The MAM Journals- Living with a Royal Enfield 865 Big Bore
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- The 5th and Final video on my Big Bore Royal Enfield 865 . The videos have covered the journey from original conception , through the design, test and build process and this video goes through my thoughts now , having ridden the bike for 6 months. What have I learned, what would I do differently and would I do it again? Hope you enjoy watching it as much as I have enjoyed the journey!
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When the young guy ask if it would go fast that must have brought a smile to your face! A waste of money! lol You should see what they do to tractors around here! One of my teachers use to teach kids how to restore old tractors in his shop class. The most popular class we had and now that those kids are older they love that teacher so much. Seeing it setting in your driveway with the vintage helmet is great. I bet you roaring around the neighborhood on the Enfield gets the Old Bitty's heart raising. lol Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
Good to hear from you Leigh . Yes . The young boy asking about speed was fun . I thought I would give him an answer he might remember . 😂 His face , when I told him it would blow your googles off, was priceless ..
@@michaelmam lol perfect
"Don't you regret wasting your money?"..... That gave me a good chuckle. I don't think modifying motorcycles or cars is ever good for the retirement accounts, just good for the soul. Money well spent.
😂 it was a ‘cracker’
It's good to hear your data on glazing and breaking-in first with mineral oil, then synthetic afterwards.
There are a lot of theories and opinions on that, and I'm glad to hear your Real World experience.
Does the bike need synthetic? It simply doesn’t rev high enough.
@@SvenTviking - The value of fully synthetic oil is its stable viscosity vs. temperature and its resistance to reduction of that broad temperature range due to oxidation resulting from heat. That means that any engine that goes from cold to hot in normal operation can benefit from synthetic oil.
It's be more accurate to say that the rings won't mate with the cylinder wall during the break in if the engine isn't run hard using mineral oil rather than synthetic, and that in turn causes blowback and then glazing
I agree . A great description of the process👍
But definitely thanks for the video, by the way!
So happy to see another video on this project. Previously I have mentioned that I am in Virginia, USA and bought two of the S&S 743cc ("750") big bore kits for my R.E.s.
I also own two of the 865cc Triumphs and they are heavier and have one less gear so I am hoping my 750INT will have similar performance. The same size 90mm pistons that are in the S&S kit for the Royal Enfield 650s are the standard size for the Triumphs; on the Enfield it figures to 863cc due to the difference in stroke, shorter on the R.E. Thanks again for the update Michael, excellent video.
Always good to hear from you ! How are you getting on with the 743 ?
@@michaelmam the machine shops are stacked with work so it was a 4 month wait on that alone; trying to have it finished soon.
Wonderful! I followed the project and did wonder if the bike still had the good engine braking of the 650 and you have answered that. Thanks for all of the explanations about the big bore 865. What a great bike!
I have thoroughly enjoyed your down to earth video delivery on this project. Lessons learnt (as expected it wasnt all smooth sailing) and your willingness to share with us for our benefit. I too have a big bore kit to fit this winter, the only real difference being I am already running a PCV and am debating whether to get my ECU remapped or use the Hitchcock's developed PCV map. Thanks for taking this project on Michael. good luck mate
Thank you Chris . Glad you have enjoyed it and found it useful 👍 Good luck with yours . I am having a lot of fun on mine .
I’ve always liked the RE 650 Interceptor. Your REBB 865 is a fine looking bike. Thanks for the time to show us around yours.
Here in L.A., being seen on a crowded freeway when you change lanes is crucial.
Big turn signals here are important.
Love it, the only thing that continually grabs my eye that isnt pleasant is the S&S cans position ie the heat shield facing directly up showing an ugly gap underneath ruining the lines of the pipes instead of 1/4rd out to each side, easily fixed in 3 minutes, otherwise shes a beauty 👌🏼
Agree Kell ..... my OCD keeps me focusing on that too
Excellent review. Thank you!
Another top video , what a great bike
Great journey, enjoyed it all ,well done, she is a beauty.
beautiful bike. nice job.
Don't forget that all the golden pinstripes on the tank and bike are hand painted..
Watch the royal Enfield factory in India video
Nice one Michael keep up the good work mate stay safe.
Thanks Boo.
Great job Michael...
Thank you Henry ..
I can see the joy in your face remembering riding the bike.Nothing wrong with big bore kit the bike still looks stock & has the added bonus of being a sleeper.
This would be a great bike to own if it ran on tubeless tyres. I remember having a rear-tyre puncture on the A1 on a KTM 950 Adventure. The back end was all over the place.
