How They Did It - The Government of Ancient Carthage DOCUMENTARY

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  • Documentary on the Government of Ancient Carthage. Access history lectures with a free trial through our sponsor, The Great Courses Plus ow.ly: ow.ly/K3F030qtO6E
    We explore the hidden history of Carthage that gets all too often overlooked by the Punic Wars with Rome. In this documentary episode we focus on the Government of Ancient Carthage. The episode begins with an overview of the history of Carthage before covering the specific levels of government. These include the suffetes, the senate, the popular assembly, the generals, the commissions, and more.
    Stay tuned for more history documentaries on the rise and fall of Carthage and the social history of this forgotten civilization. Eventually we will also cover the famed Punic Wars with Rome but with a far greater understanding for the North African empire. See our How They Did It and Moments in History series for more documentary videos.
    Sources and Suggested Reading:
    "Carthage: A History" by Serge Lancel
    "The Carthaginians" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage's Other Wars" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage Must be Destroyed" by Richard Miles
    #History
    #Carthage

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  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  Před 4 lety +132

    We will continue to cover the history of Ancient Carthage! Be sure to check out our first episode on the Rise of Carthage: czcams.com/video/XCbag4UIvBc/video.html

    • @utubrGaming
      @utubrGaming Před 4 lety +1

      Will you also do the Evolution of the Roman Legions, Part 2, Late Roman Kingdom?

    • @mylesjude233
      @mylesjude233 Před 4 lety +1

      Great, can't wait to watch more about carthage.

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal Před 4 lety

      Invicta Will you by chance cover the Sicilian wars? It’s a pretty long subject, and something I haven’t delved my self too into, but it be really cool to see it

    • @jivkotodorov84
      @jivkotodorov84 Před 4 lety +1

      Hello Invicta - i like your work and i have one question for you.
      i know that Guan Yu is chinese general who is worshiped as God of War - a friend told me that there was one more Tang dynasty who had nickname God of War but was never worshiped. He sad that he found this information in one of your videos, i cant find this video. Can you please tell me who is this general and what is the video ? If you cant thank you for your work anyway. Good day for you.

    • @giveussomevodka
      @giveussomevodka Před 4 lety +1

      @Invicta Hey, can you upload the bird view image of Carthage you use as a background for this video? Its pretty inspirational when thinking about life back then, I'd love to have it.

  • @sirdavidoftor3413
    @sirdavidoftor3413 Před 4 lety +771

    “Details lost to time”= Rome burnt and destroyed everything
    Stay safe, stay well

    • @finalprophet813
      @finalprophet813 Před 4 lety +96

      Rome was a very spiteful & envious empire, look at their conquest throughout the Mediterranean & Near East they burnt down and destroyed most what was left of every old civilisation that was there before them, that’s why we find it hard to get so many details on certain empires or civilisations.

    • @protocetus499
      @protocetus499 Před 4 lety +50

      @@finalprophet813 roma invicta

    • @sadvenom7826
      @sadvenom7826 Před 4 lety +39

      @@finalprophet813 roma aeterna!!

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 Před 4 lety +12

      Rome: Masters of the OG Extermanatus

    • @TheSuperhoden
      @TheSuperhoden Před 4 lety +38

      @@finalprophet813 well that's not completely true, yes Rome caused a lot of trouble, but under Roman rule local cultures flourished.

  • @Richard-pm8sd
    @Richard-pm8sd Před 4 lety +236

    Finally, I am much more interested in the phoenicians than the romans, amazing history

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 Před 4 lety +7

      Words like that will have you thrown from the tarpian rock

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 Před 4 lety +8

      @president camacho ghadafi is an Arab. Carthage has nothing to do with him

    • @amazigh8776
      @amazigh8776 Před 4 lety +5

      Tu51ndBl4d3 ghadaffi is from a berber tribe and the punics are not phoenicians asswel

    • @Yanzdorloph
      @Yanzdorloph Před 4 lety +5

      @president camacho funny you said that, cuz Rome had a lybian emperor once, from the same place ghaddafi was born

    • @Yanzdorloph
      @Yanzdorloph Před 4 lety +10

      @@Tu51ndBl4d3 dude all north africa is only arab by language, not real arabs even their dialect is smtg like "berber structur of th phrase + deformed arabc words" so yeah carthage andghadaffi prob have somekind of link

  • @MaziarYousefi
    @MaziarYousefi Před 4 lety +246

    It's 7:30 here in Iran, I watched this between breakfast and getting ready to go to the hospital, I love your videos and I watched most of them, incredible channel.
    I have really limited time as a doctor and I enjoy history a lot, a lot lot! I really appreciate your channel.
    It should have far more subscribers.

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 Před 4 lety +7

      Yikes, you guys have it pretty rough right now.

    • @wael4070
      @wael4070 Před 4 lety +16

      Stay save people of Iran

    • @thesnake2620
      @thesnake2620 Před 4 lety +4

      You mean Persia :)

    • @kayeka4123
      @kayeka4123 Před 4 lety +4

      Hey guy, thank you for all the good work you're doing out there.

