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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2015
- I have been in IT since 2010. I started out doing HP warranty support, hardware. Then I was lucky enough to be called out of the blue by a temp agency and got a really good job working with a defense contractor doing desk side support. I did that for two and half years. I left because during that time I had graduated college, bachelor of applied arts and science//applied technology and performance improvement(so it's not a computer science degree), I also had acquired my CCNA. With that I put my resume out there. Later a temp agency called me about a level 1 technician job at a large financial company working in their NOC. I did that and within 3 months I was let go. They knew I was new, and I had just had an interview with my manager and he said I was doing well. I know they were really needing Spanish speakers, because we had lost a bunch of them and the ones that were left were always on the phone. Anyway, so I then got a part time gig with a friend of a friend that had some clients and he did their IT support. Then I was hired on with another small company and there I was able to touch servers, deal with city organizations(we provided support for 3 small cities) this also meant helping the fire and police personnel. I was just let go from this job 2 months ago. Was told that I lack confidence, even though he still wanted me to continue to support another client and he would pay me to help them.(they were "my" client, and to be real I was constantly asking the other techs if they had work that I could help them with. I really think he just didn't have the work for me)
The first month I was in disbelief and just did nothing to look for another job. Looking for a jobs now I find that desktop and helpdesk jobs are plentiful but finding a network job that is for an entry level person like myself is almost non-existent.
So, how can I gain the experience to get a network admin position when it seems they want experienced people? Is this where I am supposed to say I can do all this work and that I know how to do the things they want, knowing that I have no clue how to do them, or honestly say I have not done that but I can learn?
-Donovan B.
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This was really good. I like the straight/honest answers style.
*Eli* Thank you for always being a straight shooter, and giving your honest opinions.
Study for and get your CCNA. While doing so network with those around you! Update your resume, apply to any job, regardless of experience required, where the minimum requirements are a CCNA.
I would argue that studying for and hoping to pass your CCNP directly after a CCNA with no experience is no easy task. That's putting it lightly. To put it bluntly, I've been in IT for over 10 years, worked at numerous places, and know 0 people who have been able to do this. Sure there are those attempting it but there is a very, very high percentage you will not pass. To put yourself in the best position for this would be to study while working as a Network Admin. That is how and why Network Admins become Network Engineers who then become Lead Engineers, etc. There is a pathway.
Get your CCNA, put yourself out there and apply to entry level networking positions. Do some part time work if you don't have a gig in IT and the opportunity will present itself.
Hi Eli. Watched ur 2010 video and now this one. Noticed ur voice and appearance changed a lot :) liked ur videos. Hope ur channel being more and more popular
IT is a fucked field, went to college, got my education, excelled, got a job in a week after graduating in a support position (was excited, untill I saw the salary)...all the hard work in the education and debt for cheap pay. I said it's okay I will get experience and move up?
I've been doing support for 1.5 yrs now, all the knowledge I had in networkin from school is gone, all the linux knowledge in sys admin is gone...only windows sys admin has stayed because IT Support...this is a very tough field for a young growing professional.
The thing is...you got no networking/sys admin experience? well we don't trust you with our systems, have a great day
How do you expect young guys to ever grow up in the field and become experts if they are being denied and put in support roles? then talk about lack of professionals in networking/security etc...well of course there is a lack, no one trusts young inexperienced, but educated person...and I am not talking about those old IT people that do so many tasks, which stops the department from growing and getting new people...because he can do it all menthality
Excellent Video Eli...Keep the Good Work!
It looks like you still need the CCNA as a prerequisite for CCNP so it's slightly important step first.
Great advice, thank u!!
This upload summed up:
Networking jobs that aren't help desk are hard to get. Get your CCNA, then immediately start studying for your CCNP.
If you lab every night, get your CCNP, and have a small amount of desktop support history, you're in.
Good explanation and suggestions.
