@@AHugeBirdI'm sorry to tell you this but zhongli has basically been nominated as the strongest lore wise and people wise. He's 4000 years older then ei btw. Just don't let the ei simping blind you my man or woman.
@@TagSwine again with the baseless statements. I can count you countless feats for ei whereas zhongli has close to none. Unless ur gonna make an actual arguement ur point remains irrelevant
@@byleth1034 “In the games lore” it says nothing such as “zhongli is the strongest archon” 💀 y’all clearly know nothing about the games lore yet for some reason act like u do. Ei slams zhongli none of his feats comes close to hers
Zhongli wins easy Current Raiden is her prime, in the Archons war she was weaker than the current one, not to mention that Zhongli killed and sealed more gods than her, so even in prime he would still win
no currently raiden's powers r diminishing it was said by herself s well as miko we have no idea how strong they were during the archon war so its baseless assumptions
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 beisht who had to be taken down by the adepti, beidou's crew, and Ning Osial >>>>>> beisht The same osial who got oneshotted by a gnosis less zhongli
Ei worked solo and has feats like raw strength which can split dimensions, god tier mental resistance, ability to make illusions . No hate but a big rock meteor ain't gonna be able to defend against Ei
@@kevinkarthik3329 lol thats not split dimension wtf it's basically like Dimension slash... and Zhongli have more bigger spear than meteorit+it's not even his ultimate move Ilusion Is nothing Thats you can see different, nahida ilusion is more than ei ilusion (for sure she didn't even Use this Move on fight beside gameplay boses)
@@yyyumekolo yeah it was before makoto died when she expanded the lands of inazuma. After she died she protected inazuma and took over the role of the electro archon if you are saying that after makoto died ei protected inazuma you are right but didn’t zhongli also protect Liyue at the cataclysm
Archon war Morax was throwing around mountains, trapping gods, and dragged azhadaha on the floor with one hand. As well as created a whole island Archon war ei couldn't even save her sister💀
There's no statement about zhongli dragged azhdaha with ONE hand. I bet you didn't know about inazuma archon war. Makoto wasn't a good fighter, never once sharpened her sword, a gentle god, protected by Ei from countless calamities. The one who deal the warfare and slaughter was Ei. (Stated in raiden char story and story quest) Makoto died in cataclysm (500 years ago), not archon war, she fought without Ei. Ei slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story) She possesses great strength in war and those deities defeated were all slain to the last (stated in sangonomiya book) She slayed orobashi + akuou + split island + gives permanent balethunder in just ONE SLASH with her polearm She killed thunderbird with one lightning attack, thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire tsurumi civilization and put them into eternal loop curse. Even thunderbird fragment destroyed seirai island. Zhongli + guizhong+ the adepti couldn't protect guilli plain from being destroyed when archon war happened, they lost guizhong, and they had to move the people to liyue harbour
@@mukil2399 i think u dont know Orabashi wasn't even put up a fight. He was killed bcs of his sins for searching the forbidden knowledge. He SACRIFICED himself.. *celestial orders*
@@NonamE-ol8kx8fx3o although it's an suicide attack for orobashi, but he did well prepared He trained his people and became mighty warriors, commandeered sea monsters and ships, mastering wave and cloud (stated in sangonomiya book) even one of them (akuou) was strong enough to kill general tengu sasayuri. It's not he doesn't put a fight. Its stated that he fear of Ei, he had no chance against her. Even if he uses his full power, the result is still the same.
@@NonamE-ol8kx8fx3o all of gods that defeated in inazuma were slain by Ei (stated in sangonomiya book) Orobashi fled from archon war, he can't beat Ei (stated in oathsworn eye) Ei doesn't know about the celestial order, orobashi waged war against her -> she killed orobashi, as simple as that Saying "it's just a suicide" or "it's cuz celestial order" doesn't affect the feat.
Do you have any idea how those Eiffel size spears hit someone whose move as fast as lightning? Also what are zhongli feats about durability? Is it because "geo"?
