I have owned 280 acres for 15 years 100 tillable 180 wooded Deer and turkey and pheasant populations have at minimum tripled since I began managing this property properly My son at 6 took his first buck and ended up on a magazine cover That would’ve never happened before I bought it because the populations were being decimated We went from 130-140” deer to 162-175” wall hangers in 6 years Yeah I take trophy bucks….but without me there wouldn’t be hardly any cause before it was if it’s brown it’s down mentality
Good job, man. That's an incredible amount of work but you definitely helped wildlife prosper, damn straight your deserve the trophy buck. PS, congratulations to your son
Awesome, we have a piece that we lease family been leasing it for 40 years and me my dad and 4 brothers are lucky to have it to hunt its in Florida so we dont get any “booners” but every now and then we catch a good 120-130 incher which is a trophy in FLA. Wish we had the means to buy it all because the way things are looking we probably wont have it much longer as land here is being bought up like hotcakes but im just greatful to have been able to grow up on this beautiful piece of land and make the memories i have hunting deer,turkey,squirrel,dove, and coyote with my dad and brothers.
Hell yeah. Deer hunting got me really interested in wildlife habitat improvement. The fact that one single person can take a desolate piece of land and convert it into a flourishing ecosystem is awesome. Such a rewarding thing
He’s right. I feel that it’s common sense. Improve the quality of your habitat and the quality of your wildlife will improve. Some people don’t understand that.
These private land owners will be the future for game animal’s survival. We are facing a time when poorly run Fish and Game departments are headed by politicians who have no idea how to run game programs, and they harm them more and more. I myself have 235 acres, and I’ve worked my fingers to the bone for 2 decades to ensure the habitat is suitable and has a better carrying capacity than any where near me. So good in fact that my property has to be patrolled, and surveilled by drones to catch poachers.
I own 5 acres and treat it like the Ponderosa! Food plots, switch grass, wildflowers, fruit trees, mowed grass and a 100yd shooting range! We have everything from turkeys to deer to doves to rabbits and more. Plus, I do 90% of my deer hunting here. It is possible 👍
We help deer numbers which benefits other hunters. As bucks disperse gives them opportunities. Amazes me every time people complain about habit management
@Jasondirt that's so dumb. You keep saying stupid things like this on peoples comments, when pretty much no one has a fence around their property, and you don't know either way. Shudup.
Steven Rinella has some of the absolute best takes on conservation and hunters, and hunters vS vegans. If you haven’t seen “Stars in The Sky, A hunting story” you are so missing out. Great great documentary.
I live in western Virginia. We need more disturbance on public lands. Keep areas for old growth, but we need more logging and fires too. The forest service is understaffed and very little habitat management takes place here.
On top of the private ground benefits, Deer Hunters pay for the majority of dollars the state uses for deer mgmt... Turkey Hunters the same, etc. etc. Fishermen and women the same... Outdoors sportsmen and women put their money where their mouth is and sustain it for everyone to enjoy.
We heavily manage around 160 acres. Have been since before my time when dad got it right after he and my mom met over 40 years ago. All the other properties around us also have some type of wildlife management going on. We ALL benefit. Hunting season is when we talk to the neighbors most lol.
Love his show. He's not wrong. No bias. I turned 10 acres of barren farm land into a deer haven over the last 15 years. And that extends to turkey, squirrel, song birds, fox, raccoon, possum. And I see 130 class bucks all the time.
My dad has had property he manages it and I’m blessed to hunt it it’s different from state land but far from cheating you end up giving yourself rules to make it harder and the property better
How is that? You must not actually grasp how many years these guys put in. How many hours spent earning the money to pay for it. How many hours of research it takes to learn it all. Sitting and watching the bucks that everyone else shoots the first time they see them. Or just go to a public spot that you have zero investment into and get lucky then brag like you did so much.
I just feed deer, plant plots and give minerals, have designated bedding areas on my place too. That’s about as much as I can economically do right now
The only problem with this is that now you have taken the opportunity for the average man to hunt. Rich people owning all the land and people who can afford to pay those landowners to hunt are the only ones hunting. I love duck hunting, but I'm unable to do so because I don't have land or make enough money to pay for hunts. Louisiana's used to be a place where everyone could hunt, but now it cost too much.
