This is one of the most fantastic talks I've ever heard. I'm a trained mediator and healer and she's expressed so much I didn't know how to say. Thank you!
Again one those people who is more elegant, wittier and smarter than most people you will find on mainstream media - thanks so much for this conversation with Diane
@@j_freed she honestly is just about the most skilled and charismatic facilitator that I know of - if I had the chance to visit her sanga I would be there regularly
@ NLP, baby! Under the level of speech, there are elements of breathing, facial-muscular tension and direction, vectors of bilateral architecture and the intention they carry, a dizzying amount of data is being communicated. I really "feel" that when the one being communicated with is conscious of this, the other communicator can be led to a degree of "sympathetic" awareness. This is the amassed quality of a great communicator, before they open their mouth.
I facilitate support groups through National Alliance on Mental Illness, and I use the technique of adding "just the right" amount of strife. Diane is really onto something when she brought that point up, I think I have seen that give someone the third person Solomon effect that Jonny V has mentioned. Sometimes people just need to see the internal workings of someone experienced. By the way, this woman needs to talk to Jonathan Pageau, her lexicon maps on very well to his (especially Pageau's last patreon only video.) Thanks for sharing this content.
As a trauma survivor, it is also my experience that you can train yourself to be triggered and still be able to allow in information that then deactivated the HPA axis.
Collective improvisation in music... a great example of how the merger of collective intelligence and collective insight bring ‘the new’ - like the discussion a lot thank you! Can we stop solving problems and create new realities where problems dissolve through collaborative and creative action learning?
Liked, already subscribed, and shared on FB with 'I love Rebel Wisdom' as comment. Also shared on Thinkspot as the possible source of Rule 7 of The Gentle Art of Shut The Fuck Up, which is mostly about listening but needs modes of engagement like this.
25.30 and following. The most important part of what she says, "a shared intention." That is the rub is it not? Today's polarization, which is the subject of so much that is said here at RW, stems out of directly opposing intentions, out of a vast array of intentions at times. The methodology of peace and cooperation, even the structures have been in place in the west for a long time. That is what democracy in its various forms has been created to be, is it not? But there has been a divergence of intention so deep that only a decisive crushing of one side or the other will resolve it, or a catastrophic circumstance such that simple survival becomes the common denominator, the common intention. This has been the strategy of the climate alarmists, to try to create such a sense of imminent doom, that the human survival mechanism will override everything else. So far it has been unsuccessful, simply because human instincts can also detect a contrivance, and the perpetrators have leaned too heavily on the ignorance of the masses and the continuity of science. And it does not help them that such doomsday scenarios have been used so often in the past, such as to push nations to war, and the truth of these frauds has been so widely disseminated in this information age that a cynicism has developed that only obvious imminent danger could overcome, or as Reagan put it, a perceived common enemy. There is one other possibility we can hope for. War weariness of large numbers from both sides of the polarization, combined with a charismatic person who can come up the middle and draw majorities from a large enough section of the middle to totally marginalize the margins, so to speak, and have that calming effect that will allow people to create a common purpose once more, or perhaps revive an older one.
I bet my self one day $100 dollars that I could actually prove global warming wrong, and I failed, because one can’t without using old science or litterally reading of the scripts of non-peer revied studies. The problem with climate science is that it is inherently, a series of complex systems and so it’s easy for people to try an blow certain things out of proportion and parade it around as a way that it’s false in such a way that uneducated people can’t tell the diffference. I noticed too that the republicans where all in favor of working on climate change but the moment a tax got introduced it was like a bomb went off, suddenly it was all fake without any proof that it is. I also suggest looking up “Simon Clark” who is a student who has a PhD in climate science and he does a good job of explaining things. Like if your listening to anyone about climate change other than a climate scientist, odds are you are not even hearing uptodate stuff.
Re: collective intelligence. 150 (people , chimpanzees, birds ) seems to be a significant number. Also, differentiation is cool until it isn't. I like that statement. Sounds like a difficult job.