    • @thesnake2620
      @thesnake2620 Před 4 lety +3

      @Somali Kid It was a history joke

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 Před 4 lety +111

    It's interesting how Carthage and Rome essentially used the same Senate system, and just called the top two leaders different names (suffetes, consuls). Did the Romans simply just copy what was known to work in Carthage or did they both arrive at very similar governing concepts separately?

    • @kirkcannon8079
      @kirkcannon8079 Před 4 lety +29

      Ryan Sansaricq
      I know romans copying things was a historical fact, very interested to see if this is true

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 Před 4 lety +44

      @@kirkcannon8079 from what little I can find, it may actually have been the one time the Romans were copied. The Roman Senate shows up in the historical record before that of Carthage, who stuck with monarchs for about a century after the Roman Republic displaced the last King of Rome. Carthage was under control of the Magonid clan during the 5th century BCE, who gradually made concessions to the populace for representation after major struggles and setbacks in Silicy that made them increasingly unpopular. But it seems that the Council of Elders had been around possibly as long as the city had been free from Tyre's influence. There is no way to know if the cities of Rome and Carthage even knew of each other's existence around 500 BCE (it wouldn't be surprising if they did but they couldn't have known much other than "that city on the water over there") but I think its safe to say they both arrived at similar concepts independently; that Carthage got the wheels turning to Republic rule first; and that the Roman Senate took full control before its Punic counterpart, transitioning away from monarchs much quicker.

    • @anaxagoras2930
      @anaxagoras2930 Před 4 lety +20

      Ryan Sansaricq Well I’m
      spitballing here but it’s definitely possible that these ideas spread through trade routes, travel roads, and war paths. And it’s probable they formed their own ideas and took some from the world.

    • @naevia9010
      @naevia9010 Před 2 lety +1

      Basically they copied anything that worked for anybody lol. We know many Romans idolized Greek culture and societies specifically, so they may have done some copying from Greek-style democratic practices. But Rome did copy a LOT of things from Carthage, from ship-building to trading to urban design, so it's definitely a possibility that they copied some of their administrative practices from Carthage as well.

    • @critter30002001
      @critter30002001 Před rokem +4

      I doubt Rome copied it.
      It seems to be a concept that a lot of societies chose to remove the threat of a dictator.
      Sparta had two kings
      Rome had two consuls
      Carthage had two suffetes

  • @baturalpyolcuu
    @baturalpyolcuu Před 4 lety +314

    "When my father was about to go on his Iberian expedition I was nine years old: and as he was offering the sacrifice to Zeus I stood near the altar. The sacrifice successfully performed, my father poured the libation and went through the usual ritual. He then bade all the other worshippers stand a little back, and calling me to him asked me affectionately whether I wished to go with him on his expedition. Upon my eagerly assenting, and begging with boyish enthusiasm to be allowed to go, he took me by the right hand and led me up to the altar, and bade me lay my hand upon the victim and swear that I would never be friends with Rome. So long, then, Antiochus, as your policy is one of hostility to Rome, you may feel quite secure of having in me a most thoroughgoing supporter. But if ever you make terms or friendship with her, then you need not wait for any slander to make you distrust me and be on your guard against me; for there is nothing in my power that I would not do against her."
    (Polybius, 3.11).

    • @mosesracal6758
      @mosesracal6758 Před 4 lety +1

      Wait is that the mythical mind-control game console system?

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 Před 4 lety +8

      He condemned his own country to damnation because of some stupid spite.

    • @TheTablePaper
      @TheTablePaper Před 4 lety +62

      @@luciano9755 Romans instigated all three wars. Roman history is pretty much finding an excuse to attack all their neighbors for the sake of expansion.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive Před 4 lety +25

      @Cromwellian Protectorate Republican The first they did as well. They took the Mamertimes under the fold knowing full well that Carthage would interpret the move as an act of war, given Carthage's previous treaty with the Mamertimes.

    • @iggy1979
      @iggy1979 Před 4 lety +25

      BoxStudioExecutive And prior to the second they imposed unbearable conditions, tribute and when Carthage conquered land in Spain that didn’t interfere with the peace treaty the Romans claimed it did out of spite and threatened them if they did not pull back

  • @Blace0225
    @Blace0225 Před 4 lety +138

    Thank god you covered Carthage, there's not much love on this country who brought Rome to it's knees once.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM Před 4 lety +8

      True. People tend to attack Rome for wiping Carthage off the map, but Carthage almost did the same to Rome. They didn't destroy them either upon winning the war, it took many years of fear.

    • @Blace0225
      @Blace0225 Před 4 lety +18

      @@JonatasAdoM I don't hate Rome to be honest, it's just the way of life empire's rise and fall. If i have to say the empire i hate the most is probably the mongols, but that's just me being bitter that they don't fight fair and war is never fair.
      I just like Carthage as it's the only country that the Rome really feared that they just have to destroy it, no other empires fought Rome at it's prime like Carthage did (Even though it was a pre marian legion), and by Carthage i just mean Hannibal.
      Hannibal is my favorite general alongside Caesar, but you have to admit that Hannibal is the better tactician. He gathered a ragtag of soldiers from different countries with different language and marched against Rome.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin Před 4 lety

      @@Blace0225 Well if I'm correct, the Roman's were also terrified of the Gaul which Caesar conquered.
      Though, I could be wrong.

