in the book he says 'It needs more to make a king than a piece of Elvish glass or a rabble such as this!' But the bit about Elvish glass wasn't really explained in this movie, so it makes sense they left that out. Love that a lot of the dialogue in this version is either right out of the books or very similar in style.
what really gets me is that this singing is *diegetic*, meaning that the orcs are singing *in-universe*. Gandalf comments on their song, and Aragorn commands them to silence. It's not just a soundtrack, the orcs have a canon men's choir!
Well in Lore Morgoth created discord in the song that created the world. Sauron being his successor, it would make sense that he’s a little musically inclined!
@@oldfrend Sauron is nothing if not mindful of *presentation*. He sent out Orcs to Rohan to steal horses in the books. BUT ONLY THE BLACK HORSES, because his army has an *aesthetic*, thank you. I mean, hell. He wrote the ring-poem about how evil he is and wrote it onto the ring. Man wrote a poem on his weapon of world domination.
Has he the Ring ? Has Sauron really got the Ring ? Where is the Ring ? Oooh right, the Ring. The Ring for Sauron. The Ring created specially to serve Sauron, Sauron's Ring.
The orcs in the books had horrible singing. In fact everything they did was horrible or ugly. And it's never stated the orcs were once elves, that's just a theory. Just like the theory that orcs were once Men or Hobbits. Tolkien never stated in any of the books what Melkor made the orcs out of.
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o Also, singing was a notorious thing armies did all over the world. During marches, to increase troup moral in camo, or in this case, to drop enemies moral. So I think the orks singing is just natural.
Can we appreciate the fact that this cartoon version actually portrays logistics (supply wagons, rolling with the army) where in the movie trilogy they just march all the way down to the Black gates on foot without any horses, tents or basically any additional supplies?
@Jonathan Wolfe Medieval armies usually made a military camp right in the rearguard and left all the stuff there. In the book their army situated itself on the nearby hills and fortified the position to have at least some chance in the upcoming battle.
Marching without any (spare) horses, tents, or additional supplies is actually what happened in the book iirc as the idea was to be a swift distraction for Sauron. To pretend to be overwhelmed by the pride of the Ring, to act in a way that only one bearing such a 'weapon' would proved to be the best distraction possible!
Many many producers and writers at that time would have had direct or indirect experience with field warfare, whereas that was not the case by the 2000s.
It's just because in a 4-hour film, it would take too long to show everything. Often in films, the director has to get to the point for the rhythm and flow of the story.
Well half of their army bailed by the time they reached the Black gate, the remainder of the defeated Haradrim gaved them supplies and some of the Mumaks however the army was then depleted in half due to most of the men lacking the courage to cross the dead marshes, even the pass was unpassable so some remained behind.
He did sing though. He took part in the song that created the world along with the rest of the Ainur. Then there was his song duel with Finrod Felagund in the First Age. Oh, and @ChristopherHager, that was Jackson being an idiot. Sauron was never just a big floating eye.
@@suchiuomizu If I'm correct wasn't the eye just his corporeal form beginning to reform as he gained more power in the books, and the pupil was his body?
@@idipped2521 Sauron had long reformed his body in the books. The Eye is just a metaphor for his power to watch whatever he wants/how he appeard in visions and through magical objects like Galadriel's mirror. There absolutely isn't a literal flaming eyeball on top of Barad-Dur in the books.
Fact, the black gate, called the Morannon, Cirith Ungol, and Minas Morgul ALL once belonged to gondor, the first two were built to keep Sauron's hordes from leaving mordor, but were later taken by sauron for himself.
Also, If I remember correctly, Minas Morgul originaly had a different name...can't remember it...It was a "sister city" to minas tirith, and they were on either side of Osgiliath, which was Gondor's original capitol.
They were originally sister cities, Minas Arnor, the tower of the Sun, and Minas Ithil, the tower of the moon. When Sauron conquered Minal Ithil, the cities were renamed to Minas Tirith, the tower of guard, and Minas Morgul, the tower of sorcery.
Sauron really hated the Númenóreans, especially Isildur since Isildur plucked a fruit from the White Tree before Ar-Pharazôn had the White Tree cut down and burned. That's why Sauron burned the White Tree again in Minas Ithil, which later became Minas Morgul, and that's also why Gondor's Stewards almost let the White Tree of Minas Tirith die of neglect.
Drinking game for a Rankin-Bass Tolkien movie: 1. Every time a character does that gesture with their open hand 2. Every time the orcs break out the Men's Choir 3. Every time Gandalf says "behold!" 4. Every time a character's eyes do an anime shimmer 5. Every time a sword does a schwing sound
I like this version of the Mouth of Sauron more then the LA one. He looks like dark magic has extended his lifespan but still has taken its toll with looking like an ugly monster.
I love how the dialogue was worded in these films. "My spirit was leadened" You don't hear dialogue like that much anymore, it's always nice to come back to this and hear that.
but you know what's really actually super fantabulous? mixing up classy regal Gondorian with Perverted Internetese to create New Epic Monstrosities of Language XD Eowyn: "Merry is that an extra pipe in your pocket or are you just leadened to see me? :P "
It certainly is! This version of the story fits more closely to what Tolkein actually wrote, rather than the Peter Jackson movies which distilled the essence of what was said down into more modern English that didn't require a degree in linguistics to understand :P
I love this actually! It shows how the demons say something like this, that we'd win the battle but we'll lose the war and then Jesus would yell 'Silence!' And they would remain silent indeed.
I Love his nerve while standing in front of the gate of the stronghold of the enemy that could overwhelm him and any army in Middle earth: ⚔️ 🛡"Come forth......the King of Gondor demands the Black Lord to come forth; atone for his evils, and depart from them forever. Come forth!!" ☝️
Aragorn rode up to Mordor, called out Sauron for being a punk, got in a roasting match with Sauron’s messenger, WON said roasting match, and basically called him a B I T C H. This man is my favourite LOTR character hands down.