Sameness and difference do seem to be the fundamental building blocks of our minds. I have a tendency to calculate situations than act by intuition, so I cannot get a sense of relevant conflict in real-time. But I still feel wisdom is born from comprehensible conflict. We speak through our own lenses, and removed tension is a clearer lens. I do have a resistance to act before conceiving. (I have not learned well enough that side of the rotation of the behavioral thought cycle) But I suspect there is a low enough tension level where that no longer applies.
Diane Musho Hamilton quote highlights from this video: “Within a conflict situation, neurobiology drives a lot of what happens.” “I think that working with the body is the first thing.” “It is not a given that everyone in the room can hold two perspectives in their body-mind at the same time without an overabundance of chaos and tension.” “I see collective intelligence as the capacity of a group, regardless of size, to function optimally, and holistically, and compassionately for the well-being of the whole.” “Individual autonomy is essential to collective intelligence.” “Coherence is really important to human efficiency, but differentiation and struggle is important to human creativity.” “As soon as differences can emerge and people can find out how to work with them, they trust each other more.” “Usually what you find in high states of coherences is the mind is empty, available, present, and listening is happening easily and spontaneously.” “To the extent that we're telling a story, cognition is preoccupied with that story, and our awareness cannot be extended as openly as it would otherwise.” “The ego is not wrong, but the ego is limited. The ego does create division in the mind because, where there's a narrative, that narrative is separating us from our immediate experience.”
Increase in the intensity as a skill to collide positions of perspective seems geometric and AR augmented reality interfaces seem to offer a technology to visually map intentional geometry in conversation. Simply put we will be able to see what we mean using visual logic. 2025 expect this dashboard layout to begin emerging.
Monopoly over the world economy and the money supply are the very two components we use to determine the extent of misery around the planet, hence and the misery index. There's no need to make this into an abstract never ending intellectual blunder. We have the answer let us implement the solution, return to the ancient free Marketplace and sound money.
I believe it's from child psychology, and is built into the Big Five Indicator as Openness (to new experience - in opposition to 'closed'). Dweck's book according to some is using this openness/exploration as the foundation for growth mindset, and her book I found really useful!
Are there any examples of great breakthroughs and transformations from these collective/cohesion groups? I just don't believe it. I've never seen it. I've seen people have so-called breakthrough experiences, but either the content is not so great or you see them a week later and they are back to the way they were before the breakthrough. Of course, you do see great cohesion in sports teams and in big projects like NASA.
Yeah I have that seem feeling. I think teams and NASA have a very obvious goal, full of committed engaged folks. Other groups don't have the same coherent goal, and people are at odds with what they and others want. Consciousness transformation feels like a big complex goal, but maybe that's evolutions party trick??!
Conservatives have become less conservative but liberals are no longer liberals they have become hardcore leftists. That is the biggest change causing extreme polarization.
Less conservative? We live in a world where the campaign slogan "Mexican rapist" got a failed casino magnate elected POTUS. However, I agree with your on the post-Enlightenment new left.
My God! It's so hard to keep listening to people when they start presenting metaphysical solutions. That is not how you fix societal problems. I get that we've become spiritually unfulfilled as religions become discredited by science. But getting spiritual is an easy escape, it doesn't actually bring meaning or purpose to your life. As much as I dislike the narrowness of environmentalists and feminists, they are correct in one way. They perceived a problem in the world and work toward fixing it. It gives their lives meaning (which is probably why they are unwilling to listen to objectors). If you want to stabilize and grow a society, find common goals that all agree with and work towards those. Then you have shared meaning and shared purpose.
Hard disagree. If an individual's meaning is encapsulated by solving a specific societal Issue, then that Issue becomes a religion in and of itself. You propose we become a world of fanatics, each believing theirs is the One True Issue and their faction has the One True Answer. What happens when the fanatical Environmentalists, whose mission is to save the planet, come into conflict with the fanatical Economists, who are working to end poverty? You birth the Climate Denier and the Eco-Fascist. Fanatical Feminists become Social-Justice Authoritarians, Fanatical atheists shoot up churches, fanatical Muslims radicalize. Spirituality gives us something higher to set our sights on, rather than wallowing in the issues of the present and spending all our energy trying to fix every single issue.
