THE REALITY OF RENOVATION IN ITALY (Renovating a Ruin Ep 24)
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2022
- Apologies, this is a long rant but we ran into some problems this week and decided it would only be fair to share some of the challenges that one faces with renovating and construction in Italy, in case anyone out there is planning to invest time and money in this beautiful but complicated country.
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The contractor was either not motivated or professionally inept... solution: create some drama...walks off. Normal contractors quote you a price. You agree on a price. They provide the tools and manpower. Write a contract that cover all jobs required, materials, estimated work amount, and completion date. Pay 25% at the start. 50% once major jobs are complete. And pay the last 25% on completion after the last walkthrough.
If contracts are not enforceable, what is their use? Especially if it takes 15-20 yrs to move through the ‘justice’ system. Your description of how it should work is correct and fair - in most countries - but Italy has apparently become a welfare state - getting paid not to work. It’s very sad.
@@mercysmith Seems like Italy would benefit from having some true trades people- skilled and professional. No doubt, they do have them but obviously not enough. It is a very sad and stressful situation.
We decided a long time ago we would buy a property in Italy that does not need any major upgrades...a little more money but worth it unfortunately we learned a lesson early on and would rather not deal with any contractors. It is already difficult to deal with Italy's regulations to buy a property will not add any more problems by doing any construction! Lessons learned!
That sounds professional.
Sorry it doesn’t work like that anymore I live in Florida now and we can’t get anyone to do anything and I am a former contractor I have to do the work myself!
Every cloud has a silver lining....perfect reason for your parents to return to Italy to help❤
Yes, more content with your father and mother, Kylie !!!! 👍🏼👍🏼
I was thinking the same. I hope there is some way that family can give support.
Hi Kylie, am an architect and a project manager. Just today I faced a similar situation. Was so sad and felt bad, because I treated this particular mason very well, shared meals with him, appreciated his work, accepted his mistakes and helped correcting same. So, this video helped me to recover and see it's not just me, am not the only person who has to go through this. Thanks 🧡
Good to know it’s not just us but sorry that you had that experience!
❤️ from 🇱🇰 Sri Lanka
@@keshanidesilva1728 ..stay true and honest. This world is stuffed anyway, but never betray your true self. One day you will be rewarded❤
Greetings From Australia.
one more thought, I also think with social media there is so much that is not real and it makes so many people feel their life doesn't live up to what they are seeing...It is so sad that your channel can not be the model for all of social media. If everyone could learn from your channel think of how much positivity could be sent out there! Thank you for sharing all of your ups and downs with us!! Sending you so much positivity and love Kylie!
My goodness this is so sad , after watching this I really appreciate how good things work here in Japan, so fast and very well done they even ensure the house for while to be sure that everything is perfect.
The Japanese are masters of efficiency and still manage to create things of beauty and quality! 😍
Japan is unique in every way perhaps
@@KylieFlavell yes , I wish this was the normal way everywhere.
Japanese efficiency is a myth that they invented in Japan, there are many videos on youtube of foreigners who tell the inefficiencies of the Japanese bureaucracy but above all the suppressed ones, and the scams that the Japanese purposely do to foreigners!
A silly little example? did you know that in japan there is an obligation to stop at level crossings and look in all directions before crossing the rails? do you know why? because level crossings don't work!
So true! I saw Kimono Mom's kitchen moving episode, and was so impressed at how meticulous and fast Japanese moving companies are. Even Moe and Moto we're impressed😆
oh Kylie...you are in a passionate land; sorry that your project is sidelined but you two are imaginative and resourceful. I pray that solutions are at hand and things go on course even if delayed.♥
As an 8th grade teacher in Pennsylvania this behavior is so very common. I have been teaching for 27 years and the moral values of students are gone. No one wants to work hard for their education and as educators we are to so called "water down the program" and move kids along. So sad, I only thought this was the new way in America, but now I see it's the world. To think my grandparents came from Italy to America and helped build this country. How sad this world is. My children are hard educated people who are teaching good work habits to my grandchildren. Let's pray and hope the world changes. Who do we blame? Parents, Governments and Educators because this is what we have created. The easy way out. Know that God always has a plan and obviously he was not the right person for your job. The good Lord protecting you and someone wonderful will come your way. Be faithful and know this too shall pass. Blessings.
We are renovating a Casale in Montalcino (6 years already!) and we are going through the same emotional roller coaster due to bureaucracy and unprofessional workers. I understand exactly how you feel - you are not alone! I'm from Sweden/Switzerland and for me "Italian way" was difficult to accept. Thanks to my Italian husband I changed the approach about how to handle these issues - I take it easy and I have lowered my expectations - and that helps. Just hang on there because it is not going to get better in Italy. To end on a positive note - I still love Tuscany and would not change my life for a second! I wish you all the best! And remember, one day you'll have a beautiful place to live.