Yeah, the whole thing is that they're trying to distract Sauron, so he turns his attention outward towards the army at his gates, and doesn't notice the Hobbits creeping to Mt Doom. Behaving like an arrogant, overconfident jerk is basically Aragorn play-acting like someone who's got the Ring (because that's the effect that it typically has on men), to make sure that he gets Sauron's attention. 🤣
_"You are standing in the eye of the storm_ _move an inch, and you'll be dead._ _You are standing underneath_ _the Towers of the Teeth,_ _and the Eye...blazes red!"_
I like it because it reminds me of the Hobbit book that actually had Orc songs. But I don't think this song is actually in Return of the King book, just made for this animation.
2:54 "A tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse… The rider was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man."
I know the old toons don't really measure up to Jackson's films, but they can’t just be discredited either; and a lot of that is owed to the music, in my opinion.
They were already at war, but he knew the upcoming battle would be pointless if Sauron had the ring. He was concerned about the whereabouts of the ring and whether Frodo could cross the orc infested lands of Mordor.
"It is said orcs can create no beautiful works - be they armaments, or art, or craft. The old tales say nothing of their voices! As sirens these beasts draw us in - men, cover your ears! The orcs might yet be defeated if only we defy their haunting tones!" *men clearly struggling not to listen, a few screaming out in agony as they run headlong for the gate hoping to hear more*
@@qwertyTRiG Which is why he didn't. Also Tolkien was more subtle with his bad guys, the Black Numenoreans were still very much humans, just like the Dunedain. The reason Gondor won in the end was the innate nobility of those involved. Boromir came close but was conflicted due to his desire to serve his father's wishes and his own ego so he was cast down. I believe Tolkien was going for the concept of the King must sacrifice himself for his people rather than sacrifice his people for himself. Aragorn was conflicted because he didn't want that responsibility so he wandered aimlessly until he accepted the responsibility and did what he did. I loved the films but was disappointed the concept of nobility was lacking in them.
Aragorn mocked the Mouth of Sauron for his grandiose title, said he's just a lowly human slave, and ended the parley with confidence while the Mouth just seethed at him. Maybe he was hoping angry leaders make mistakes or that it would help distract Sauron better. In the Jackson version he gave the Mouth time to prove that Frodo and Sam were dead and that they had a pointless battle ahead of them. So here Aragorn is a better leader but there was more drama in the movie and book.
Fun fact: The artwork in the Legend of Zelda instruction booklet was inspired by this film. The character design, Death Mountain and the landscape was a great source of inspiration for the illustrations of Link, the monsters, the overworld and the confrontation with Ganon.
@@jonmills6927 personally I think Nimoy would have been an excellent choice! Dont get me wrong love Ian McKellen, but Nimoy had both the look and the voice!!!
Tolkien was pretty descriptive about their flying mounts... they were NOT pegasi. The Fell Beasts were probably some kind of lesser cold drake/pterosaur. Plus, one of the defining aspects of the Nazgul is that you can't see them without clothes or armor. The quite visible skull heads are just wildly wrong.
@@rossworkshop2799 True enough. I had a little issue with this specifically because I saw this before I read the book, and it confused me. Took me a little while to realize the Nazgul mounts weren't flying horses.
hahaha This is easily the dodgiest in terms of depictions of the characters and creatures. but the songs are fun. The voice acting is pretty solid. I especially like the faithfulness to some of the dialogue and turns of phrase that Tolkein used in the scenes depicted. My favorite part of this is when Aragorn calls Sauron out to face justice. Like you could just ride to the gates of hell and tell The Devil to get his arse out side for a whooping..
It makes sense as a bluff, Aragorn wanted Sauron to think he had the ring so he'd focus everything on his hastily-cobbled together army. Acting that cocky is consistent with him having it.
"his emissary you mean" "Look, buddy my boss is right there on that tower, as you can see he doesn't have his legs back yet so what exactly were you expecting?"
"Our decision is made. Begone! We did not come here to waste words in treating with the likes of you, one of Sauron's slaves." "bruh then why tf you call for me then"
"A question for the people who saw this movie, without reading the books, and before the Peter Jackson movies came out. How many of you thought that the Mouth of Sauron was actually Sauron himself?" None of them. It's made very clear that he's just Sauron's emissary.
+Slurpee the Great When I was *really little*, the little baby me *was* genuinely confused as to who exactly the Mouth of Sauron was... but I always did know that Sauron was the eye in the tower, even before reading the books or watching the Jackson movies. I just didn't know what the word "emissary" meant at the time. Little baby me was just like, "You're Sauron's what-now? You're not Sauron, the big eye's Sauron. What're you trying to pull, weirdo black armor man?"
Slurpee the Unholy Be honest, how many kids know what the word “emissary” means? Unless they read a lot of books or maybe devoured a dictionary, I highly doubt any child would even get that meaning.
Somehow it reminded me Troy McClure in the Planet of the Apes Musical (the Simpsons) where the apes were surprised he could talk and he answered “I CAN SIIIIIING!” 😂
Sauron personally hired the Haradrim's best Band and Choir directors to direct bands to make mood music. They're sitting behind the gates in this case some soldiers on the top are giving them cues on when to stop and start playing. (seriously, the Orcs have the best singing voices in these movies, they must have formed several big brass bands :D )
"He decided to march along the mountains north... and then west," Really? West? The map clearly shows he has to travel North and then East. This cracks me up
@@saptsagn3697 No, the Map of Middle earth is North at the top South at the bottom. But Thorin's map is clockwise turned, so East is North, North is West, West is South, and South is East. The producers thought that ALL maps were according to Thorin's.
Maybe it's like "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice"? Or whenever someone says his name, it's like a prayer h hears and directs his eye to. So he doesn't want to be distracted by all his servants saying his name all day, every day.
Gandalf: "As I gazed into my almost certain death..." Aragorn: "They're only defending not advancing on us. So long as we just stand here we should be fine."
Win the battle, lose the war, Choice of evils lie before your feet, Retreat, Retreat, Retreat! If you win then you will lose, Choice of evils yours to choose, Retreat... Retreat, retreat, retreat! You are standing in the eye of the storm, Move an inch, and you'll be dead, You are standing underneath, the towers of the Teeth, and the Eye...blazes red!
