History Buffs: The Terror
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- After a long wait here is The Terror! Hope you enjoy the review as much as I loved making it!
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"Yes, these are our ships, 'Terror' and 'Darkness'; we predict a jolly good time"
😁
Shoulda named em Good Ship Lollipop and Giggles.
Well to be fair, they were originally designed to be warships
@@nimanbains7034 warships should called HMS Utter Bastard and HMS Imminent Death, stuff like that.
Tea and crumpets the whole way mate!!!
THE ADVENTURE OF A LIFETIME
(...Because you'll probably die)
Govt: Nobody knows where the ships went.
Locals: Yeah, we do.
Govt: Nobody at all.
Locals: They're right over here. We'll take you to them.
Govt: Not a single person knows what happened to them.
Locals: Fine. Find them yourself, then.
“If only there was someone who knew what happened to these poor souls!”
“They starved to death, we literally saw their bodies.”
“If only there was someone civilized enough to be trustworthy who knew what happened to these poor souls!”
@@thevenator3955
"Inuits are nothing more but uncivilized savages."
Says the people that created the greatest empire in history through war, blood, slavery and genocide.
Reminds me of Titanic:
Around 13 common witnesses: yea the ship broke apart.
Inquiry: Hmm interesting. Let’s ask like two Officers to confirm!
Officer: bruh I ain’t seent it 🤷🏻♂️ 🚢 …. … …🚢
Inquiry: well the ship definitely went down in one piece!
If they weren't white and with documentation for them to rubber stamp - They may as well have not existed, fkn ace.
Sounds about right
I think the "monster" could have been a product of their descent into madness. lead poisoning could have made a polar bear seem otherworldly
I read the book ... it was excellent and superbly detailed in the historical accuracy. But the bear was a monster ... the author delved quite deep into it. Tunbuq ... he is part of their oral histories and traditions.
Yes but not all of them were poisoned at once.... And they've seen the same thing, that doesn't go with your hypothesis
Lead poisoning doesn't make you see things, though?
@@vladimird5280 Exactly
That's what I prefer to believe.
Geez, those five men who got sick in Greenland must've initially felt so bad about missing out on the expedition. Turns out they were the lucky ones in the end :x
Does history recorded what ever happened to those men exactly?
@@deathdealer2771 was thinking the same myself
Hold up now I'm actually really curious to know. What happened to them?
@@alkimia1791 Nothing is really known. It's only known they were transferred off to a ship known as the Baretto Junior, then they apparently did nothing of note to history. One interesting bit I found was that, only two ships mates entered into the register of HMS Terror, but the ship was supposed to have three, meaning one was never recruited.
It's like a story my pastor told me once as a kid.
"One time a man was angry and bitter about not being able to go on the maiden voyage of a new ocean liner after his son was bitten by a dog and the boy's wound became infected. Luckily the child recovered but the man was still a little bent out of shape for losing tons of money for a voyage on the Titanic."
"Bear black, fight back"
"Bear brown, lie down"
("Bear white, good night")
"Bear pig man, not a fan"
Red and Yellow,
Kill a Fellow!
Red and Black,
You're OK, Jack!
The book doesn't really describe the monster, but I agree it would have been smarter for the miniseries to make it a huge polar bear, instead of a bear with a gorilla's head.
Bear gay, run away
@@jlastre LMAO
I always assumed the monster was a bear seen through the eyes of unraveling sailors. like how stories of exotic animals get twisted into demons and dragons by sailors.
Well, seeing what physical feats the "bear" is capable of, it does more damage to the show, than good. -from my view. The show started really good, the dreadful setting seeping in more and more. This monster crap actually ruined it for me.
Department of Defense I read about this the bear sounds fucking terrifying, and it does seem very similar to the one in the series the book’s monster is very supernatural and rarely described but I can see it being based on the near also.
I could have quite happily watched the series without the creature. The expedition, the conditions and the relationships between the characters were all sufficient to make this a cracking yarn. I thought the creature might have been added to encapsulate what they were up against in tangible form but interesting to read that such a creature did in fact exist. The creature depicted is more than just animal. It seems sentient and thinking.
I never found an issue with the tunbaq as it doesn’t ruin the story and it would just get boring for the average audience for men killed by it to die of scurvy and botulism, and adds excitement as well as being the reason for 99% of the shows tension. That’s one of the reasons I’m not too keen on this channel, as he focus wayy too much on ‘historical accuracy’ (I know it is the point of his channel but still) and I don’t think it really matters that much.
@Julia In the show I think it works up until the final few episodes ruin it as you finally get a good look at the Tuunbaq and it's clearly not a normal bear. But until then you can generally come up with a mundane explanation and consider the sailors unreliable narrators which works well.
It never fails to amaze me how people who have never missed a meal, judge people staving to death.
The British admiralty certainly did
most people have missed a meal , both now and then, particularly military. Of course that doesn't mean they can conceive of what its like to be truly hungry.
Yeah dude but eating someone? People already do that eating Mc ds lol
Don't forget, the british would later eat mummies.
You think human dipshittery is only on that? We look back at the victorian era and think they're a bunch of fools, we look back on the culture of the 50's and on up until about 10 years ago and think they were silly. Here's a hint: we're fucking silly now too and will be seen as such in a few short years. People are arrogant dipshits who think they know what's up when almost everyone knows next to nothing about anything. We will continue being judgmental fools who think we've got it all figured out finally for as long as we are humans. People don't see beyond their own fucking noses and think they're righteous in their estimation of others.
Imagine eating your own boots just to survive a freezing hell, only to come back home and have people make fun of you for it. But seriously, I think the scariest thing here is the idea of being so sick your friends can't take care of you anymore and you can only watch them leave.
Think of the revenant 😓😓😓
This actually has happened though. Scary thought 😦
At least they had tents
And they never turn back....
As cruel as that sounded, what choice did they had? The more time spent walking towards a location that could help them, the more men that would either get sick or die. I pity those left behind, but they were pretty much dead weight that would only slow down the rest.
"Erebus" means darkness in ancient Greek. So the ships were named "Darkness" and "Terror"
It was like they wanted it to be a doomed expedition
Terra is not that
The night is Dark and full of Terrors
an offering to the dark gods
@@AedynWolf Damnit, four hours late.
It was stated in the video that they were originally warships, so their names are actually quite fitting.