@@LuciferW1727 1. Does having the ability to make Eiffel size spears mean it can hit the opponent that moves as fast as lightning? 2. You said you were disappointed that durability was given to Ei? Do you have the references to support your argument? I don't think those questions r difficult
Feats goes to Zhongli, he had the most god kills FIGHTING ALONE, canonically doing this by DROPPING MOUNTAIN SIZED STONE SPEARS ON GODS, and Ei has not alone, didn’t have the most kills, but PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE OLDEST AND STRONGEST ARCHON
It is the opposite actually. Zhongli fought alongside some gods (guizhong, marchosius) and the adepti in the archon war. Later he has a dragon king as an ally. Rex lapis never fight alone (stated in beidou char story) He's stated to be the oldest archon, not the strongest
@@mukil2399Нет , Моракс очень часто сражался один. И если ты не знал , Эи ВСЕГДА сражалась с гигантской армией и несколькими генералами , которые по силе равны адептам)
@@mukil2399 Beidou's statement is clearly not true zhongli was the one who killed the most gods in the archon war the other gods like guizhong were busy protecting the nation yakshas were called upon because zhongli killed so many gods the karmic debt was released in so much quantity they wrecked chaos all over liyue and yakashas were eliminating them and even with the all the yakashas in action most of them went insane due to the karmic debt collected while fighting the evil(God's karmic debt)
@@passangtamang-kx7jy I'll bring you some statements "Thousands of years ago, the ADEPTI and I fought against the turmoil that plagued every corner of this land." (Stated by zhongli in his story quest) "We adepti have not faced a god in several millenia." (Stated by cloud retainer in liyue archon quest) Bring the statement from the game that beidou statement isn't true
No doubt Morax at his prime is much more powerful than Baal in her prime. The main reason people assume the latter that she's more powerful is due to something called a bias. You see people often see antagonists as more powerful than your allies, it makes them seem more like a hurdle the protagonist needs to defeat. As such, your allies are not portrayed as very powerful. I doubt the harbingers are actually god level strong. The simple logic of "why should they obey a god if they are stronger than gods". The same goes to Ei. Although her feats are amazing, she doesn't compare to Morax who has sealed numerous gods and defeated nature defying gods with and without the help of the Adepti. Then there's the Adepti who follow him loyalty. You can't take them out of the picture since they are basically part of his whole package. He has demi gods as allies that fight alongside him and has their unwavering loyalty, without any other drawbacks forcing them to do so other than protect Liyue and probably a few contracts. That in itself is a feat only one other has achieved, the Tsaritsa and her Harbingers.
Ei has similair or even better feats then morax. Zhongli defeated gods left and right ( with a full team of adeptus and azhdaha) and raiden protected makoto from countless calamaties. Defeating gods left and right = defeating countless calamaties and ei did it mostly by herself which is even a greater feat. Also zhongli making a island out of his spears which he sealed gods with and ei splitting an island in 2 with her 1 slash which was only colletaral damage. You can't just say zhongli was without a doubt stronger when mihoyo never stated zhongli was stronger. They purposely left this open so there would be no comparison.
@@AHugeBird you told morax is featless ???and ei have feats still lost against traveller's and can't defeat her own puppet 500 years Who told morax is featless
ei's feats - defeated orobashi who is strong enough to lift an island, also she did in base/ weakest form btw she didn't have any unique sword styles like hitotachi nor ishhin, - accidentally sliced an island in the process, the attack went so far it damaged a bit narukami shrine ( not sure ) - oneshotted thunderbird (overkill again 💀), the same bird that cursed and was capable to destroy an island - fought an exact copy of her self for 500 years - mastered sword skills powerful enough to cut through space zhongli's feats - perfected elemental mastery to the point he can create living beings like geo whales and geo birds - defeated the lord of vishaps, the lord of vishaps themselves, the same vishaps that went on war with the most powerful being in existence during ancient times - defeated chi - oneshotted osial, who's much stronger than beisht,the same beisht who well had to be defeated by the traveler, beidou's crew, Ning and a few adepti - has an arsenal of total 2 - 3 weapons - narratively has the highest kill count during the archon war - casually erases mountains from existence - defeated baqiu, another sea monster, he send geo whales to defeat this nickaroma - is 6000 years old outcome (AW) zhongli >>>>> ei (cataclysm/prime) zhongli >= ei (currently) ei >>>> zhongli