@@JacobSmaby I appreciate your point of view there. Though I don't believe that I proposed making fanatics of any kind. Fanatics tend to be people who both disenchanted with the world and aren't very critical thinkers. I proposed making a society with common goals that all agree with and work towards those. That would, in theory, give the vast majority of society purpose. A better education system would create more critical thinkers. Indoctrination creates fanatics. Our "western" fanatics were created, in the main, by a lack of oversight at Universities. The current upsurge has been caused by the Internet, a reckless mainstream media and a loss of faith in governments. The "western" ideologies (feminism, environmentalism, etc) attract the highly empathetic (prone to radicalization) who then create an environment of acceptance which collects those outside of the social normal. Which is why they are full of outcasts and unstable people (also easily radicalized). I've personally found no value in modern spirituality. To me it seems like a huge waste of time and energy. But I won't deny it seems to help some people (though perhaps therapy would have been a better answer). However a note of warning. Spirituality of even the most benign type morphs into religion given enough time and popularity. Religion creates fanatics.
@@jackcornelius8021 Jack Cornelius I heed your warning. All belief systems tend to spring from a singular kernal of truth and expand outwards, transforming society and forming institutions that calcify over time, becoming rigid. However, I'd like you to consider that rational scientific materialism is another such belief system. It has its own dogmas, institutions, high priests, and heretics. It had its hayday, but after all these years the internal contradictions are becoming glaring. I'd also like to address your naïeve proposition that our society only has to organize itself around solving a group of issues that 'everyone agrees on'. Should we all just drop the weapons and hold hands and sing and bang bongos too? My point was that, when a person organizes their life and belief system around a single social issue, that issue becomes their religion. You are trying to escape the issues that come with religion, but what you are doing is setting up lowly material belief systems that are doomed to devolve into chaos. When you focus all belief on the material and social, you end up in totalitarian states which attempt to create heaven on earth and can justify any number of attrocities to get there. See, CCCP, Nazi Germany.
This is all about the pandering to the weak psychological self, the reactionary needful emotive and fearful self! One needs to discover the philosophical self! The philosophical self decides what to think and how to act as opposed to the selfish psychological and reactive self! bye y'all.
I've been involved in two very interesting conversations that have been deleted. Never happened before. But an environment like this...easily turbulent.
This is all about the pandering to the weak psychological self, the reactionary needful emotive and fearful self! One needs to discover the philosophical self! The philosophical self decides what to think and how to act as opposed to the selfish psychological and reactive self! bye y'all.
This is one of the most fantastic talks I've ever heard. I'm a trained mediator and healer and she's expressed so much I didn't know how to say. Thank you!
Again one those people who is more elegant, wittier and smarter than most people you will find on mainstream media - thanks so much for this conversation with Diane
Mainstream media is becoming oldstream media. Times they be a changin'.
@@j_freed she honestly is just about the most skilled and charismatic facilitator that I know of - if I had the chance to visit her sanga I would be there regularly
This is brilliant. Just the sound of her voice shifted my energetic state and nervous system into rest/relax! Instantly.
@ NLP, baby! Under the level of speech, there are elements of breathing, facial-muscular tension and direction, vectors of bilateral architecture and the intention they carry, a dizzying amount of data is being communicated. I really "feel" that when the one being communicated with is conscious of this, the other communicator can be led to a degree of "sympathetic" awareness. This is the amassed quality of a great communicator, before they open their mouth.
It’s called ASMR
I facilitate support groups through National Alliance on Mental Illness, and I use the technique of adding "just the right" amount of strife. Diane is really onto something when she brought that point up, I think I have seen that give someone the third person Solomon effect that Jonny V has mentioned.