Remember that a bunch of men died alone in the cold. One by one. Far from home. We couldn't really understand how much they suffered all those years ago.
@Keith Wow. Just...wow! With that personality, hope someone doesn't decide to test that theory somehow on you. Just to get rid of ya.
@checky monkey We can imagine. But I don't think we could ever say we truely treuly understand how they felt. I'm not arrogant enough to say I understand everything they felt.
@checky monkey Nah, I pass those "are you a robot" check boxes a the time. I'm totally human and that proves it.
Still happens.. Look at mountain climbers and how they die in very similar ways ascending to the peaks. I have a vague idea of what it would be like but would never understand the thoughts and feelings they had, knowing they are gonna die and knowing there is literally 0 chance for survival. Some probably took their own lives to get it over with quickly. I mean I'd probably try to kill myself quickly rather than freeze to death slowly or be mauled by wild animals. But then I don't even know because I'd never been in that situation.
There's also the fact these men were more than likely told it would be pretty simple if they stuck to the plan and everything would be fine. So the feeling of betrayal as well, some probably killed others because they felt they were betrayed. Regardless, these men deserved better than what they got, I just hope they didn't suffer too long in that place, must have been worse than hell.
Happens on the streets everyday. Those blokes gambled and lost!
To speak of perfect casting, Jared Harris, who plays Crozier, an Irishman, is son of legendary actor Richard Harris, one of the finest Irishmen on film, ever. And Jared's Irish accent clearly takes inspiration from his father's. I can't think of a finer man with the credentials to play the man.
He's generally fantastic in whatever role he's playing.
he's one of my favorite actors, i deeply enjoy everything he's in.
Jesus I never knew that. Jared is one of my favourite actors today and Richard is one of my favourite ever really. Makes sense I suppose. Outstanding actor.
I like to think that the "supernatural monster" stalking them was actually a polar bear, but it's form was warped by the perceptions of the lead-addled sailors. It was an entirely mundane occurrence, made supernatural by chemically altered brains, stress and paranoia.
Tunbuq is literally a legend to the indigenous people, the specific bear is most definitely otherworldly. The author wrote it as a monster, an unstoppable force etc
@@bungdilly6333 yes; and knowledge of such local legends and folklore - such that they possessed from meeting the locals earlier on - would have only exacerbated the notion, solidified the group hallucinations.
@@kentonbaird1723 I understand your coming from a realistic angle but he is literally a supernatural entity in the book, which is also fictional but based on true events.
@@bungdilly6333 I´m by no means an expert but I think while Tuurngait are a thing in different inuit cultures, Tuunbaq specifically was created for the novel while borrowing from said stories.
I like to think of it as a bit of a mystery if the monster was real or just a bear or if it´s just a metaphor for a bunch of fun themes in the show - Schrödiner´s bear so to speak ^^ (although don´t get me wrong I like a good vengeful spirit)
@@ettifire655 No you are absolutely right, but in the book he is a force of nature that they cannot deal with nor know when he is coming.
Terror Bay was named in honour of the ship in case anyone's wondering, although they had no idea it was it's final resting place.
why dont they ever show snow on maps of the arctic, its a bit misleading, cause its like "oh, heres green land and blue water" just for reality to slam the table and say "wrong its actually all ice and snow" i know it melts and freezes and grows and shrinks. but they made antartica white to indicate snow and ice, why not do the same past the permafrost line, or the arctic circle. it might be constantly changing but it sure as hell aint green up there
I think they kind of did, because the natives had specified the location of the sighting of the ships in several occasions - hence the name. My wife used to works at Parks Canada at the time the ships were found. The archaeological team gives credit to the Inuit oral testimony that narrowed the search area.
@@DuckiestBoat959 Because the Arctic is all water, and charting ice is impossible because it changes on an almost daily basis. Antarctica is actually a continent, it's all land, and thus able to be charted.
A bit like the wreck of the girona
I thought that must have been it :D
So let me get this straight. They go on two boats called 'the darkness' and 'the terror' to the inhospitable wastes of the world, led by a man whose last expedition into canada resulted in people dying and eating their own shoes, and they DIDN'T think anything was going to go wrong? How did no one go 'well this seems like a bad idea.'
My exact thought! Courting disaster; a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Well maybe the fact that there was little education therefor little critical thinking aswell as the fact that the govt wasn’t as involved as they would hope
Gotta love British Imperialism and ego, am I right?
@@MABlacksmith well what would you call it HMS gay sex
Shawn Conway It’s about as jinxed as the HMS Friday lol
The spirit bear was used sparingly and added dread to an already desperate situation. It also it allowed the creators to add the Inuit people and their culture which was a great addition.
Only if you like multicultural nonsense even in a period piece about 1843 English people.
and it could very well have been a regular polarbear initially and then by the time there's the reveal, we have excessively leadpoisoned crew and such.
Did it "allow" them to include the local residents? The local people were already there. The starving Brits were the incompetent foreigners. You've gotten it twisted.
Eskimos
I wouldn’t call killing over half the men “used sparingly”
As a Canadian this story has always fascinated and terrified me. One of my honours supervisors in my undergrad was Owen Beatty, the anthropologist who helped identify lead poisoning as the cause of death when the graves were found. I remembered being a child seeing the frozen corpse in its coffin on the cover of National Geographic in the grocery store. I haven't seen the movie as I'm currently single and I am sure I would need to be held to sleep after. Like Scott's expedition to the South Pole, even living in Northern Alberta is enough to make you truly understand how powerful the Canadian arctic is.
Omg you too?! When I was young I had a science book for children with this fucking picture of that one corpse in it and it stayed burned into my mind, blue skin and teeth and all
There wasn't actually any lead poisoning, high lead levels in soft tissues were caused by their bodies breaking down muscles etc. during the last weeks of their lives. They had zinc deficits tho which aren't good either and would have resulted in greatly weakened immune systems.
I just looked up the bodies (bad idea, as I’m trying to fall asleep) and I can’t believe they had that on a magazine cover on display in the grocery store-that’s horrifying. Cool, but horrifying.
Can't even imagin how it would feel to be a tent in the middle of the arctic, you feel sick, you feel pain, and all you want is to rest and lay down. All of the sudden you hear the sound of something sliding across rocks, and you look out of the tent. You see your comrades pushing the boat, and leaving you to die. You feel betrayed, and you want to yell, but all you can do is watch.