I'm so sorry you are dealing with this. I'm from America and now I'm in Sicily. My husband and I are going through the same darn thing. It's insane! I don't understand how they can be offended when they are clearly in the wrong. All I can say is that the work will get done eventually and you will enjoy your home. Continue to focus on the end result and breathe deeply throughout the process. 💕
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Bunch of SNOWFLAKES!
They are being groomed to be weak people snowflakes offended easily and very dramatic and easily offended by EVERYTHING!! This is the cancel culture at work .
They act offended to impress you, what else can they do because you are right! Like small children. Here in Germany when arabs want to buy your car and you negotiate, then al of a sudden they start to scream when things do not go their way, you have to stay calm and unimpressed. An Armenia guy told me...that is what they do...they try to scare germans with their loudness...sound like it is like that in your case to. It is a mentality we don`t know, but it is everywhere, especially when you are nice correct Americans.
JUST FINISHED renovating a wing of a palace in Florence. Italian building contractors… they have a very delicate ego 😂 and they essentially need to be babied and kept in good spirits at all costs, otherwise you’re the one who ultimately suffers due to tantrums.
Professionalism isn’t in the equation. At all. But once you build a rapport, they can also be very sweet and hard working.
Ultimately business relationships in Italy are NOT based on professionalism. They’re based on emotional connection. Standards, quality, speed, efficiency - its all intrinsically tied to how the contractor feels about you as a client, rather than their professional al obligation to the job.
I’ve tried to steer clear of criticising Italian contractors in my videos, but I totally understand your feelings and sometimes their behaviour needs to be spoken publicly about it!
Your explanation gives light to how things work in Italy. Anger usually comes from fear. Fear of loss of something physically, emotionally, past pain or ego. Betrayal hurts the heart . We bless everyone involved with peace in your heart and soul.
I appreciated the reality of this video, watching you and G discussing a real life situation with openness and honesty…. What a breath of fresh air.
Hi Kylie! I'm also a farm owner in the Philippines and this is one thing I have noticed about people working for us. I don't know if this will help but my 2 cent thought on this is I have noticed workers with whom you build a friendly relations with can abuse you because they no longer treat you as someone contracting their services but their comrade. In our farm, my husband, who is a lawyer (I mention this because he should command more authority than me because of his profession), is very friendly with our farm workers and builders and they actually don't take him seriously. Like your builder, they'd throw tantrums and walk out on him and he's the most chill employer I know. I observed this and so I, as a stark contrast to that of my husband, try to make a distance and reduce our relations to being contractor and contracted service worker. Meaning, I'm not friendly with them in such a way that i try to keep boundaries. Not asking about their family or anything that is personal. I reduce our conversations to work and the expectations of both parties. I don't know if it is psychology but the workers actually do what i ask them to do so much so that whenever my husband wants something done, he asks me to tell them because he thinks the workers do what i ask them to do compared to him. We give them benefits over and above of what was agreed upon because as you mentioned, these are highly skilled workers and we acknowledge that it's hard work. But I make a mental note to make sure that the relationship will never go beyond professional. It's interesting to note that everytime my husband attempts to give them an instruction, they will fret and start making excuses why it can't be done and my husband would immediately tell them "it's how my wife wanted it done so if you can just explain to her why it can't be done". Almost immediately, they will retract and say they will do everything to meet the expectation. Funny Noh? It actually works for us. It may not relate to you based on the culture and social location of your country but may help in some way.
My goodness, it is exactly what I do. I totally understand you. I try to keep my contracts as professional as possible. I'm always very polite and provide lunch, snacks, refreshments, but I always keep it professional. I know things will work out for Guido and Kylie. With time this will only be a dream. Sending much love.
Yes, keeping it mutually professional is certainly the way to go. It avoids a potentially manipulative situation - for both parties.
Sounds like the traditional "good cop, bad cop" Your husband softens them up & you hit the topic on the head. Well done
"In all fairytales, there's drama," I love this Guido, thanks!
This is happening in the US as well and it’s ruining the economy and work ethic. It’s sad and a shame.
It was always like this in Italy - Rome wasn't built in a day 😂
Trump voter???😂😂😂
@@aboukirman3508 Is it possible for you to be civil? I think not.
@@kathycourtney2 A lesson in manners from a Trump voter? I think not.
I just posted the same thing. I agree with you. It's sad to watch. I'm in America It's a mess.
Kylie! My husband and I can help, we sent an application to that villa where the roof was being redone. My husband works in construction here in the states and we are planning our move to Italy. Win Win? I am definitely serious but I'm sure you already have new workers finishing these projects! We can't wait to see how it turns out! Baci!
I sent you a message on Insta as well- Sciarretta
Stay on your path guys. I know that you will. We are dealing with a world run by unelected elites and their rotten ideology is trickling down through society. What you are experiencing is worldwide. I feel your pain and stress. All will be well. Love from New Zealand 🇳🇿 ❤️
Absolutely! I honestly didn't believe its real, or that it would happen. It really is unbelievable. You will own nothing and be happy.
@@samanthakarl8916 that's what they want but we do not comply.