I don't know anyone who looks down on property owners whose land produces large numbers of low-pressured freakish bucks. We just aren't impressed with the hunters that hunt those properties and act like they've actually done something difficult after killing one of those bucks. They were barely challenged.
This isn't just property owners. If you owned property like that, and spend that many hours, and dollars turning it into that place, you would understand, and realize at the end of the day it was more challenging, and more impressive than people realize.
If it was not for private land owners, trout would be an endangered species in my state of Georgia. Do they have them all named and tagged and do they know how many times that fish has been caught and released? Sure. But at least the fish live long enough to reproduce native fish.
It's almost like people who love hunting want to make sure the best possible environment for their preferred prey exists and is maintained to produce healthy, vibrant, dynamic populations...
Yes you have to log , duh. You don't rape the woods you thin it. The forest will go crazy when the trees, plants, and bushes are not competing for the same sun rain and others. 😅
I own my own and I manage it for hunting and what someone does on their own land is not my business. But because I’m a land owner doesn’t mean I don’t want better access for people that don’t own land. It doesn’t mean that I don’t have to pay attention to what happens to public land. That’s the issue, it’s not private land and private land owners, that’s not even the argument. So this video makes no sense. Rinella is answering questions that are not being asked.
If you do the work and pay for it yourself that's just fine, but when you start an organization and get donations to pay for it, then your crossing a line, like ducks unlimited which was started by old rich duck hunters so they could just shoot more ducks.
@tbl268 fences don't work like that. Unless there a new al fence that drops for animals. Besides they wouldn't have to feed year round of the animals were free to come and go. They trap animals in.
@@Jasondirt That's exactly how fences work. They are simple barbed wire that deer simply jump over but a physical barrier that humans have to navigate. Have you ever been outside a city before? Animals move freely while still defining property lines and keeping people out.
@tbl268 I have had to clean all the dead deer that get caught in, in the spring time. When the farmer didn't drop it. .. so yes . Have you never went past a barbed wire fence before? Are you just the sins of then Californians cos paying poor country boys. Cause you think a bqrved wire fence stops humans. I'll teach lift then step. There your 1st lesson
@tbl268 I also seen another one of you guys that nailed for trapping elk. He tried the magic fence defense to but anyone that's ever hunted or been around a fence knew it was silly
They may be mismanaged, but for 75% of hunters, including myself, rely on those public lands for hunting. So taking them away would do more bad than good.
That depends highly on the state. Politics plays a huge role in my state. Liberal Democrats couldn't care less about hunters & habitat. They actually try to prevent it in my state.
@EH19 tough shit. Your not entitled to be granted land to hunt on. The midwest has very little public land and whitetail hunting is a huge industry. So spare me
@@mattwilkie9713 overgrazing, under grazing, trash, they refuse to do burns to control the undergrowth so when fires happen they get wild, logging regulations. Poor management of deer and elk. Over hunting
I would agree with you if you were using actual native species to do this with and not planting rye grass and and all this unnative clover it would be much better if it was all natural to the area that you were in
The term "Trickle down" has a very bad wrap for a very good reason. But I'll not shit upon a conservationist, and societal economics have nothing to do with conservation in this regard anyway.
He’s right that a managed piece of land has the potential of being the most beneficial to local wildlife. Especially land managed by hunters because it’s directed at local wildlife. But nobody is calling it cheating. We’re just saying that if you hunt your same 100 acres every year and shoot bucks out of 1 of the same 5 stands every year. You might not be as good of a hunter as you think you are… Don’t even consider yourself a hunter, just like if I went down to the zoo and shot a polar bear I wouldn’t consider myself a polar bear hunter.
We are part of nature, much of the Americas before Europeans was impacted significantly to people’s advantage and the best of it continues in the NAMWC, and WHY this is hard to grasp for people who claim to love nature….i dunno.