    • @Blace0225
      @Blace0225 Před 4 lety +1

      @@RailwayPenguin No, Gaul was as much at war with itself as it is with Rome, they are not a united country. The only time they united was when Rome with her armies was acting like they own the place, even then there were tribes that have already allied themselves with Rome and supplying them with cavalry and provisions.
      The only countries who could challenge Rome was a united one, Carthage, Parthia, Huns. That was why it could conquer the known world, most of them was not united, even the Greeks weren't united. It was sad to see Rome deteriorate over the centuries, probably because of the corruption and they kept fighting each other.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin Před 4 lety

      @@Blace0225 Yes but, again I might be wrong, but the Romans were afraid of provoking Gaul too much because they were afraid of Gaul uniting. Take Caesar Vs Vercingetorix, in which Caesar barely had any Gaullic allies, and was on the verge of defeat to Vercingetorix' army for nearly the entire war, with *ANOTHER* army marching towards (formally) Roman controlled Gaullic province which Caesar was supposed to defend. All of this because Caesar acting like he owned Gaul caused the Gaul to unite (more or less) under Vercingetorix.
      Thus even if it is to be debated if most Roman's feared Gaul, we can at least agree that most were afraid to provoke all of it at once, and with good reason.
      Also (unrelated) I believe they were also afraid of the Germans.

  • @Izak_James
    @Izak_James Před 4 lety +86

    Carthage was lit

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 Před 4 lety +11

      Izak James Yea their system of governance was fire 🔥

    • @abloodorange5233
      @abloodorange5233 Před 4 lety +18

      Literally by rome 😂

    • @MrCantStopTheRobot
      @MrCantStopTheRobot Před 4 lety +7

      Guys can we address the elephant in the room?

    • @abloodorange5233
      @abloodorange5233 Před 4 lety +2

      @@MrCantStopTheRobot what I was trying to say was that carthage was lit LITERALLY by rome

    • @MrCantStopTheRobot
      @MrCantStopTheRobot Před 4 lety +2

      @@abloodorange5233 I know, Mr. Gum. I got it, and I enjoyed it. For my part, I was making a pun, since Hannibal's signature military unit was his war-elephants.

  • @tegrin853
    @tegrin853 Před 4 lety +8

    Its crazy how similar the governments of Rome and Carthage were

    • @sevatarlives185
      @sevatarlives185 Před 4 lety +2

      Well... the Carthage/Rome dichotomy is a bit artificial. Carthage and indeed the Phoenician culture in general were also contemporaries of the Ancient Greeks and their "Magna Graecia" colonies- who, needless to say, were also involved in novel constitutional arrangements prior to Roman hegemony in the Mediterranean. The biblical book of judges also outlines a non-monarchical system of governance amongst the Ancient Israelites (though its historicity is disputed), as fellow Semitic languages the word for "Judge" in Hebrew and Phoenician are even very similar. To the North, the Celtic and Germanic tribes the Romans encountered are also described variously as being ruled by aristocratic oligarchies, "judges" or semi-elected kings.
      Personally, I'd suggest that Carthage&Rome were just variations on a theme that was very common in around the Mediterranean basin and Asia Minor in Antiquity. That theme being power coalescing into the hands of rich aristocratic/warrior elite families rather than directly into a single monarch.

  • @malster1239
    @malster1239 Před 4 lety +16

    It's interesting that in that time almost all nations of the mediterranean was adopting a republic system

  • @powerist209
    @powerist209 Před 4 lety +57

    11:41- You mean the "strict caste system that annually terrorizes Helot serfs that outnumber them 10-to-1" Sparta?

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall Před 4 lety +9

      It shows how seriously we should take his opinion on Carthage. :D

    • @ciprianbolun3024
      @ciprianbolun3024 Před 4 lety +7

      That's Isocrates' opinion

    • @karl5722
      @karl5722 Před 4 lety +18

      All of ancient Greece was caracterised by slavery. Even the system of Athens (praised today) was built upon slavery. Slaves and women in fact constituted 90% of the athenian population yet had no right to vote.

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 Před 4 lety +7

      @@karl5722 90% is probably a reach

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide Před 4 lety +3

      @@naddarr1 Doing a bit of reading it seems that even the poorest Athenians would have had at least one slave. So if half the population was women then 1/4 was men and a 1/4 slaves.

  • @nohbuddy1
    @nohbuddy1 Před 4 lety +9

    Got to love that harbour

    • @violasses
      @violasses Před 3 měsíci +1

      it's called a cothon btw. it originally used refer to only the one in carthage, but was later used to describe other similar harbors

  • @ekn_38
    @ekn_38 Před 4 lety +49

    It's almost 5 AM over here in Germany and what am I doing? Watchin this lmao

    • @Condoc64
      @Condoc64 Před 4 lety +2

      Ekn _38 guten Morgen!

    • @pierresihite8854
      @pierresihite8854 Před 4 lety +3

      You mean *Germania*

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 Před 4 lety +5

      Aren’t you supposed to be hiding in the forest waiting to ambush three clueless legions?