@@samanthakarl8916🎯
Unfortunately things like this are happening everywhere. In Canada, shops, restaurants, and many other businesses are looking for workers! Since the pandemic, everything has changed....people were paid to stay home. In my opinion, the WEF is having a terrible effect on all countries through our governments.
This is so true. Same thing in the States. I agree that social media and the pandemic are the cause. Soon we will no longer work and will be provided for and controlled like in Minority Report. Beware
I was going to say the same thing. So many companies in Canada looking for workers. People got free money and now they’d rather stay home.
AMEN, SISTER...FROM A FELLOW CANADIAN...;)
This is really an eye opener. I thought this was happening only in India. Yes subsidies have made the working class laid back. It just then seems unfair to tax the professionals and business class. I'm sorry that this is happening to you Kylie. Hope your issues get resolved soon.
@@shibijose there may also be that the working class broke the balls to be exploited by the bosses, or pay well or do the hard work yourself!
I am so sorry, that you are experiencing this drama in your beautiful family property. All over the world there is extreme conflict now! I do not have the answers, either. I send my love, light and desire for fast resolution of this situation!
I've noticed this also... why?
My husband is a tradesman and he gets very tetchy when doing things, I’ve learnt to keep well out of the way, I don’t know whether you hovered but always best to leave them to it, check progress at the end of the day and discuss things in the morning before everyone gets tired. Fingers crossed you find someone, just don’t get too friendly with them. Also don’t slag your old builder off when trying to get a new builder.
Hello from Canada! I’m sorry this has happened to you. We went through a similar situation and like you I was shocked and hurt by the behaviour of our employee. We have raised three daughters who have an excellent work ethic and I consider this my greatest achievement 😊. I hope everything gets sorted for you soon
So sorry for this experience. renovations especially in a place where builders are not in abundance- make them behave in a way they wouldn't think of in a place where there have competition. We had something similar with a timber guy, he decided we "complain too much" after he caused an opening in our roof and it was raining in the house. We had to go to his house and apologise for something we didn't do just in order to get him back- otherwise we would have to wait for a few months for someone else.
Wow, that sounds much worse than our situation. Thanks for your support.
Exactly
@@KylieFlavell I understand your frustration, but it's ridiculous to even think that this situation has something to do with the RdC or welfare payments. Inform Guido that welfare payments are available to all EU citizens except in Greece, and till 3 years ago in Italy. Also 2/3rd of people receiving RdC payments can't even work due to disability. As an italian living in Australia, I'm also well aware of how welfare payments work here. Please inform Guido that here in Australia there are generations of families living on Centrelink payments. On the contrary, my understanding is that in Italy you can lose the RdC after refusing two jobs. Unfortunately, trashing the RdC has become a national sport in Italy and it's very disappointing to see that for any kind of issue that arises people pick on the most vulnerable.
As many have already posted, your problems with builders are very common all over the world due to the higher prices for fuel and materials. For example, here in Australia there are many big well known companies that have gone bust and left their customers with nothing.
In my experience all contractors get the job and don’t come back for three weeks, don’t clean up after themselves and then want extra money because he bring his wife and kids over. 🙄 or the steal your equipment and pawn it and never come back. We had all kinds. Some have very good work ethic; but most don’t. I’m sorry you had to experience this very frustrating situation. Maybe clean up your side of the street (for your peace of mind). Negotiate with the equipment and maybe get him back. Or maybe he will apologize and come back. Big hugs to you both.
@@UndertheTuscanSun it’s good to have your contrasting opinion. Perhaps you’re right. I imagine Guido was just frustrated on behalf of this person we know who lost months and money training and insuring young guys (all living at home) to work in his construction company, only to have them quit after three days of work complaining that it’s too hard.
Welcome to Italy! Sadly it is difficult to get general things done and done smoothly! However all is well and all will be well and you will find someone better ♥️♥️♥️
My husband and I just watched this video and we had the same exact response. We both said that this is among our favorite videos of yours. Only because we plan on retiring there and we need to know the reality of living in Italy. We both feel so bad for you and Guido. The man who stormed off angry was so wrong in treating you this way, very unprofessional. You will get through this challenging situation. And who knows, maybe the new contractor will do an even better job and then it will have been meant to be this way. Stay strong as a couple and take care of yourself as the baby grows. Hugs to you.❤️❤️
Having worked in construction for almost 40 years I’ve found out that this sort of thing happens everywhere - not only in Italia. Small comfort I’m sure.
I feel you guys! I also get so frustrated with everything that is involved with our home renovation here in Tuscany as well, like I’ve mentioned to you before. It’s especially hard to even understand how things work here if you aren’t italian. We have to move in soon and our house is no where near ready… Thanks for sharing your “real experience” because it makes me feel like we aren’t the only ones struggling….