High fence is cheating, idc how well the world works out for it, as far as hunting goes it's cheating!!! Legal??? Yes!!! But still not the same as the guys getting it done every year on five acres. Say what you want, we all know whats up
I called BS respectively.. a lot of the state record bucks were taken in the 30s 40s 50s 70s.. though there is recent state records in the 2000s.. but the majority of the state records were taken before we even heard of land management for deer in other wildlife.. in a nutshell, you can’t beat what God has laid out for the wildlife. I think the gentleman speaking is trying to justify hunting for profit when I was a kid in Pennsylvania. I grew up hunting. I never heard of anybody leasing land to hunters..
@@hop1414 The largest whitetail rack in the agency's record book dates back to 1942. Edward Dodge of Knox shot a 238 6/8-inch non-typical buck in Erie County - Pennsylvania has a new record for a typical deer taken by a firearm, but the story has a twist. The record-setting white-tail buck was actually taken in the early 1960's in Montgomery County. Shot by Frederick Kyriss, the 14-point buck's rack measures 202 7/8 inches, according to the Boone & Crockett Scoring System.. both state record bucks were taken in the 40s and 60s
@@inthegreenetv4936 true but they were needles in a haystack situations. There's more and bigger deer than there ever was especially in Pa overall. It's a game of inches. USA record typical Huff buck last yr and the USA record non typical 2016. Sheer numbers of big deer in most states has drastically increased no doubt
@@hop1414 who says they are needles in a haystack. I’m pretty sure you wasn’t around in the early 1940s.. because I know I wasn’t. Look, I did my research and we’re not gonna agree on this . I don’t believe in hunting for profit. I don’t like the direction hunting is going, but at the end of the day that’s just my opinion. I have more respect for the animal to be worried about if I have the kill shot on camera. And I don’t support turning deer into pets. Feeding them 365,and then hunting them on the first day .That is not fair Chase..
@@inthegreenetv4936 you're right. We don't agree. Neither does Boone and Crockett LOL. The biggest deer shot in the US were very recently. I know my dad and grandfather never shot deer like I do and they were alive in the times you're talking. 40 + years of hunting multiple States every year I've watched it improve firsthand even on public land. I could care less what your definition of hunting is or whether you approve of the direction it's going. It's called evolution. Evolve with it or get off the pot.
Well yeah, the hunters shit and piss on the ground while out bush. The deer to the same. Then the y get shot and their blood flows onto the ground. That's some serious ecosystem building shit excuse the pun
I wish our hunting club was managed. It has no animals on it and that would help a lot. Unfortunately, the company that owns it does not have the funds to do so. It’s very expensive to manage land.
“You can’t say they are a cheater” It’s not that you’re cheating it’s that you’re playing a different game. To argue that procuring land, cultivating that land specifically to encourage deer growth vs someone who is just going into the woods is just stupid. It’s different lmfao.
He’s right that a managed piece of land has the potential of being the most beneficial to local wildlife. Especially land managed by hunters because it’s directed at local wildlife. But nobody is calling it cheating. We’re just saying that if you hunt your same 100 acres every year and shoot bucks out of 1 of the same 5 stands every year. You might not be as good of a hunter as you think you are… Don’t even consider yourself a hunter, just like if I went down to the zoo and shot a polar bear I wouldn’t consider myself a polar bear hunter.
Eh that's a major stretch. I grew up hunting managed and public land they both have their challenges and different needed skills. The managed lands I hunted weren't typical deer feed lots though... no feeders or typical food plots and no fences at all. They were AG properties but you still have to scout the land and know where to set stands and where deer frequent. I live in the west now and the skillset needed is much broader and is much more physically demanding. I get what your saying and there is a lot of managed land out there thats like what you are describing. But not all private is managed that way.
