panellogy 276 - fave euro comics - wild west series
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- the first overview in a series... the others will show you comic series with crime, adventure, history and (of course) science-fiction stories...
my playlist with episodes about European comics:
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Great idea for a series. Will look forward to the other genre recommendations. Have you heard of the Western 'Undertaker'? Great art by Ralph Meyer.
oha, no, that looks very interesting and quite blueberry-ish, thanks
Great stuff. This is why I stay subscribed to this channel. So many gems out there that I haven't even heard about
Great looking books ! Thanks for sharing !
I just luckily stumbled over this great recommendation Video of yours. I love the western genre, movies, comics and videogames aswell. The problem is that videos like this, lead me direct to poverty... So many great books to buy. Thx for introducing them to us.
Greets
I think i have watched all your videos but rarely comment. I feel compelled to comment on this one to tell you how much i appreciate this format. As much as i love when you focus on a series or a writer, i realize we need more of this kind of video focusing on a genre. Thanks!!!
you're welcome, thanks for commenting
Art looks fantastic easy on the eyes Durango
wow, your top 3 were my childhood top 3. (Although I was not allowed to read Blueberry and Comanche at first as it was considered too violent for a very young boy, so I started with Lucky Luke and Asterix like everybody else)
I’m hoping for more English editions in the future. Enjoyed the video. Going to order Bouncer.
It's a shame there aren't as many English editions of these awesome looking westerns, I do have bouncer. However I finally managed to get hold of an English edition of a collection of blueberry comics from Ebay! Should be here anyway day, cant wait!
I am currently diving into jodorowsky's work as a director and man I knew it was gonna be fucked up... watched El Topo way too early some years back and have only watched some bits of The Holy Mountain. The Dune documentary is also incredibly engrossing, I remember you having put the whole story in a nutshell in what I believe was your first jodoverse episode. It would have been insane if it was ever brought to screen. Having read the source material my demands are quite strict and completely detached from the original I even liked david lynch's approach. I am confident that villeneuve will deliver something that is at least visually astounding and comes remotely close to the described book aesthetics.
ok, ok... much said, not quite referenced comics, have I? Bouncer does look fantastic indeed!
Bouncer by jordowosky and boucq commanche Greg and hermann
immediately assumed blueberry would end up being no. 1 - understandable choice of course. I always like this extreme transition if jean giraud's early work is directly compared with the utter new and distinctive style he attained pseudonymously. And I really believe that he has once stated in an interview that he had never attended an art course (which would at least be quite astounding in regards of blueberry... given the fact that he masters proportions of both humans & animals).
Still thinking I would have been better off if I went with comanche instead of bernard prince. I am a sucker for western if well done, far not as much of classic adventure though. I however enjoy the pirate vibe which often comes along in those stories.
I have only Blueberry (most of it, plus those great oversized b+w), a little Lucky Luke, and Bouncer, so thanks for the views of the others. Hermann and Palacios are delicious.
Which of the volumes of Comanche did you feature for the inner view (the executing of the unarmed man)?
it's the fourth album "red sky above Laramy" (or sth similar... just re-translating from the German title)
Thankee! I'm going to try and get that one just for gazing.
1st of all, sorry for the long replay. I hope it won't annoy you.
Nice top, man. I must say that this is the one where you meet my thoughts the most, but this may be because I prefer european comics by far and infact I read tons of them compared to american/english ones. Anyhow, excluding the ones that you didn't and can't read we share a lot of titles. This is my top:
1. La Dinastia dei Miller by Maurizio Bovarini. Weirdest west and it was made in 1970 (I always take into account the year and this one was lightyears ahead). It's not a series, but a one shot. Probably it was never published outside Italy.
2. Blueberry, but I don't really like it that much. It has the aura of a timeless piece but on the other hand Charlier's storytelling started in a way and ended in the same way, I mean there was no development in more than 20 years. For example, it's full of captions and Charlier limits Giraud too. Greg storytelling was way fresher. The last arc, Mr Blueberry, for me is the best and I didn't really miss Charlier. Well, I also prefer Moebius to Gir ... Nonetheless, the best album of the series is Ballad for a Coffin, a timeless masterpiece.