"You are standing in the eye of the storm! Move an inch, And you'll be dead. You are standing underneath The towers of the teeth And the eye Blazes red!" They just don't write them like they used to, do they?
Most of the songs RB ad libbed into the story are fantastic. I don't like how they overexplain things but I guess they were compensating for the fact that they didn't get to start the story properly.
Agree and was a more faithful to the books. Peter Jackson's version was way too over the top. The Mouth of Sauron is suppose to be an asshole, not someone who is scary.
@@lucarod8877 I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, but in the books he was just a normal looking human who was arrogant. He was more of the villain you wanted see you punched across the face than a scary villain.
My favorite part of this song is when Aragorn yelled "Silence!" and the Orcs stood silent, and he called out "Come forth! The King of Gondor demands the Black lord to come forth, atones for his evils and depart them forever! Come forth!" the other thing they did well were the Nazguls, the Witch King and the Mouth of Sauron
These Rankin/Bass productions were so good. The animation, the songs, the great voice acting. I really wish they had been able to do adaptations of Fellowship and Two Towers also. Ralph Bakshi's LOTR movie is also very good, and I wish he had been able to do a second movie finishing the story also. But it was because of the movie rights from his film, and the studio never doing a sequel, that R/B was never able to do a full LOTR adaptation, only RotK. Alas.
You wouldn't happen to know if there are any full body models of the Mouth, would you? You can't really see his body in this scene. I plan to build his armor. I have seen the live action adaptation before, but I want to pay tribute to the animated film by building his armor as a cosplay.
It was this cartoon and the Rankin Bass version of The Hobbit that got me hooked on Tolkien. John Huston will forever be, for me, THE Gandalf no matter how much I may love Ian McKellan! All of you people who criticize this cartoon can't seem to fathom the fact that we were talking about a 30 minute cartoon in the late '70's. NOBODY but Disney had the money or inclination to make full length animatics movies (and anyone who knows Tolkien knows how he felt about Disney).
In the Captain's Tent at the beginning, its (from Left to Right): Elladan & Elrohir (missing from PJs version), Gandalf, Aragorn, Eomer & Elfhelm. Only Prince Imrahil is missing (who isnt in the PJ version either).
They did not march on the Black Gate to try to achieve victory. They knew they would be greatly outnumbered and overwhelmed. They marched as a diversion to draw Saurons attention away from where they believed Frodo and Sam were. Thats why they did not take the shorter route through the mountains also. Not because it was a narrow pass difficult to march an army through.
These animated versions of LotR were great. Thanks for posting them! And I still read the video descriptions! :) (Who knew orcs turn out to be really good singers - but then they were originally elves lol :) )
As much as I love Peter Jackson's vision of the LOTR setting, it's clips like these that really make me curious to watch the animated interpretations. It also makes me want to see other adaptations of Middle Earth, but not ones that try to copy Jackson, but ones that take risks and offer different tones or emphasizes. Could you imagine an ANIME LOTR?
@@matteoooo4791 Actually I'd rather have an anime try LOTR than a modern Western animation studio. Anime developers would try to stick closer to the story line and take the time to develop the plot out properly rather than taking insane shortcuts.
I loved the Pegasi more than the fell beasts. I don't care whether they were in the Tolkien story or not, I wish Jackson had adopted these into his movies.
I love viggo mortensen as aragorn, and the return of the king is an outstanding film, but it's sad we did not see this strength and passion when he ordered the march against mordor. Not the actor's fault, definitely on the writers there. Still, I love both movies.
I forgot how much I loved the Aragorn in this version & even the Gandlalf. These two helped form the ideas I had of the characters when I finally read the book. :)
One of the things I noticed last time I watched this was that, despite being the title character, Aragorn has approximately 9 lines in the whole movie.
I actually like the visual design of this movie (for the most part), but the directing and writing is really weird at points. The encounter with Sauron's Mouth serves no purpose. In the book, it gives Sauron the opportunity to pretend that he had both the Ring and Frodo in his grasp. He wanted to crush his enemy's hope. Here, Gandalf just randomly asks the question to give a segueway.
Well, in the books, Sauron thought Aragorn had the ring. There's no reason for Sauron to pretend that he had the ring. Though you are right that he is pretending to use Frodo as a hostage. But the Mouth of Sauron mentioning only one Hobbit captured makes Gandalf bet that Sauron doesn't have the ring.
Yesterday, May 11, 2016 marked the 36th Anniversary of when this return of the king movie was first televised. I remember seeing it on that day on ABC. It aired on a Sunday but I only saw half of it. I was changing the dial when I suddenly saw these orcs singing "Where There's a Whip There's a Way." That stuck in my memory and got me interested in Tolkien's Middle Earth along with THE HOBBIT movie.
This is my fave song (next to the whip) from the LotR cartoons. "Win the battle, Loose the war" inspired the pinacle of the second saga I'm writting ^_^ "You are standing in the eye of the storm" line is way good too! Mmm, they had such a good men's chorus for these cartoons!!!
Come forth, the king of Gondor shouted to the black king, and win atonement from your evils, departing from them for ever. But the black lord came fifth, and won a toaster.
As poorly done as these films were, I still love them for introducing me to Tolkien's fantastic world. At the time I was maybe 10, and reading LOTR was a monumental task that i didn't accomplish until I was 14. I owe a lot to these films.
I saw these films in the 80's just after reading the books in 1980 and I sure thought them flawed at the time. Little did I know then that they would end up becoming the best and most definitive filmed versions we'd get! When Jackson's films came out I had such high hopes... by the time the third film came out I knew that his take on them was basically wrong. The more time passes the less likely it seems there will ever be a better version than these original animated films. The culture degenerates, the new generations have not the slightest clue as to what Tolkien (born in the 19th century!) intended.
Aragorn: "Silence!" Orcs: "ok our number was basically over anyway"
🤣🤺🤺🤺
LOL!
@@tripwire4727 what's that icon supposed to mean.
@@67nairb it's a little fencer. Ya know, cause when they done singing, they gonna start stabbing each other...😁
@@tripwire4727 but what are those three gray things? Off hand they look like mice. Fencers as in the Olympics?
"It needs more to make a king than a rabble such as this!"