Sometimes people just need to see the internal workings of someone experienced. By the way, this woman needs to talk to Jonathan Pageau, her lexicon maps on very well to his (especially Pageau's last patreon only video.) Thanks for sharing this content.
I took notice how she talked what she experienced through the work and how it relates to theories. Thank you for doing this interview.
The tension of coherence and differentiation also shows up in the push and pull of the connection in intimate relationships.
14 commandments?
Thank you for not putting the video in those windowed laptop/ipad graphics. This was a much more enjoyable viewing experience.
Some of the best comments on the true nature of group facilitation I've yet to encounter.
Absolutely stunning. Thank you for references to your own background to underline these concepts.
As a trauma survivor, it is also my experience that you can train yourself to be triggered and still be able to allow in information that then deactivated the HPA axis.
Another 💎. Thank you so much.
Collective improvisation in music... a great example of how the merger of collective intelligence and collective insight bring ‘the new’ - like the discussion a lot thank you! Can we stop solving problems and create new realities where problems dissolve through collaborative and creative action learning?
Liked, already subscribed, and shared on FB with 'I love Rebel Wisdom' as comment. Also shared on Thinkspot as the possible source of Rule 7 of The Gentle Art of Shut The Fuck Up, which is mostly about listening but needs modes of engagement like this.
25.30 and following. The most important part of what she says, "a shared intention." That is the rub is it not? Today's polarization, which is the subject of so much that is said here at RW, stems out of directly opposing intentions, out of a vast array of intentions at times.
The methodology of peace and cooperation, even the structures have been in place in the west for a long time. That is what democracy in its various forms has been created to be, is it not? But there has been a divergence of intention so deep that only a decisive crushing of one side or the other will resolve it, or a catastrophic circumstance such that simple survival becomes the common denominator, the common intention.
This has been the strategy of the climate alarmists, to try to create such a sense of imminent doom, that the human survival mechanism will override everything else. So far it has been unsuccessful, simply because human instincts can also detect a contrivance, and the perpetrators have leaned too heavily on the ignorance of the masses and the continuity of science.
And it does not help them that such doomsday scenarios have been used so often in the past, such as to push nations to war, and the truth of these frauds has been so widely disseminated in this information age that a cynicism has developed that only obvious imminent danger could overcome, or as Reagan put it, a perceived common enemy.
There is one other possibility we can hope for. War weariness of large numbers from both sides of the polarization, combined with a charismatic person who can come up the middle and draw majorities from a large enough section of the middle to totally marginalize the margins, so to speak, and have that calming effect that will allow people to create a common purpose once more, or perhaps revive an older one.
I bet my self one day $100 dollars that I could actually prove global warming wrong, and I failed, because one can’t without using old science or litterally reading of the scripts of non-peer revied studies. The problem with climate science is that it is inherently, a series of complex systems and so it’s easy for people to try an blow certain things out of proportion and parade it around as a way that it’s false in such a way that uneducated people can’t tell the diffference. I noticed too that the republicans where all in favor of working on climate change but the moment a tax got introduced it was like a bomb went off, suddenly it was all fake without any proof that it is.
I also suggest looking up “Simon Clark” who is a student who has a PhD in climate science and he does a good job of explaining things.
Like if your listening to anyone about climate change other than a climate scientist, odds are you are not even hearing uptodate stuff.
Re: collective intelligence.
150 (people , chimpanzees, birds ) seems to be a significant number. Also, differentiation is cool until it isn't. I like that statement. Sounds like a difficult job.
Does the term field in this context mean something like collective outer space? Or maybe outer landscape?
Sameness and difference do seem to be the fundamental building blocks of our minds. I have a tendency to calculate situations than act by intuition, so I cannot get a sense of relevant conflict in real-time. But I still feel wisdom is born from comprehensible conflict.
We speak through our own lenses, and removed tension is a clearer lens. I do have a resistance to act before conceiving. (I have not learned well enough that side of the rotation of the behavioral thought cycle) But I suspect there is a low enough tension level where that no longer applies.
