Pre-1933 Gold coins NGC open box - Which will straight grade and which are "cleaned"?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- The gold coins I sent to NGC came back and....well, watch the video to see how NGC graded them.
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I adore the close ups to the US gold, it's my goal to eventually get an 1853 gold $1! Preferably graded.
I can't understand how NGC could justify calling those 3 coins cleaned. Definitely coins to crack out. That is a beautiful $3 gold piece though.
I concur
Thanks for doing these videos. I also think you got robbed. I would enjoy seeing what PCGS says about those three coins. Thanks. 😀👍
Yes!!!!! Crack out challenge Ben, Do it bro
My guess is At very least 1 will come back with a straight grade maybe even 2 will
I don't know how totell if a gold coin has been cleaned, but i do know I'd love to have any of them in my collection.
The 10$ piece is stunning
I think it’s design is the best of all versions of Pre 33 US Gold and silver coins to date.
I think the reason you dispute the cleanings is because your looking at the fields. You need to look at the high points and you can easily see the wiped areas with luster break..
Interesting video, thank you. US gold coins from that period have some very beautiful designs.
I also like the word “preposterous” and will aim to use it daily from now on.
Very cool gold coins thx for sharing ben
Damn, the luster on those so-called coins seems real to me, as the cart wheels I see. Maybe on the chin on that one coin, was cleaned, yet all your cleaned coins looked good to me. I am not sure if I like NGC, I am a PCGS type of guy. I agree with you.
I agree with you one the 3 coins graded cleaned.
Insane😳Send em 👍Awesome content!!Let the games begin💥
Wow beautiful coins! never been a big graded coin guy but it would be cool to have some graded gold circulated coins! love that $10 indian I have yet to get me some indian Gold!
I usually agree with NGC most of the time but for them to call those 3 coins cleaned is just prosperous. I've seen cleaned gold coins before and I own gold coins that have been cleaned and those coins have NOT been cleaned. They have beautiful luster and under magnification you can see almost that pixelated look of the gold. Those coins never saw circulation and where most likely tucked away after they came out of the mint. NGC needs to get their shit together.
Great video. I agree on the cleaning issue. Those don’t appear cleaned and after watching your video, I will be checking my gold pieces that I purchased as uncirculated. On older uncirculated pieces, I mostly have pre 33 U.S. gold, Mexican Pesos, British Sovereigns and several one and four Austrian Ducats. (I’m not worried about the Ducats because they’re restrikes.) All of which were purchased over a lifetime and when gold was under $1300 Troy oz.
I have always planned to have all the pre 33 gold and some semi key pesos graded by NGC. But after the experience you shared with NGC I May research PCGS and would like to see what results you got with PCGS. Everyone knows that gold is soft and simply owning a gold coin for 100 years, even in a safe or secure box coinage can touch a stronger metal or maybe it was placed in a cloth bag and rubbed against other coins.
It seems that NGC was wrong especially on the 3 of your pieces. I have a few $10 Indian Heads that I purchased from APMEX or JM Bullion for basically the price of spot gold that are the same grade of 63 and 64 graded by PCGS that look similar to what you have but are not listed as cleaned. I noticed that the slabs and labels were from around 1990’s and they could have been more liberal in their grading of gold. Just a guess. Great job on the video By The Way.
I always appreciate you sharing your coins with us. Great stuff. Having said that, I don't want to be harsh but the $20 may sneak by...but the 2.5 is harshly cleaned...and the $5 has the look too. Kinda shocked you got the $3 and Indian $10 through. Had I been the grader I would have likely body-bagged the lot...maybe letting the $3 pass (though I would have graded it 55 :) ) . With gold the hairlines are one thing to look for, but also how the luster plays off the coin. Often recessed areas will show originality while contrasting with the exposed areas that were more directly cleaned. Doug Winter has some great articles and videos with Coinweek that are worth a study - that dude is an expert on US gold. In any event - keep up the great content, and good luck on your regrades, you never know, you could get lucky.
That’s harsh senator 32 the whole lot in a body bag lol
I respect your opinion greatly though especially on these types of coins. What’s up on doing another live feed ? Those were freaking awesome, so many cool coins
I appreciate the tips. I'm not always sure the video shows what I see, but I think I know what you are referring to. I'll look into Doug Winter.
@@TheCoinGeek You know your stuff and seeing a coin in hand is the only real way to grade it, but just wanted to give my 2 cents from what I saw in the video. Gold coins are the only coins I refuse to buy unless I have seen them in hand - the grading varies to wildly (seen Saints graded 66 I would grade 63) and pictures can hide a lot of hairlines. In any event - looking forward to seeing the results of your grading.
#respect
That 32 indian is outstanding
1:09 wow
Lovely coin even though it's cleaned 🤩
Hi Ben, Luster flow is not correct on your UNC detailed coins.. IMO very lucky to get $10 Indian graded. NGC & PCGS tend to be more forgiving on $3 gold. Have a great evening. PNG Dealer.
Chances are that these pieces belonged to individuals which kept them for years as a form of rainy day as their prized possessions. Perhaps e(especially the small denominations)
Hey Ben. Thanks for the video. I’ve been very disappointed with NGC lately on my PCGS Morgan crossovers (two crossed out of eight). Not sure what they are trying to prove but might be time to change TPG’s for me.
Well, many of our CZcams family think it's time for ANACS to take a hold -
Cleaned or not NGC will make those idiotic calls to control the population. PCGS I think would have let those three go. You do have some beautiful coins but I would hold back a little from NGC and when u see questionable coins that u feel (might) be a candidate for cleaned I would send those to PCGS. Great video and the coins are beautiful Have a great day !
