Upper Control Arm Stock Vs Aftermarket
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Upper Control Arms Stock Vs Aftermarket
In this video we will go over and show the stock upper control arm vs the aftermarket upper control arm in an off road setting. It is safe to say we are extremely pleased with the performance from our Camburg upper control arms. You feel more in control of the vehicle as the suspension soaks up the road. Thank you for watching this video and don't forget to subscribe. We also talk about the 1000 subscriber give away we will do once this channel hits the 1k mark.
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One of the biggest gains with aftermarket control arm is more responsive movement of the arm, you have bushings that allow shaft/bushing type rotation vs. stock is twisting the rubber bushing in order to move, so I think that is where the "feel" comes in, the suspension is more responsive.
The only difference really should be the added caster for the alignment with 0 camber. That can change the angle the rocks are hitting which will make it seem a little different, possibly even smoother but there isnt really a difference. All they do is guide the tire up and down, nothing special to really help soak up bumps. But they are tougher and look nicer and a good alignment can make a huge difference in ride quality. 👍
That's exactly what I was thinking through the video. There's nothing a UCA can do to improve ride quality. However, if the arm is stiffer than stock I could see it adding stability by not flexing as much and therefore keeping the alignment where it's supposed to be. But that would be a very minor difference.
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Nice video i like how you show the 2 shots it really shows the difference keep it up with this type of videos
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acar326 thanks for watching and thank you for the compliment on the channel. We will continue to strive providing the best vids we can. If you have suggestions, please don’t hesitate to let us know.
i gotta watch some videos and I'll see what i can think of! I'm a RAM guy, but im still a fan of the tundras, especially the newer ones
I still have a good couple of years before I can make my 2020 Tundra what I want it to be but you guys are giving me some great ideas. I'm at half what I paid for my truck with my current list of wants, it might be time to get a second job so I can pull in this 2yr time frame a bit.
Almost looks like the Camburgs give a smoother ride than the OEM UCA's.
Awesome video.. 🇨🇦
I continue to enjoy all of your content. The new control arms look great. Thanks for the stickers. The new ones are great. I like that they are a bit smaller.
Just subscribed....GREAT WORK !!
I've been looking at these arms...thanks.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
So far, no complaints.
I would like to see forest trails 4x4ing with lots of pine trees in the background lol. I went with total chaos uca but have not gone off road yet.
How has the maintenance been? Has it been too much? Any noises coming from the UCAs? Thanks!
I swapped my entire suspension system,except my lower control arms on my raptor... camburg UCA 1.25 uniball... moog tie rod ends... Fox 3.0 Im happy... but do I notice a difference? Not really lol and . I was running on top perch I’m about an 1/12 lower up front.. so... all factors are in place to make it feel smoother.. but it doesn’t feel any different
Thanks for the video and your views of your new parts.
I’d like to see some trail videos and how the truck performed under articulation.
Awesome content, very good and well detailed on showing us thank's
I have a 2002 stock 2wd tundra. I installed bilstein 5100s on the highest notch which is about 2.75" up to level it out. What would you recommend that I upgrade to prevent any serious damage? I also installed 33" tires and 17" wheels. Camburg seems to be the best from what I see. Please, any direction would be so greatly appreciated
You need some. Work lights and storage compartments or boxes in the bed. Lots of use for it.
Thanks for the informative video.
+Dre 9Golan thanks for watching.
I just bought my first tundra 2017 (1794) 4X4 . I always been a F-150 Ford type of guy been said that i would like to have a smooth ride if i would install the bilstein 6150 rear and 6112 front with a bump stop Sumo or Timbren SES would that be some what a smooth ride.I do not want to take my truck 4X4 since i drop alot of money for this truck. thanks for your time.
Hey George, I apologize for the delayed response as it was a busy weekend. I think you would enjoy the Bilstein 6112's and 5160's. When it comes to the bump stops, I would recommend running the SumoSprings if you plan on towing (Thats where I see the best results in ride quality). However, when I'm not towing, IMO, I feel the rear suspension runs a little stiff. They are supper easy to install and uninstall though. I hope this helps.