Aragorn: We shALL SEEeeeeee
3:53 "WHHHUURRRRAAAAAAAAIIIAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!"
3:32
in the book he says 'It needs more to make a king than a piece of Elvish glass or a rabble such as this!' But the bit about Elvish glass wasn't really explained in this movie, so it makes sense they left that out. Love that a lot of the dialogue in this version is either right out of the books or very similar in style.
"Yup, we're just gonna go with that take."
@@hobomike6935I say this to my pets all the time, and the "be careful frodo" part ha ha
"I am the mouth of Sauron"
Aragorn: Oh God. You're not gonna sing too are you?
@@Embrachu Didn't even realize. Thank you.
"Sorry, we're looking for the Nose of Sauron."
We SHALL see
@@PhilBagels oh that’s a good one!!
Here's $10 *Not* to sing.
what really gets me is that this singing is *diegetic*, meaning that the orcs are singing *in-universe*. Gandalf comments on their song, and Aragorn commands them to silence. It's not just a soundtrack, the orcs have a canon men's choir!
and they sound phenomenal! sauron was quite the choir master!
some orc had to sit down and compose that!
Well in Lore Morgoth created discord in the song that created the world. Sauron being his successor, it would make sense that he’s a little musically inclined!
@@oldfrend Sauron is nothing if not mindful of *presentation*. He sent out Orcs to Rohan to steal horses in the books. BUT ONLY THE BLACK HORSES, because his army has an *aesthetic*, thank you.
I mean, hell. He wrote the ring-poem about how evil he is and wrote it onto the ring.
Man wrote a poem on his weapon of world domination.
If anyone tries to remake the live action lotr movies, they have only one choice; MUSICAL.
Has he the Ring ? Has Sauron really got the Ring ? Where is the Ring ?
Oooh right, the Ring. The Ring for Sauron. The Ring created specially to serve Sauron, Sauron's Ring.
That ring?
Which one was it again?
@@fatbuckrto8371 Yes, that ring!
It's all coming together now.
@@gaeridallmariegrey5888 But where is it?
I like how the orcs have such wonderful singing voices :)
+I. Th. Orcs were once elves.
"down down to goblin town, down down to goblin town, down down to goblin town! "
Tokien made sure all his species and characters knew how to and loved to sing.
The orcs in the books had horrible singing. In fact everything they did was horrible or ugly. And it's never stated the orcs were once elves, that's just a theory. Just like the theory that orcs were once Men or Hobbits. Tolkien never stated in any of the books what Melkor made the orcs out of.
dont be racist, orcs have feelings too you know
I love that Sauron spared the resources to hire a vocal coach for his troops.
It could be a by-product of the orcs being created from elves: plus, Sauron and Morgoth took to copying others out of jealousy and hubris.
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o Also, singing was a notorious thing armies did all over the world. During marches, to increase troup moral in camo, or in this case, to drop enemies moral. So I think the orks singing is just natural.
@@Hegemol900used to cover more land too.
That way demoralizing the enemy is at least more pleasant
@@Hegemol900 True; just like 'Over the Hills and Far Away' or Colonel Bogey'.
Can we appreciate the fact that this cartoon version actually portrays logistics (supply wagons, rolling with the army) where in the movie trilogy they just march all the way down to the Black gates on foot without any horses, tents or basically any additional supplies?
@Jonathan Wolfe Medieval armies usually made a military camp right in the rearguard and left all the stuff there. In the book their army situated itself on the nearby hills and fortified the position to have at least some chance in the upcoming battle.
Marching without any (spare) horses, tents, or additional supplies is actually what happened in the book iirc as the idea was to be a swift distraction for Sauron. To pretend to be overwhelmed by the pride of the Ring, to act in a way that only one bearing such a 'weapon' would proved to be the best distraction possible!
Many many producers and writers at that time would have had direct or indirect experience with field warfare, whereas that was not the case by the 2000s.
It's just because in a 4-hour film, it would take too long to show everything. Often in films, the director has to get to the point for the rhythm and flow of the story.
Well half of their army bailed by the time they reached the Black gate, the remainder of the defeated Haradrim gaved them supplies and some of the Mumaks however the army was then depleted in half due to most of the men lacking the courage to cross the dead marshes, even the pass was unpassable so some remained behind.
Disney Villain: Sings
Lord Sauron: I don’t sing...I have minions to do that for me.
How? He just a giant eye.
He did sing though. He took part in the song that created the world along with the rest of the Ainur. Then there was his song duel with Finrod Felagund in the First Age. Oh, and @ChristopherHager, that was Jackson being an idiot. Sauron was never just a big floating eye.
swag XD
@@suchiuomizu If I'm correct wasn't the eye just his corporeal form beginning to reform as he gained more power in the books, and the pupil was his body?
@@idipped2521 Sauron had long reformed his body in the books. The Eye is just a metaphor for his power to watch whatever he wants/how he appeard in visions and through magical objects like Galadriel's mirror. There absolutely isn't a literal flaming eyeball on top of Barad-Dur in the books.
Fact, the black gate, called the Morannon, Cirith Ungol, and Minas Morgul ALL once belonged to gondor, the first two were built to keep Sauron's hordes from leaving mordor, but were later taken by sauron for himself.
Also, If I remember correctly, Minas Morgul originaly had a different name...can't remember it...It was a "sister city" to minas tirith, and they were on either side of Osgiliath, which was Gondor's original capitol.
Vincent Linsin Minas Ithil was the name, think they renamed it that after Saurons downfall
They were originally sister cities, Minas Arnor, the tower of the Sun, and Minas Ithil, the tower of the moon. When Sauron conquered Minal Ithil, the cities were renamed to Minas Tirith, the tower of guard, and Minas Morgul, the tower of sorcery.
Sauron really hated the Númenóreans, especially Isildur since Isildur plucked a fruit from the White Tree before Ar-Pharazôn had the White Tree cut down and burned. That's why Sauron burned the White Tree again in Minas Ithil, which later became Minas Morgul, and that's also why Gondor's Stewards almost let the White Tree of Minas Tirith die of neglect.
Bjorn Dieter irony....sad...
