What Upper Control Arms Are Right for YOU & Your Toyota?
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2023
- In this video, we talk about some of the options that are available for your Toyota truck. We talk about the alignment specs, strength, and which upper control arms would be good for you.
You can find all the UCAs at runnin4tacos.com/ - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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[Class CONTROL ARMS 3002]
[Professor: Hugo “El Teco” Caesar Silvia Pérez De La Cruz Mendoza Sr.] 😅
I like them pretty red JBAs
I have beat the brakes off my SPC's and been happy with them. They warrantied the BJ after about two years of abuse and sent me replacements. What I really appreciate is their outstanding customer support.
I’m torn between SPC and JBA for price reason. JBA almost half the cost.
Hugo has great knowledge. Presents the product very nicely
Thanks for sharing all the helpful
fasts!
Super informative comparison. Thank you!
Just for knowledge sharing's sake, not at all a criticism. Those Dobinson UCAs are drop forged 6082 aluminum then CNC machined, not actually billet. Most of the billet arms on the market (Icon, Camburg, etc) are made from 6061. Good info!
Great video guys answered so many questions for me
Hugooooooo!! You told me about Animas Forks when my daughter and I visited R4T last July!!!! Thank you so much bro!!!
Making a choice is so hard and there are even more options then what's on the table
Just wanted to say nice video guys after a lot of research and your video was very helpful I decided to go spc upper control arms and I’m very satisfied with the outcome it made all the difference in the world
would love to see one of these breakdowns for leaf springs
So nice to see this man has done his homework and is a master of his craft. Wish yalll were in Texas. Maybe that’s a good excuse for a CO trip
Love your vids- instant sub.. I have a ‘10 FJ with the Camburg UCAs in the vid- the handling improvement alone after a lift was worth it as this it is also a daily
Excellent video, well explained.
You guys rock. Thank you for this video. I now have a path forward. This video is really helpful and I would love to see the LCA video.
I am running SPC and they have failed once, going to move to something stronger and more durable. I'm not afraid of the maintenance.
I like the JBAs!Great comparison.
I enjoying seeing the growth of aftermarket support for Toyata and import auto manufactures.
Dobinsons Billet >
have had SPC, balljoints don't last even with regular Moly grease application, almost every set ive installed has come back for balljoints within 2-3 years. Thats ridiculious imho... Have had Dobinsons standard duty, they are good but couldn't get the alignment perfect so jumped on the billet soon as they came out. You don't really see any BJ or bushing failures with the factory style parts. Install and keep them clean, like you said and forget about them. The rest, no so much...
Such an awesome video 🙌🔥
Love the detailed analysis! Is there a reason you didn’t cover the Ironman UCA? I’m building out a 2012 FJ Cruiser Trail Teams Special Edition to overland. Nothing crazy…just running established trails with a RTT, steel front and rear bumpers. Based on those variables, what UCA would you recommend? Thank you!
Great video i use Camburg billet. Can you please do a video on the Spindle and what are the best LCA Dirt king or Total Chaos 😊😊😊😊
Great informative vid!
Extremely knowledgeable! I am building my custom suspension for my 2020 Tundra. It is a daily driver, but will overland and light offroad with it, travel, and occasionally haul, so I don't need anything too crazy. I just want to lift my truck, but have the reliability, quality, and capability. After this I am definitely, for my application, am getting the Camburg UCA's. Great video and thanks for helping me understand the differences between the brands UCA's. I was debating between Freedom Offroad, Bilstein, Camburg, and JBA's, and Icon. Wheew...tough competition and tough choice. I don't need anything too crazy because i am not rock climbing or doing heavy off-roading with my Tundra since it's my daily as well. I do plan on buying a Tacoma built for overlanding/off-roading in the future, in a few years after I retire from the service.
If you guys did this video with some information about what kinds of forces the UCA and UBJ endure, it would be a Toyota owner must-see. If you did, though, it would reveal that most of these options are overkill for anything that isn’t desert racing… even the SPC is overkill for any trail you can get an IFS vehicle up. Any Toyota truck owner looking to mod should watch this video. ⭐️
Awesome video man! The only thing i disagree with is the SPC i run those right now and worst ever! My ball joints and upper control arms are always breaking i have no clue as to why! Im changin now yo JBA heard alot of good stuff abiut then
Oiga! Que tal Hugo!!!! Hice tus tareas güey yo aprendí mucho.
Gracias 🙏
Nice review
My year old SPC's failed at the frame bushings... The new style bushings have huge failure rates.
Hello, good evening, I just saw your video about different upper arms for trucks and I needed to know for a 4 runner 2021, I want to install a 3-inch lift kit with 285,70,17 tires for daily use but with offroad ideas, which upper arm could I use? recommend that they are not so expensive by the way I love this kind of information about upper control arm
Great video…I lifted my taco 2 inches and want to upgrade my uca but it’s between dirt kings and dobinsons…what would recommend?