I can see there is more stress on the OEM arm joint, when the truck has a lift kit. just wondering: does it help with the alignment and/or gas mileage?. I have a 2017 5.7 Tundra Crew Max 4X4 im with a 3”-2” lift kit, 20x10 fuel wheels and 33x12.5 mud tires and I’m getting anywhere from 10-12 mpg max on city driving. I live in Austin Tx.
Thanks. Your channel is awesome.
Hey Jorge R. Thanks for watching. This will greatly improve your Caster angle for alignment purposes. As far as gas, no, it will have no effect on the gas millage. What can I say, the Tundra's are thirsty beasts.
When I disconnected my oem upper control arm from the spindle I noticed the arm was stiff to move up and down well they actually wouldn't stay in the up or down position it would just return to it's original position when I push them on either direction. Are the aftermarket free floating? If that's the appropriate word
Dru670 yes. Different bushing style
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+Mancho Chango thanks for your feedback. We’re constantly working on ways to improve and produce better quality product to CZcams.
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Nice camera work. You didn't talk about the real benefits to aftermarket UCA. How much caster did you gain and how much suspension travel over stock did you gain?
Great idea but the camera was not in the same location for the comparison to get the true view. Wish you had placed the camera in the same location for the comparison.
Hey Ruben, thanks for the comment. I agree, I wish I would have done that too. I didn't realize I had it in a different spot until editing. Lesson learned there.
Thanks for the reply.
Great Video
What's up that looks like great work..... What's the difference with steering with adjustable control arm?
I am currently running 35s with Bilstein 5100 adjustable struts adjusted to the max 2.78” height. To clear my 35s all I really had to do was trim the front inner fender liners. If I get aftermarket UCA’s, will I need to do the body chop knowing that it moves the tires back slightly?
You don't say anything about these aftermarket control arms in terms of what they do differently than the stock arms.
What's the difference?
Unless they allow more camber or caster adjustment on a truck that's been lifted so you can get back to oem alignment specs or have a higher articulation ball joint then there will be no difference in the performance of the truck.
One thing I noticed is that the aftermarket control arm has no boot on the ball joint. Take a look at the video, see that the oem has a boot on the ball joint and none on the aftermarket control arm. That is a very bad thing because dirt will get into the aftermarket ball joint and cause in the fail. The more off roading and dirt the faster it will fail.
Take a look at the Specialty Products control arms.
High articulation ball joint with fully sealed boots, zerk fittings so you can grease them and the arms have camber and caster adjustment so you can get proper alignment on raised trucks with larger tires.
Uniball joints are stronger than ball joints. They can take more stress and articulation than regular ball joints.
Hello, I was wondering what made you choose the Camburg UCAs?
True Travel Dynamics thanks for watching. At first it was a referral from a fellow off roader. But, ultimately it came down to their customer service. IE: answering questions and providing guidance.
I’m looking into buying a truck with this part on it and I’m way more familiar with old small Japanese vehicles lol. But from what I can tell the bigger control arm forces the suspension to work harder, is that right?
Obviously it’s stronger and wider too. And let’s you makes more adjustments too
Did the stock upper control arm angle at full droop bend the upper ball joint while off-roading? Just curious because the stock UCA looked really steep.
Love your comparison.Iam looking on aftermarket UCAs.I have a Toytec 3 “ leveling kit on my 15 CM.I would like to get my camber a little more on the negative side of adjustment.Iam noticing the top of the wheel is leaning slightly out compared to the bottom.So that tells me I have a small amount of + camber.So Iam thinking it’s because of the factory UCA.
Will new control arms allow my tacoma tires to sit flush and not to in ??? Just don't look right after 3" leveling kit
No. That’s changed by your wheels offset
Once again great video. it's awesome that it showed the difference between the stock and aftermarket arms. The one thing I enjoyed in the video was watching everything flex, the strut Tower, the motor on the Factory mounts even the inner fender well. It's pretty cool to actually see things you normally wouldn't get to see. Sometimes I wonder if having some flexibility is better than welding everything up rigid? I know on older Jeeps for off-road trails most people prefer leaving them alone so they can flex the way they were intended to instead of welding up the frames or boxing them in so they're stiff.