I'm 48 almost done with my AA and got my CCNA, but is hard to find work as entry level....
just got mine and trying to apply for entry networking jobs, did you finally get a break?
@@thathandsomedevil0828 did you ever get anything?
@@watt4098 No. I got a different gig supporting firewalls instead. I spoke to one of my senior colleagues and he had to do a work stint for a year in the Czech Republic to use his CCNA R&S, which is quite frankly depressing, considering you go through all that training in the UK.
I got a $60,000 a year job with a CCNA and a security+, and so why he's saying not to even try with "just a CCNA" I don't know.
Can you explain more about the path you took? Is the CCNA and Sec+ all you have, did you do Helpdesk for a while as well?
actually the CCENT is the very first level. and below CCNA the network+ as well.
Now that we have all these established network databases the focus now is the management and security of these networks look into network security jobs or cybersecurity
Find a NOC Technician job. Gets you experience working with networking, yet it's an entry level position.
+XxGamersUnitedxX Do you know what the average pay for a NOC tech job is? I currently work a help desk position that has me doing nothing related to networking at all. They pay me very well for a help desk, though the lack of experience is killing me.
***** What kind of things do trhey have you doing out of curiosity? Help Desk is different from NOC, you're working with people, while the network operation center job you'll be working with networks.
XxGamersUnitedxX Its basic desktop support. Resetting passwords, making sure people can connect to the network, office apps, some proprietary apps that my company uses, etc. The MOST I do in regards to networking is run continuous pings to test branch office connectivity.
It sucks though that I was turned down a job now becuase I didnt have a CCNA certification -,- While I'm in my final year of a Bachelor in Applied Computer Science and already have hands-on experience with HP switches.
I have a dual CCNA (R&S/security) and own a bsc in comp science.
I have to disagree with this balding dude because a CCNA is still enough to get an entry degree.
Btw balding guy: you need a CCNA before getting a CCNP...
DO NOT APPLY FOR HELPDESK JOBS!!!! AND DONT LISTEN TO THIS BALD DUDE
so hw to get a job in german in networking with CCNA certified with no experience....can u giv advice
Well I study at the moment for my CCNA R&S, I am based in Eastern Europe, and here is really high demand for Cisco (besides VMware, Microsoft etc.) certified people. Besides I could get a simple helpdesk job, without any certification. I watched some of the interviews he has made, and it felt he doesn`t impressed by Cisco certifications.
Lol his every video is filled with negativity I unsubscribed after a while
I'm sick of Helpdesk. I gave it up to study either a hnd or a bachelor.
I agree! If I had to do it all over I would absolutely skip the help desk altogether, get more certs and have started out in an entry level networking role or similar. I didn't have any options at the time after graduating and had to take what I could get. It sucks but it's the reality for some.
You will have to generate your own opportunity good brother. #itsiron
This days IT sector dont have anything close to engineering like it used to be before.
Anyway after some time spend in one of the biggest IT support company in the field I decided to switch back to real engineering job. Pissed off from dealing with people from any rank and age. For me IT becomes more and more a*ss licking, maybe there is sens to stay in this position only if you deal with Unix systems (freeBSD,Linux et.c) scripting the good old #bash and some networking. Anyway its personal opinion :)
Whats the first step to learn more about networks ops type of jobs? Currently working in helpdesk
You could go into television broadcasting, but the problem is breaking into the field of networking. Am I wrong?
Ferengi rule of aquisition #33: It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
I am going to school for engineering have just started in first year. Have just started my maths and am wondering can I go into a entry level computer/it job during college or how hard and what would be needed.
hi Eli i have been working in IT since 2008 and i was an SMe and then later became Team Lead being as a contract employee, and now i have interview direct from the company as a Desktop engineer, should i start again from the start,... ? please advise....the company is good.
he is speaking the truth.
I did Computer science it has som networking modules then is it necessary to study CCNA if yes then where?
Thanks Eli!!! :-)
Thanks dude
You're right Eli, plug Cisco in and forget about it. Cisco is that reliable.