@@terpsurfer7221 I agree not all private land is like that. I’m from the south my man. Southern Arkansas nobody owns huge plots of land, it’s all leases for the most part. I grew up and still hunt a deer club that my family started in the 50s. We have around 30-35 members with around 5500 acres. You can do the math yourself on how many acres that is per person. None the less, very rarely does a 150”+ come out of there. Maybe once ever 5-10 years. I’d say a common big buck is 115”-125”. And even then maybe 1 of those ever 1-3 years. Don’t take my anecdotal evidence for proof though. Go watch Midwest Whitetail, and then watch The Hunting Public. Both outfits kill lots of big bucks. But what they go through for them are completely different. I would like to rephrase though, extremely managed land hunters are not the same caliber, not on the same level, not even playing the same game as the public land hunters and that is especially true for the eastern part of the country and never more true then for the south/southeast part of the country. Out west is not even a good example because well there just ain’t a lot of hunters out there… compared to here atleast. Also, you say you get what I’m saying, but also say it’s a major stretch. Yet make no case as to how what I’m saying is a stretch at all? There’s really no case to be made but I’m just curious as to what is a stretch I guess? My whole point is that Public land hunters are way more capable as hunters then private land hunters and there’s literally nothing you could say that would make that not true and I feel like anybody who knows what they are talking about would agree.
@@crujones4915 Maybe mismanaged. Or unmanaged would be the word. But not over hunted? Definitely not bad genetics… a 125” 3.5-4.5 year old is a big deer… living past 3 is the problem. Why would you assume bad genetics? Absolutely nothing I said indicated that. If you were a hunter you’d know that well if there’s any 150” deer on the property EVER that means that the genetics for there to be 150” bucks are clearly already in place. Do you hunt sir? Just wondering. How did yo come up with over hunted? Did you assume that we hunt illegally? I assure you we are legal beagles here. Did you not do the math? 5,000/30 ? That’s 150+ acres per person? Does that sound overhunted to you? Arkansas residents get 5 tags, 2 for bucks 3 for does. There’s nowhere in the entire state that is over hunted. You’re completely assuming and I’m sure you know what that does… What are you trying to add to the conversation, if anything?
I have owned 280 acres for 15 years
100 tillable
180 wooded
Deer and turkey and pheasant populations have at minimum tripled since I began managing this property properly
My son at 6 took his first buck and ended up on a magazine cover
That would’ve never happened before I bought it because the populations were being decimated
We went from 130-140” deer to 162-175” wall hangers in 6 years
Yeah I take trophy bucks….but without me there wouldn’t be hardly any cause before it was if it’s brown it’s down mentality
Good job, man. That's an incredible amount of work but you definitely helped wildlife prosper, damn straight your deserve the trophy buck. PS, congratulations to your son
Awesome, we have a piece that we lease family been leasing it for 40 years and me my dad and 4 brothers are lucky to have it to hunt its in Florida so we dont get any “booners” but every now and then we catch a good 120-130 incher which is a trophy in FLA. Wish we had the means to buy it all because the way things are looking we probably wont have it much longer as land here is being bought up like hotcakes but im just greatful to have been able to grow up on this beautiful piece of land and make the memories i have hunting deer,turkey,squirrel,dove, and coyote with my dad and brothers.
@@turdfergusonoutdoors5070that’s what it’s all about
Can I visit?
@@Elel765 😂😂🤫🤫
Hell yeah. Deer hunting got me really interested in wildlife habitat improvement. The fact that one single person can take a desolate piece of land and convert it into a flourishing ecosystem is awesome. Such a rewarding thing
He’s right. I feel that it’s common sense. Improve the quality of your habitat and the quality of your wildlife will improve. Some people don’t understand that.
No they don't understand. They just want to judge us and romanticize wild life, like nature isn't brutal.
I wish Steven and Joe did more stuff together. What a great team, so interesting and entertaining.
I liked Joe's input
"Yes"
I felt that. So profound.
These private land owners will be the future for game animal’s survival. We are facing a time when poorly run Fish and Game departments are headed by politicians who have no idea how to run game programs, and they harm them more and more. I myself have 235 acres, and I’ve worked my fingers to the bone for 2 decades to ensure the habitat is suitable and has a better carrying capacity than any where near me. So good in fact that my property has to be patrolled, and surveilled by drones to catch poachers.