3. Buddy Longway
4. Tex: La Valle del Terrore by Nizzi and Magnus. Ok, let me tell you that Nizzi isn't even close to Tex's best writers and Tex is a 70 years monthly series, so it has more than 700 albums just from the main series and its golden age is before Nizzi. There is a special off-series called "Texone" for its big format and you have shown some of them (btw your Patagonia is way too slim), there are a lot of great artists like Bernet, Ortiz, Enrique Breccia, but the legendary one is Magnus'.
7 years in the making, billions of hatching but perfectly readable, every hatch at its perfect place, everything was deeply studied, also things like the sun's movement to give the right light or in the final assault all the 20 assailants move where they should, not at random.
Those are things that the reader won't catch probably, but they are there to make it unconsciously greater. Yeah, things like this, where you really feel the art is something very european and Tex is a mainstream series, I'm not talking about underground or independent stuff.
I don't know if you've ever heard of Magnus but he is a giant that should sit next to Toppi and Mattotti and above Pratt, Crepax and so on. Nizzi's writing ain't that special, but Magnus' art and storytelling is over the top. Boselli is better than Nizzi, I just wish that he was the writer for that story if there should be one, but if Magnus was the author it would have been better, the definitive western. If there was an italian google at the time I'm sure that the most asked question would be "is Magnus' Tex going to be published this year?", like "who killed Laura Palmer?" when Twin Peaks was airing!
I'm not a big fan of Bonelli's series and Tex feels too old for me, so I would tell you to read those "Texone" if you want to keep on reading Tex.
5. Mac Coy. Mac Coy's average art is better than Blueberry's for me. Palacios is really too good even in the first album and his colors? You really feel the sun hitting on your head.
6. Scalp by Hughues Micol. Newest entry in this list. It's as weird as the 1st place but with today's sensitivity, it's also a graphic novel and not a series.
7. Deadline by Rossi and Bollee. Rossi improved a lot compared to his work in Jim Cutlass, where he just copied Moebius, check it out. Another graphic novel.
8. Bouncer. It's also my favourite western. You know that it's still ongoing? Actually there are 11 tomes.
9. The Smell of the Starving Boys by Frederik Peeters. Modern western with great metaphors.
10. Comanche. I said that Greg was fresher, yeah, and I even prefer Hermann to Moebius, but Comanche doesn't end with Hermann's ten albums, it continues ...
There are a lot more with lower ranks, like Hiram Lowatt & Placido by David B. and Blain (weird and surreal), Trent, Jonathan Cartland (it should have had a better writer), Chinaman(not that great like the others), etc. There are also others that are highly praised but I haven't read, for example there are a lot who believe that Ken Parker by Berardi and Milazzo is the greatest western, also la Storia del West by d'Antonio, Gus by Blain, Texas Cowboys ...
That's all.
wow... that's a lot to digest, fantastic!!! thanks
There's a lot in your list that I've never heard of (Scalp, Bovarini, Magnus...) and a lot of stuff about comics that I've kinda know but seemingly not really at all (Tex...). The German (and of course: the English, but that goes without saying) publishers need to translate more Italian comics, it's a shame!
Something I do know but I left it out, because this should be only an overview (Comanche after Hermann...)
I guess your list is in no particular order, is it? Because if so I do had to ask you why Blueberry is on rank 2 despite of your reservations...
@@earlgrey862 It is in order, not from preference point of view but from the best on. In my opinion. Blueberry is in the 2nd place for the impact it had. It changed the western and when you are the first to do something you meet the difficulties, while the other that came after can adjust it. As I said, the year counts. Even Gir, that wasn't a true master in the 60s, after 2-3 albums he was already on the level of Jijè and like every new comer he has got random colorists at the beginning. Infact the things changed with 12th album, when Tran Le Evelyn (valerian and laureline's) started to color them, then Gir himself. I'm just saying that if he started it in the 70's it would be better from the beginning.