What I have found when being interviewed is they want you to know a lot of technical answers. Port numbers, Bandwidths, Cabling distances, troubleshooting layer 3, etc.. Its all technical. I haven't had a personality questions interview yet with an IT company.;
Thank you so very much. I just graduated with a bachelors in networking. I will take your advance and look for help desk jobs and work my way up.
Well, I can tell you and others this, I have been informed at several interviews that this is the step to take.
is bachelor of network ing or telecommunications has good jobs
Hey Eli I really like you videos I would like to know what kind of job should I start applying for with my Comptia A+
Romone Queen desktop support or system admin .
What about comptia? Is good enough to get a job in network?
to be honest....He has a very good point.... There is more opportunities in infrastructure and desktop support.... Not quite as much in networking... And I know I've done both. In terms of qualifications . He is correct wouldn't even waste my time with CCNA but does provide fundamentals nothing else.
If you have a bachelors degree from a reputable university with great IT content that will help. CCNP ya , it's very good... My preference these days is Citrix,AWS, and of course VMware... Good to go for. And anybody tells me otherwise, that's fine.
So Network+ alone doesn’t stand a chance?
been adressed for lack of confidence is a problem in my opinion.
Looking for advice; I have my fourth interview, primarily a personality interview to see if we would be a good fit for each other on Monday. My wife is 33 weeks pregnant. I have told the new potential employer that I would need to give my current employment a two week notice. So potential start date would put my wife at about 38 weeks. Everyone that I have talked to, including management from my current employer say that I should not mention that I have a child on the way. This seems a bit dishonest to me and not a good way to start a new career. Any advice on weather I should bring this topic up during the fourth interview or on how to best address the situation would be greatly appreciated.
You find a job? And hows the baby girl/boy?
How do I prepare for a interview and what kind of questions will I face ?
+brandonjames160 Expect 15-20 technical questions, and about 2-3 personality
God damn. A CCNA doesn't stand out? I'm super late to the game and just got my Net+. So apparently thats even more worthless.
When I tried googling this, I just got a bunch of spam for random colleges, so I'm just going to ask it here.
How necessary is having bachelors degree when it comes to getting into the networking field? I understand the necessity of certifications, but would I be at a huge disadvantage for having an associates as opposed to a bachelors?
I'd like to have the answered as well cause I'm in the same boat
Im wondering the same thing.
TheLighting564
I just graduated with an Associates Degree in Networking. Majority of the people I went to school with got their CCNA'S and still were only getting offers for help desk jobs. A CCNA is becoming obsolete with how many people have them. CCNP is another story. When it comes down to it its all about who you know and what you know. Certifications are great but to get a good job you are going to have to demonstrate the skill. You wont get it because you have certs and a degree unless you actually know and can prove you know what your doing.
I'm curious about an associates in networking. What exactly is it called? Like the official name of the degree? Where I live there is an associates of applied science for "Network Administration" which is what I am about to pursue.
Ah, I see. Yeah the community colleges in my area don't have that. One of them has "Network Administration A.A.S" which doesn't really set you up for a bachelors or continued education. An associates of applied science is meant to get an associates and then get working. I'm so confused on what to do lol. I had already made my mind up on this network admin degree but I'm starting to question myself
Ccie security vs ethical hacking certification which will be the best for future???
Oh my. Those are two VERY different certs. In terms of difficulty and information. CCIE level are designed for network pros who really really know their stuff and is a very well respected cert. The CEH on the other end is more so focused on offensive/defensive security practices and is on the entry level side but still a nice one to have. It goes CCENT ->CCNA -> CCNP ->CCIE.
Got important things about networking and am in right path of learning ccna
Manikandan K .. have u completed it..?
Vimal Prakash yeah
Manikandan K got hired uh?