    • @Tzimiskes969
      @Tzimiskes969 Před 4 lety +1

      Musst du nicht arbeiten?

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 Před 4 lety

      Germania Colonia Agrippina ?🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @alejandrolopezromero8000
    @alejandrolopezromero8000 Před 4 lety +72

    Last time I was this early, that Scipio kid was arriving at Zama

    • @Tia-Marie
      @Tia-Marie Před 4 lety +1

      @Alejandro López Romero - I got here late and Cato the Elder will never let me forget it.

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 Před 4 lety

      Et tu ? 🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @Dan-cm9ow
    @Dan-cm9ow Před 4 lety +5

    The Other Side of History is my favorite nonfiction audiobook in any category. Robert Garland is an exceptional teacher.

  • @JB-ue6lf
    @JB-ue6lf Před 4 lety +8

    More videos about Carthage! I'm so happy I feel like I could cry. Thank you guys for all your hard work!

  • @SebAnders
    @SebAnders Před 4 lety +5

    I find it amazing that Rome and Carthage had such similar political systems, were they both influenced by an older political tradition?

  • @bigredwolf6
    @bigredwolf6 Před 4 lety +59

    Carthage: Exists
    Rome: wait, that’s illegal

    • @granda2126
      @granda2126 Před 3 lety +5

      yea Carthage actually existed centuries before Rome so.....yea

  • @lexorogtheelder4753
    @lexorogtheelder4753 Před 4 lety +12

    Great video. I have question, maybe you will answer it on the upcoming videos. How was art and culture like in Carthage? Were there any famous artist? Was owning beautiful art pieces a sign of wealth and prestige?

    • @sncii453
      @sncii453 Před 3 lety +1

      I do not subscribe to this version of the creation of Cartage. he assumes that the Berbers were uncultured, pugilistic people who received the exhausted, ragged Phoenician sailors or the destitute refugees as true demiurges. I remind you that history must be revised. The native kings, called Berbers, who received the first refugees were not ignorant they were powerful like the mighty Pharaoh Sheshonq I. Bare in mind that Berber tribes prospered economically and militarily for millennia on the North African and Spanish coasts and the islands of the Mediterranean, establishing trading posts such as Gadiz 3000 BC. The Phoenician traders benefited from these pre-existing networks. This video raises several questions!

  • @preetjitsingh328
    @preetjitsingh328 Před 4 lety +4

    Carthage's system sounds awesome. That being said; the decision to stop the Barca brothers from destroying Rome cost them their civilization.

  • @viperhead121
    @viperhead121 Před 4 lety +2

    This is honestly might be your best series yet. The quality is insane.

  • @bendoy4555
    @bendoy4555 Před 4 lety +2

    Love it - I've been listening to the History of Rome podcast while in lockdown and just got onto the topic of Carthage this morning!

  • @justinbrockway7044
    @justinbrockway7044 Před 4 lety +6

    Hell yes. I’ve been waiting for more Carthage content!

  • @vinfacts11
    @vinfacts11 Před 3 lety +3

    It restores my faith to humanity to know that the country that once was Carthage is now a free and democracy!
    Hail Tunisia!

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před 4 lety +4

    The Carthaginian Government seemed pretty impressive. It could have gone on to serve as a model for many other governments to come. But alas it was crushed by Rome. What a shame. Great job on this video.

  • @SebaIzu
    @SebaIzu Před 4 lety +2

    Excellent video, as always. Very informative. Thanks for lifting my quarantine up!

  • @PunicCurse
    @PunicCurse Před 4 lety +3

    Loving these videos on Carthage! Keep them coming!!!

  • @brandonhuynh4528
    @brandonhuynh4528 Před 4 lety +61

    Bal’Hammon be praised!

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 Před 4 lety +1

      🏛️🏛️🏛️🌿👁️👁️🌿👎

    • @IAmCaligvla
      @IAmCaligvla Před 4 lety +3

      Gotta get some of that child barbecue ready fam. 👌

    • @tndgu
      @tndgu Před 4 lety +1

      The enemy general is killed!

    • @jamesmiller2521
      @jamesmiller2521 Před 2 lety

      Lady Tanit be praised!

  • @procrastination_at_perfection

    Thank you for all the work you put in research and give us this content. Keep it up mates and stay healthy!

  • @vazak11
    @vazak11 Před 4 lety +2

    Beautiful art and insightful coverage!

    • @vazak11
      @vazak11 Před 4 lety

      Like so many other cultures I wish Carthage had risen to prominence over Rome or Greece, it seems less shitty.

  • @bahaigpt
    @bahaigpt Před 4 lety +1

    Just finished by Carthage run in Imperator Rome, thanks for the video!

  • @rogueraven1333
    @rogueraven1333 Před 4 lety +6

    That bird's eye view of the city looks fantastic amazing work you guys. Can you mention the cities defenses in the next one like did Carthage really have that wall going around ye farm land and those 3 walls cutting of the peninsula like Constantinople.

  • @Pianoman555
    @Pianoman555 Před 4 lety +4

    Hi!
    Can you make a video about how they created tickets for the ancient amphitheater’s and events? What sort of materials did they use?