Must have been a real horrific site to see.
I'd like to think I'd be understanding, accepting of my fate and hopeful that the others may prevail. But deep down I would be salty AF.
@Milly May interesting take. Is it a statement based on anything real to you or just some random shit you spat out?
@@nathanb5579 it's called 'empathy'
@@Julia-lk8jn especially as he think the captain has left him to die
And temperatures of about -50 all day, every day. I've been in that kind of cold and it's extremely dangerous.
Forget being diseased during the march on foot, imagine watching the others leave you behind because you’re too sick to walk, and too weak to even do anything about it. That is beyond scary.
@Olivia Bailey (student) at least if it wrapped up ,not hungry and not in pain when u slip off then prob better than those on foot who going to die in terrible conditions....
I felt so horrid about the fate of one of the most loyal men, Jopson, who made lieutenant days before his death.
He died believing Crozier left him behind.
That one particularly stung.
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@@Sol-Cutta I’ve got to concur with you, if it were that easy to just close my eyes and drift off…
It was an ugly way to pass to the other side.
And just the psychological aspect of Jopsen THINKING, truly, that he was left behind-
just, like, oh my God.✨🙏🏼✨
Some were Marines. All Mariners. Leave no man behind? Not then.
@Olivia Bailey (student) No pun intended?
The show is 100% and undeservingly underrated.
the cast alone is superb. 👌
to see Ceasar and Brutus side by side again was fun - both are great actors
The thing is, this series plays around with Magical Realism, which is to blend the barrier between reality and fantasy until you're not entirely sure what's being depicted. When you see the bear and it turns out it's a dark spirit of sorts, it's not because it's literally a monster hunting them down. What you're seeing really is most likely a normal polar bear, but one that a crew of starved, ill and paranoid men believed to be something much worse. The story is told from their POV, so it makes sense it's completely taken to the extreme.
If anyone enjoyed this series check out The Hunger by Alma Katsu! It's a horror novel of the Donner party! I don't want to spoil it but it's along these same lines. One of the best books I've ever read highly recommend
This is quite literally the most terrifying thing I could imagine. 5 years cold and in frozen tundra, spending your last days in abject pain and utter torture.
meh. I've had worse.
@@drey8 meh. I've had worse too
@@drey8 Like?
@@Ludwig_Perpenhente I once camped in the Dales, in the morning the INSIDE of the tent was frosted...I had to go sit in the car with the heater on and wait for the pub to open for breakfast. Couldn't even get any signal. Dying for a dump and no toilet paper in the washhouse. Massive hangover as well, but I fought it. Had to call off the walk and get home in time for the Grand Prix.
@@drey8 Cool story bro, glad you made it home
Me, watching 10th HBO show with familiar actors: "Oh look, professor Legasov explains to Julius Caesar why Robb Stark is wrong!"
Dmitry Maximov Robb Stark was played by Richard Madden, who isn’t in this show.. However Tobias Menzies, who playes Fitzjames, played Edmure Tully in GOT!
or Black Fish disrespecting Mance Raider
@@jasmijn205 Wasn't Black Fish Edmure Tully's father?
@@angelswings1219 uncle noob
Oh look Edmure Tully is going on an expedition with Julius Caesar and Anderson Dawes.
The horror wasn't the ridiculous monster. The horror was them knowing their death was going to be long and torturous in a literal hell of unbearable coldness, with little to no chance of help ever arriving in time. Much like the real story itself.
that's what the horror should have been. a deep dive into the minds of the men. instead they went full michael bay levels of unnecessary stupidity...
I feel like The Northwest Passage is basically the epitome of "Hey I know a shortcut", only to discover you take the long way around for a very good reason
Also Ciaran Hinds' smile at 5:28 feels like a grandpa who just pulled a quarter out from behind your ear 🥺
Hahahaha.
Didn't know that Caesar and Brutus went looking for the North-West passage.
Just makes the betrayal even worse
I'm glad Freys released Brutus for this expedition :-)
At least Mance Rhayder is in the North
At least Brutus was lucky that the Blackfish was stuck pissing against a tree in Stockholm while he departed for the North Pole.
Imagine the tension.
And they didn’t even invite Mark Anthony
They wen't to westeros first.
Everyone: "-40C? or -40F?"
HB: "yes"
Celsius I think, since England using metric system, but I don't know about whether they use it in that era.
Rahmad Renaldi the joke is -40 is the same in both systems. The British would have been using Fahrenheit at the time though.
@John Hinchliff "first one than t'other"
I’m from Minnesota and the air temperature can be 40 below with wind. Chill of minus 70. Imagine what the arctic can be.
@@dcllaw677 lowest temperature on record for Minnesota is -60F or -51.1C
I just want to say thank you for this video, my father loved history and i showed him this video on fathers day 2021 and he watched the whole video with me. He passed away last night and this was one of my favorite memories. It was just me and him and some good history! Thank you for making such a work of art that kept us both entertained and learning. Thank you, History Buffs!
My condolences to you and yours.
Wish I could've watched this with my own father. I'm glad you got the opportunity. Sorry for your loss.
Thx for sharing. Sorry for your loss lad.
I found the sound of the ice to be one of the most frightening elements of the series... these deep, crashing, yet eerie and distant sounds surrounding you at all time.
Nice to see Edmure, Mance and the Blackfish working together.
Edmure! Was racking my brain on where I saw him before! I already had pegged Mance and the Blackfish. Thank you.
You mean julius caesar and brutes? ;p
Yep, I noticed that.
Omg, thank you because I just couldn't place Edmure lol.
Jack Randall from Outlander
It could be the result of lead poisoning seeing polar bears as supernatural monsters
Actually it was the cans themselves rather than the lead solder that was used to seal them which caused the problems for them,.
They were made of unlined tin, tin contains high levels of arsenic and mercury which would have gotten into their food and slowly both driven them mad (mercury poisoning does that to you) while the arsenic would have slowly killed them.
The poisoning, the bears, the unknown, fear and just becoming increasingly delusional, they could of felt like they faced a monster in the wilderness.
Canonically, it is indeed a demonic spirit.
I thought this was a reference to Lost for some reason.
To be fair, polar bears were not well known by Europeans at the time..and they are monstrous if run into in the wild.