Drinking game for a Rankin-Bass Tolkien movie:
1. Every time a character does that gesture with their open hand
2. Every time the orcs break out the Men's Choir
3. Every time Gandalf says "behold!"
4. Every time a character's eyes do an anime shimmer
5. Every time a sword does a schwing sound
Geesh, you'd drink Gimli under the table with that haha
Dude you'd be under the table by the time "Samwise the Strong" was over.
I'd suffer liver failure before Sam and Frodo even get to Mount Doom.
That’ll land you in the hospital
WORST. EPISODE. EVER.
3:34
Mouth of Sauron: You are hopelessly outnumbered!
Aragorn: That's like just your opinion, man.
LOL
To this day, I say "We SHALL see" just like 3:32 whenever the opportunity presents itself. It sounds so awkward but I love it.
ahahaha i know that intonation since i was a kid. if you did that to me i'd give you a, 'YEEEAAARRRGGH' right back XD
It has strong "No you" energy.
I thought I was the only one who did that.
Im so glad im not the only one! LOL
3:50 "we will meet, your armies" sounds just as awkward lmao😂
WE-SHALL-SEEEEEE
Did Aragon have an Error 404?
its very much like a musical play,
part-tiiimee
WEEEE SHaLL MEET YOuR ARMIES!!
RAAAAAAAAAGH
I like this version of the Mouth of Sauron more then the LA one.
He looks like dark magic has extended his lifespan but still has taken its toll with looking like an ugly monster.
Agreed
I love how the dialogue was worded in these films.
"My spirit was leadened"
You don't hear dialogue like that much anymore, it's always nice to come back to this and hear that.
Yes it is
but you know what's really actually super fantabulous?
mixing up classy regal Gondorian with Perverted Internetese to create New Epic Monstrosities of Language XD
Eowyn: "Merry is that an extra pipe in your pocket or are you just leadened to see me? :P "
lol i talk somewhat like that lol
It certainly is! This version of the story fits more closely to what Tolkein actually wrote, rather than the Peter Jackson movies which distilled the essence of what was said down into more modern English that didn't require a degree in linguistics to understand :P
@TheVoiceOfTruth that is not actually from the book though.
"I choose to march!"
If there is a whip, then sure
2:29
Aragorn: "Hmm, that actually worked"
LOL.:)
haha I thought that too
I love this actually! It shows how the demons say something like this, that we'd win the battle but we'll lose the war and then Jesus would yell 'Silence!' And they would remain silent indeed.
I Love his nerve while standing in front of the gate of the stronghold of the enemy that could overwhelm him and any army in Middle earth:
⚔️ 🛡"Come forth......the King of Gondor demands the Black Lord to come forth; atone for his evils, and depart from them forever. Come forth!!" ☝️
Hey when you have a badass sword, army, and Wizard I think you get at least one
Aragorn rode up to Mordor, called out Sauron for being a punk, got in a roasting match with Sauron’s messenger, WON said roasting match, and basically called him a B I T C H.
This man is my favourite LOTR character hands down.
xD
Yeah, the whole thing is that they're trying to distract Sauron, so he turns his attention outward towards the army at his gates, and doesn't notice the Hobbits creeping to Mt Doom. Behaving like an arrogant, overconfident jerk is basically Aragorn play-acting like someone who's got the Ring (because that's the effect that it typically has on men), to make sure that he gets Sauron's attention. 🤣
Yeah. Too bad viggo played him like such a wimp.
"I speak for Sauron, his word is 🔥 incarnate"
"Yous a bitch, Mouth of Sauron, get your punk ass out of here"
"You won this battle Aragorn."
"We shall see!"
Translation: "What's new, pal? I'm only reminded of that fact every day!"
_"You are standing in the eye of the storm_
_move an inch, and you'll be dead._
_You are standing underneath_
_the Towers of the Teeth,_
_and the Eye...blazes red!"_
RobotwarsKing “If you win then you will lose, choice of evils yours to choose retreat! Retreat, retreat, retreat!”
+RobotwarsKing People make fun of this version, but that part of the song was always epic to me
I like it because it reminds me of the Hobbit book that actually had Orc songs. But I don't think this song is actually in Return of the King book, just made for this animation.
The Gold Dragon would walk in there reading a paper and eating breakfast.
@@fjccommish Smaug?
2:54 "A tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse… The rider was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man."
And his name is not told in legend for he had forgotten it.
"And he said, 'I am the Mouth of Sauron.'"
I know the old toons don't really measure up to Jackson's films, but they can’t just be discredited either; and a lot of that is owed to the music, in my opinion.
Its nicely drawn as well, the gestures are on point and the aesthetics are great for a fairy tale, also a bit closer to the books in some regards
"Why so glum, wizard?"
"Um.. maybe because we are going into a freaking war against a realm of evil? Why are you so cheerful?"
T.C. Bramblett - it’s because he’s a wizard and that seems to be average behavior from them.
They were already at war, but he knew the upcoming battle would be pointless if Sauron had the ring. He was concerned about the whereabouts of the ring and whether Frodo could cross the orc infested lands of Mordor.
"Because we both have plot armor!"
@@Catubrannos and troll infested too.
Aragorn is a dick in this one, lol. Gandalf:"Bitch, I've lived thousands of years more than you, don't you be sassin' me."
Aragorn:
"Dammit! They command the power of song against us!! What foul, black sorcery is this!!"
"It is said orcs can create no beautiful works - be they armaments, or art, or craft. The old tales say nothing of their voices! As sirens these beasts draw us in - men, cover your ears! The orcs might yet be defeated if only we defy their haunting tones!"
*men clearly struggling not to listen, a few screaming out in agony as they run headlong for the gate hoping to hear more*
This version : *Aragorn let's the mouth of sauron live*
Peter Jackson version: *Aragorn goes for the head*
@Dr. M. H. But not very noble to kill someone at a parley. I can't imagine Tolkien's Aragorn doing that.
@@qwertyTRiG Which is why he didn't. Also Tolkien was more subtle with his bad guys, the Black Numenoreans were still very much humans, just like the Dunedain. The reason Gondor won in the end was the innate nobility of those involved. Boromir came close but was conflicted due to his desire to serve his father's wishes and his own ego so he was cast down. I believe Tolkien was going for the concept of the King must sacrifice himself for his people rather than sacrifice his people for himself.