I went with SPC's because it was an entry level into fitting 33's.
I may go this route for my 285s
Thay talk about tire rubbin the uca and how alignment will fix this.. 😊
What is the best UCA to clear 285/75r16 for wheels that are 16x8 with -20 offset? I plan to do 2.5 lift in the front and 1.5 lift in the back.
quick question, does the icon or old man emu provide more clearance than 4runner stock? I need to run the reservoir hose of the BP-51 under it and I don't want to arm to jam/compress on the hose.
Any thoughts on the UCA frome Nitro Gear??
Love this video, I have a 2021 4Runner 4X4, with Eibach suspension, Front PRO-TRUCK Coilover 2.0's, Rear PRO-TRUCK Reservoir Shocks and the Load Leveling System. Which upper or lower control arms will go perfect with my system? iIts my daily drive and off road as well.
If you are daily driving it and you don't do much off-roading, You can use SPC uppers. Also, If you go bigger tires and do a lot of wheeling. Total Chaos is your best choice. There is no need to change out the lower control arms.
I need something that can take the abuse of working in a steel mill. Tons of train tracks and the muck of slag/mud mix so being sealed off from the debris is an absolute must for me + the 50 mile highway drive. Might end up with some Icon delta UCA's
JBA HD for sure!! We use them in South America Amazon Jungle on severe roads where many other brands mentioned above fail in short order.
Where do you think the Nitro UCAs fall in this lineup? They’re also sealed, so I assume they’re comparable to the Icons
What type of cleaner do you guys use for cleaning the upper uniball for total chaos?
Please make a long travel suspension video
What about the Bilstein UCAs?
Great video! What’s your opinion on OME UCA?
If you don't need super adjustable. Stock if just fine. I've been wheeling with my stock upper arm for years out here in AZ. 0 issues they do not max out before your CVS anyway. So popping ball joints is a non issue for the fj.
Hey do you guys have any info on the Afe upper control arm?
Ended up getting the JBA HD High Caster Upper Control Arms, but now I'm rubbing on my tire on full turn. I already have a -12 offset rim
what size tires are you running? Are they rubbing against the UCA or something else?
@@foskco87 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss 295s. They rub on the UCA. I was told by jba it's because the tires I have have big size walls, which makes it a bit thicker of a wheel in certain spots, in the spot right where the UPC is, so it rubs.
I need to add a thin spacer to fix this, haven't done it yet.
TC for the win 🏆 in my opinion
Other than SPC. Which of these UCA’s are adjustable for castor and camber? I didn’t catch this on this video. I’m adding 305 or 315’s on my 4runner. DD, weekend warrior and more advanced trails. Right now I have icon deltas
Dobinsons billet. Comes with a spacer for the back side for high caster or move it to the front side for standard caster and the bushing eyelets are threaded and can be adjusted during a normal alignment procedure.
What no one really talks about is wha the built in high caster does. They all push the tire closer to the cab mount thereby causing tire rub. It would be much smarter to use an adjustable lower control arm. But so far I’ve inklusive found one manufacture that makes one that pushes the tire 1” forward away from the cab mount and thereby increasing positive caster.
Aluminum actually has a higher tensile strength over steel @16:08
Twan…. With off-roading and overlanding getting so popular, and people trying to take advantage of the aftermarket parts, what are some ways to ensure you’re going to a quality off road shop? I know for instance there is a local “off road” shop that some praise, but others have had terrible experiences. If you’re new to this stuff, what are some questions to ask or things to look out for when choosing a shop?
Hey! I would talk to the shop and get a feel for it. Here at R4T, we don't try to sell any particular product to you. We will always ask what you are using the truck for and then advise you which route to take depending on your budget. If a shop tells you to get this and that without any explanation of how it works, then I would be more worried.
I have the Icon tubular UCRs. They have squeaked since day one. I’m not sure if anyone has experienced this as well?
The forged steel attribute of the SPC arms was not mentioned, they are way stronger than welded tube UCAs. True, SBC is an alignment centric company, but remember SPC bought Bryan Kudela’s Light Racing company. Bryan is literally the godfather of the trophy truck. Otherwise great video.
Doing alignments on the style that adjust at the upper mounts freaking sucks. Takes a lot of time I have installed many many Toyota coilover kits. Icon box design is what I installed the most
Recomendations for an FJ cruiser to add 2" ½ lift and almost stock tires sizes.
Depends on how deep your pockets are. Bilstein for a budget build. Fox and Kings for the deep pocket build. 😁
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How can I get jba HD red upper control arms for my 2016 4x4 tacoma
JBA sells them in red.