The casting and acting in this series was top notch, as was the overall production. I loved it and have rewatched it a few times since it first aired. Smart, scary and at times quite gory!
This show literally had me shaking on multiple occasions- and no piece of media has ever really scared me before. The Terror was truly fantastic.
It's good to see Caesar and Brutus worked things out... and I also spotted Octavia
Shame about Edmure and Mance... really couldnt stay friends in the end.
@@aaronbaum54 If only Mance had heeded the Blackfish's warning
I spotted no less than 3 game of thrones characters
Brutus betrayed Caesar for a third time and remained south of the wall, no doubt eager to field his own army in yet another civil war
hah, i knew i'd seen those two in something before but i couldn't place it. good eye
This was always my favorite bit of history, that we invented canned food like fifty years before we figured out a good way of opening them.
Imagine all the bloody awful injuries people got, stabbing them etc. Especially when an infected cut could easily kill you back then before they understood germ theory! I've heard people used to shoot them sometimes too. Hard to believe someone didn't come up with the opener sooner.
3122tan I mean a hammer would work
Why didn't they put those ring-pulls on the cans like we often have today?
@@hedgehog1965uk that takes precise manufacturing that wouldn't be available
Well, the first cans were glass jars like you can still found today and are easily opened with the strength of your hands ^^
It's when the english took the process from the french that they added metal, because... it's more solid for armies XD
funnily enough they discovered a super ancient version of a polar bear that lived on the berring strait during primative human time period. and it looks pretty much like the monster in Terror. so i imagine they're basing it off that animal sort of like a bigfoot
source pls
@@gadbel685 Well I heard that in the Stone Age there was a bear called the “Short Faced Bear” around the Bering strait, but I’d be suprised if it were still around in the industrial era.
@@jckoibra2662 not very likely to be a short faced bear. Probably just a hungry polar bear , but who knows.
@@oopsydaizi3s824 In the show it looks like a mutated polar bear
In the show it does resemble the extinct Short faced bear in its very short face and long limbs.
AMC wouldn’t let the writers go forward without the monster, and while the show didn’t need it, I’m glad it’s there. Unlike others, I don’t think Tuunbaq was meant to be some kind of normal polar bear skewed by poisoned minds. It’s very much a real spirit saddled with the gravity of extra subtext. It represents the evil of humanity and the hubris of colonialism. I always think of the bear demon in conjunction with the show’s lines “We were never meant to know of it” and “this is not our home.” The only reason it became a threat to them was because they accidentally killed Silna’s father while they were just trying to live their lives as Inuit in their homeland.
Just thinking of it as a polar bear blown out of proportion severely undercuts its significance in my opinion.
yess ty for saying this, I was getting a little frustrated going through the comments seeing everyone saying the normal polar bear thing lol. all of what you said seemed very deliberate and significant in the show to me as well!
How Mance Rayder became the King beyond the wall 💁🏻♀️
He some how had edmure tully with him north, and had met the black fish😂😂
You mean Caesar & Bruts? ;-)
Yeah, and lord Edmure decided to join him. lol
@@Janintong It was all an elaborated plot by Blackfish to finally get rid of his nephew. Expedition has to go wrong if you put Brutus and a Ceaser on one boat.
I thought it looked like mance in the thumbnail too lol, but where's Arya the explorer?
Not only the food, but the Terror and Erebus also had water purification systems that used lead pipes. So even if the lead poisoning didn't come from the canned food, it definitely came from the water.
It's amazingly stupid since even the Romans knew about lead poisoning.
But the evidence the show presents, where Dr Goodsir observes first the seaman then the monkey with hard black gums and rotting teeth, is very consistent with scurvy, not at all with lead poisoning.
I loved this show but that was a fairly ridiculous goof that I'm surprised no one else has picked up on (as far as I can tell).
@@jimbomacjimbo95 Actually, lead poisoning also rots teeth, as well as causing a black line to appear in the gums, called "Burton's Line". The gums don't go fully black, but it can be a pretty thick line of black (or even blue), starting where gum meets teeth. So no, not all that "ridiculous" of a goof.
@@saratavington5435
When a surgeon on a ship in the 19th century which has been stranded in the middle of nowhere for years noticed that his seamen are beginning to present with hard, blackened gums and loose teeth, he really shouldn't have acted so baffled as Dr Goodsir initially did in the show. Those characteristics are the classic early symptoms of scurvy, a disease very well known to and very much dreaded by Arctic explorers.
Those scenes only served to make Dr Goodsir look rather incompetent, and therefore were a total misfire, in my own personal opinion.
@@jimbomacjimbo95 First, he was the assistant, not the surgeon and second he knew very well the symptoms of scurvy and he knew that the symptoms he saw, that looked for a keybordwarrior like scurvy, werent from scurvy.
blackened gums from scurvy dont look like blackened gums from lead poisoning.
This mini-series was one of the best things i had ever seen & am surprised that it didn't surpass much more popular ( & inferior, in my eyes) tv shows when it came to awards etc. Great coverage here. Excellent job.
I actually liked the bear creature and don't think a regular polar bear would have been as good, especially in the book.
Fun trivia: The Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is made of wood salvaged from the HMS Resolute, the very ship sent out to find the lost Franklin expedition
That is legit really cool. A gift from the British Monarchy. I tend to scoff at tradition but history has a certain weight does it not?
@@TheJerbol Indeed it does. The Terror may have inspired Francis Scott Key to write the US national anthem The Star Spangled Banner. At the Battle of Baltimore, Fort McHenry played a crucial role in defending the harbor against British warships including the Terror which led to Key's poetic eye-witness account we know today as part of the anthem:
"And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there" -this was the poem inspired by sheer Terror. -Pun intended
One of* the ships. Many ships were sent to find them over the course of decades.
I knew that the resolute was a ship stuck in arctic ice but I had no idea it was one of the ships sent to look for erebus and terror. thanks for sharing that!
There were two Resolute desks made an the Queen has the other in Buckingham Palace.
The ships were named "Terror" and "Darkness" and the it was the Captain's last mission before retiring...they never stood a chance!
No. "Terror" is the HMS Terror of course, "Erebus" is greek "Gates of Hell".
@@SStupendous Yes but also the personification of darkness, child of Chaos (the void predating the universe) and brother of Nyx (night).
Dodge sells a car called "the Demon". It is basically an ultra high performance variant of the Challenger.