Adding info: Right now Ei uses the shogun body and awakened musou isshin (makoto's sword) The shogun body is strong enough to resist erosion which Gods and dragon kings can't. The shogun is stated could surpass Eis lifespan and could defend inazuma forever. Its prototype version (scara) is stated to be inexhaustible (stated in char story) The awakened musou isshin itself has the power that is beyond the limit of shogun's understanding (stated in the quest) So we don't know how powerful the slash right now
As for zhongli feats, I don't find any statement about "highest kill count" and "casually erase mountains from existance", could you tell me where the statement is? Also I don't think he one shot osial, cuz there's no detail about how they fight, but the results is osial sealed with stone spears. Zhongli said both he and osial had an ancient grudge (stated in story quest), they're kind of rival As for baqiu, morax geo whale couldn't beat it, so morax made the geo kit to bring baqiu into the depth of the sea. (stated in pjws)
@@mukil2399 you know morax used multiple weapons right? One of the weapons that zhongli used (sword) has this statement in its desc which says zhongli oneshotted a mountain with ez
When was it stated that Zhongli is the strongest archon in Genshin lore. You can have more kills, but where does those gods ranked. It's like saying Mikey is stronger than Yor Forger, because he won against 2000+ *super human lvl* humans. While Yor Forger is performing feats that are *town lvl* Same thing apply to Ei, she fought & killed gods that were gonna destroy the *islands* The gods that fought against Zhongli, doesn't have any feats that is relative to the gods that fought Ei.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 1.Zhongli is the oldest archon, being over 6000 years old. Even before becoming an archon, he was the Prime Adeptus and a God in his own right. 2. In the cutscene for Zhongli's 2nd story quest the storyteller tells us that Zhongli found Azhdaha and carved him a body. Yet Zhongli himself only says that Azhdaha was blind, and Zhongli gave him eyes to see the world. Knowing this storyteller's habit to vastly exaggerate (as shown in Noelle's hangout), and after reading through the lore about Azhdaha and the Sovereign Dragons, I've concluded that Azhdaha is in fact a very old Geo Dragon, and that he already possessed his gigantic body (i.e Zhongli merely gave him eyes). We also know that Zhongli met Azhdaha around the time of the Archon war, and that Azhdaha fought alongside him. Given that it took Zhongli in his prime along with three other Adepti AND Azhdaha's own benevolent consciousness to finally subdue and subsequently seal him, we can conclude that Azhdaha is as strong as, if not stronger, than Zhongli. Now to get to the main point of this discussion. Zhongli is regarded as the Strongest Archon due to lore which states that he has defeated and sealed countless gods in the lands of Liyue during the Archon War. However, if Azhdaha was fighting alongside him that is effectively doubling his own power. This would mean that while Zhongli, while still incredibly strong in his own right, does have a rock-solid (ha ha) foundation to the title of Strongest Archon The main reason why Some people r hell bent on believing Ei is stronger, because for the majority of Inazuma archon quest, she was our enemy. She wanted to kill us. While Zhongli is a friend, and is not even interested in fighting. Azdaha and Zhongli may be more or less equal. Also, Murata is the God of war so the plot will definitely make her the strongest fighter, or Tsaritsa the Strongest archon.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 lol no feats??? He fought osial and beisth like nothing thats adepti ain't Beat them same with yaksha He can Beat Azdaha without kill him thats even more Harder than kill him, Ei on archon war ain't anything even weaker than currently And you forgot thats Orobashi even Get command from celestial thats he need suicide his self because He know Secret of teyvat? And what orobashi do... Ei need her Friend to beat him thats time even orobashi Is suicide meanwhile Zhongli solos all of them because adepti and yaksha ain't anything to them God on liyue even more terrible than God on inazuma Like guizhong after her death or even the weakest one Harvia
Let me remind you that for ei to accend she needed her sister help and sacrifice and entire campaign with soldiera while zhongli was literally killing gods left and right and taking their followers so they can watch over liyeu
@@SlametKoplingGaming Yeah but the cryo archon is the strongest out of all of them, lord wise. If we were doing it scientifically, then I can ensure you that Nahida isn’t the weakest
@@jackmonster3887 those kind of argument is a logical fallacy. It's not something that comes from educated person. If you want to write an argument, you have to put the literal reference. Not "as long as there's no statement that deny that, it's must be true" logic. For example, if I use your logical fallacy, I would say: "Timmie can destroy the genshin universe with his thought cuz there's no statement that deny that." That's how your logic is.