We are quite lucky because my husband does all the electrical part of the house… so if you guys need a good, honest, hard working electrician let me know and I can tell my husband. 😉
Well I felt bad complaining but that was my hope - that anyone else experiencing problems or delays might at least feel comforted knowing it’s so common for Italians and foreigners. Good luck! 😘
Bongiourno Kylie and Guido, this has been such an interesting conversation because since Covid came along it is much like this even in New Zealand and we have trouble getting building materials and tradesmen are hard to get now as they are so busy. It is also interesting to hear about the welfare system in Italy as it is much the same here in New Zealand. I lam addicted to your videos about your life in Tuscanny. I had a chuckle to see Guido getting angry because he also seems so easy going, but I can quite understand his and your frustration. I look forward to the next episode.
Warmest wishes to you both from Wellington New Zealand. Ciao, Joanna.
WEF? Is that you Q?
Sometimes ppl just have bad days, sometimes it’s hot outside- he probably already regrets being an ass - since you’re halfway through maybe call him back : offer to discuss the job phases over lunch and a Chianti- who knows maybe his dog died etc - most of the time when ppl behave like this there’s something else going on. It’s unpredictable/unprofessional but humans will human- I had a chef throw a duck because he couldn’t cook it and then later he apologized that his dad was in hospital. Good luck
Dear Kylie and Guido, it's apparent to me that he gave you the high price thinking you would refuse...he wanted out.... You agreed and he left anyway.... I'm so sorry to see so much dishonesty in this world. It's been a painful wakeup call for me. I pray this will all work out for you. Sometimes I've noticed that when all seems hopeless God comes through. Last minute. 💙🙏
My thoughts exactly
Exactly what I was thinking too! He set you, Guido and Kylie, up to fail, he was never going to finish!
We had a similar experience here in Nova Scotia Canada with a contractor. He left us high and dry when he got a better offer elsewhere with a bank deadline for completion looming. We were just as outraged.
Turned out to be a blessing in disguise as we found fantastic individual trades to get it done for less money so hopefully the same for you lovely lovebirds! XO
Here in Canada (specifically Ontario)we are going through the same thing! I know restaurant owners that can't find servers or dishwashers because they can stay home and get paid. In trades, some people are lazy and don't want to get up early or work long hours. The only people who will work hard are the migrant workers who come to work for wineries and farms. What has happened to getting a job and doing it to the best of your abilities and work your way up the ladder. Governments are to blame. I knew things were bad in Italy but I never thought it would be like here. Stay strong and get Kylie's father over there fast! Once again, thank you for a wonderful video. You and Guido look so healthy and happy together, that's what really matters.
Sorry to hear the situation with the builder . We are well aware of the building problems in Italy. We are restoring a 300 year old stone farmhouse ourselves in the Abruzzo region. We are from the UK with Italian residency , with the assistance of our architect we have established our own building company, paying the Italian taxes IVA . So we can now legally build and restore our own property . This will take us some considerable time , however we are now in control with our own project. We also started a CZcams channel Brambletye , about the restoration and our lifestyle . We wish you all the best and thoroughly enjoy your vlogs both quality and content. Lynn Steve & Button (dog )
Your own company for renovating? 😳
@@cosettapessa6417 Yes we are 'Costruzione di Brambletye' with partita IVA fully fledged building company based in Italy
@@Brambletye. wow. And you dismantle it when you finished the renovation?
@@cosettapessa6417 I think you refer to the scaffolding ponteggi .. we own all of the scaffolding and I will remove everything when i finish the job its fairly straight forward to remove not a big job. We will then use the scaffolding for the barn we have which is quite large.
@@Brambletye. dismantle the company
Thank you Kylie. How frustrating. But me and others will learn from your experience! Very insightful video🌱
Oh my, so sorry to hear of this, but love the ending, you are both so sweet, fun and funny, and trying to stay positive. Always look forward to your videos!
I am so sorry about what happened to you and I hope for you guys that you solve this situation as soon as possible and before your baby arrives!! However, the way you are portraying things such as Italian cultural work habits, the lack of employees mainly in the touristic sector because they would rather take the "Reddito di Cittadinanza" than work is not entirely true! Reddito di cittadinanza is not the cause of people not wanting to work, rather the fact that the contracts are only seasonal and the pay might be low, perhaps? and people need more stability. A little more objectivity would not put Italy in such a bad light maybe. I completely understand where you are at and where your judgement comes from. Your bad experience might have made this all sour? Many thanks, you guys for your videos!
We had the unemployment “on steroids “ here in the USA too, people were paid more to stay home. It’s gone now since last September but there’s still a labor shortage.
It is not gone! I'm in touch with the general public every single day, and it's only getting worse!
Your experience is such a drastic difference from what we are watching in another blog called LEAW ( leave everything and wander), this young couple is doing a renovation and their workers are amazing in the Torino area. The only difference is , the work being done is a program
It was a pleasure to see you speak ❤ about your difficulties ❤️💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐
Hang in there, you both are so talented, no doubt things will turn out fabulously. I appreciate you both being super real with us, your viewers, on life and work challenges in Italy. Thank you for all you do with your outstanding platform you’ve created. Much appreciated!