I own 5 acres and treat it like the Ponderosa! Food plots, switch grass, wildflowers, fruit trees, mowed grass and a 100yd shooting range! We have everything from turkeys to deer to doves to rabbits and more. Plus, I do 90% of my deer hunting here. It is possible 👍
We help deer numbers which benefits other hunters. As bucks disperse gives them opportunities. Amazes me every time people complain about habit management
Except for the giant fence it sounds great. Hard for this deer and elk to clear a 10ft chain link
@Jasondirt that's so dumb. You keep saying stupid things like this on peoples comments, when pretty much no one has a fence around their property, and you don't know either way. Shudup.
Most of us traditional outdoor sportsman know this. It's just a matter of getting the tree and bunny huggers to know this.
Amen!
Just got my 99 acres.
I hope to get there💪
Congratulations! That’s the dream!
I really don’t understand how anyone can get mad at hunters they’re literally farmers but with extra steps
Well said
Amen. 100 acres fully managed. Had multiple neighbors comment on how great the hunting has been the 5 years Ive owned it.
you reap what you sow.
I am not a hunter but really respect and like Steve.
Steven Rinella has some of the absolute best takes on conservation and hunters, and hunters vS vegans. If you haven’t seen “Stars in The Sky, A hunting story” you are so missing out. Great great documentary.
The “No road to Ambler” shirt got me.
That was the last thing I would have expected to see on CZcams
I would absolutely love to hunt with these 2 guys.
Thank you for this information. You have good credentials.
Rinella for president!
wtf
100% agree.
Besides all that, the deer, turkey, pheasant, quail, dove, duck and even invasive feral hogs are all DELICIOUS.
This video us correct. I built and owned hunting ranches in Texas for over 17 years.
Literally speaking nothing but the truth
Right, the work I do as a consultant costs more money on private land than any govt agency could accomplish
I live in western Virginia. We need more disturbance on public lands. Keep areas for old growth, but we need more logging and fires too. The forest service is understaffed and very little habitat management takes place here.
That's why im grateful i love in Alaska, everyone has the same opportunities
On top of the private ground benefits, Deer Hunters pay for the majority of dollars the state uses for deer mgmt... Turkey Hunters the same, etc. etc. Fishermen and women the same... Outdoors sportsmen and women put their money where their mouth is and sustain it for everyone to enjoy.
We heavily manage around 160 acres. Have been since before my time when dad got it right after he and my mom met over 40 years ago. All the other properties around us also have some type of wildlife management going on. We ALL benefit. Hunting season is when we talk to the neighbors most lol.
hunters have always been the best conservationists. Period.
Love his show. He's not wrong. No bias. I turned 10 acres of barren farm land into a deer haven over the last 15 years. And that extends to turkey, squirrel, song birds, fox, raccoon, possum. And I see 130 class bucks all the time.
My dad has had property he manages it and I’m blessed to hunt it it’s different from state land but far from cheating you end up giving yourself rules to make it harder and the property better
It's never cheating n I hunt public but land owners help my hunting as well 😊
What is the book is being looked at?
Is this a new episode ?
They are creating savannahs and thats amazing work❤
He's right. The hunting is regulated heavily 😂 WMA's provide a LOT more than just an easy kill for hunters...
Well said ❤👍✌🏻🇨🇦😊
I plant my entire pasture land with pumpkins every year for the wildlife.
Joe Rogan: “yes”
Yep in the afternoon those places are full of birders
Exactly right
I think people are mostly jealous because it's 10x harder to do on public land
How is that? You must not actually grasp how many years these guys put in. How many hours spent earning the money to pay for it. How many hours of research it takes to learn it all. Sitting and watching the bucks that everyone else shoots the first time they see them. Or just go to a public spot that you have zero investment into and get lucky then brag like you did so much.
When the kids are all out of the house, we’re downsizing the house and severely upgrading the property size.
The amount of animals is enhanced several times over...
The land & animals benefit greatly....
“….yes”
Check with Grant woods
I just feed deer, plant plots and give minerals, have designated bedding areas on my place too. That’s about as much as I can economically do right now
The only problem with this is that now you have taken the opportunity for the average man to hunt. Rich people owning all the land and people who can afford to pay those landowners to hunt are the only ones hunting. I love duck hunting, but I'm unable to do so because I don't have land or make enough money to pay for hunts. Louisiana's used to be a place where everyone could hunt, but now it cost too much.