Aragorn was conflicted because he didn't want that responsibility so he wandered aimlessly until he accepted the responsibility and did what he did.
I loved the films but was disappointed the concept of nobility was lacking in them.
@@Catubrannos The picture of Aragorn as conflicted, unwilling to assume the responsibility of kingship, is not one I get from the novel.
At least in the PJ version he did better than thor
Aragorn mocked the Mouth of Sauron for his grandiose title, said he's just a lowly human slave, and ended the parley with confidence while the Mouth just seethed at him. Maybe he was hoping angry leaders make mistakes or that it would help distract Sauron better. In the Jackson version he gave the Mouth time to prove that Frodo and Sam were dead and that they had a pointless battle ahead of them. So here Aragorn is a better leader but there was more drama in the movie and book.
"Like for real, where is that ring?"
Does Sauron have it?
Wait, the ring is in my pocket, oh fuck!
Fun fact: The artwork in the Legend of Zelda instruction booklet was inspired by this film. The character design, Death Mountain and the landscape was a great source of inspiration for the illustrations of Link, the monsters, the overworld and the confrontation with Ganon.
Aragorn here reminds me of Harkinian from the cdi games
John Hustons voice is simply magnificent as Gandalf! He simply sounded so worldly! An ancient soul imparting his vast wisdom!
I thought it sounded like Leonard Nimoy
@@jonmills6927 personally I think Nimoy would have been an excellent choice! Dont get me wrong love Ian McKellen, but Nimoy had both the look and the voice!!!
@@christopherkerns639 just not the lifespan....
Man, the orcs get the best songs. This, Where There's a Whip, 15 Birds....
I quite like the design of the Nazgul in this version.
Tolkien was pretty descriptive about their flying mounts... they were NOT pegasi. The Fell Beasts were probably some kind of lesser cold drake/pterosaur.
Plus, one of the defining aspects of the Nazgul is that you can't see them without clothes or armor. The quite visible skull heads are just wildly wrong.
@@Swiftbow yeah I agree
@@Swiftbow you can like an interpretation of something even if it's not accurate
@@rossworkshop2799 True enough. I had a little issue with this specifically because I saw this before I read the book, and it confused me. Took me a little while to realize the Nazgul mounts weren't flying horses.
hahaha
This is easily the dodgiest in terms of depictions of the characters and creatures.
but the songs are fun. The voice acting is pretty solid.
I especially like the faithfulness to some of the dialogue and turns of phrase that Tolkein used in the scenes depicted. My favorite part of this is when Aragorn calls Sauron out to face justice. Like you could just ride to the gates of hell and tell The Devil to get his arse out side for a whooping..
It makes sense as a bluff, Aragorn wanted Sauron to think he had the ring so he'd focus everything on his hastily-cobbled together army. Acting that cocky is consistent with him having it.
Nope. Jackson's mess was the dodgiest.
Or like what Fingolfin did to Morgoth.
We shall see.
"his emissary you mean"
"Look, buddy my boss is right there on that tower, as you can see he doesn't have his legs back yet so what exactly were you expecting?"
Actually, he does have legs. He simply feels too important to actually walk to negotiate.
@@user-hz9hu4gh2z actually he cat sleepy times
@@user-hz9hu4gh2z Also having your entire empire instantly disintegrate when you die is a good incentive to lead from the rear.
I do like how the Nazgul are like dark valkyries in a way.
"Our decision is made. Begone! We did not come here to waste words in treating with the likes of you, one of Sauron's slaves."
"bruh then why tf you call for me then"
He didn't, he called for Sauron himself to come out and beg for mercy.
They told me LOTR had a great soundtrack - AND THEY WERE RIGHT!
3:57 That was an unironically good cackle.
The Mouth of Sauron always had an epic entrance
:D when he's speaking it sounds like he's singing
In every version, books, movies or my own imagination
When I listen to this song, I just imagine the orcs are standing in a perfectly formed choir, with a conductor and orchestra.
That little flute riff is so perfect
Is it the flute? Sounds electronic
3:31 We SHALL see
this is a meme in my family, no one can say we'll see, or any variation of that without following up with "we SHALL see"
Hahahahahahhaha
"A question for the people who saw this movie, without reading the books, and before the Peter Jackson movies came out. How many of you thought that the Mouth of Sauron was actually Sauron himself?"
None of them. It's made very clear that he's just Sauron's emissary.
+Slurpee the Great When I was *really little*, the little baby me *was* genuinely confused as to who exactly the Mouth of Sauron was... but I always did know that Sauron was the eye in the tower, even before reading the books or watching the Jackson movies. I just didn't know what the word "emissary" meant at the time.
Little baby me was just like, "You're Sauron's what-now? You're not Sauron, the big eye's Sauron. What're you trying to pull, weirdo black armor man?"
Ricky Jaeger "wierdo black armor man"
Slurpee the Unholy
Be honest, how many kids know what the word “emissary” means? Unless they read a lot of books or maybe devoured a dictionary, I highly doubt any child would even get that meaning.
Slurpee the Unholy I thought he was a man.
In the movies he hardly looks like a man but some weird freak mutant.
The way Aragorn said “we shall see” was unusually sing song 😂😂😂
A bit like Bane in "Dark Knight Rises" in how he has this kind of undulating melody in every syllable. Funny.
Somehow it reminded me Troy McClure in the Planet of the Apes Musical (the Simpsons) where the apes were surprised he could talk and he answered “I CAN SIIIIIING!” 😂
I love how the orcs have the best songs
"I am the Mouth of Papa Smurf! Is there anyone here with the authority to treat with me? Not THOU, Gargamel!"
This deserves to be the top comment!
@@animeAJproductions Don Messick, the vocie of the Mouth of Sauron was the main voice at Hanna-Barbera.
I do love the sort of poetic way they speak.
40 years later John Huston's voice is still one of the best voice overs I've ever heard.