All the Marines were wearing Red Shirts
I believe the idea is that _they_ are 'the terror' of the seas!
I’ve probably seen this video 30 plus times without any exaggeration, either watching it or listening to it in the background. The review feels like an extension of the show and captures the same atmosphere, and I can honestly say I think it’s one of the best videos on CZcams
Hah, I lost how many times I replayed this video. Probably around 60. Looks like Franklin's curse is haunting me.
Watching or listening to it during the cold winter has a much better atmosphere.
Yep, I agree. It's awesome
ong its gotta be my comfort video or something
One of the greatest shows ever. Casting, cinematagrophy and direction. All on point.
Das Boot HAS to eventually be in History Buffs
I second that!
@Charlie the Beagle the movie, but I wouldn't mind seeing the TV show even though it's not as good as the movie in my opinion
Not that donkey dick of a reboot though.
History Butts.
Lenny Murphy the original was shown as a mini series in December 1982/83. It’s obvious longer than the “ movie” but way better with more character development
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. - H.P Lovecraft (Thanks for the likes)
His pet cat was cool
My two dogs, Terror and Darkness, growl and howl in delight!
ironically it sounds like he was describing racism. I'm reminded of that line from cool runnings "we're different, people are always afraid of what's different".
yankees double header It doesn’t sound like that
@ᛋᛋSheputsterᛋᛋ I really like that black actors, black director's, black writers, a black producer, etc, are making a fortune with a story based off his works on HBO with Lovecraft country. Thanks to Lovecraft the mostly black cast gets to have more work and have more prosperity.
I've been obsessed with this recently. It was breaking my heart to read about James Ross search. I wonder how close he ever was to finding his best friend. If Francis was alive, which, according to inuit, he would have been alive and well when Ross was searching. Did Crozier see those flares? My goodness. Imagine searching for your best friend in the great white nothing.
It's really a sad coincidence that they tried to find the Northwest Passage at the same time that Mother Nature decided not to have the ice melt & have it be some of the coldest years for the Arctic areas.
Not only arctict, it happened the same year that Donner party got trapped in snow.
So basically, someone rolled a one. Every time.
"Make a constitution saving throw."
"BECAUSE OF ANOTHER TIN CAN?!!?"
@@blueskybelyr well that and the seal meat you just ate
"Is there any sun?"
"Roll investigation"
*Roles 1*
"Not only do you not see sunshine but you wont see sunshine for the next month"
"DUDE!?!?"
colon or em-dash, not semicolon
CRITICAL FAILURE!
My husband was on one of the missions to find the Hms Terror with the Royal Canadian Navy. Unfortunately the mission he was on failed, it was the very next mission that found the HMS Terror. The navy along with research ships found the HMS Terror with the help of Inuit guides. It turns out the Inuits had passed on the location of the ship to their descendents. Without their help who knows when the ships would have been found.
Anyway, I thought you may enjoy this little story. I enjoyed your review and will definitely sit down and watch this mini series.
Very cool
As a Canadian as soon as any one starts a story about the North West passage I get a chill knowing that its going to be a story about extreme suffering and failure, I don't think it ever would of bin possible to complete back then and I think only global warming and better ships has made it possible but only just
@@MaxArturo There are men whose job it is to remember the old stories and pass them down.
That's incredibly cool! Please thank your husband for his service -- and what an incredible mission (and so close!).
I absolutely love the monster, IMO it’s the horror cherry on top of the series. A polar bear/bears likely wouldn’t attack the ships in such a persistent manner, and it’s intelligence just makes it all the more terrifying.
If any animal was to attack a ship in that manner it would be a polar bear. They’re one of the only animals to actively hunt down humans
Indeed. Its the Terror's version of Jaws.
polar bears are very intelligent, strategic and persevering hunters and they see humans as prey. they don't hunt like other bears. they're sneaky
It is stupid! What is wrong with people?!
It could easily be a deformed polar bear.
I have been freezing while being in a pinch, and I thought “ if something goes wrong now I’m not sure I’ll make it” and that horrific feeling is so present whenever my mind wander to those whom die in such an extreme environment
@@crispindry2815 bro.
@@crispindry2815 🧐🧐
That deathly feeling brought by the cold has never been forgotten by the United Kingdom. They honor these men to this day. By burning excessive amounts of coal. To forever melt the icy cold that doomed these men.
I had to trek home in a blizzard last year. Looking for a job, I got dropped off at an interview while this was going on, because I was desperate. But in that desperation I forgot my phone, and my ride had left. There was no one around to ask for help, and I had no money to use the pay phones. I waited maybe 45 minutes and even walked outside twice thinking my ride parked somewhere else. They hadn’t showed up either. (Assuming the interview was going to be a while, and thinking I had my phone) so I made the choice in near zero visibility to walk home. Without the gusts, it was already terrible to see. But when the wind blew, you could barely make anything out. I was terrified. I begged in my mind, I prayed for someone to stop and help me. There was no sidewalk, and snow drifts up my calves. I had never wanted anything more than to not be in that position. Walking in the road, if no one saw me. I’d be hit. If someone drove off the road because of how slick it was, I’d be dead. What was typically a 30-50 minute walk to my place, took me to get a few blocks. I don’t know if that feeling will ever leave. It’s very haunting.
The five men sent away were basically the equivalent of the people who missed their flight in the Eleventh of September in 2001
+Sweet Neko Or the one hiker who stayed behind due to illness and thus avoided the Dyatlov Pass incident in 1959.
@@fishofgold6553 Or the sailor who deserted in Ecuador on the Essex whaling expedition.
Or the sailors fired by Shackleton during his Imperial Trans Antarctic Expedition
@@Vin-sv9fm I mean Shackleton brought everyone back
@@matthewblairrains6032Sure but the fired crew doesn't have to suffer being stranded in the antarctic
Polar bear + lead poisoning hallucinations = monster?
I was going to say Ithaqua- the Windego
Now we got to worry about the Old ones being summoned.
I thought so too :) it's a good idea of an interpretation imo
The ambiguity of whether it is a monster or the men are insane is mostly preserved. Even at the end, the monster could still be a hallucination.
I also figured the monster was actualy a polar bear and the men were just going kinda nuts from isolation in an endless unfamiliar icelandscape+lead poisoning, scurvy and eating rotten food
A possibility but the Inuit were also talking about it and everyone saw it so it's difficult to believe everyone had the same hallucination.