Glad that you shared your experience and I hope that your frustration has lessened a bit. Much good luck with finding another contractor. Eventually, you will look back at this and remember this as another adventure. Tanti auguri!
You two are such a genuine people. I would be honoured to have you as my friends. God bless you 🙏
Bad things work for the best, God works in mysterious ways.
Everything will work out.
So sorry for your bad experience, am glad you are sharing it, as we think all is perfect with you guys, the reality is all of us encounter issues in life, the key is how we react to bad experiences.
We love you ❤
So sorry you are going through this. And thank you for bringing this topic up, this is something that needs to be discussed in every household right now across the globe. This mindset is a virus sweeping through every single country and its not going to play out well for anyone.
I love your “realness” and ultimately your positivity! Positive thoughts that the renovation will come to fruition before the baby comes!
I hired an assistant during 2020, I took on large projects thinking I had help, once the government provisions set in, she ghosted me. I slept very little for weeks doing the work by myself. I know exactly where to find her but I am waiting for the day she walks past me in the street to see if she can look me straight in the eyes.
I have to say that your conversation with Guido was both enlightening and endearing. Watching the two of you get blindsided by a problem, grapple with it in a lengthy discussion about the difficulties in Italy (very interesting), and then end with a hopeful plan of action, is the stuff that strong marriages and great memories are made. I have no doubt this is only a bump in the road, and you will have heat and a bathroom for that little one in no time (or at least by winter). Sending best wishes to you both from Florida ( also too hot)
My heart goes out to you two. And yes, it happens everywhere, and it always stinks when it does. I wish you a better chapter ahead. In the mean time, you look so beautiful Kylie. Much love from Laguna Beach.
Hang in there! You both have good shining hearts and don't be afraid to always let it shine. Naturally, it's also true to vent your frustrations when needed.
wow this is a real talk! I think this is a societal issue. I work for a small firm and we lost 3 assistants this month for more money and without much negotiation to stay. it's pretty devastating as those left are saddled with the work. 😥 no loyalty or work ethic.
Or maybe pay the assistants better wages? I’m sure they would be more “loyal” then.
I’m a muralist. I work by creating a quote and once it is signed and accepted, we sign a contract and I am paid 50% upfront. The second half is paid after acceptance of completion. I can’t imagine not following through on a contract (I also can’t imagine not wanting to work by the hour because jobs ALWAYS take longer than anticipated). I consider it my responsibility to provide a quote that is realistic for me. It is my word. I have completed jobs that took much longer than expected and still have never changed the price mid-job. I firmly believe being accommodating and honoring your word reaps more work. And it just feels good. I am sure your project will still all work out in some way and the bathroom will be magnificent.
Dear Kylie and Guido, I am so very sorry that this has happened to you. I so appreciate your video in moving forward in trying to renovate a home in Napoli. It's been years just getting paperwork completed. I pray it all works out for you both, especially before your baby arrives. 💕
It happens in England too !! Heart goes out to you, but if any two people can find a way through this and get it sorted, then it's you two. Wishing you tenacity, successful outcomes and practical solutions xx
22:40 Guido brings up a very important point about a culture shift happening not just in Italy but worldwide. And it has a lot to do with social media influence on us especially the youth.
I fully agree.
This culture glorifies and rewards only narcissistic attitude, a life solely for self-realization, a lack of empathy and responsability for community as a whole.
I’m lost… who is the “Managing Class” of Italians who will rule the rest? The big Mansion owners?
Sounds very stressful especially with a baby on the way. Hopefully you can get the renos you wish to complete on the home all sorted out before the baby's arrival. Sending you two positive vibes, your channel is such a joy to watch💜💜
Oh, I am so sorry you have to go through this 🙈..especially because I know how it feels. Me and my husband renovated our home two years ago and we are still recovering from the stress. We changed three contractors in the process, all three caused more and more trouble, damaged materials, months of stress and so on. In the end we had to ask my father and an uncle to come and help us and we are forever grateful they were able to come and renovate our home.
I hope you will be able to find a good person to help you finish the renovation, someone professional and competent and patient.
Until then , try to stay calm, though I know it is hard :))
Hugs and kisses
Diana
Renovations can bring up intense situations and feelings. May an amicable reconciliation result. Peace and calm to all involved. May a very good contractor come to you easily and quickly.