Agreed
the backgrounds are so amazing - the paintings of the mountains are incredibly moody and beautiful
Sauron personally hired the Haradrim's best Band and Choir directors to direct bands to make mood music. They're sitting behind the gates in this case some soldiers on the top are giving them cues on when to stop and start playing.
(seriously, the Orcs have the best singing voices in these movies, they must have formed several big brass bands :D )
My favorite song, very war like, and the male chorus make it very powerful sounding
You like this better than their "Where there's a whip"? Wow.
@@MXB2001
Actually I LOVE both songs.
"He decided to march along the mountains north... and then west,"
Really? West? The map clearly shows he has to travel North and then East. This cracks me up
@@foxshadow1102 lol wut? So Gondor was the eastern kingdom and Arnor was the western kingdom?
@@foxshadow1102 and the "Men of the West" were actually the men of the South?
@@saptsagn3697 No, the Map of Middle earth is North at the top South at the bottom. But Thorin's map is clockwise turned, so East is North, North is West, West is South, and South is East. The producers thought that ALL maps were according to Thorin's.
@@foxshadow1102 oh i see
It's because they will retreat
I can't get over how the nazgul are just witches on pegasi instead of invisible wraiths robed in black
3:00 Batman when he hasn't slept for days.
Is it bad that I find this mouth of Sauron cooler looking than the Jackson Movie version?
Aragorn: "Neither does he [Sauron] use his right name, nor permit it to be spelt or spoken."
Mouth of Sauron: "I am the Mouth of Sauron."
I am the MOTH of Sauron, is there any in this route with the lamps to distract me?
Yeah, i noticed that contradiction as well.
But like his literal job is speaking for sauron? That quote refers to his enemies and the orcs.
Maybe it's like "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice"?
Or whenever someone says his name, it's like a prayer h hears and directs his eye to. So he doesn't want to be distracted by all his servants saying his name all day, every day.
Not thou Aragorn, it needs more to make a king than a rabble such as this!
We shall see.
We SHALL see...
Be warn you are hopeless outnumbered here.
gamer99lo3 Our decision is made. Begone!
@@DryadalumCanticum We did not come here to waste words in treating with the likes of you,one of Sauron's slaves. BEGONE!!!
Gandalf: "As I gazed into my almost certain death..."
Aragorn: "They're only defending not advancing on us. So long as we just stand here we should be fine."
i love this song, its so dark and depressing.
I like how everything in these movies is sung by a bass men's choir. How often do you hear a bass men's choir?
Have fun getting this song stuck out of your head for the next month or so.
Its been stuck in my head my whole life lol
The map of Middle Earth for which Gandalf and Aragorn were studying was so accurate from the maps in Tolkien's books.
nobody:
every character from the LOTR cartoon: "haaa-where"
best rebuttle ever: "RREEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAGH! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
If choice be mine, I choose to march!
Win the battle, lose the war,
Choice of evils lie before your feet,
Retreat, Retreat, Retreat!
If you win then you will lose,
Choice of evils yours to choose,
Retreat...
Retreat, retreat, retreat!
You are standing in the eye of the storm,
Move an inch, and you'll be dead,
You are standing underneath, the towers of the Teeth,
and the Eye...blazes red!
Silence!
2:25 Aragorn yells "Silence"
It's canon: that was not just a soundtrack but the evil forces directly singing to the humans.
"You are standing in the eye of the storm!
Move an inch,
And you'll be dead.
You are standing underneath
The towers of the teeth
And the eye
Blazes red!"
They just don't write them like they used to, do they?
Most of the songs RB ad libbed into the story are fantastic. I don't like how they overexplain things but I guess they were compensating for the fact that they didn't get to start the story properly.
The song has lived in my imagination since childhood and haunts me to this day.
The character design for the Mouth of Sauron and his horse looks awesome!
Big agree
The horses look demonic and it seems fitting
Agree and was a more faithful to the books. Peter Jackson's version was way too over the top. The Mouth of Sauron is suppose to be an asshole, not someone who is scary.
@@ecogreco He is supposed to be scary, just not some defaced monster like in Jackson's RotK.
@@lucarod8877 I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, but in the books he was just a normal looking human who was arrogant. He was more of the villain you wanted see you punched across the face than a scary villain.
2:19 The horse is headbanging hell yeah \m/
My favorite part of this song is when Aragorn yelled "Silence!" and the Orcs stood silent, and he called out "Come forth! The King of Gondor demands the Black lord to come forth, atones for his evils and depart them forever! Come forth!" the other thing they did well were the Nazguls, the Witch King and the Mouth of Sauron
Mariah Raichert How were the Nazgul done well?
+J Spiel well for beginners they actually look more evil than the ones in the movies
These Rankin/Bass productions were so good. The animation, the songs, the great voice acting. I really wish they had been able to do adaptations of Fellowship and Two Towers also. Ralph Bakshi's LOTR movie is also very good, and I wish he had been able to do a second movie finishing the story also. But it was because of the movie rights from his film, and the studio never doing a sequel, that R/B was never able to do a full LOTR adaptation, only RotK. Alas.
You wouldn't happen to know if there are any full body models of the Mouth, would you? You can't really see his body in this scene. I plan to build his armor. I have seen the live action adaptation before, but I want to pay tribute to the animated film by building his armor as a cosplay.
+Jeremiah Johnson you should see that as a good thing, gives you more liberty to build a costume around while still being loyal to this version.
+Jeremiah Johnson Were you on sodahead?
Although if you watch Bakshi followed by Bass you get more or less the whole story.
As I recall the animated LOTR included the Fellowship of the Ring and the first half of the Two Towers.
It was this cartoon and the Rankin Bass version of The Hobbit that got me hooked on Tolkien. John Huston will forever be, for me, THE Gandalf no matter how much I may love Ian McKellan! All of you people who criticize this cartoon can't seem to fathom the fact that we were talking about a 30 minute cartoon in the late '70's. NOBODY but Disney had the money or inclination to make full length animatics movies (and anyone who knows Tolkien knows how he felt about Disney).
Yeah his stance on Disney was rather less than charitable and plainly unfair in my opinion. But I am glad to see someone giving this film its props.