Diane Musho Hamilton quote highlights from this video: “Within a conflict situation, neurobiology drives a lot of what happens.”
“I think that working with the body is the first thing.”
“It is not a given that everyone in the room can hold two perspectives in their body-mind at the same time without an overabundance of chaos and tension.”
“I see collective intelligence as the capacity of a group, regardless of size, to function optimally, and holistically, and compassionately for the well-being of the whole.”
“Individual autonomy is essential to collective intelligence.”
“Coherence is really important to human efficiency, but differentiation and struggle is important to human creativity.”
“As soon as differences can emerge and people can find out how to work with them, they trust each other more.”
“Usually what you find in high states of coherences is the mind is empty, available, present, and listening is happening easily and spontaneously.”
“To the extent that we're telling a story, cognition is preoccupied with that story, and our awareness cannot be extended as openly as it would otherwise.”
“The ego is not wrong, but the ego is limited. The ego does create division in the mind because, where there's a narrative, that narrative is separating us from our immediate experience.”
Increase in the intensity as a skill to collide positions of perspective seems geometric and AR augmented reality interfaces seem to offer a technology to visually map intentional geometry in conversation.
Simply put we will be able to see what we mean using visual logic.
2025 expect this dashboard layout to begin emerging.
Monopoly over the world economy and the money supply are the very two components we use to determine the extent of misery around the planet, hence and the misery index. There's no need to make this into an abstract never ending intellectual blunder. We have the answer let us implement the solution, return to the ancient free Marketplace and sound money.
What do we do with coherence?
8:05 Is Exploratory vs.Defensive state of mind a new view of Dweck's Mindset? Growth = Exploratory, Fixed = Defensive.
I believe it's from child psychology, and is built into the Big Five Indicator as Openness (to new experience - in opposition to 'closed'). Dweck's book according to some is using this openness/exploration as the foundation for growth mindset, and her book I found really useful!
Are there any examples of great breakthroughs and transformations from these collective/cohesion groups? I just don't believe it. I've never seen it. I've seen people have so-called breakthrough experiences, but either the content is not so great or you see them a week later and they are back to the way they were before the breakthrough. Of course, you do see great cohesion in sports teams and in big projects like NASA.
Yeah I have that seem feeling. I think teams and NASA have a very obvious goal, full of committed engaged folks. Other groups don't have the same coherent goal, and people are at odds with what they and others want. Consciousness transformation feels like a big complex goal, but maybe that's evolutions party trick??!
@@gregorbingham Yes, I like the exploration of group conversations. But RW needs to question the big claims, desperation, and hopes.
Conservatives have become less conservative but liberals are no longer liberals they have become hardcore leftists. That is the biggest change causing extreme polarization.
Aren't you glad we're right and they're wrong? It sure helps me feel better about my miserable life.
Less conservative? We live in a world where the campaign slogan "Mexican rapist" got a failed casino magnate elected POTUS. However, I agree with your on the post-Enlightenment new left.
My God! It's so hard to keep listening to people when they start presenting metaphysical solutions. That is not how you fix societal problems. I get that we've become spiritually unfulfilled as religions become discredited by science. But getting spiritual is an easy escape, it doesn't actually bring meaning or purpose to your life. As much as I dislike the narrowness of environmentalists and feminists, they are correct in one way. They perceived a problem in the world and work toward fixing it. It gives their lives meaning (which is probably why they are unwilling to listen to objectors). If you want to stabilize and grow a society, find common goals that all agree with and work towards those. Then you have shared meaning and shared purpose.
Hard disagree. If an individual's meaning is encapsulated by solving a specific societal Issue, then that Issue becomes a religion in and of itself. You propose we become a world of fanatics, each believing theirs is the One True Issue and their faction has the One True Answer.