Facts
If it's your land, fuck anyone who isn't you...
It's all habitat
💯
I don't know anyone who looks down on property owners whose land produces large numbers of low-pressured freakish bucks. We just aren't impressed with the hunters that hunt those properties and act like they've actually done something difficult after killing one of those bucks. They were barely challenged.
This isn't just property owners. If you owned property like that, and spend that many hours, and dollars turning it into that place, you would understand, and realize at the end of the day it was more challenging, and more impressive than people realize.
That's the plan for our Alaska property
Humans have been managing wilderness forever. A little bit of love is needed to restore habitat.
I can't wait to get my own land. And i don't even hunt.
Not to mention bigfoot habitat
The success determined of an environment is dependent on the success of its predators.
If it was not for private land owners, trout would be an endangered species in my state of Georgia. Do they have them all named and tagged and do they know how many times that fish has been caught and released? Sure. But at least the fish live long enough to reproduce native fish.
If you harvest a mature deer ethically in Michigans northern public lands you've earned it more than any private land harvested deer. Just my opinion
Yea, because you have so much invested in it....
Yep, it's just more challenging and way more rewarding@@WolfinWolvesClothing713
It's almost like people who love hunting want to make sure the best possible environment for their preferred prey exists and is maintained to produce healthy, vibrant, dynamic populations...
Yes you have to log , duh. You don't rape the woods you thin it. The forest will go crazy when the trees, plants, and bushes are not competing for the same sun rain and others. 😅
I own my own and I manage it for hunting and what someone does on their own land is not my business. But because I’m a land owner doesn’t mean I don’t want better access for people that don’t own land. It doesn’t mean that I don’t have to pay attention to what happens to public land. That’s the issue, it’s not private land and private land owners, that’s not even the argument. So this video makes no sense. Rinella is answering questions that are not being asked.
If you do the work and pay for it yourself that's just fine, but when you start an organization and get donations to pay for it, then your crossing a line, like ducks unlimited which was started by old rich duck hunters so they could just shoot more ducks.
And not all the bucks are going to get killed on that property they move off from time to time
Farmers are both an animals dream come true and nightmare incarnate. They both give and take. Provide and reap
Yea, they provide habitat for hundreds of animals, and kill one or two..... they're horrible. 🤦
If you ignore the giant fence that stops all those animals from leaving. It's a killing animals in a zoo
Lol they dont have fences that keep animals in. They have fences to keep people out. Animals pass freely.
@tbl268 fences don't work like that. Unless there a new al fence that drops for animals. Besides they wouldn't have to feed year round of the animals were free to come and go. They trap animals in.
@@Jasondirt That's exactly how fences work. They are simple barbed wire that deer simply jump over but a physical barrier that humans have to navigate. Have you ever been outside a city before? Animals move freely while still defining property lines and keeping people out.
@tbl268 I have had to clean all the dead deer that get caught in, in the spring time. When the farmer didn't drop it. .. so yes . Have you never went past a barbed wire fence before? Are you just the sins of then Californians cos paying poor country boys. Cause you think a bqrved wire fence stops humans. I'll teach lift then step. There your 1st lesson
@tbl268 I also seen another one of you guys that nailed for trapping elk. He tried the magic fence defense to but anyone that's ever hunted or been around a fence knew it was silly
This is the exact argument to abolish federal public lands. They are the most mismanaged areas in the nation
They may be mismanaged, but for 75% of hunters, including myself, rely on those public lands for hunting. So taking them away would do more bad than good.
How are they mismanaged? Genuinely curious
That depends highly on the state. Politics plays a huge role in my state. Liberal Democrats couldn't care less about hunters & habitat. They actually try to prevent it in my state.
@EH19 tough shit. Your not entitled to be granted land to hunt on. The midwest has very little public land and whitetail hunting is a huge industry. So spare me
@@mattwilkie9713 overgrazing, under grazing, trash, they refuse to do burns to control the undergrowth so when fires happen they get wild, logging regulations. Poor management of deer and elk. Over hunting
300+ acres of slightly managed native habitat surrounded by houses and farmland. Not hunted. Who is the bad guy in that scenario?