  • @FighteroftheNightman
    @FighteroftheNightman Před 9 měsíci +1

    Interesting topic. Carthage is such an awesome civilization

  • @DangerousBobTM
    @DangerousBobTM Před 4 lety

    Loving this channel!

  • @vladimirbazhaev7851
    @vladimirbazhaev7851 Před 4 lety

    your videos are just top notch!

  • @nyreedix1719
    @nyreedix1719 Před 4 lety

    Thank u sooo much 4 this video

  • @tbj1972
    @tbj1972 Před 4 lety

    Great video again 👍

  • @road3547
    @road3547 Před 4 lety

    Absolutely amazing and love the detail.
    Anyway could there be a video about Guru Gobinsingh? He won many battles against all odds and freed an entire state of people.

  • @miguellliteras7842
    @miguellliteras7842 Před 4 lety +17

    Make a video of how was growing up in ancient Carthage plis, greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Před 4 lety +14

      planning on it

    • @jeffslote9671
      @jeffslote9671 Před 4 lety +1

      If you got to grow up. Child sacrifice was common

    • @asgautbakke8687
      @asgautbakke8687 Před 4 lety

      @@jeffslote9671 Human sacrifice was a religious practice from far into the grey mist of ancient times in Semitic lands, in Egypt it went out of use by the end of the 1st dynasty. That it was taken up again in Carthage may be due to Berber influence may be? It was in any case only children who went to the pyre of Baal Hammon, ideally they should be offspring of the beseecher i.e. in case of a wanted military victory it should be a child of the general...
      It goes without saying that few aristocrats would allow their children to be burnt. So Carthaginian aristocrats had often BIG families of adopted children from poor families of the city, they were granted a life far better than their parents could ever dream about giving them but always under the risk of being thrown to the god for the sake of something important.

    • @jeffslote9671
      @jeffslote9671 Před 4 lety +1

      @@asgautbakke8687 Actually no. The Carthaginians ancestors were the biblical Cannites which is were it comes from. You sacrificed your own children for favor from the gods especially during times of crisis

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 Před 4 lety

      Carthago muerto

  • @danyalullah6320
    @danyalullah6320 Před 4 lety +2

    can you do a video on banking in the ancient world

  • @israeelthegraetking
    @israeelthegraetking Před 4 lety

    Nice work man..

  • @justsomeguy3931
    @justsomeguy3931 Před 4 lety +4

    Sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. You just convinced me to switch sides in the Punic Wars! You should do a video about Ancient Chinese Confucian government, the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, the way the bureaucracy was split into civil and military officials, and the Imperial civil service exams that could let even a peasant become great

  • @raheebr2438
    @raheebr2438 Před 4 lety +7

    Interesting!

  • @golden_smaug
    @golden_smaug Před 4 lety +2

    I freakin love this channel

  • @alverio2727
    @alverio2727 Před 4 lety +51

    "6 minutes ago"
    I'm a simple man. I see a new Invicta video, I press like.

  • @Sakeretsu
    @Sakeretsu Před 4 lety

    I like how Invicta videos are all structured like essays for coursework

  • @beyremalmi684
    @beyremalmi684 Před 4 lety +4

    I d like to thank you for such video about Carthage, In Tunisia we still have information and details that might be useful in spite of what the romans did by turning our ancestors into “the evils “ in front of the world in most of the histo. Books and that we v been just a bench of “barbarians”
    Keep it up guys 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @JMRolf1
    @JMRolf1 Před 4 lety +4

    Please post your sources in the description. Thanks!

  • @humanaesthetic
    @humanaesthetic Před 4 lety +3

    Even in Rome Total War and subsequent mods, I’ve always been interested in Carthage and imagining a counterfactual history where they rose to power instead of Rome. So interesting to hear how democratic they may have been.

  • @karl5722
    @karl5722 Před 4 lety +3

    I like the idea that they seperated military roles from the civil roles in their constitution. We should try this idea!

    • @r.p.4756
      @r.p.4756 Před 4 lety

      Why?

    • @theouerthi
      @theouerthi Před 4 lety

      oddly enough , Tunisia ( modern day Carthage) has that in our constitution , military can't even vote ... And you should look up how highly regarded our military is by our people .

  • @TheSuperhoden
    @TheSuperhoden Před 4 lety

    Love it 😊

  • @ilFrancotti
    @ilFrancotti Před 4 lety +2

    Loved the drawings from Rocio Pinar.

  • @argenthellion
    @argenthellion Před 4 lety +2

    @Invicta Oh we need the link for that Carthage city wallpaper shot... Pretty please :)

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Před 4 lety

      Its artwork I commissioned and will be probably linking in the future

  • @nathanofthefranks2955
    @nathanofthefranks2955 Před 4 lety

    Hey when is part 2 of evolution of the Roman Legions coming? it been 4 years now and you said you will most definitely be finishing it

  • @dezabunny
    @dezabunny Před 2 měsíci

    I think you guys make the best videos it's like You can teach children anything Like my children Watch it all the time

  • @e3ap-bg
    @e3ap-bg Před 4 lety +2

    Great video yet again! Looks to me like Carthagenian government was much like its Roman counterpart. 2 x Consul = 2 x Suffete; Senate is still Senate...