Raiden sliced multiple islands with one attack and it was calculate to Large Island lvl. (Low ball) AP - *Large Island lvl* AP is equal to Durability. Zhongli pinned down gods with spears on Islands and he can summon Geo Meteoroid that can destroy islands. (Island lvl) low ball.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18so your saying a man with an atomic bomb has more durability than a literal city. That should be your logic since AP equals to durability
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 what is this bullshit bro "Raiden sliced multiple islands one attack and it was calculated to Large island lvl" -> first of all that feat was done with the "musou no hitotachi" her strongest attack and even then she cannot consistently do it as stated in her story quest "she must conserve energy" even then slicing island is not a feat for example - I can cut up a watermelon with around 20 joules of energy but to destroy that same watermelon requires a 130 joules of energy and even if she did cut up "large islands" which she didn't. It sill wouldn't matter as to be considered island level even u need to have consumed enough energy to destroy an island. What she did is slice it not destroy. Sliced doesn't equate to destroyed (as stated before (Split island feat was done with slicing a mid sized island and only a single one if u are referring to cutting up that mountain. That's just speculation not fact.)
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 Next Bullshit point u wrote "Ap = Durability" -> This is wrong. Physical Strength = Durability not Ap and also how would that make sense with raiden's own statement "Were I to get hit I would have not been able to see u all again " and it's stated by Raiden that the puppet is a perfect imitation of her.( So she has equal stats to Raiden ) then so she literally said she gets one shotted by herself. What? even then without that this feat is inconsistent as for example the 2020 "world's greatest samurai" had enough force to slash through 6 tatami matts (each of these mats have the same durablity as a human's arm) and that guy was like 50 to 60 ish years old. so according to u. he has enough force in one hit to break 6 peoples arms at once or what? (Alought I don't know for sure how much energy it takes to break a human arm. I am very sure that his "strength" and "durablity" according to your " Statement" should even outclass mike Tyson's recorded punch at 709 joules of energy. Wow 😲😲😲 very believable 💀💀💀
I'd say cap. Zhongli dominated the archon war. In his first story quest he mentioned that he killed and sealed multiple gods in guyun stone forest. Including osial. And if you listen to raiden voiceline. She mentioned that she only had one chance of meeting zhongli back when she was still a shadow warrior(body double for makoto). She was no where near as strong as zhongli back then. Aswell as venti voice line where he asked if zhongli is still strong. And said he might get blown away again. Throwing multiple gigantic geo spears the created an island and mountains, Drilling a hole in the land(chasm) during his fight with azhdaha. Raiden now is strong yes. Back then no. If they were to fight during the archon war at zhongli's peak. He will kill her and easily too. Edit: forgot to mention that he forge weapons (summit shaper and the unforge) one swing he manage to cut through mountain peaks. Read the weapons definition.
even now Zhongli still overpowered. I don't know how they can compared a character has been fully exploited with a hidden character who has many theory concerns to the truth of whole world history
Archon war happened in EACH region Zhongli, guizhong, marchosius, the adepti fought in liyue Ei and makoto fought in liyue Both are the winner of archon wars in their region But the thing is Makoto never once sharpened her sword, Ei is the one who dealt with warfare and slaughter (stated in char story) She slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story) She protected makoto from COUNTLESS CALAMITIES (stated in quest story) She possessed great strength in war, and THOSE DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia book). In other words, Ei killed ALL enemies in inazuma Is Ei right now getting stronger? Yes Cus of awakened musou isshin and the puppet body But, being stronger right now doesn't mean she's weak back then And there's no statement about who's stronger between Morax and Ei. Opinion isn't a fact
@@mukil2399 stated by azdaha during story quest that "Morax was the strongest of us all" (referring to archon and god's maybe I tried finding the Chinese version where it says "illuminated beasts" but nope the other guy was just spitting lies)
It’s true zhongli can’t get durability being having a shield that’s abilities and he’s dragon skin can easily be torn apart Ei can Stan in every attack she gets
Barbatos was able to change the landscape of Mondstadt only with the help of the Thousand Winds and with the Gnosis of Decembrin. He did not have OWN strength then, so he asked others for help.