Blanky was an absolute badass in that show. Fearless and such a great character
I loved the series.
When the doctor warns about not eating his own corpse because of his plan to take out the plotters, it was powerfully sad
His death absolutely ruined me once I realized what he was doing. I initially thought Crozier was going to take his place in some way. And in some ways I’m super glad they kept it original. Still affected by it a day later
I think the monster was used more as a symbol of the horror and confusion entering the men's minds. It also was a symbol of how out-of-place humans are in these parts of the world.
It's also a demon in Inuit culture. I believe the elder or the girl in the show summoned it. Really cool sauce.
I really dislike these kinds of lazy, unimpressive explanations that are so utterly unnecessary. You are ruining a perfectly fine story without any reason or common sense. It was a demon that butchered people for their meat. The creature is seen by multiple people, INCLUDING the indiginous people, ffs (the only one's who truly knows what the monster is), I'm sorry but how the hell does one forget such a detail? The book and series is a supernatural horror fiction, not a thriller mystery. Just stop with the bullshit and accept the plot for what it is. I guess you think all the gore was just some fun little symbol too. The men getting ripped to shreds was just some little dream. Read the fucking book.
@@DeepfriedNutz Thanks for the salt, really needed it.
No, it was an actual monster.
Attedus1 well considering the explanation of the creature’s origins that Simmons gave in the book, he got the second suggestion right
I really like how they designed the 'tuunbaq'. It looks like an oversized Polar Bear from afar but looking at it closely show eerie human-like characteristics like the eyes, the hands and feet, even it's teeth. It really fits the biological aesthetic of its mythical description that of a human spirit inhabiting an animal.
If You ask about the "Monster", to the people in US the must likely say Bigfoot, But here in Puerto Rico we know that's the fucking Chupacabra, poor creature, no heat, no food, no mate, the Scientific community here in the island found that the Chupacabra spread his semen thru the forest and impregnate a Coqui frog giving live to a new specie the Chupaqui. ask any Hispanic for translation, please.
@@joseortega-us6rn it lives in the Valley of South Texas. I have seen it at night running along the canal system behind our 4wheelers in Harlingen TX. It glimmers and looks more like the werewolf from the Harry Potter series 5th movie I believe. It runs on all fours but stands taller with some hair. It has long arms and legs. It was running behind us and our dogs and then it ducked into the mesquite trees and gone. That was roughly a decade ago but there were four in our party plus the two dogs. Only we saw it. We went back out with shotgun rifles but couldn’t find it. Oddly enough it was the only thing that bothered me more than Mexican drug cartels out there. That is what the chupacabra is and where we saw it. Never seen big foot and I lived in Colorado. Seen wolves, seen bears, but no big foot. I assume what those men saw back then was a massive polar bear, but we today know them to be APEX predators capable of tracking and very few capable of such terrors described. Could be possessed by a demon it isnt uncommon we believe it of humans why not a bear? That being said I agree that some of this could be caused by delusion from the circumstances of their excursion and dramatized.
@@saldanagaona The Chupacabra became so popular that appear in one chapter of The X Files. I also believe what they saw was a polar bear, I hear they may grow 10 feet or more.
Heard that the bear was known as a "short faced bear" very terrifying creature that went extinct but the book and show could referee to this bear being the last of its kind
Better to think of it as a distorted hallucination than a cartoonish bogeyman monster
What I like most about this show is the casting: Caesar and Brutus reunited. :-)
I think historical horror is the scariest horror because you know that something similar happened for real
The monster could just be them hallucinating while they see a polar bear.
Breadley it’s a evil spirit cast down on Earth it only looks a-bit like a polar bear because it can change form and tried to resemble one. But Tbf the show didn’t go much in tuunbaq’s origin so it’s not a bad theory the book fully explains what it is.
God, I wish they had. The Tuunbaq in the book is one of my favorite literary "monsters," ever. Long serpentine neck, creepy bear head...almost more of an otherworldly, alien being, than the brute strength version we got in the show. I mean, it "plays" humans like wind instruments (I would have killed to see that in the show).
Agreed with Guy. As much as I love the show...And I know this is a cliche...But the book handled the horror aspect so much better. The book was unbelievably creepy and there were some scenes that seemed to be tailor-made for a show/movie. Like the carnivale...I don't want to spoil anything, but yeah the book version was infinitely better. I still don't understand that change. I'd understood if they had cut it out of the show completely, but the change they made was unnecessary. And that ending...
EndyBendy I think the show was confusing because what happens to the creature makes it look like a animal. It’s weird that they toke the story but hardly explained what it was. I dunno maybe they thought it wouldn’t translate. The book is incredible and the reason I read it was I wanted to know more about tuunbaq.
@@endybendy5699 I forgot about the carnivale scene...yeah, the book's version of that was both surreal and chilling (everyone eating bear meat, singing "Rule, Britannia," the different colored "rooms" taken from The Masque of the Red Death...ugh, I can't believe they cut all that). And the creepy clock/stuffed bear that precedes the Tuunbaq's entrance.
The show's ending left me rather gutted. More than anything, I wanted Crozier's encounter from the book...the whole tongue sacrifice thing. Dan Simmons is an incredible writer, and the way he repeatedly juxtaposes the Tuunbaq with Crozier's visions of a priest during Holy Communion, was creepy as hell.
I LOVE that the Royal Navy had ships called Erebus and Terror. there even had a ship named Vampire! like... wtf. I love it
If you want a good laugh just google Majestic class battleships and see all the random things they named those ships after, my favorite been HMS Mars.
@@santiago5388 My favorite has to be HMS Broke.
@@santiago5388 I think naming a war ship after the God of war is legit.
@@sweatysocks8214 All those antisubmarine ships named after flowers.
There was also a ship called HMS Cockchafer...
I would say the chances of the HMS Terror being found in Terror Bay were always quite high considering the bay was named after the ship
This series while fictional is one of the few that actually gets across the bleakness and way of life onboard ships in that time.
If anything the supernatural element helps in raising the feeling of helplessness the crews must have felt
History Buffs: All Quiet On The Western Front (1979)
A double feature with the original!
Nah, show the original 1936 version
I'd prefer the 1930s one! it was alot better imo
Bill nye the smarter than you guy
😅
The 1930 version is WAY better. Richard Thomas use to have a cute, boyish face but he can't act his way out of a paper bag.