The red JBA's are attractive but the adjustability of the SPC is optimal but there all have Goods and bads including the billet models and just not easy to choose total chaos also has flat style over tubular as an option
My x axis joints on my spc uppers already have play in them after a little over a year. I dont wheel hard at all. Also they are out of stock everywhere at the moment, so I imagine there is a lot of people with the same problem right now. Pretty salty about this.
this is a known warranty issue - find the serial numbers and get in touch with SPC
I have bad play in mine too. What if you got the SPC's second hand, will they warranty them?@@Langhorstiness
@@xack5810 I doubt it makes any difference if you are original owner or not as vehicles change hands all the time and they can tell by serial numbers when it got made etc. to see if it was in the era of the defect batches. I had 2 pairs warrantied and I didn't even lift a finger or deal with SPC directly for it. The 4x4 shop I had my lift done at was inspecting everyone with SPCs and SPC fully owned the issue and gave anyone with X-axis issues new ones. I know sometimes companies try to deflect everything and wiggle out of it but that was not my experience at all. Newest pair is fine after 2 years use.
@@Langhorstiness SPC supplied a replacement but did the shop charge you for labor?
@@jayson1710 I was not invoiced for the labour but it's not much time to just swap out arms and realign.
I am reading nothing but bad on SPC. Ball joints failing way too soon.
Was going to go with JBA but since you have to use their specific made ball joint is pushing me away which is why I"ll probably lean towards the Dobinson regular UCA.
What did you end up getting?
@@davileett1224 spc because the shop that did it recommended it. Claimed they've done many and no issues. However I was sent spc's new maintenance free ball joint with upgraded axis bushings.
Jba all the way!
Why would a non adjustable , high caster UCA go to a specialized alignment shop ? It’s literally no different than adjusting factory suspension just with a bit more caster pre-built into them.
I agree. I had Toyota align my Tacoma with JBA. They got it dialed.
JBA Dosnt require bolts to be slackened to grease them due to design of bushings.
The juice!!
Max is looking good! Es must be sticking to the diet.
I had JBAs and the boots failed and cracked on mine and my buddies within 3 months. Be VERY careful when you buy JBAs and make sure they have the updated boot and hopefully that truly fixed the problem because I had to go out spend more money on a different set of UCAs. Great content!
mine just cracked after 1 year of minimal abuse
They had a bad batch of boots. They warranty them and send you new boots for free.
Lol you didn’t have to go out and spend more money, you just needed a new boot. JBA has pretty good customer service, I bet they would have sent you a new boot.
That's a non issue. JBA will send you the updated version free.
SPC has fantastic customer support but they really don't last. In 20k miles the ball joints went bad and in 25k the bushings went bad. They replaced everything no questions asked but its a love hate relationship for me since they don't last but they stand by their product
Icon billet isn't there
I have Dirt Kings on my 4runner.
Hey do they make any noise on street?
@@andresmuniz1257 no noise, that goes for off-road too.
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run my SPCs hard in the desert they are extremely strong due to being forged, just as strong as a tubular.
To say that a billet design is always stronger than a tubular design is not entirely correct. The main reason a company would create a billet design is to have it perform mechanically as intended while also having greater dimensional control because of the machining process. Additionally there is no welding so it removes that procedure out of the manufacturing process. I would almost guarantee the number one reason Total Chaos does not do a billet is because of cost and their internal expertise. They can get the same amount of performance out of tubular design and remove the machining procedure out of their manufacturing process. Tubular is going to be cheaper to manufacture when compared to running and maintaining a $100k CNC machine.
Also you cannot judge the strength of tube by just the outer diameter; the inner diameter and material are equally important factors.
No Ironman uca's?
They are recalled. Google there is a post with photo’s showing what happened to a forum members.
@John.ThirteenPoint6969 I thought it was just the balls that were recalled.
@@derekwoodcock2510 Look it up man, there’s actual photos showing otherwise.
@John.ThirteenPoint6969 yeah I went to ironmans site and they also state it is the ball that was recalled.
@@derekwoodcock2510 Do you watch and believe the news too? Do whatever you want lol idc
SPC bushings will fail!!!!! FYI!!
Everything else make a noises and ain’t adjustable
Not sure about your statement "A lot more articulation than factory". czcams.com/video/InQnp42pfts/video.html 5:30
my street truck has camburg uniballs. don't want them to break . Toyota
Ive had SPC on my 1st Gen tundra since 20’ and have beat the snot out of them with no issues. I just purchased another 1st Gen to build and the price for the SPC have gone up over $200! Now I’m looking at other brands that are cheaper. Damn Biden’s America has ruined prices!!😂
Spc is the best upper control arm.
Uniballs are a squeeky pain in the ass. Theyre not great for a daily driver. Race trucks swap them out all the time.
What about old man emu
Old man emu kits are meant for weight. Not really the best kit for a lift.
Great video…I lifted my taco 2 inches and want to upgrade my uca but it’s between dirt kings and dobinsons…what would recommend?