If this was current, Ei would easily win. But back the during the Archon was, she wasn’t even an archon and she was pretty weak compared to Morax. But now if they went against each other, Ei would defeat Morax
In the description of oathsworn eye. It stated that orobashi feared both Ei and golden god. According to wiki, the golden god refers to morax. So orobashi feared both Ei and morax equally, orobashi didn't mention other gods like osial etc. It's stated Ei slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story) Possesses great strength in war, and those DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia books) She might be weaker during the archon war (although not confirmed) But saying she was "PRETTY WEAK compared to morax" doesn't seem to fit the lore, Moreover, there's no statement about that. But if you compare the Ei archon war with morax+gnosis, this might be a different stories. Cuz gnosis = divine ability to defend region (stated in zhongli char story about gnosis)
@@Urmom69423 if we talked about DURING the archon war, then there's no archon yet. Archon is a title of god who rule region AFTER winning the archon war. Both zhongli and Ei fought in archon war. Zhongli and the adepti fought in liyue Raiden twin fought in inazuma
@@nagisa3840 even if all player in the whole world think zhongli is stronger/strongest, it's still not a statement from the game. Opinion = not a fact Only statements from the game and hoyoverse r facts. There's no way opinions could beat the fact
@@mukil2399 stated in story quest by azdaha that "Morax was the strongest one of us all" (when I tried looking up for illuminated beasts in that statement Nuh uh couldn't find it so it's a maby)
Ngl, Zhongli's Stocks are kinda high right now since his memory seems to unaffected by irminsul. If he is a descender or one of the original dragons, then he could be stronger than we thought. Also nice edit.
For those who are saying Zhongli will easily win they forgot that Raiden recently fight her puppet who was strong as her for thousands or millions years (I don't remember how many years) and she became more powerful after mastering her combat abilities. So zhongli and Ei will definitely have tough war. Still can't decide who will be victorious
Você tem que levar em consideração que lutar contra si mesmo não prova nada,literalmente se eu vencer de mim mesmo então eu serei mais forte que meu eu do passado,e após isso não irei evoluir mais,ou seja ela vencer de si mesma não prova nada,por exemplo vamos usar o Zhongli de exemplo,se ele fosse a versão atual e lutasse contra o Morax(sua versão prime)e vencesse aí sim ele iria evoluir cada vez mais e seria mais forte que sua versão prime,mas a Raiden venceu de sua versão atual,ou seja ela é mais forte que sua versão da Guerra dos Arcontes,agora que vem a questão,se o Zhongli for confirmado realmente como o mais forte na Guerra dos Arcontes então eles terão que explicar o quanto seus poderes eram em comparação aos outros Arcontes,pois se ele for muito acima deles então independente do Zhongli não estar mais no auge ele ainda bate de frente com a Raiden que está no auge,essa é a questão,não dá pra dizer quem é mais forte sem a Mihoyo mostrar nada.
@@LuizFelipe508-ty2idfrom that fight, we know: Ei defense is as strong as her attack Ei could endure the fight forever Ei got power up (awakened musou isshin) Musou isshin power is beyond the limit of shogun's understanding. The shogun has the will that is stronger than any living being (including Ei and The traveler), she can't be eroded (stated in quest story) The body is also strong enough to resist erosion (which gods and dragon king can't), it could surpass the limits of Ei's lifespan and could defend inazuma forever. (Stated in char story) Right now (Ei) Raiden Shogun = Ei's consciousness + the shogun's consciousness & puppet body + awakened musou isshin Yes, Ei right now is stronger than back then. But she's not in her peak yet In the voice line, her technique could be perfected even further. (Although it's already stated as "unparalleled" and "unsurpassed")
I think stamina is on raiden ei since she fight a invincible robot 500 years straight and still manage to win every single clash. She is not even tire when the traveler came back to her
Zhongli would win, but only because Ei wasn't even an Archon back then nor a goddess. Her sister was and she wasn't good at fighting. If we talk about the current Raiden Ei, then some things change. She could win, but both are so strong, that the fight could go on for decades. Ei could easily dodge all of Zhongli's attacks with her speed and dealing swift slashes, but Zhongli could also parry and dodge all of her attacks with his unbreakable shield. It's important to see it from both sides. They are both impressively strong as playable characters too.