That's what a spirit bear looks like when you're tripping on botulism.
my botulism dealer got arrested, now i just stare out the window all day
nah man it’s just the skooma
*it’s highly sought after*
And now people inject that shit
lead poisoning from the solder on the canned food but when it's all you got well ya yur dead
Silence touched the bears face, we saw that, her hand touched it. She wasn’t tripping on botulism. I think it was just a deformed mega bear.
If the monster was just a normal polar bear then it wouldn’t present that much of a threat. Maybe it could have taken some sailors by surprise and killed them, but after that the crew could have easily dispatched of it with proper planning. The supernatural element makes the show way scarier.
I just finished the series in a few days and damn was it good. I loved the change so that Crozier survived and lived with the native people. Mr. Blanky was heroic in what he did and I also loved how they changed Crozier and Fitzjames from enemies to brothers. Mr. Hicky was also a surprise I liked. All in all, it was amazing.
I haven’t watched it but seen the actors in other things. The actor that plays Henry is in a comedy show called Motherland and he is brilliant!
I should watch this programme.
So nobody commented about calling them the astronauts of the day? This is one of the best lines and comparisons you can hear.
^^^ This
Except astronauts had radios.
@@donrobertson4940 I dont like your latitude
You mean with the costumes and stage acting they did on board? Yes in that regard they are exactly the same as astroNOTs.
@@philtanics1082 Ok boomer
"Ahh, this expedition will find us a quick route to Asia and untold wealth." "We should invest in the best supplies possible, yes?" "....nah."
Lowest bidders get the government gigs, man.
That's humans for you.
The problem wasn't that they gave the canning contract to the lowest bidder, the problem was they only gave them like 6 weeks to make years worth of canned food.
People need to remember that, it may be based on the Franklin Expedition. But it's also based on a book. With a monster in it.
To leave the monster out would be weird if it's based on the book it was in.
I just finished this series last night...wow, very well done! Gripping, foreboding, and entrancing. Wish there were more shows with this quality of writing and atmosphere.
Reporter: "they starved so much they resorted to cannibalism and died"
British Public: "say sike right now"
@@charlesreid9337 what are you on about?
@@V-O-V Sike
- A term used when saying something you don't really mean.
I suspect he is trying to push a conspiracy theory of something.
A rubbish statement that has no basis in truth but can collect people who have grievances to them.
People in poverty are hungry, and resort to food bank, the need for which is disgusting, but no he is so bloody hungry that they are resorting to cannabalism.
@@dianeshelton9592 you are a moronic individual of the lowest intellectual caste if that's truly what you thought they meant.
@@robertmckay5839 maybe it evolved from "psych", which was the original spelling of the word.
In Russia we have a proverb:
"Как вы судно назовёте - так оно и поплывёт."
Which means: How the ship will sail depends on how you name it.
And this is why I named my boat the
“I will get laid tonight”
@@evepayler1461 AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
@@evepayler1461 so how has that worked out for you?
@@bryan3754 good news and bad, good is I did get laid, the bad is ended up discovering that my date was a transvestite man
This is why I love Russians. They make the best liquor and have the best proverbs.
A very specific correction. In the third episode of the series a small amulet with the shape of a bear is found in the body of an inuit shaman. But the bear actually resembles more Dorset Culture effigies than inuit folk art. Dorset Culture and inuit people occupied the same territories in different periods, but as far as I know are not related.
Also in the same episode an inuit woman is sharpening a ulu knife that looks like its made of metal and not slate or other type of stone. I dont know if its a mistake but I dont think isolated inuit populations in the XIX century used iron.
By the way, the series is pretty rad.
If anyone hasn't, I've watched the show three times now, and am just listening to the audiobook. It is INCREDIBLE. Far better than the already great television show. Chapter 21 and 22 are masterpieces of writing.
I think the reason the book and the show turn the beast stalking them into a something supernatural is to convey that sense of paranoia and that these men weren’t in the best state of mind.
They weren’t stalked by a supernatural being, but to a group of disease ridden, mentally weak, and scared men, it might as well have been.
I like that.
I took it as the interpretation of a spirit or demon of the gnawing hunger they all felt. Like the Wendigo.
hmmm i like it too
Their lead poisoned canned foods didn’t help them eiher
The book is very clear on the fact that it is an actual creature/monster.
In defence of the monster, the book tries to do something clever with Inuit philosophy/creation myth with it. Though I must admit, the bit of the novel I found most compelling was the human survival aspect out on the ice without the monster.
yeah the last part of the book with the weird relationship with the inuit shaman and the supernatural stuff started losing me pretty quickly - good idea maybe but not well executed imo
The end of the book was definitely the weakest part.
that was my favourite part of the show too, there were whole episodes where the monster doesnt even show up
Yeah, it was the exact reason I ignored it for longer than I should have.
You know horror is good when the rations are scarier than the monster
It's really interesting how the 'creature' takes the horror one step further. As you said, the true 'Terror' (apart from the ship) is how starvation and malnourishment turns people against eachother. Currently watching the second season (Infamy, pretty clever name), and similarly, while human nature is scary in itself, the supernatural element functions as extra tension!
Well, for you, maybe. I see there's still a lot of people like me for whom those supernatural parts of both seasons were setbacks.
I've got goosebumps for realising the real stuff that actually happened just to be taken away from that experience with something that's obviously made up and completely unnecessary for the main reason every season was actually made for.
It's great to know how accurate the show actually is, but the show is clearly more than a historic documentary; I saw it was about human's arrogance vs nature, and how such way of living - having to conquer the nature rather than living in harmony like Inuits - brings imbalance hence tragedy.
How exactly was it human arrogance? I would say that it was ppl being dumb shits and not realizing that the arctic is the Arctic. Also cheaping out on new technology doesn't help. As an aside why did you separate the Inuit from humanity? It's seems like your inferring that the Inuit or other Native tribes would have never technology advanced, if Europeans had never interfered, and stayed as some kind of nature worshipping hippies
Well said. They came as if they were better prepared than the people that have resided in that land for centuries.
"We have a diving suit that can help us go to a place that not even a native could." Well, and how much that helped you in the end?
Ned Stark: "Winter is coming."