250 ml of oil in 500 miles would irritate me. Glad you had it fixed.
You are much more knowledgeable than most CZcams reviewers, especially the highly subscribed channels.
Perhaps there is a way to convert the rims to tubeless?
@@ultimatemassive9501it's piss easy to convert any tubed rim to tubless, just put some sealent over the spokes and some tape over that and they're air tight, and obviously you'll need a valve, it's a cheap and easy fix. Loads videos on CZcams
@@danielkerr4100 With the added bonus is losing about 2.5 lbs of unsprung weight
You’ve done a great job. Far better than The Missendon Flyer’s custom job.
I felt sorry for him . He was completely stitched up . Thought he was right to publish the story though . Might save people a bad experience 👍
I think if you are looking at a Royal Enfield and ask well how fast does she go you do not have a very good understanding of motorcycles or their engine designs. This is not a 200 hp 16k rpm revving inline 4 super sport motorcycle. If that is what you are looking for then you want a Yamaha R1.
This particular engine design is a low revving tractor of an engine that pushes gobs of torque at lower rpms making it a hard accelerating bike in the low to mid range and makes for great fun on twisty back roads as you can use the engine torque to flip the bike around in the corners.
I live in the USA and over here we do. Ot have near the tuning restrictions that I have observed of the builds in Europe. I have a dealership In my hometown that also is a speed shop that with high compression pistons, cams, some port work, 2 into 1 exhaust, and a power commander has squeaked 90hp and 90 lb-ft. of torque out of the stock 650cc bore. Now, to put that into perspective a 2022 stock Yamaha R1 super sport makes 198hp and 83 lb-ft. of torque and at much higher revs using two extra cylinders and 348cc more displacement.
Now, using the big bore kit and performing very similar porting and head work with all the same add-ons and a custom tune, he is getting around 125 rwhp and 120 lb-ft. of torque which makes the Continental GT an absolute monster off the line. I was dumbfounded when he showed me the dyno sheets upon visiting the dealership but was even more impressed when he showed me the bikes and fired them up for me.
Could you make this bike go 175 to 200 mph I suppose with the proper chain wheel setups and wheel and tire sizes sure, but my question is why do you need that much top-end speed and then where in the sam hell are you going to safely run 200mph on the street? The more you gear for top-end the greater your sacrifice in bottom-end grunt and launch capability. If the bike tops out at 125 to 135mph in stock configuration and then you triple your power output think about how much quicker you are going to reach those speeds providing you can keep the front-end on the ground and the back tire from melting out from under you. Just saying.
This is not meant to be a Supersport bike it is for those that want to go tearup a canyon road, or twisty country road where quick throttle response, good engine braking, and plenty of low rev torque will pull you from one chicane to the next without ha ing to be heavy on the brakes.
As far as lonv term reliability is concerned, I have run S&S performance kits in several Harley-Davidson motorcycles over the last 35 years and have had them hold up better than OEM Harley Performance parts. If you are going to take a bike and build it to play with you can be assured that S&S parts are going to hold up to the task. That being said, any part can fail if you beat the snot out of it and do not routinely maintain it, but if you are not on a professional circuit pushing it to the outer limit on every pass a regular off season tear down, inspect, re-torque and new seals should keep your ride thumping along for miles upon miles. If you neglect it and just beat it sooner or later it's gonna fail. Again, just saying.
Anyway, I have a 2023 Continental GT ordered for the first quarter of 2023 and have the guys going to do the conversion and tuning to get me all the torque they can possibly squeeze out of it before I take delivery so around March to April I should have me a British Racing Green Mean Machine. I will try to get down to the shop and get video footage and dyno sheets for you all before and after the build up and then post it so you can see what these beauties are capable of. I will also document the cost and parts list provided they allow me to. Remember it isn't what motorcycle you ride on your journey, but the fact that you chose to ride a motorcycle on that journey at all that matters, and always keep the shiny side up. Cheers
Hi Michael I have ridden a standard bike it was really full of character albeit a bit modest this sounds a very good upgrade, almost bought one but went back to a Ducati Monster 600 as a great overall ride for little money. My bike has 888 forks and twin discs (doesn't need that) lightweight side exit exhausts sounds great and now a real classic? Good riding Noel
I bought a Ducati monster this year . Great fun 👍
Iget I don't quite understand the people who say you waste your money with 865 kit, you can ge a different bike, arguably a better bike with the money yes, but that is simply not the point. I want an 865cc royal enfield and that's the way to do it, thank you for your advice!