Kylie and Guido so sorry this happened, you are such good people. Nowadays it seems hard work and integrity are "old-fashioned" unfortunately. I agree with you that it is a satisfying feeling to work hard with honesty and decency!! Best wishes for a good contractor soon☀️
Dear Kylie and Guido, thank you for sharing this discussion with us. I find it captivating to learn a bit more about how the italian system works. To some extent, I can relate about what you are going through because some of the issues you mentionned about welfare and having difficulties finding people to work in certain fields is true in France as well. I totally understand and feel how this situation is in many ways frustrating and upsetting. This is indeed very interesting to learn and understand your struggles and what so many people in Italy are going through with construction work. But in the midst of this crisis, you have still managed through this week's video to make us feel many emotions ranging from being frustrating for you, surprised for how things work in Italy to finally laughing with you and getting some perspective on the situation. Thank you for sharing your experience while still managing to keeping it light, human and having hope for the future! This will get done for sure, good luck to you both until you get there! I wish you a relaxing week-end =)
I just wanted to say that I love you guys, all I can offer on top of your other insightful and intelligent comments is that this is the rain before your rainbow. Your love and joy in each other will get you through any frustrating hurdle. Ciao from Queensland xoxo
It's a sad state of affairs and I had no idea that other countries were having the same work ethic issues as in the US until I read some of the comments. Perhaps Guido's idea to hire your father will work out!
Just today I was talking to a landscaper who said every summer he had to turn away workers, there were more than he needed. Now the workers come for a job interview only to prove to the government that they tried to get a job, only to requalify for unemployment again. As in Italy, and other countries, the government is paying workers to stay home! Oh, I am so sorry this happened to you two.
Sorry Guido but that view out the window may have been the star of that scene. Seriously though we appreciate you sharing the “real life” parts of the renovation. So many times you see on HGTV only the beauty and not the beast ❤️❤️☀️☀️🇮🇹🇮🇹
Haha! Isn’t it lovely - I kept trying to get the view and Guido’s exasperation in the same frame! 😂
@@KylieFlavell you did capture the bellezza and the bathroom is going to be so beautiful. It’s a part of the adventure as you said. Get a gelato guido! Pistachio è il mio preferito. Grazie mille
My heart goes out to you all, what a frustrating and maddening situation to say the least! All added stress you don’t need, especially while expecting. I hope and pray it will all be dealt with quickly.
So sorry for this inconvenience to you guys. You show us the reality of renovation in Italy. It happens all over. There are too many people that want to rip off others. And inflation is global now. Very hard times. Stay positive and find the right contractor to finish your project. Till next week.
Do you have a public forum in Italy for rating a contractor? Here in the US we can "rate" someone's services and help people decide if that contractor is worthy of a good recommendation. This is such a stressful situation. Maybe report the contractor to your governing board. I am hopeful there are rules of engagement that contractors must follow in order to keep their licenses?
I share your frustration with the situation- we have very similar problems in my country - Africa 😂😂😂- I did not take offense 🤣🤣🤣. Just open a bottle of wine and relax - all will be fine in the end.😉 Lots of love to you two!❤️❤️❤️
I can relate to contractor situation. I am getting bids and some don’t show up for estimate, some show up and give no estimate, and a few do work out. I hate the process and just want the project done. Such a relatable topic.
Thank you for sharing. Have heard so many times about problems with construction companies or individual workers in Italy either not completing work and bailing out or disappearing or never coming as agreed. Sorry to hear you have to go through that trouble. Hopefully better option will come up and you’ll be able to finish soon whatever you started. Best of luck ❤️
We are embarking on a renovation of our own with a recent purchase of a piccola casa in Calabria. This conversation of the state of work ethic with the general younger generation is, I believe a Western, global concern. We live in Canada and and I was raised stateside, (originally from Spain) My husband is Swiss and lived around the world, including your Australia. Both of our parents have always worked and sacrificed for our education, however we both have always worked while in school, and in fact, since 12 years old within the family restaurant/hospitality business and all through university. As a business owner & chef now for many years, I have seen the gradual shift of work ethic among the generations of my work team. All great “kids” , but it’s very interesting how the perception of work has changed. The notion of applying oneself to a discipline, while learning about what it means to be responsible and credible (doing what you say), and learning how to “adult” and be held accountable for your decisions and contribution. It’s certainly different from how we were raised. Perhaps we sound old (55) and that may be the case, but I would hope that there is a return to the crafts and artisan trades that have been held in high esteem over the centuries. We need to return to this sense of pride in one’s work. Best of luck in the renovation and thank you for sharing! 🙏💗💪
So glad you made this video. Very well said!! There has been a great shift in the work ethic of this generation. I believe that this entitlement comes with a enormous LOSS OF PRIDE. XOXO 💕
Even I'm frustrated for you! But don't worry. You and Guido are such a great team & I know this will be resolved. I'll be praying for this whole process to go smoothly. I wish things were simpler. I wish I could fly over there to help! But I will be praying from here. 🙏 sending you warm hugs from Chicago 🙋♀️🌻
You are both so incredibly hard working! I hope you will have a skilled construction team, with work values that match your own, willing & able to complete the work very soon!
Such an interesting conversation. I do believe it is generational. I, like you Kylie, couldn't wait to work and earn my own money. I was so proud that I was able to provide for myself, and it resulted in a healthy self esteem.
Now it makes sense that when I look online for homes to buy in Italy, that many beautiful older homes look to be abandoned. Some homes look like there has been some renovations but then abandoned. It’s so sad, there are amazing older homes that could be repaired and saved.