John Franklin: "It never left."
tink that frankiling is interpreted by the same guy that interpret the king beond the wall
Always has been
I think you mean The King beyond the Wall, rather than John Franklin.
I just started watching this series yesterday. This made news in Canada quite a few times when each ship was discovered. I remember the Inuit in the area kept telling researchers where Franklin's ship was...no one seemed to take their handed down knowledge as legit. Ha, turns out the Inuit were right all along.
Inuition.
well if there's constant of the Canadian government across all these years its not caring about the natives.
@@rogerpattube Brilliant
The arrogance of the Western world. Only John Rae, Crozier and very few others respected them
Inuit: “Dude, it’s right over there.”
I'm sure someone else in the comments already brought it up but that's a lot of comments to swim through. The 'Monster' in this show is the place itself. A bunch of people went into a place they didn't understand thinking they would conquer it, and the place killed them all. The monster in the story is more of a metaphor than anything else. One that works pretty well given what really happened to these guys. A polar bear? Sure, it's scary. But they had guns. The place they sailed into? To them? Kind of a monster. And it ate them.
Thank you for this episode. It pulled me into the world of The Terror. I am now a FAN of this story. Book and show. Thank you!
I remember seeing the National Geographic issue when the bodies were exhumed. Yes, they WERE very well preserved, but pretty scary looking.
I watched it when I was 11 years old. Gave me nightmares for a while. Those blank eyes staring.
I just looked them up and honestly idk if im gonna sleep tonight ...
@@dia6474 Same
I saw them on a Rob Gavagan episode a while back. The episode talked about well preserved human remains.
My mum bought me a book about the Franklin expedition, aimed at kids, because I was a little history buff, and I can still remember the pictures of the corpses!
dude im not even lying, your storytelling skills are through the roof, its like listening to an audio book, i cant stop watching.
I have watched this series several times over, but I can't stop watching this review lol
I wondered what happened to the cat?
Cake Boi whatever happened it's dead now
o yeah yeah
I'd argue that this video is actually just as interesting to watch as the series it's based on... Maybe more so.
The Arctic itself must have seemed a supernatural beast hunting them relentlessly…
Also, it was William Braine buried on Beechey Island, not Blaine. And it was approximately 800 miles to Back’s Fish River.
It really puts into perspective, the time when the power went out for 12 hours and we ate grandma.
It just goes to show how amazing the Inuit peoples are for mastering such a wretched environment.
Why would you want to live in an icy wasteland though.
@@memoriesofmychildhood7297 Niches mostly. Their population wasn't large enough nor well experienced or equipped enough to take better and milder lands like the Pacific Northwest from other peoples, and the Canadian north is richer in resources for hunter-gatherers than you might think. Nomadic living using sled dogs as transport, learning to use every portion of game to get every nutrient you require, creating everything you need from the snow, ice, and animal parts you gather, and mastering the art of seal hunting were the secrets. They lived in that icy wasteland because nobody else would and your people need to survive without threat. It's unfortunate the Canadian government has forced them into sedentary living and made them among the first and biggest victims of global warming. Death to the Royal Mounties.
@@davidabest7195 do you need a hug? You sound like you need a hug.
@@memoriesofmychildhood7297 same reason there's plenty of animals living there: they're just well suited as a people and culture to living there.
was just thinking this
Have the book. Absolutely terrifying situation these men were thrust into. Rotting food kept in lead cans, scurvy, tuberculosis, botulism, no rescue plan, with all the extra weight the steam engines add; it was a mission failure from the start.
Franklin wasn't even the first choice to lead the expedition.
I don’t think it was kept on lead cans, I believe they were sealed with lead?
Only thing I'd point out is that Terror Bay was named in honor of the HMS Terror, as it was known that Franklin had been sailing around this area. So it's not actually very shocking that HMS Terror was found in Terror Bay. Oherwise very good review
What a nightmare it must have been... I really wish we had more historical horror movies/series like this (no supernatural elements necessary)
sick people see aliens and monsters and all sorts of things. I don't think we should ignore that. If they imagined it/hallucinated it, it was real for them. If you wanna be in their shoes I think you should allow yourself to imagine it as well.
Might want to give the recent Chernobyl series a try. It really does give off that horror feel, but it follows real events with real people as well.
I think there can be a horror movie about the Russians who went missing in the forest. I can’t remember the exact name, but they did make a video game about it. I also think there could be a movie about the bridge disaster that inspired the legend of the Mothman
Groomsman Dyatlov Pass?
BadGamerGood Yes! That’s it
So you’re telling me Mance Rayder couldn’t handle the North?
Jake Melchior The north remembers
We do not kneel.
theres more actors from got I noticed :-D
Its Cesar ans Brutous
Edmure fucked it up for him, like he did for Robb. Should have listened to the Blackfish.
Brilliant special effects, especially the fire braziers, the redness from the burning coals reflected off the unmelted snow beneath the brazier, haha.
The men who were sent home for medical reasons before they truly went to sail must feel so lucky they didn’t experience the icy hell the men who was with sir Franklin had to endure
"The Terror" is absolutely brilliant. Jared Harris, in particular, puts in an amazing performance.
I love him
His was surrounded by remarkable performances from Ciaran Hinds, Tobias Menzies, Paul Ready and Adam Nagaitis, but yet.... I felt Jared was the one CARRYING the series despite the strength of the supporting cast.
Jarred Harris in Chernobyl has another great performance..
Well, what can you expected? It's Jared Harris.
@@MrJordwalk Ian Hart was a stand out for me as well, everyone involved in this masterpiece was on the top of their game.
ah, the final voyages of the famous ships "Suicide Mission", and the SS "NOTGONNAMAKEIT"
HMS* no offense
"Operation Certain Death" is the name of a WWI offensive in Blackadder Goes Forth, as far as I recall.
@@carbo73 sums it up pretty well
Infuriated Dragon USS None Taken.
@@yuoma the ships were british so they were HMS, not USS
The supernatural element was great IMO. And I'm a huge fan of history. But I thought the subtle hints at something other that builds and builds throughout and then leading to the image of the bear, was excellent. It really drove home the feeling of the men being in another world, totally out of their depths.
One of the most compelling mini series I've ever seen. Exceptionall well done in every respect.
Love seeing my inuit brethren represented in today's media, I rarely get to hear our language heard in movies. Great review and like everyone else's comments, we've missed your work Nakumek Thank you