Well said ! this is how bikes have always been for me also . your HP result is perfect for a bike like this . I have a standard Kwaka W650 and though it is nice , I would prefer a 'little-more' ; more 'Sound' , more torque etc. I have an exceptionally tidy and modified (looks more 'British' now ) yamaha TR1 , it puts-out similar power to your Re , but isn't as light or 'flickable' , and gets heavier every year , but the sound and torque is glorious . You've gained another subscriber . Dave NZ
Thank you Dave . Glad you enjoyed the video . I like the W650 . Good bike ..👍
This is happiness
😂 Certainly makes me happy Ryan 👍
Thanks for all the info Michael.. it looks and sounds great. Only thing stopping me doing this is the price of the mods. Even after all the work it’s the same engine size and power as a Triumph T100 which is cheaper. I guess the joy is having something unique though.. enjoyed the video thank you.
Thank you . Glad you enjoyed it !
But it's Triumph, and he's made into his personality. Perfect. Once one gets KLS (Kan't leave stock) it is a incurable, lifetime sickness that I have yet to find a cure for.
RE are affordable & reliable. Also known of great gas mileage, i wonder how its affected after all the mods....
I think 865 is about what some of the Hinkley triumphs r? Sounds like a gd result Thanks for the vid 👍
Thanks for watching Karl . I have had a couple of retro Triumphs . Good bikes . I just fancied doing something a bit different and personal to me 👍
Have been following along and your bike is a great looking example of an Interceptor.
Who supplied the tail light you used, it looks great on the bike and I would like to do the same with mine.
Thanks for the great content.
Hi Daryl , sorry I can't remember where we got the tail light from other than ebay ! It wasn't very expensive and there were quite a few similar ones to choose from. I actually think I should have gone for something with small indicators..
I seem to have missed the soundtrack, I'll have to watch the series. Happily spending time and money on motorbikes isn't a waste of money, spending the better part of your life in the pub or the bookies is, or saving it all for HM Revenue and Cutsoms to take when you come to meet your maker! Visual mods look understated and tastefull, looks really cool with the lid and goggles hung on the mirror. You have to credit the Indian owners for the idea and financial gamble they have taken with this venture, however the buying public have shown that they want to ride this sort of bike, and that 270 degree twin is reason enough on its own. Enjoy riding your beautiful bike.
Thanks Neil . The video you watched is the last of 5 . 4 gives you all the detail of what we did and what it cost . Bike still with me and looking forward to riding it , this winter ..👍
@@michaelmam Enjoyed the series and loved the bike. I really fancy a Continental GT or "Conterceptor" hybrid with breathing exhausts, intake, suspension mods stickier tyres and HH spec brake pads. I think I need to reluctantly get rid of a couple of bikes to make room. Envious of the dry space you have to store your motorcycles, you can't have too many😂!
@@neiljarvis8911 sounds fun to me !
Be cool if RE makes a 900cc with higher compression. Get the HP up to mid 80s
Wanted to press "like" on the video but it was at 865 likes 😆
Good video, informative and down to earth. My question is that pricewise the mods take it into Triumph territory. Would you say it's now better than a stock bonneville?
For me , yes . Performance wise it is between the two triumphs and I like the individuality of it . Residual values are stronger on stock bikes but I will keep the bike a fair few years so academic ..
You've answered my concern about the more oversquare engine in the 865 changing the power characteristics. I didn't want to end up with something too buzzy, and it looks like I wouldn't. Thanks.
Want to see your other bikes? Yes Mam!!! Lol.
😂 just in case you couldn’t find the link ..czcams.com/video/RhoQUL71hgY/video.html
Wow my remap gave more mpg 80+ yours must throw buckets of fuel in, suppose mpg isn't your goal, thanks for showing what can be achieved.
Thank you that was a great update, you said that they flashed the ECU did I understand that properly, you do not have a piggy back ECU like a power commander, if I was to do the 865 and I'm thinking about it my preference would be to flash the current ECU, again thank you.
Cheers
Karl
Hi Karl , no piggy back . DWR remapped the ECU👍
@@michaelmam Thank you my friend.
DWR, Dave Wood Racing?
@@karlsquire8148 yes . At Buckingham👍
Had mine remapped over 2 years, makes a good difference even on a stock bike, place in Staffordshire did mine. Rev limit is raised to 8250 rpm also.