It really sucks when we are spending all this money to have these coins graded and they all come back cleaned, there is a really big difference between cleaned and what they call cleaned! Even if the coin was cleaned with chemicals and a microfiber if it's in great condition it should still get that grade like that MS64 $10 Indian! That is a gorgeous coin in excellent condition And you got a really good grade but even if it was cleaned you still should have got that 64 as long as there isnt visible cleaning marks! I'm so afraid to send in my gold coins they're all pre 33.
Thank you for these videos, as much is learned from them. No need to ask forgiveness (per your comments on "cleaned"). For ONLY TWO TP Organizations TO HAVE SUCH A (NEAR) MONOPOLY on coin grading...is disgusting in itself. The arrogance shown by these "graders" is really over the top (personal experience). At some point, BOTH COLECTORS AND INVESTORS...must "throw these bums out". Truly...THEY are destroying this industry under the pretense of "protecting" it. Thank you again.
This was a great Video, Thanks Ben
Love the channel
Did you make this youtube channel to fund your coin grading addiction? I know sending in those beautiful coins to get a cleaned label put on them can't be a profitable venture! But you seem like you have a great shop and a wealth of knowledge! The most entertaining channel on youtube!
Thanks- trust me I get to fund half of one slab per video-
I think I just get enough to pay for the word “artificial” on the label! 😂
I think that gold that is over 100 years old should not look like it’s fresh from the mint unless it’s a proof, gold luster is somewhat different than silver luster. There is a appearance that may look orange to a rose goldish haze that presents an original surface. But at the same time it’s still subjective. Nice coins nonetheless
Please send to pcgs. I'm curious to see what they think. Beautiful coins I don't see why they called them cleaned
I think the commenters who complain about your analysis of the grading might be accounts made by PCGS or NGC to dissuade you from exposing instances of their sub-par grading!
Conspiracy theories abound!! Thanks.
I'd be upset too.Just as I commented on one of your vids about this.No way are those coins cleaned.When coins are cleaned,they lose that top layer of luster, and is gone forever, those still have luster and cartwheel effect. Way to go NGC
I think a Certified grader when it says other then Just grading it should have to explain how they came to that conclusion. IMO cleaning should be pronounced and in more then one spot and for all we know on fine scratches on a single spot could have been done by a number of things besides cleaning or even at the mint. Sometimes I think they do this to keep populations on graded coins where they are to keep prices a certain way but that's my 2 cents.
The hairlines seemed apparent to me. The cartwheel effect obviously skips over the cleaned sections. Beautiful coins regardless. By the way, I had the $3 at AU53 and the $10 definitely looked MS63 or higher. I look for directionality of the hairlines when determining a coin is cleaned or not. I saw that on the 3 that were judged cleaned. YMMV
All the lettuce and greens I buy from a little-known grocer are harshly cleaned.
cool
I have the same thing
They're all cleaned.
You hurt my feelings ;)
So I was just looking on your website you have 2 1931 S wheat cents one is 65 RD (NGC) the other is 64 RB (PCGS)looking at them the 64 looks ro be more red and doesnt have a large face spot. I guess my question is why wouldnt you crack the 64 out and send to NGC?? It is a great looking coin.
I'm about to do the same with my gold - I wish I didn't have to pay for a membership and all of the other costs - is now an awful time to send coins in because of the season/condition of our country...advice?
If you live somewhere near a coin dealer , ask them for their opinion. If you have more than one dealer near you- ask more of them for their opinion. You may find out your coins may not be worth getting graded .
@@TheCoinGeek The sad sad truth of the matter is I have two here - BOTH of which aren't interested in anything except their own businesses and have deep seated resentment of the grading companies...both are pretty old and reportedly know one of the founders of PCGS
Ben, I just dont see those coins being cleaned.....but what do I know 🤷♂️
Sounds like u should be a pcgs customer....
Send the DE, Eagle and QE to PCGS.
Just a curious question but do you allow any layaway or payment plans on anything you have for sale?
I try to work with customers as best I can. We've had a lot of bad experiences trying layaway - but usually (not bullion) if you can get it done in 45 days I'll work with you.
Hey why don't we flip a coin? Yeah I agree, let PCGS have a crack at'em
Very inconsistent grading. The reason why I don't bother with grading.
Triple crackout.
Cordial saludo desde Colombia tengo una moneda similar de oro del año de 1864 de 4 reales si es tan amable de colaborarme con esta moneda si es americana o de otro pais
Man I'd be pissed. Those coins don't look cleaned to me. It's like they know it's you when you send coins in or something. It's crazy some of the unboxings you do. I don't get it. And to think I'm currently trying to figure out who I wanna go with for grading and I was really thinking NGC since there a little cheaper than PCGS but I think im going with PCGS cause even though they may be a little more expensive, their slabs sell for more and from what I remember it seems like most of the bad call unboxings you've done were NGC. Yep PCGS I believe it is.
I like pcgs better
Cleaned?
before you showed the grade of the first on , i said to my self , to many fine scratches and inconsistent luster in the fields and that it was cleaned ,i am not an expert ,it was a guess ..WOW ,the last one was not cleaned that's BS,
Bananas how they call the $2.5 dollar piece cleaned while the $3 piece straight grades...
Let me hold them. 😉
Is it possible that the graders being hired currently at these TPG services currently are just not up to par anymore? Kinda like police depts having bad cops on their force?
Bullet0644 not all cops are bad I’d say 1% out of 99% are bad
I’d say 5%
Also depends on what you mean by bad. If you mean unfair dickheads then yah 5%
Say it with me everyone, COIN GRADING IS SUBJECTIVE!!! Also, you mad bruh?
Did I show emotion? My bad.
l don't think NGC is good grade company