Despite Charlier's captions, which you can easily skip (infact I did at some point), BB remains the only western with larger scheme. Cartland, Buddy Longway, Mac Coy, Comanche, the 1st that came out after, were episodic, BB had sagas, more albums for a sigle plot and Charlier has done a clockwork and firing mechanisms. Van Hamme may be inspired by Greg, as he says, because he prefers to show than tell, but on the other hand it was Charlier who, even before BB, started to revolutionize the single episodic album narrative. It was a popular series, this was the limit that Charlier liked but Gir didn't. Ballad for a Coffin and the 21st album were done in a more Moebius style and they were highly criticized.
That's why I think it should be up there. On the other hand I would enjoy the re-reading of Bouncer, Mac Coy and Longway way more.
Magnus' carreer was like Moebius and Eisner's: started in a mainstream genre, changed its face and then became a true author highly considered. "The Unknow" came out in the same year of Alack Sinner and it too was noir, but not hard boiled, and like Alack it was really different from everything that you could read. 110 pills must be his most known work outside Italy, which was also added in 1001 Comics along with his Necron (another well known but it's a minor work), while "I Briganti", Unknow, 110 Pills and "Le Femmine Incantate" are his must read.
US is publishing Toppi and one day will be Magnus' turn. I must say that he went a bit out of radar, while he was acclaimed and even considered as one of 15th most influencial cartoonist in France in '90s.
P.S. in my outside list there would be Durango and Lucky Luke too, obviously. Actually Sfar and Blain are working on 2 new Blueberry tomes.
There are really tons of untranslated french westerns.
yes... and I hope that everyone watching realizes how subjective and necessarily incomplete my lists are. Rather a starting point than some kind of "canon"
@@earlgrey862 those lists are good and useful to let people know what's there. For example, in my case, I've bought some american ones after discovering them thanks to you. The next one I'm going to buy is IDW Dracula since it's black and white.
I have some good news dc comics has solicited the jonah hex omnibus in its new solicitations
the old J.hex stuff?
Yes
Solicited for November or December
thanks for the video, is possible to list the books names in the descriptions
uh, somehow I wanted keep the suspense... and somehow I was just a bit too lazy...
The European comic books about the west looks beautiful, and, through this recommendation I would like to recommend to you to read the manga Steel Ball Run, the 7th part on the on going manga (and currently being adapted into anime) series Jojo's bizarre adventure. Though you can't read steel ball run yet without either reading through the first 6 parts of the manga, or watching through the currently 5 adapted parts of the anime and reading through the 6th. Jojo's as a series is one of the most uniquely creative and tastefully bizarre stories ever presented into fiction so I highly recommend you check it out!
Those are some beautiful books. Palacios seems to share a peculiar trait that I see in a few European cartoonists, an admiration for Mad artist Mort Drucker; you can see it in the early satirical work of Jean Giraud as well. It's interesting to me how these fixations come up in Europe and are not manifest in the U.S.
Also, are you familiar with Paolo Serpieri's western comics? The art I've seen is pretty stunning.
yes, I can see the similarities to Drucker... but maybe it's just because both rely on photos from movie stars and scenes?!
I own one of Serpieri's comics... and there are more coming since they have started recently to republish them.
@@earlgrey862 MacCoy is definitely Robert Redford. Likenesses seem big in a lot of European comics; it'd be interesting to see just how many places Jean-Paul Belmondo and Ursula Andress show up.
yeah, Blueberry was modelled after Belmondo... I guess with the hope that he would play him in a movie adaptation
as my cinephile side is about to ravish my mind and take over atm I feel like the time has come to ask you some questions that rack my brain!! What kind of movies do you enjoy most? If I am not mistaken you once annotated you really liked godard & truffaut which are undeniably big names in auteur movies. What however is your stance on bergman, bresson or hitchcock for example? I have recently found myself mesmerized and endlessly captivated by the inescapable power of alain resnais films. So, what are your fields of interest and subjective toplists?