Its about good ecology. Everyone knows this.
The people that are hunting are the ones that say there is no climate issues?
Maybe not for president but atleast crown the man gorvernor of some state!
Most are, some get rid of native species some animals need so they can plant something that only helps deer or whatever they hunt. 99% are great tho
I would agree with you if you were using actual native species to do this with and not planting rye grass and and all this unnative clover it would be much better if it was all natural to the area that you were in
Growth hormones baby.!! Aw yeah
The term "Trickle down" has a very bad wrap for a very good reason. But I'll not shit upon a conservationist, and societal economics have nothing to do with conservation in this regard anyway.
Not in Utah. Landowners suck here
AGREE BUT ONLY THE RICH HAVE ACCESS. THE PEOPLE WHO HUNT FOR FOOD / NOURISHMENT DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY
He’s right that a managed piece of land has the potential of being the most beneficial to local wildlife. Especially land managed by hunters because it’s directed at local wildlife.
But nobody is calling it cheating. We’re just saying that if you hunt your same 100 acres every year and shoot bucks out of 1 of the same 5 stands every year. You might not be as good of a hunter as you think you are… Don’t even consider yourself a hunter, just like if I went down to the zoo and shot a polar bear I wouldn’t consider myself a polar bear hunter.
The rich keep getting richer and the poor can't hunt
We are part of nature, much of the Americas before Europeans was impacted significantly to people’s advantage and the best of it continues in the NAMWC, and WHY this is hard to grasp for people who claim to love nature….i dunno.
High fence is cheating, idc how well the world works out for it, as far as hunting goes it's cheating!!! Legal??? Yes!!! But still not the same as the guys getting it done every year on five acres. Say what you want, we all know whats up
At What Point Did Life Become About What Other People Think??? Instead Of, What God Thinks . God put Animals on earth for Food. Not What People Think.
I called BS respectively.. a lot of the state record bucks were taken in the 30s 40s 50s 70s.. though there is recent state records in the 2000s.. but the majority of the state records were taken before we even heard of land management for deer in other wildlife.. in a nutshell, you can’t beat what God has laid out for the wildlife. I think the gentleman speaking is trying to justify hunting for profit when I was a kid in Pennsylvania. I grew up hunting. I never heard of anybody leasing land to hunters..
nah there's more and bigger deer in most states than there ever was. Pennsylvania is night and day. never been better.
@@hop1414 The largest whitetail rack in the agency's record book dates back to 1942. Edward Dodge of Knox shot a 238 6/8-inch non-typical buck in Erie County - Pennsylvania has a new record for a typical deer taken by a firearm, but the story has a twist. The record-setting white-tail buck was actually taken in the early 1960's in Montgomery County. Shot by Frederick Kyriss, the 14-point buck's rack measures 202 7/8 inches, according to the Boone & Crockett Scoring System.. both state record bucks were taken in the 40s and 60s
@@inthegreenetv4936 true but they were needles in a haystack situations. There's more and bigger deer than there ever was especially in Pa overall. It's a game of inches. USA record typical Huff buck last yr and the USA record non typical 2016. Sheer numbers of big deer in most states has drastically increased no doubt
@@hop1414 who says they are needles in a haystack. I’m pretty sure you wasn’t around in the early 1940s.. because I know I wasn’t.
Look, I did my research and we’re not gonna agree on this . I don’t believe in hunting for profit. I don’t like the direction hunting is going, but at the end of the day that’s just my opinion. I have more respect for the animal to be worried about if I have the kill shot on camera. And I don’t support turning deer into pets. Feeding them 365,and then hunting them on the first day .That is not fair Chase..
@@inthegreenetv4936 you're right. We don't agree. Neither does Boone and Crockett LOL. The biggest deer shot in the US were very recently. I know my dad and grandfather never shot deer like I do and they were alive in the times you're talking. 40 + years of hunting multiple States every year I've watched it improve firsthand even on public land. I could care less what your definition of hunting is or whether you approve of the direction it's going. It's called evolution. Evolve with it or get off the pot.