What happens when the fanatical Environmentalists, whose mission is to save the planet, come into conflict with the fanatical Economists, who are working to end poverty? You birth the Climate Denier and the Eco-Fascist. Fanatical Feminists become Social-Justice Authoritarians, Fanatical atheists shoot up churches, fanatical Muslims radicalize.
Spirituality gives us something higher to set our sights on, rather than wallowing in the issues of the present and spending all our energy trying to fix every single issue.
@@JacobSmaby I appreciate your point of view there. Though I don't believe that I proposed making fanatics of any kind. Fanatics tend to be people who both disenchanted with the world and aren't very critical thinkers. I proposed making a society with common goals that all agree with and work towards those. That would, in theory, give the vast majority of society purpose. A better education system would create more critical thinkers.
Indoctrination creates fanatics. Our "western" fanatics were created, in the main, by a lack of oversight at Universities. The current upsurge has been caused by the Internet, a reckless mainstream media and a loss of faith in governments. The "western" ideologies (feminism, environmentalism, etc) attract the highly empathetic (prone to radicalization) who then create an environment of acceptance which collects those outside of the social normal. Which is why they are full of outcasts and unstable people (also easily radicalized).
I've personally found no value in modern spirituality. To me it seems like a huge waste of time and energy. But I won't deny it seems to help some people (though perhaps therapy would have been a better answer). However a note of warning. Spirituality of even the most benign type morphs into religion given enough time and popularity. Religion creates fanatics.
@@jackcornelius8021 Jack Cornelius I heed your warning. All belief systems tend to spring from a singular kernal of truth and expand outwards, transforming society and forming institutions that calcify over time, becoming rigid. However, I'd like you to consider that rational scientific materialism is another such belief system. It has its own dogmas, institutions, high priests, and heretics. It had its hayday, but after all these years the internal contradictions are becoming glaring.
I'd also like to address your naïeve proposition that our society only has to organize itself around solving a group of issues that 'everyone agrees on'. Should we all just drop the weapons and hold hands and sing and bang bongos too? My point was that, when a person organizes their life and belief system around a single social issue, that issue becomes their religion. You are trying to escape the issues that come with religion, but what you are doing is setting up lowly material belief systems that are doomed to devolve into chaos.
When you focus all belief on the material and social, you end up in totalitarian states which attempt to create heaven on earth and can justify any number of attrocities to get there. See, CCCP, Nazi Germany.
environment shapes peoples behavior
Mix it all up and just throw it up in the air. Existence probably will not even notice .
This is all about the pandering to the weak psychological self, the reactionary needful emotive and fearful self! One needs to discover the philosophical self! The philosophical self decides what to think and how to act as opposed to the selfish psychological and reactive self! bye y'all.
Started speaking at 0:36 and got the first "we" that felt like trying to speak for me at 0:43 . So 8 seconds until I (
I liked it, and I appreciate you didn't.
@@gregorbingham Hey, some people like wee-wee... of course. Others like being spoken for... you do you!
People don’t know how to say “HELLO” in any language 😒
P.S. if you critique this video, your comment is automatically erased, FYI...
Nope. Critique away
I've been involved in two very interesting conversations that have been deleted. Never happened before.
But an environment like this...easily turbulent.
@@ninstar8165 not by us
@Rebel Wisdom That's good to hear, thanks :)
Pseudo-scientific word soup. Just because the words fit together and are somewhat elegant sounding does not mean they have real meaning or depth.
Processing of language is key; deficiencies are too apparent for me to be as nice as I would like.
the lady clearly dont know anything she just spoke spoke about self experience he said: i dont know.... i saw 12 min not metion to Jung...
In the course of 3 years my whole neighborhood is behind blinds and our culture is GONE 😏
Summery: learn how to read people/the crowd.
* summary?
j freed visually impaired, voice dictation on the iPhone is screwy again.
This is all about the pandering to the weak psychological self, the reactionary needful emotive and fearful self! One needs to discover the philosophical self! The philosophical self decides what to think and how to act as opposed to the selfish psychological and reactive self! bye y'all.