Recently got out of the military know a lot of dudes that got pretty good gigs on a CCNA
Maybe things have changed since this video was made but I just don’t see what he’s talking about
Hello there. Eli I'm sorry but you have it very very wrong with Cisco. Most companies would hire a CCNA than a Network Plus guy. Cisco goes into some serious security including knowing the material very well. I know 20 companies that would prefer CCNAs over Network plus guys. infact 85 percent of the Internet runs on Cisco technology. That's why they are the leading network infrastructure technology in the world. Any CCNA person is confident on their knowledge. CCNP is also a higher level but CCNA is well desire by employers in the industry if you want to make some serious money. Sounds like Adam Steele knows what he is talking about as well as I do.
Any advice for career path for entry level? Help desk while studying to pass CCNA?
Hy
I completed CCNA r&s ,ccnp r&s , mcsa
Will i get job network administrator or other network jobs?
You should be able to, only got CCNA R&S... : 0
Is there a way of getting a helpdesk job just having CCNA? I'm looking to start and all I have is CCNA.
Helpdesk as in tech support for users in a company? I got into it via doing CompTIA A+, N+ but got lucky and got a break working in a private software house.
Eli What About CompTIA Network+, Can You Get a Job With a Network+
+Jimmy a Geek Thats much lower on the totem pole than a CCNA. Any CompTIA cert is cake compared to the CCNA. I dont know about the CASP but nearly every CompTIA cert is very entry level.
I'm going to community college for computer networking cisco track and I honestly have no ideal where I can start in the job field with no experience.
+I'm a princess
Become an MCSE as well.
+Joey Gonza ok thank you
Hopefulbond If I may ask how are you doing today with computer networking ?
I've a bachelor in IT and need another certification, what route should I go for? Networking or Microsoft? I'm also interested in web development but hate coding... really confused :/
which cert will increase your chances of getting hired? getting more skills? make your resume look good? It's okay to be confused but I'd say to follow your heart. If you hate coding, I wouldn't recommend Web Development. Do what you love/have a passion for
+Eric Zacarias that's why I'm so confused cause I believe with modern softwares there isn't much coding involved and actually I loved graphic design and won some logo contests on 99design website, but again didn't enjoy coding in college days. Some friends keep telling me go for web development since you're already good at desiging but honestly I think I'll end up for a ccna or a short related course. Appreciate the help.
+Night Hawk alright go for it, and no problem! Just make sure to never settle for less. Good luck
i am 30 years now, can i start learning about Computer Networking? i am too late to start computer? i know some about computer administration tools. i love all kind of computer skills but i hate coding. can you give some idea, what should i start?
never too late even if you are 70 years old
just make a plan what you want CCNA>CCNP>CCIE
or CCNA>MCSA>MCSE all good just step by step and you will get there
the hardest part the starting
Samady KS I'm 40. Just changed careers.
You don’t need a ccnp to get a job! I’m a noc tech with ccna only! No experience before
no Eli, this is terrible advice. like your vids but for someone who holds a ccna and only a ccna never had any other certs. But worked desktop support and helpdesk for over 7 years. gained network experience with those jobs. u truly never need to get beyond a ccna to get ANY job in the networking field, I've had several. after ccna I would stop with Cisco and transition to either cissp, or aws, or cloud or virtualization. because that's the future.
raheim21 Do you have any articles or websites on this?
I am very similar to you, got 10 years doing desktop support and recently got CCNA. Will look into the cloud stuff you mentioned.
sir
I am new to this
and I am trying to get into networking
so please could guide me
me too man, I start school in a few months for computer networking and im nervous about not being able to land a job afterwards.
GMG 254 it’s been three years, hows has it been?
try being middle age and out of work with only a CCNA.
+novadhd Try being 40 - laid off - 15 years experience but no certs or degree. FML
One year later, did you get any cert back then?
Are you any better now or did you completely abandon the networking field?
In your boat. I have also studied windows server mcsa.
@@patshah6798 Facccck, got CCNA and currently working towards MCSA... how did it turn out for you?