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski79 Před 4 lety +2

    Interesting parallel to the 2 Consuls and the Senate of Rome.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment Před 4 lety +73

    Such a fascinating subject about how the ancient government of Carthage works. However, I cannot stress this enough, *CARTHAGO DELENDA EST*

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal Před 4 lety +13

      Carthago servanda est, Carthage must be saved!

    • @justinbeath5169
      @justinbeath5169 Před 4 lety +15

      @@tyrian_baal no, may Jupiter strike you down for such a horrid suggestion

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal Před 4 lety +8

      justin beath This is a quote from Cornelius Scipio, the grand son of Scipio Africanus, he wanted Carthage to survive and the fact that you call this suggestion horrible, from the grandson of a Scipio, means that you are disrespecting the entire Scipid family, and Jupiter himself. CARTHAGO SERVANDA EST!!

    • @monkofdarktimes
      @monkofdarktimes Před 4 lety +4

      Save carthago don't trust a cato

    • @ahmedawedni2362
      @ahmedawedni2362 Před 4 lety

      Hannibal ad portas

  • @djstona5284
    @djstona5284 Před 4 lety

    interesting video adds more weight to the punic war i had no idea cartage was a republic

  • @abbba2007
    @abbba2007 Před 4 lety +92

    TLDW: We don't know, send your thanks to Scipio.

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 Před 4 lety +5

      Rome left Carthage untouched even when Hannibal had ransacked most of the Roman countryside. Carthage brought doom upon itself when it declared war again after failing to follow a non-agression pact.

    • @paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893
      @paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893 Před 4 lety +14

      @@luciano9755 Which they failled becaues the romans asked too much of them while making everything in their power to make sure Carthage would not be able to keep its part of the agreement.

    • @user-lq1jc6wf5m
      @user-lq1jc6wf5m Před 3 lety +3

      Thanks, Scipio, because of your actions the Light of Rome would continue to shine over Europe for thousands of years.

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 Před 2 lety

      @@luciano9755
      WHAT?!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROME IS CLEARLY AN IMPERIALISTS WHICH IS WHY IT WENT AFTER CARTHAGE FIRST!!! IT CLEARLY WANT TO REMOVE CARTHAGE SO THAT IT CAN BE THE SOLE SUPREME POWER IN THE MEDITERRANEAN!!!
      LOOK AT WHAT ROME DID TO THE JEWS, THE DRUIDS OF THE CELTS, THE GERMANS, ETC.
      STOP ACTING AS IF ROME IS INNOCENT!!

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 Před 2 lety

      F U! Like you, the Romans have zero morality for removing an entire nation from existence! You have zero rights to live!

  • @Number1Irishlad
    @Number1Irishlad Před 4 lety +3

    12:14 "we shall never know" alright boys time for a Punic uprising, restart Carthage!

  • @justinmckay6309
    @justinmckay6309 Před 4 lety +3

    I love history

  • @Armorius2199
    @Armorius2199 Před 4 lety +2

    Are you going to continue the series on what if Caesar lived?????

  • @luciano9755
    @luciano9755 Před 4 lety +31

    There was no "good guys/bad guys" situation. Carthage was expanding as quickly as Rome was, and the Punic Wars were inevitable. It's a shame that they couldn't coexist and benefit from each other.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM Před 4 lety +10

      Some things never change.
      Same thing with Persians and Eastern Romans. It's hard for empires to coexist next to each other.

    • @Strider91
      @Strider91 Před 4 lety +10

      Well they did "benefit from each other" Rome adopted many aspects of Carthages government, military, and even economy. Yes Rome in its early days had no word for "Peace treatise" or "Cease fire" so they fought wars until the enemy was annihilated or Rome was, but they were not some horde of savages. Rome survived as long as it did because when it saw something that worked or that it liked in an enemy it assimilated it almost instantly. That was actually one of Rome greatest strengths was how fast it could adopt and implement even radical change into its culture or military.

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 Před 4 lety +5

      Carthage had human sacrifices, rome did not . Simple choice to me

    • @atafmaalaoui4761
      @atafmaalaoui4761 Před 4 lety +3

      @@zm1786 Rome did not ?
      Gladiators given to beast ? To Lions ?
      To others deadly animals ?
      And i didn't even spoke about slaves...

    • @Strider91
      @Strider91 Před 4 lety +4

      @@atafmaalaoui4761 actually gladiators were seen as investments and would never have been thrown to the beasts. Prisoners and criminals were, it was one of many ways the Roman's would carry out a death sentence. How bad you died depended on the severity of your crime. That stuff's mostly Hollywood or biblical overhyping. Also if you were going to be a slave anywhere in the ancient world trust me. . . .Rome was the place. In Rome you were still your owners property but they would be punished under Roman law for doing you harm. In addition slaves could buy there freedom in Rome and even become Roman citizens there after (allowing them to own slaves) especially if you were the slave of a wealthy family you often learned to read and write and it was against the law for any Roman to starve a slave so you were typically well fed. However if you were captured in war, especially from an arch enemy of Rome the state often took ownership of you. . . . .and worked you to death. But still better than being a slave anywhere else

  • @HarmvE
    @HarmvE Před 4 lety

    I love your vids on Roman society, I thought the law series was amazing.