In the past few weeks I watched some less known samples of german expressionism for a presentation in school about "art art the time of national socialism" with special focus on the "degenerate art". A fellow student I was working with discussed the propagandistic nazi art. I was however able to also slip in the film aspect and briefly address it as we didn't have much time anyway. Very interesting journey I went through with the research - although I chose the topic deliberately due to the existent foreknowledge. And yet I was flabbergasted that the subject had never popped up in class itself. Have you included the topic in your art class?
oha, sorry I'm moving right now... so I have very little time... but I'll come back to your comments soon (even though I feel you give me much to much credit for my cinemascopic knowledge)
hmm... I watched two Edgar Wallace-movies together with my son recently, but I don't think that's the stuff you're aiming at :P
seriously, I can't come up with high minded ideas about cinema right now... maybe in the near future when I'm able to regain my love for movies again. In general: I like more minimal, slower movies (Kaurismäki, Jarmusch...), the ones that are exactly the opposite to the slam-bam-3D-zillion cuts per second stuff that I have watched with my kids in the movie theatre in the last years.
And it's not really a subject in school and when, I'm teaching 'n preaching about artists like Bill Viola or Gary Hill who do video installations
@@earlgrey862 Ha, I am a fan of Edgar Wallace movies! Watched plenty of them with my father as well. To this day I have a soft spot for the dark tone - the high-contrast black and white which at they same time of course was humorous and pulpy. Some films really disturbed me and Eddi Arent was always like the comic relief that brought me back and banished my prevailing fear. Totally with you regarding the directors. Yes, Jarmusch is nice for sure. Hasn't been that long ago that I went into some of Kaurismäki's stuff. The Match Factory Girl pleasantly surprised me with only a couple of words spoken in the entire movie. Your preference of the slower and minimal films is something I can relate to. Although I am not necessarily turned off by the big blockbusters, I have to say that I somehow developed a genuine dislike to action movies without much beyond their facade. I can see how the newest installment of John Wick is a feast for the eyes for some, that it is indeed well choreographed and has an undeniable rhythm & musicality but I seriously can't think of a movie that bored me more. Without wanting to become this pretentious snob claiming everything is not sophisticated enough, I feel that only watching a certain type of movie really makes you appreciate things and start having an utterly different perception. It seems no longer possible to enjoy those guilty pleasures and return to your beloved goods which you have seen a zillion times already when something far superior is available that provides new perspectives and angles to look at. Perhaps the same effect modern art had on me applies to film art as well.
video installations? Certainly wouldn't have thought that.
...and the soundtracks by peter thomas, how he composed this trashy Fahrstuhlmusik around sounds in the movie like the ringing of the phone etc .... and klaus kinski, best actor ever... in a way at least... even though he wasn't actually acting
yeah, I can see you becoming a quite pretentious snob :D
@@earlgrey862 The music in general... and the opening titles. "Hello - hier spricht Edgar Wallace"... Ironically I have watched "Der Hexer" which is probably his most popular one for the very first time quite recently. I loved the Jürgen Roland movies and the other big director I enjoyed was Alfred Vohrer. Kinski certainly was one of a kind. It were those movies who introduced me to him but I will never forget his iconic rage at the fitzcarraldo set. Zizek said that the backstory, the strange circumstances and incidents on the island are actually far more interesting than the movie itself. He is kinda right in saying that if one takes a look at what happened during the shoot. I really wanted to watch this documentary about herzog's & kinski's relationship.
Word!
Jodorowsky... so this is about European comics and not about comics made by european creators?
uh... yes, there you got me... actually I wanted to leave out all the comics made by south americans (for a later separate top ten maybe). Usually I tend to think of the artist as the more important contributor and since Boucq is French: voilà! But Jodo is definitely a complicated matter, because he definitely puts his stamp on everything he touches.
@@earlgrey862 I know, it's just that, well, imagine someone did a top 10 american comic books and all comis on that list were written by the likes of Warren Ellis, Neil Gaiman, Allan Moor, etc, etc - and drawn by the likes of D'Israeli, Juan Gimenez, Jordi Bernett or Olivier Ledroit with covers by the likes of Luis Royo, Millo Manara or Moebius. It wouldn't really feel like a list of great American comic books as much as a list of great comic books published in the US.
I've spent over half a grand on Jodorowsky comics, I adore his oeuvre and am a great fan of the SF universe he and Moebius created - hell, I know for a fact I spend over $400 USD on hardcovers of just his SF Jodoverser/Metabarons Universe. But I would have loved it if in his stead you would have showcased another set of european creators - or just pushed up one of the few that didn't make the top 10 cut.
As for a Sourth American list... well, that's going to be a Jodorowsky based list if there ever was one.