I work as a System Administrator and Eli is correct. I think Cisco and Linux knowledge are all required with the job. You have to have knowledge on just about everything because people will ask you questions and "I don't know." is not an answer and I've heard many newbie's say this. If you don't know, Google and find out. I support EVERYTHING on the network. 50 desktops, 50 laptops, Exchange Server, SQL Server, Linux, the Cisco router and firewall, VMware. Of course, all the switches and WAP's. All the printers, the website, catalogs, report writing, IP Office, CCTV Security cameras, Iphones, droids, and their apps. FTP jobs, cron jobs, alarm system. It's never ending. I've never excelled at people skills so training is really not for me, but I'll for sure keep the company up and running.
+Phuck Ewe this is why people can't get network jobs. great post
actually i;m planning to do a degree in Bsc networking and i'm pretty interested with the networking. whereas my friends and family discouraging me not to do a degree in networking. can you help me with this??? once if i qualified on network engineering what about my career path and and is there is a job opportunity in networking???
Inam Haq better go with computer science
Degree in networking dosent mean anything in the networking world. Get your ccna. If you have question go watch network chuck.
This is very horrible advice. Please don't listen to this guy.
+Adam Steele Why is it horrible advice..?
+Eli the Computer Guy Live It's not good advice because almost everything you've stated in this video is not based on fact and is not true. The CCNA is a very challenging and worth while journey, and Cisco devices do in fact break and can become vulnerable to malware. While I haven't seen your other videos sense a bit of sysadmin snobbery in your tone toward "datacomm techs" as you put it. Those individuals who are dedicated to understanding the virtually unlimited intricacies of how packets and frames traverse the information highway will encounter a market that is in high demand of qualified, hungry and passionate people.
I am speaking from experience because I once too was a desktop support technician and have worked my way into a Network Designer role with a major ISP in Canada.
My advice if you're just starting out is to get educated first and foremost. That means either a technical degree in information systems or telecommunications and bind that with the CCNA R&S. More importantly though in today's market you need to be acutely aware of the fact your ability to learn (aptitude) and attitude are actually the biggest assets you have, and that you may need to relocate to get experience. And get real equipment in a home lab; show that you've invested in your future and that you're serious about it; stay away from brain dumpers.
If you need references for a job working desktop support or help desk will certainly help you obtain those NOC like roles, but I would do it as a last possible resort. If you don't use the skills you've learned in CCNA I guarantee you will forget and lose them in a month working at a help desk unless you are labbing every night and even then it's not the same.
If you're not a network engineer or have never worked in a NOC as at least Level 1 support its not a good idea to be giving advise about how to enter the field.
+Adam Steele I don't think you understood things. As someone with only a CCNA who cannot get a job with it - I can verify almost everything he said was fully accurate (in my experience).
The point was - the CCNA on it's own merit at this point (Without accompanying experience) is not enough to get a job.
+Ted Jamison then you need to move to an area where you can find a NOC to work at. Start from the bottom and work your way up. You will get hired at a NOC Tier 1 support with a CCNA if you know what you are talking about and can answer basic questions in an interview. If you didn't take your studies seriously then you have a big hill to climb.
+Tim Ess 😂
Cool so I'm fucked basically
Skip to 9:15 for best advice
Get a bunch of expensive certs with no guarantee to feed your wife and kids or get some
Automotive training as a repair tech and feed your family!
when the robots take over the automotive repairs industry, then what?
they already make most cars, BTW...
fuck no! i was an auto tech, that industry is shit now too.
This guy tells the unpleasant truth about networking jobs. They are almost nonexistent these days. Do a job board search for CCNA in your area and see for yourself how few there are, compared to software development jobs using Java or Python for instance. It's true that once you've configured Cisco equipment, it requires very little attention, and that makes for very few Cisco networking jobs, especially at the CCNA entry-level.
get a degree
Don't even do a resume with a CCNA ? This is your worst video.