Sorry that you are going through this frustrating situation. Try not to get too stressed over it. The system isn’t working for anyone in Italy, that’s why so many younger people move out of Italy and find work and live in other EU countries. Also, Covid hasn’t helped the situation, even here in USA,
people don’t want to go back to work.
Gosh, I just want to give you both a big hug! I hope it will all work out in the long run. ❤
So sorry to hear of this difficulty has come up. Prayers this situation will resolve for you all soon! Stay positive:)
Sounds like he got in over his head and instead of admitting it he created a scenario where he could walk off the job. It’s the same in the United States. I gutted a house and rebuilt it experiencing this same type of traumatic experience. That was years ago. Now, it’s worse. No one wants to work. This is the last thing you need while expecting a baby.
Exactly what I thought!
The whole world is changing and not for the better. It is scary. So sorry for your situation, hopefully you can sort it out. Best of luck.
I am so sorry you both have this hiccup. Hope everything turns out ok. Please Kylie, please try to take and try to not stress yourself about the renovation. Renovation is a very difficult and stressful thing. Guido has so much in his mind. Hope everything finishes fast so that you both can relax. Sending you all my love. ❤️❤️
Sorry to hear of this. Not needed when you are expecting, and just when you have the work on the house underway. I hope you can recover from this quickly, so that when your baby is born, you have a safe and comfortable environment!
You guys are hysterical! I love watching your “adventures”! Just when you think you want to live in Italy…….I sure hope you find an honest hard working contractor soon! If I were a contractor in America I would be on my way to Italy….
Hi Kylie this is so hard to hear… I am just beginning renovations in a property I got in my hometown in Tuscany. My position is very similar to Guido’s one, we have known this construction company for long time so I hope I do not have to go through what you had this morning. My heart is with you two an I hope you’ll find a solution soon ❤️
Unfortunately this is something it is happening everywhere. I work remotely as HR manager for an Australian company and I know from experience and colleagues that some people receiving centrelink support send blank applications or clearly say “please do not call me I prefer stay on centrelink payment”!… please do not get me wrong, I love Australia and its systems, so much more fair than Italian ones but “Tutto il mondo è paese” and you’ll find similar experience wherever you go.
Sadly in Italy there is the old idea that if you go to a technical school and go to work straight after, becoming a Plummer, electrician or similar you are not as good, as “worth” as someone who did classic/scientific high school and went to Uni, graduated and build a career (hopefully!)
Of course this doesn’t apply if you define yourself as an Artigiano… you get so much more respect because you’re doing art and not labour job (even if sometimes there is no much difference).
I think the only “cure” for this is not just travelling, but moving and living in a foreign country for a while. It is such an eye opening experience, it makes you questions so much of your believes and those things you thought all your life were normal.
Then you go back to your home and not only see clearly the faults but you actively want to fix them!
At least, this is what happened to me :)
Sorry for the endless comment!
Buona fortuna … I am sure everything will be fine in the end!
To be done it was worth it in the end. We are all so happy living in it now! I’m sure this will eventually be the case for you both and your new baby. So sorry you are going through this, I remember it was so frustrating, especiallly the not knowing when.
What a bummer of an episode. It's infuriating to hear the difficulties you guys have had to experience throughout your renovations. I jus know with your positive outlook, everything will work out in the end. Andrà tutto bene, vedrai!
I think this is pretty much a universal experience, not just in Italy, hahahaha. I work in the interior design industry (London and Sussex based) and it's incredible how all builders are the same. Delays, bad manners, unprofessionalism; I could go on. When you find a good one, keep them very close and treat them with white gloves; they are quite unpredictable!
Kylie I'm from the Sunshine Coast in Australia & I have been having these conversations aswell. You're both discussing a few topics in one. Work ethics, welfare attitude & social attitude changes. I can't help but think that my generation of parents are raising little HRH's because of the system of affluence that has arisen since the 90s.
In Oz too ~ and it runs across all sectors of life. You're right. Since the 90s we've spoiled children and now we have the fruits that are spoiled.
Hi Gwen, I’m also from the sunny coast👋
Hello guys 👋
We live in the SW in the USA in a rural area and we have the same issue finding contractors and reliable people to work. It's very frustrating. We finally found someone who is amazing and trustworthy. I'm sure you will find the right person / person's to do the work you need done. All the best to you both.
The both of you are such earthy , loving and blessed couple and to have such a disappointment now will find others that have ethics plus the skills and will get through this Do not let the situation destroy your optimism or trust that there are descent workers who do have the respect for the work they do ! Love you both and this is another stepping stone in the journey you are on together ! Bless you both for being you because you are a treasure in this world.
I'm watching the rest and shaking my head- it's just the same here in Belgium with workers and jobs that are more difficult physically- people just don't want to work! I remember having an apprentice in our bakery- someone that actually decided to learn how to be a baker- and after a few days he just quit- it's too difficult. Same goes for people who just need to work in the shop and sell bread- they will come for a week and then ask for sick note for two weeks- and we have to pay them a full price the first month- before the state will pay them (half of it of course). Same goes for people here who prefer to get state benefits than go to work. I feel sometimes like an old woman (and I'm 44)- when I feel that the world is not changing for the better. Big hugs to you!