The native Americans did this so what’s the problem.
The absolute best habitat is native habitat.
Classic cheater talk.
Well yeah, the hunters shit and piss on the ground while out bush. The deer to the same. Then the y get shot and their blood flows onto the ground. That's some serious ecosystem building shit excuse the pun
Steve is a lousy shot, if it were for the sponsors ship he would be on TV. He continuously makes unethical shots.
I wish our hunting club was managed. It has no animals on it and that would help a lot. Unfortunately, the company that owns it does not have the funds to do so. It’s very expensive to manage land.
Literally farming deer at that point I dunno why anyone would have a problem with that considering how much work it is to manage woodlands
You can sugar coat it all you want....it's farming....
“You can’t say they are a cheater”
It’s not that you’re cheating it’s that you’re playing a different game.
To argue that procuring land, cultivating that land specifically to encourage deer growth vs someone who is just going into the woods is just stupid.
It’s different lmfao.
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He’s right that a managed piece of land has the potential of being the most beneficial to local wildlife. Especially land managed by hunters because it’s directed at local wildlife.
But nobody is calling it cheating. We’re just saying that if you hunt your same 100 acres every year and shoot bucks out of 1 of the same 5 stands every year. You might not be as good of a hunter as you think you are… Don’t even consider yourself a hunter, just like if I went down to the zoo and shot a polar bear I wouldn’t consider myself a polar bear hunter.
Eh that's a major stretch. I grew up hunting managed and public land they both have their challenges and different needed skills. The managed lands I hunted weren't typical deer feed lots though... no feeders or typical food plots and no fences at all. They were AG properties but you still have to scout the land and know where to set stands and where deer frequent. I live in the west now and the skillset needed is much broader and is much more physically demanding. I get what your saying and there is a lot of managed land out there thats like what you are describing. But not all private is managed that way.
@@terpsurfer7221 I agree not all private land is like that. I’m from the south my man. Southern Arkansas nobody owns huge plots of land, it’s all leases for the most part. I grew up and still hunt a deer club that my family started in the 50s. We have around 30-35 members with around 5500 acres. You can do the math yourself on how many acres that is per person. None the less, very rarely does a 150”+ come out of there. Maybe once ever 5-10 years. I’d say a common big buck is 115”-125”. And even then maybe 1 of those ever 1-3 years.
Don’t take my anecdotal evidence for proof though. Go watch Midwest Whitetail, and then watch The Hunting Public. Both outfits kill lots of big bucks. But what they go through for them are completely different.
I would like to rephrase though, extremely managed land hunters are not the same caliber, not on the same level, not even playing the same game as the public land hunters and that is especially true for the eastern part of the country and never more true then for the south/southeast part of the country. Out west is not even a good example because well there just ain’t a lot of hunters out there… compared to here atleast.
Also, you say you get what I’m saying, but also say it’s a major stretch. Yet make no case as to how what I’m saying is a stretch at all? There’s really no case to be made but I’m just curious as to what is a stretch I guess? My whole point is that Public land hunters are way more capable as hunters then private land hunters and there’s literally nothing you could say that would make that not true and I feel like anybody who knows what they are talking about would agree.
@@DirtySouth69 So what you're saying is the area you hunt is over hunted and has bad genetics? Or...?
@@crujones4915 Maybe mismanaged. Or unmanaged would be the word. But not over hunted? Definitely not bad genetics… a 125” 3.5-4.5 year old is a big deer… living past 3 is the problem.
Why would you assume bad genetics? Absolutely nothing I said indicated that. If you were a hunter you’d know that well if there’s any 150” deer on the property EVER that means that the genetics for there to be 150” bucks are clearly already in place. Do you hunt sir? Just wondering.
How did yo come up with over hunted? Did you assume that we hunt illegally? I assure you we are legal beagles here. Did you not do the math? 5,000/30 ? That’s 150+ acres per person? Does that sound overhunted to you? Arkansas residents get 5 tags, 2 for bucks 3 for does. There’s nowhere in the entire state that is over hunted. You’re completely assuming and I’m sure you know what that does…
What are you trying to add to the conversation, if anything?