What about adding a Hitchcock cam just to make it perfect?
It has the S&S cam . Combined with the remap - it works well .👍
Seriously nice bike. What exhaust headers have you used.
Viv Cowley at V Moto built them as a custom . 👍
Check Cone Engineering.
About to start a similar project and just wondering what you did (if anything) to block off your O2 sensors?
The ECU was remapped . Sensors are fitted but to bespoke headers 👍
Watched garage video suggested by you... yeah, you obviously did not tune this Interceptor because of lack of powerful bikes in your life, no doubt in that. Now I'm even surprised you modified it at all - it would make total sense to own something slower that does not try to kill you with the twist of wrist.
😂.. the Interceptor is the slowest bike I have . I like it a great deal and it is probably safer, for me , now that I have upgraded the suspension and power . 👍
Hi there. When you put the performance clutch in, did it change clutch feel? Was it any heavier than standard? Thanks
Yes . It does lose a bit of it’s smooth, precise character . Neutral is now a knack .. but the big bore needs it 👍
Hi Michael from Australia!! Do you need to install a new/different cam shaft when putting on the big bore kit?? Great video thanks mate 🇬🇧🇦🇺
Hi Leigh ,We fitted the S&S cam which mostly increased the time the valves were open as opposed to how open they were. The ECU is mapped to match . Do you NEED to change the cam ? Probably. The BIg bore needs more fuel in and gases out and the standard cam would restrict that . I would actually like to try another Cam to understand what is out there and the impact but pleased with the S&S and just curious 👍
@@michaelmam thanks mate!!! Was gonna get a cam first.. and sns cam are they just bolt on and good to go??
@@leighmarino1318 I can’t remember what options they had 🤦 You may be able to fit an S&S cam for the standard bore which doesn’t require a remap ie good to go . We were always going 863 so didn’t really study that option. S&S will tell you in their info . They are helpful 👍
@@michaelmam you're a good man!! Thanks for the advice appreciate it all the very best from Aus 🇦🇺🇦🇺
Hi Michael, hope all is well with you. I'm just wondering, now that you have had the big bore kit for a while and you put some miles on it, 2 questions, how do you like it now and is it worth the money. you said in the vid 8 months ago it was, just wondering if you are still of the same feeling. Thanks Karl
Hi Karl , I have been out on the Big bore a couple of times this year and still really enjoy riding the bike . Starts on the button and has a lot of character . Likes to be properly warm before participating in high revs jinks and so much torque at 4500 to 6000 , which you have almost immediately . Great bike - for me worth the time and money . Looking forward to a tour of the Cotswolds in the spring . Might share some go pro ( if I can slow down for long enough 😂)
I’m doing a similar build. How bad did the clutch slip? Was going to try Hitchcock stronger spring set first. Thanks!
It was “done” in 300 miles 😂
Do think there would be a chance of it holding with 30% stronger springs?
@@chopsnpooh I don’t think so , if you do all the mods that take it to the same power level ? Might be worth a go though . The gear change is tougher with the heavy duty clutch 👍
gearing have you changed any sprockets
A tooth on the front . Pulls cleanly through the range ..👍
Hi Michael.
Sound like it is now a similar bike to a T100? I noticed you didn’t have a Triumph in the garage. Is there a reason for that?
Regards
Denis
Just saw the post where you advise you have had Triumphs in the past.
Hi Denis , I have had a few over the years but none survived the eternal shuffle that is my garage . Came close to getting the new Thruxton - a friend lent me his and I did a video comparison to my Z900 . Nice bikes just don’t have one at the moment 👍
How much bhp&torque does it produces ?
I say in the video and show the graph ?
The garage tour is at czcams.com/video/RhoQUL71hgY/video.html
To what degree does this worsen the fuel economy of the bike?
Takes it into the 50’s ridden enthusiastically but with a little restraint . 60’s if accelerating but legalish ..
if you are worried about fuel economy , I would leave it as a standard bike 👍
top speed ?
I haven’t tried it but , with the extra tooth on the front and the fact that it will rev out , in theory , 115 -120 . Standard bike has been tested at 110 ..
Half my money I spent on cars, bikes, guns and women, the other half I wasted.
😂👍
Can’t see the point. My triumph datona 955! Get better fuel economy🤫
Each to their own .. 👍 If you think about fuel economy you are unlikely to see the point ..
Is this the bike Stewart rode ? ,, well done .
Thank you Brian . I have let a few people have a ride but not sure ? Which Stewart ?