I think they're actually closer to finding factors in being homosexual than being trans in their research.
He also simultaneously states that male and female brains aren't a thing and that the trans stuff is only different in a very specific small number of areas.
He also says it isn't his area of expertise. As if that wasn't obvious.
@@robertmarshall2502 Even presuming such a stance as true, you don't logically get to what's considered trans, transsexual or otherwise, except for the political extortion and/or subversion. And to make such a jump, would be a logical fallacy anyways, therefore a point of reliance upon Subjectivism to justify assignment and to dismiss observation and logical reason. _("Matching" is a non sequitur; irrelevant, but sounds "nice/appropriate.")_
Besides the data fabrication and typical research fraud that's prominent in everything, "trans" is not well-defined having been compressed into an ill-conceived conflation of vague aesthetic similarity for appropriating justifications and inflating demographic size (which also benefits reactionary radicalization for people to exploit).
@@HimmelsDaemon In all honesty I don't think I fully understand the points you were making.
@@robertmarshall2502 Yes, but the guy who was interviewing him knew nothing of that and was simply delighted to hear him saying the science supports transactivism.
@@daughter_of_earth Yeah I think that's confirmed we've watched the same video.
I literally replayed one part of it where the presenter was grinning like a Cheshire Cat as he heard the first part of a sentence and couldn't help but frown as it was followed by something he didn't want to hear. It was a brief moment where he actually paid attention to what was said instead of just taking everything as backing him up.
I'm really worried about America.
Is there anyone doing research on ADHD and trans ID? There are twice as many kids with ADHD diagnosis than with ASD who identify as trans. In the gender clinic in Oslo, Norway, the percentage is around 17% with ADHD vs. 9% with diagnosed ASD. But everyone is focusing on autism, or put all the neurodivergent conditions together (including Tourettes) or label it "autistic traits", and than it reaches as much as 25-30% of the young patients. But why ADHD girls fall for transID? Hyperfixation? Impulsivness and impaired executive thinking? Anxiety and depression? Feeling of being different? Overlapping with autism?
Did Cass ask if gender identity is actually a thing? Or just assume it as a given?
It's so difficult - gender identity is a thing because people say it is, and we need a phrase to talk about that - the longer I spend in this quagmire the more I realise language (English, at least!) just isn't equipped to deal with the level of wankery of this subject 😆
I'm pretty sure that she described it as a thing that some people believe they have and that other people don't believe exists, or at least doesn't exist for them.
The treatment center she was in sounds pretty traumatic, especially to someone on the autism spectrum!
She’s wonderful
Ya, to hell with the kids she targeted! They didn't deserve to feel safe anyway! How dare they express themselves in their own lives! Don't they know this stranger hundreds of miles away doesn't approve?!
@@NM92846 What?
@dakota-sessions Christina and her bf were targeting women and children from private support groups. This is where her "research" comes from, it's simple defamation. She did not contact any of the "subjects" before cyber stalking, harassing, and doxxing them either. She wanted to cause them pain for having feelings she didn't approve of.
I misheard the intro and thought Sasha said 'Christina is a national, based investigative journalist' 😆😆😆
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Every time I see Buttons in internet land i think of Messy Goes To Okido. Messy had a thing about buttons. Unfortunately he was voiced by Buckles, Adam Buxton of 'let's have Billy Bragg on my podcast and talk about how mean JKR is'. Or maybe that's fortunate. Or chaotic neutral. I don't know. BUTTONNNNSSSSSSS. (I love CB.)
I'm half an hour in, and honestly Buttons just seems like she replaced one online trend over the other. She read some stuff online about autism, decided she might be autistic because it gave her explanations about all sort of her issues. Which is the same thing people do with trans. But I don't really hear anything she's talking about that she had issues with which doens't correspond with normative human experience? It may be partially that Buttons isn't great at expressing herself, but that's the feeling I got.
From what I understand about what she's saying is, she did receive an official diagnosis of Autism when she was 30. I don't believe she diagnosed herself. The process of going through a psych eval for Autism is a 6 hour process. I know this because I have 21-year-old twin girls, who were both diagnosed on the Autism spectrum as young children, luckily.
She literally said she carries sunglasses and earplugs with her everywhere she goes. If I’m reading your post correctly seems to imply she possibly isn’t autistic but then in this same post you say she has trouble expressing herself . I don’t know the literature off hand but I’m pretty sure flat affect, some sort of difficulty communicating and reading emotions, sensory difficulties like getting over stimulated in situations…I’m not at all trying to speak to her diagnosis but there were definitely a lot of autism clues there. Anyway, not hating on ya I just didn’t get the impression at all that she gave up one online trend for another. I mean she was never in the whole trans thing at all, she just said she could relate and that if she was growing up now she could see herself getting swept up in it.
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@@gigisteyer6942 My boyfriend is also officially diagnosed with ASD. He doesn't consider himself autistic. He's not disordered, he doesn't struggle with life. He's not unusual. He's a very typical engineer, so he's very good at systematic thinking, that's all. ASD diagnosis is so broad, it lost all meaning.
@@davidfoarde558 Are all people who have trouble expressing themselves autistic? Can't people just not be very eloquent? That's kind of my point, the things she's describing are all normative experiences. Not being able to answer questions directly also isn't unique to autistic people. Unless we're arguing that any kind of overstimulation is a sign of having autism, but then we all must have it.
The trans lobby are putting a brave face on this, not convinced Dr Cass is not mixing her faith in objective science with an acceptance that trans is some new unassailable truth.
37:02 😂
He thought she was a SJW 🍯
Mistaking the autistic persistence for something sinister. Classic 😆
I wondered when the movement would spawn it’s own Brangelina. When the rest of the world has ostracised you and the people around you that would ordinarily constitute your dating pool seem all to have surrendered their brains, I guess like minds will find each other.
But, I mean... Cats tho
What did she say that was considered deter racist? Funny how they skipped that…
Do you mean where she was racist because she did her job of making jokes? In this case about Candace Owens and she was told she was racist because Christina is not black
Scary