In the Captain's Tent at the beginning, its (from Left to Right): Elladan & Elrohir (missing from PJs version), Gandalf, Aragorn, Eomer & Elfhelm. Only Prince Imrahil is missing (who isnt in the PJ version either).
Huh. I never noticed that before. It's too bad they didn't have the time to expand on their roles.
This animated version really has wonderful production values and some killer songs, like this one (probably my favorite from the film).
I love the atmosphere of this movie. The backdrops and scenery are so bleak. It truly feels like the end of all things in this vision of the story
I know it's a pretty minor part but for some reason I really liked the idea of Saurons eye being in the sky.
Now I always shout SILENCE! just as a song ends, just to show off my authority.
They did not march on the Black Gate to try to achieve victory. They knew they would be greatly outnumbered and overwhelmed. They marched as a diversion to draw Saurons attention away from where they believed Frodo and Sam were. Thats why they did not take the shorter route through the mountains also. Not because it was a narrow pass difficult to march an army through.
Thankfully for all of Middle-Earth, Aragorn was 100% right that Frodo and Sam were right at Mount Doom's doorstep.
Gandalf's beard rubbing gives me life
These animated versions of LotR were great. Thanks for posting them! And I still read the video descriptions! :)
(Who knew orcs turn out to be really good singers - but then they were originally elves lol :) )
As much as I love Peter Jackson's vision of the LOTR setting, it's clips like these that really make me curious to watch the animated interpretations. It also makes me want to see other adaptations of Middle Earth, but not ones that try to copy Jackson, but ones that take risks and offer different tones or emphasizes. Could you imagine an ANIME LOTR?
Alex Ramey - that would only work if they also sang
this is technically an anime as it was animated by Topcraft, an old Japanese company
idk man, i like the anime look. looks storybook like, fitting for a fantasy book series.
Anime lord of the rings is all well and good but imagine...
ANIME DUNE!
@@matteoooo4791 Actually I'd rather have an anime try LOTR than a modern Western animation studio. Anime developers would try to stick closer to the story line and take the time to develop the plot out properly rather than taking insane shortcuts.
I loved the Pegasi more than the fell beasts. I don't care whether they were in the Tolkien story or not, I wish Jackson had adopted these into his movies.
I love viggo mortensen as aragorn, and the return of the king is an outstanding film, but it's sad we did not see this strength and passion when he ordered the march against mordor. Not the actor's fault, definitely on the writers there. Still, I love both movies.
Jackson's films were awful.
What about his speech about Men of the West? Viggo was phenomenal
My friends all think I'm weird when I say I like this, but I don't care. This movie is awesome! The music is top notch!
I forgot how much I loved the Aragorn in this version & even the Gandlalf. These two helped form the ideas I had of the characters when I finally read the book. :)
When I read the books, I still hear Gandalf's lines in John Huston's voice
One of the things I noticed last time I watched this was that, despite being the title character, Aragorn has approximately 9 lines in the whole movie.
I actually like the visual design of this movie (for the most part), but the directing and writing is really weird at points.
The encounter with Sauron's Mouth serves no purpose. In the book, it gives Sauron the opportunity to pretend that he had both the Ring and Frodo in his grasp. He wanted to crush his enemy's hope.
Here, Gandalf just randomly asks the question to give a segueway.
Well, in the books, Sauron thought Aragorn had the ring. There's no reason for Sauron to pretend that he had the ring. Though you are right that he is pretending to use Frodo as a hostage. But the Mouth of Sauron mentioning only one Hobbit captured makes Gandalf bet that Sauron doesn't have the ring.
Aragorn sounds kind of like Viggo Mortensen when he says "Come forth! The lord of Gondor commands the black lord to come forth."
OMG!!! I love you s
o much now for uploading this song!!
First comment 17 years ago...
Those flying demon horses are AWESOME
Yesterday, May 11, 2016 marked the 36th Anniversary of when this return of the king movie was first televised. I remember seeing it on that day on ABC. It aired on a Sunday but I only saw half of it. I was changing the dial when I suddenly saw these orcs singing "Where There's a Whip There's a Way." That stuck in my memory and got me interested in Tolkien's Middle Earth along with THE HOBBIT movie.
“Retreat, Retreat, RETREAT!!!”
This is my fave song (next to the whip) from the LotR cartoons. "Win the battle, Loose the war" inspired the pinacle of the second saga I'm writting ^_^ "You are standing in the eye of the storm" line is way good too! Mmm, they had such a good men's chorus for these cartoons!!!
Did Aragorn's VA have a stroke at 3:31 or what?
We SHALL see!
What's a VA?
voice actor
"We did not come here to waste words in treating with like's of you.......one of Sauron's slave's. Be gone!"
Apostrophe doesn't mean "look out, here comes an S!"
I know this movie is ridiculed a lot but this is genuinely one of the most badass moments in any Lord of the Rings media
even 70's animated lord of the rings more epic than most of movies today
Come forth, the king of Gondor shouted to the black king, and win atonement from your evils, departing from them for ever.
But the black lord came fifth, and won a toaster.
As poorly done as these films were, I still love them for introducing me to Tolkien's fantastic world. At the time I was maybe 10, and reading LOTR was a monumental task that i didn't accomplish until I was 14. I owe a lot to these films.
I saw these films in the 80's just after reading the books in 1980 and I sure thought them flawed at the time. Little did I know then that they would end up becoming the best and most definitive filmed versions we'd get! When Jackson's films came out I had such high hopes... by the time the third film came out I knew that his take on them was basically wrong. The more time passes the less likely it seems there will ever be a better version than these original animated films. The culture degenerates, the new generations have not the slightest clue as to what Tolkien (born in the 19th century!) intended.
Who woudl have thought that Middle Earth had such wonderful, professional, and talented Orc singers...
"See-rith Ungol"
It makes me feel uncomfortable.
@John Doe It's pronounced like.
Kee-rith Uncle
@@combineadvisorwithinternet6040 Correct. In Sindarin, the C is typically pronounced as a hard C - Kirith, Keleborn, Karadhras
Yeah, these movies are terrible.
And who is Sore-on?
For such a chaotic, unruly people these Orcs put alot of effort in their chorus.