  • @manooxi327
    @manooxi327 Před 4 lety

    Tnx

  • @RafaelHyginoMeggiolaro

    Would be nice to have access to the sources ^^

  • @THOTHGames
    @THOTHGames Před 4 lety +4

    3:38am. Watching video on Carthage. Whelp.

  • @ahoosifoou4211
    @ahoosifoou4211 Před 4 lety +19

    Just imagine how the world would be like if carthage ruled instead of rome.

    • @loukasmaki
      @loukasmaki Před 4 lety +5

      As Dan Carlin said there wouldn't be any Christianity if there is no Roman soldiers to put Jesus on the cross.

    • @darthmortus5702
      @darthmortus5702 Před 4 lety +4

      Worse, they sacrificed children.

    • @KlaussMarcellus
      @KlaussMarcellus Před 4 lety +15

      Better, Rome only got its power by war and decimating entire cultures to ensure no revolts would happens. Yet Rome was full of rebellions, assassinations and coups d'etat. Carthage in the other hand was the closest goverment to a free one, it was built upon trade and negotiations, always using war as last option. Yet Carthage was way more diverse in every single aspect.

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 Před 4 lety +2

      @@KlaussMarcellus and human sacrifice was the norm .

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 Před 4 lety

      Let's not and say We did 🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- Před 4 lety +1

    Either by sheer coincidence, after watching the history of Carthage, I wondered how the structure of its government was. It is as though the algorithm is set on to actually follow my interests, finally.

  • @ROMA--AETERNA
    @ROMA--AETERNA Před 4 lety +3

    I wonder how much Greek settlements in North Africa, c. VIII° BCE, influenced the Carthage government described here.

  • @EvansdiAl
    @EvansdiAl Před 4 lety

    Can we have a link to Beverly Johnson's art? It was incredible

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Před 4 lety

      It gets shared with Patrons actually

    • @EvansdiAl
      @EvansdiAl Před 4 lety

      @@InvictaHistory We'd like to see her website, I'll get to see the art for this video when I get employed

  • @yosrihadjayed1930
    @yosrihadjayed1930 Před 4 lety

    Lady Tanit bless our journey

  • @legate6680
    @legate6680 Před 4 lety +2

    Honestly I am suprised as much information survived the Romans. Excellent video.
    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed.

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 Před 2 lety

      PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR WHAT HE DID TO ROME! PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR WHAT HE DID TO THE ROMANS AT CANNAE! PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR THE 300,000 ROMAN LIVES LOST IN HANNIBAL BARCA'S CAMPAIGNS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 Před 2 lety

      You're literally glorifying ethnic cleansing. You like the Romans totally deserved what Arminius and Hannibal Barca did to the Romans. You like the Romans totally deserved what the Persians did to Crassus after what happened in Carrhae. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • @menaseven9093
    @menaseven9093 Před 4 lety

    Nice video about Carthage government, Carthage oligarchic republic that was composed of two suffetes (presidents or prime ministers), a senate and a popular assembly remind me of the USA plutocratic democratic republic composed of a president and a vice president, a senate and a house of representative.

  • @ZapR21
    @ZapR21 Před 4 lety +1

    Zeus is proud of this channel

  • @apostolispouliakis7401

    Truly a high civilization

  • @nopulau8628
    @nopulau8628 Před 4 lety

    @Invicta in your opinion, what could’ve saved Carthage? What could they have done to save themselves from total destruction?

    • @PoochieCollins
      @PoochieCollins Před 5 měsíci

      Not Invicta, but I have an opinion on your question, after a somewhat deep dive into Carthage. Still on CZcams?

  • @sirBrouwer
    @sirBrouwer Před 4 lety +2

    can i get a picture version of your Carthage city map? i have looked online but those are less detailed or from the wrong angle.
    I really like the version in the video. makes me want to explore the area

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Před 4 lety +2

      Its a actually a map I commissioned for this series on Carthage. I've also got an alternate version of it under attack for use in our eventual video on the Siege of Carthage.

    • @sirBrouwer
      @sirBrouwer Před 4 lety

      @@InvictaHistory that is then a very good artist.
      i understand that you won't like to public it than a god commissioned item can be pricey. so i will do with just looking at the picture in the video.

  • @lexprontera8325
    @lexprontera8325 Před 4 lety +4

    "People from Phoenix are Phoenicians" - LCK

  • @petercroves8562
    @petercroves8562 Před 4 lety +3

    Would many of the forms of Government being adopted by Rome ?, also the 104 seem like the Senate as they seat for life, What of the Senators?

  • @rymbenboubaker2223
    @rymbenboubaker2223 Před 4 lety +1

    🇹🇳 carthage will remain a gorgeous part of our history as Tunisian ! Not only carthage had one of the oldest constitution but also the biggest port and trade center at that time .also gave birth of the greatest military commanders in history hannibal !
    Other funny facts : carthage was founded by a smart woman who used leather to define her territory...