As far as the future, the one thing I would like to see you modified would be maybe some safety items instead of performance especially because it is your everyday vehicle. most everyday vehicles or in-between not dedicated off road vehicles sometimes lack on the safety items they should have for the trails. Such as fire extinguishers, first aid kit, a whip with flag for Desert trail riding, CB ham Marine some type of radio, at least a roll bar so for when the unexpected happens you don't get smashed most stock Vehicles do not have any rollover protection, I learned that the hard way after spending thousands on a 2000 Toyota Tundra prerunner with no cage and totaling it out in the desert near Baker California all I remember is spending three nights in a hotel recovering so I could travel home after being released from the hospital. staring at the world's largest thermometer LOL will make you think about all the stuff you should have done, overnight bag for all occupants in the vehicle sometimes you can't make it back to camp and have to spend the night on the trail. And always go with a buddy or have somebody else on the trail with you I know you've had brought this up before sorry for repeating it.
As for trails as suggested in a post some green trees might be nice and maybe some rock crawling, might be a challenging for a full size rig. Anyhow great video thank you.
Dude I bought the pro tune upper controls arms I had the same thing about the in control of it plus I have a clunking noise when I’m slowing down moving just a little bit
You had the noise prior to new uca's or have it now? If you are feeling a what sounds like a "knock knock knock" when slowing down/stopping could be an issue with your sway body links
I have been debateing on a front unibal upper arm for my sequoia BUT was concerned about the ride quality difference . Did you notice any weird harshness ? Should i lie to my wife that this is a must maintenance item ?
Hey 4doorspankyou714....I'm not sure if a white lie to the wife is the best way to go. You could however let her know that it all comes down to the weakest link. The stock upper control arm joint will more than likely be the first thing to go if you doing quite a bit of off roading..."So look honey, you don't want us to get stuck in the middle of the trail right..." Just a thought. Hope it works out.
How many inches of travel
I call bullshit. With the same shocks and springs you will not feel a ride quality difference with just UCA's.
+TDGarage hmmm I agree. It might have been placebo at that time...however, months later I will tell you, UCA’s can be felt by all 4x4 wheelers. Might be alignment, but nevertheless felt.
I'm new to off-roading. Does the lower control arm matters too?
h1Larry0us, they all work together, but when you lift an IFS vehicle the factory UCA can’t accommodate the new angles and makes it hard for your alignment to get set properly. This is a must add item when lifting an IFS vehicle.
@@Justforfun-ek7et ah, ok. Thanks.
I just had my lower and upper control arms replaced is there a reason why my car is driving more stiff
Do you have a lift? I would guess yes since you replaced UCA/LCAs. From what I have experienced, stiffness can be a number of factors.
1) your toe angle is not meeting alignment specs, either its too high or too low.
2) your caster has possibly increased which increases stiffness.
Did you write that music yourself?
shouldnt feel any difference, uca's are for proper tire alignment and thats pretty much it, probably just a plesebo effect, like you said, lots of moolah, brain wants to justify the purchase. True dollar savings come many miles down the road when your tires wear evenly....
Not true at all. Custom uca’s provide more suspension travel and more durability. More suspension travel equals better traction off road especially with a uniball. When a uniball begins to wear you get noise when a ball joint wears you need a tow truck.
What suspension are you running, Fox, King, Icon or ADS?
+Patrick Sullivan thanks for watching. I’m running Bilstein 6112’s up front and 5160’s in the rear.
Awesome, I really liked your camberg video. Running stock UCA currently, looking at Camburg or Total chaos. What a major difference in stock vs aftermarket UCA. Difference in ride has to be extremely noticeable. I am running TRD Pro suspension I own a 17 TRD Pro Tundra. Installed Alcan leaf pack a few months ago. Looking at getting ADS suspension and some new shackles for the replaced leaf pack. I really enjoy your video Ryan.
I recommend ICON uppers with delta joints that are grease-able. Won’t squeak down the road, and less maintenance
Newer Camburg uca vs older stock uca! Of course newer upper ball joint will feel more stable! Camburg is adjustable for lifted struts which is where u will see their true advantages! Riding stock height, it's just a ball joint!
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placebo effect
Lol dumbass
And 66 comments wtf?????
Look the same to me