Yes, that’s what we keep hearing here. Small business owners take weeks or months to train younger people and then they quit after a few days.
@@KylieFlavell Meanwhile, someone like me with more than 20 years of experience cannot get a single interview, presumably because of my age. 🤯
So true. Our generation begged for extra hours when we had a job as a student. No it’s the boss who has to beg to the student if he needs them to do extra hours. Their answer: Nope, I have a social life! This generation has been spoiled by their parents. Not all of them, but a lot. The day we did get 18 we rushed for our drivers licence so happy it would gives us freedom. Now they rush for their drivers licence the day they get a real job after uni. 5 years later they encounter their first mid life crisis. Doesn’t surprise me at all. Reality check, bend or brake. And the government loves to pamper them for their votes.
@@RockStarVee Just keep trying! Never give up. You will find the right job!
@@diedelieV The Government is creating communism and it started in school . People need to wake up fast as the Governments all over the world have succeeded in the calapps of humanity to bring in their one world order .
You nailed it Kylie. It’s cultural and generational, and it’s happening everywhere. In the USA, young people have an epidemic of so-called mental health disorders and by the time they are preteens, they are labeled as “Disabled” and will live off the government for a lifetime. The worst thing is, there are some people who NEED the help, but those able-bodied people who are not willing to work are taking from those who truly can’t work. It is global, shockingly, after reading through many comments here. I knew it was bad in the USA and Canada, but had no idea that it was as bad in so many other nations. That should make us ALL aware of the bigger agenda here.
Can't wait to renovate in Italy after having seen this, haha... I wish you well and a fast resolution of the situation!
So sorry this is happening for you all as you embark upon parenthood. Breathe deep and all will eventually work out. We have traveled Italy several times and love the Umbria area of Citta della Pieve, where our cousin had a home. We dreamt of buying and renovating, but gosh it seems extremely difficult. My husband is a master craftsman and finisher and also a construction guru so we have that going for us. I hope you have great news by next week! We love watching your adventures as you guys make your dreams come true. But the reality in life is there are setbacks, so you are handling a big one right now, so sorry. It is no different here in America for construction, welfare or politicians. Integrity is a serious problem for the world! Teach your child hard work! My son had to help his dad learn skills, and he has just graduated college as well. Both can help you in life. You and Guido are very hard-working, one of the reasons we admire you both. Best of luck this week in finding a solution!!!
Move forward leave the negative not meant to be find a new builder that values his clients and always have an agreement in writing..it's best to agree on a quote and time frame to complete the work . Do not worry it's frustrating and everyone has a story like this when it comes to renovations!
So sorry to hear of your trouble with the hired person you chose for this job. If you get an attorney to force him to finish a job may be dangerous because if he finishes a part of the work, he may do a crappy job that looks o.k. on the surface, but then you have trouble down the road with his work. I would look for someone different completely.
Very insightful....Enjoyed hearing your heart's in light of the difficulties. Thank you for your transparency.
A real insight into Italian life and workforce! Thank you and I hope it gets sorted quickly for you 🙏🤞
A wonderful episode, natural and real.
Some times God takes someone out of your life to protect you. Don’t run after them. This guy would have continue to hold you over a barrel and make your life miserable. You will find someone. You will have to find a professional crew. The job will get done faster.
I feel your pain we have a structure problem that needs to be repaired and the bids are high and everyone is busy and they don’t call back etc etc.
You two will be in my prayers. Good luck 🍀
I am in Australia... I did kitchen hand work, cafe service whilst a student and this was the norm. My children worked in fast food and kitchens from 14 years of age whilst at high school...they enjoyed earning their own money and I believe it has given them a very good work ethic now as adults.
I’m certain it has. 😊
We are facing the same issues in Canada due to unemployment incentives. Feels like our entire global social structure is changing. Hang in there, thankyou for this informative and touching content.
100%. Renovating in Italy can totally be a nightmare. I work incredibly hard to keep client's renovation experiences as transparent and stable as possible, but I have to remember my limitations as a real estate agent. This is a constant battle that baffles me even today and is no different here in the northern lakes. So sorry to hear about your experience.
I love you both , you’re amazing together 🥰
I know only to well of this behaviour also as an Australian 🇭🇲 living in Italy 🇮🇹❤️✌️
At the moment I'm trying to negotiate a monthly price on a rental property , it's becoming more difficult theses days.
The past 2 plus years we've all had so many challenges and things global are very difficult to find especially when it comes to building materials. Stay safe and well everyone Ciao Wendy 😘❤️😘
My heart breaks for you both 🙁 I’m praying things will work out & the job gets completed 🙏🏼🇨🇦❤
All will be well Kylie and Guido. You have each other, a healthy baby on the way, and all the essentials. All manner of things are and will be well 💚