    • @baam8014
      @baam8014 Před 4 lety +2

      That story is a myth.

  • @SgtThiel
    @SgtThiel Před 4 lety +17

    Did rome and carthage copied the yearly-two-guys system from someone else? Sparta also had two kings, though those were for life

    • @AhmetwithaT
      @AhmetwithaT Před 4 lety +10

      Likely. They were all on the same Mediterranean trade network and all shared some amount of Greek influence.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin Před 4 lety +4

      Rome did grow near many Greek Colonies.

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 Před 4 lety +7

      @@AhmetwithaT Carthage is older than any Greece city state

    • @AhmetwithaT
      @AhmetwithaT Před 4 lety +2

      @@Tu51ndBl4d3 What does that change?

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 Před 4 lety +5

      @@AhmetwithaT So they were not influenced by a child.

  • @MrRedcarpet02
    @MrRedcarpet02 Před 3 lety

    Can you post the music track by itself?

  • @karthebest5155
    @karthebest5155 Před 4 lety +3

    6:06 ya mean wiped out?

  • @Tia-Marie
    @Tia-Marie Před 4 lety +2

    Cato the Elder believes this video lacks salt.

  • @mariojeromechavez6663
    @mariojeromechavez6663 Před 3 lety

    One of the greatest governments in Classical Antiquity!

  • @crose1466
    @crose1466 Před 4 lety +10

    It’s interesting how there’s a lot of similarities to modern systems like America.

    • @reybladen3068
      @reybladen3068 Před 4 lety +7

      Or modern systems were modeled after and improved upon the ancients

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 Před 4 lety +1

      It's also interesting to see how republican systems ceased to exist for about a millenia before the times of the Renaissance. They were on the right path, but stability was a bigger concern back then.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive Před 4 lety +7

      @@luciano9755 yeah because the Republics of Venice, Florence, Genoa and Ragusa didn't exist in medieval times.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive Před 4 lety +2

      @Justin Goetz Prove it.

  • @ahmadsultan4643
    @ahmadsultan4643 Před 4 lety

    Invicta can you make a video on the Roman Arabian relationship

  • @wizard680
    @wizard680 Před 4 lety +4

    Did you mean to upload at 10:30 PM EST? Bit odd to see someone upload so late

  • @kennyPAGC
    @kennyPAGC Před 4 lety

    Are there any other examples of republics before modern times Carthage, Rome and Greee? (I guess the reason is that they all influenced each other) I find it interesting that most other civilizations through history went with monarchies of some kind (non dynastic as well, but monarchies after all), but as early as a few centuries BCE Rome, Greece and Carthage were having republics instead.

    • @alexcyr4149
      @alexcyr4149 Před 4 lety

      kennyPAGC check out Gana Sangha. It was a quasi-Republican form of oligarchic government in ancient India.

  • @uhhhhyourmom
    @uhhhhyourmom Před 4 lety +1

    Can anyone recommend any books about Carthage?

  • @Stinger913
    @Stinger913 Před 4 lety

    I don’t know why, but I’d really like to see Invicta react to Red vs. Blue or RWBY. Very not-historical shows but the latter at least has many overt references to historical figure and tales, and the former can just be funny.

  • @novohispana
    @novohispana Před 4 lety +3

    Wasn't Hannibal's mother iberian? Regardless, excellent vid as always.

  • @hm94goal
    @hm94goal Před 4 lety +5

    1:31 again, the same error as kings&generals, an inaccurate map of the Phoenecian world.
    leaving out some of the most important cities like Ugarit and others in the Syrian coast.

  • @connorgolden4
    @connorgolden4 Před 4 lety +100

    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed.

    • @OkThisllbeMyName
      @OkThisllbeMyName Před 4 lety +10

      Imperialx Warlord Carthago delenda est uwu

    • @hotdogfingerz9674
      @hotdogfingerz9674 Před 4 lety +12

      Chad Scipio Africanus vs Virgin Hannibal

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 Před 4 lety +10

      HotDogFingerz Hannibal was a Chad as well. Even dovahhatty agrees.

    • @hotdogfingerz9674
      @hotdogfingerz9674 Před 4 lety +6

      Imperialx Warlord I agree Hannibal was definitely a chad but it's for the joke

    • @Vexin980
      @Vexin980 Před 4 lety +5

      @@hotdogfingerz9674 Chad Hannibal Barca vs Thad Scipio Africanus

  • @eduardoborges506
    @eduardoborges506 Před 4 lety +12

    I havent watched the video yet, though i bet the "carthage is a colony that grew too big" is going to be there, or something similar xD

    • @bvbxiong5791
      @bvbxiong5791 Před 4 lety +1

      OMG, how did you know...
      that you would be eating crow.

  • @johanandhira5429
    @johanandhira5429 Před 4 lety +9

    Carthaginian government did got crushed by boot of war. The manner it was located below the boot of Italy is purely coincidental.

  • @alemhalilovic6716
    @alemhalilovic6716 Před 4 lety

    Hey why dont you continue series abaut Ceaser