I think everyone is forgetting a fact, just because morax has killed gods doesn't mean he's stronger, it's like in intelligence, just because a person participates in more scientific projects doesn't mean he's smarter, some People are smarter but dont show it, so I don't think you should be based on what them did, but on what they CAN do
Lol thats not likely 500 years even thats ei Didn't notice how long They fought... Because that ei Tell to traveler Thats "After 500 years why you still same and alive?" Ei fought on her plane euthimiya and Thats have connection to teyvat world so Thats a mistake think she fought for 500 years... Even to many god Fought for thousand years on archon war
Bro learned all that from Google Impact.💀 Prime Zhongli SOLOS and its not even close, he solos every version. Demolishes U have some cap right there buddy👀😊
Bro played genshin on Roblox 💀. I don't care if Raiden beat the shit out of a chicken that can destroy an Island, Zhongli still clap Ei. My dude can kill a chicken easily with a few meteor and a big ass rock spear.
Zhongli meteor is in gameplay burst. In guyun, zhongli stone spears was for sealing, orobashi is still alive. (Those spears aren't meteors, didn't work like meteors) Yhe the whole guyun forest isn't bigger than yashiori island (which raiden split it)
@@mukil2399 ahh the simple old size geometry brain. Firstly there's no reason to make a stone spear big, not all god is a big ass snake lizard, secondly he defeated and sealed many god's. Knowing how old he is, he's also experience in battle way more then Raiden. Fyi, the adepti only help Zhongli because he can't defend the whole place by himself. If in Raiden case, it's a big ass snake. So as a thunder god with sword, what do u do? Of course u slice it whole. U ain't seeing my Raiden with high energy recharge throwing sword and said *"TORN TO OBLIVION"* . Slicing a big snake ain't hard considering how powerful the sword is. Zhongli use spear and he don't slice, he thrust 🤣. Take Osial as and example, it's one of the god that Zhongli sealed off. That 5 head snake can create a tsunami the size of a mountain if u read the dialogue when fighting it. U see, even that size of a snake can destroy an Inhabited island. Almost all(NOT All) of them can destroy an Island so don't just compare Big Snake to a Water Snake. Maybe now in the story Raiden is more powerful,but not against prime Zhongli.
@@zed3115 saying "there's no reason to make stone big" is just an excuse. It's just like saying there's no reason raiden slices the whole teyvat. Just an imagination. Zhongli fought many gods, yes. But did you read Ei's lore? She slayed gods and conquered other races. (Stated in char story) She possesses great strength in war and those DEITIES defeated were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomiya book) Slayed orobashi + akuou + split island + gave permanent balethunder in just ONE slash Killed thunderbird in one attack (in the trailer), thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire tsurumi civilization and put them into eternal loop curse, even its remnants of power could destroy/fragment seirai island She did all of that with her polearm (not musou isshin) Right now she's using the awakened full power musou isshin (the sword) The sword itself has the power that's beyond the limit of shogun's understanding (stated in quest) Don't forget her body right now is the puppet, very robust and strong enough to resist erosion (which gods and dragon kings can't), could surpass Eis lifespan and could defend inazuma forever (stated in char story) So yeah, Ei right now >>>> Ei archon war Baqiu (a monster, not god) also could make a tsunami that can wipe the liyue settlement Beisht also could make tsunami higher than guyun and higher than the jade chamber altitude, but got stopped by a single human (shenhe)
and for people who are saying she fought another puppet for 500 years its bc in the plane of euthymia she cannot erode as faster as in the real time of teyvat so she would obviously win bc of that
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-JediI would not go to folds level at least high diffs if not I’d say ei most comments supporting ei are using facts instead of the zhongli Stans who are overestimating his feats
@@SaulAguilar87258Archon war Ei doesn't beat Archon war morax she doesn't even the plane of eythumia at that time, she doesn't have the mosou isshin which is a huge amp and her only feat is killing orobashi and the thunderbird. She is at a massive disadventage and has nothing to counter morax's petrification. Morax low/mid diffs. Only Current Ei can beat him because she'd be hard to kill thanks to the plane of eythumia but archon war Ei gets her ass beat. Also you overestimate her Island slash, its nowhere near as impressive as you think it is. I did the math and got a value of 15 gigatons of TNT, while morax spears hit with the force of 502 Gigatons of TNT and he has many of those. Morax best attack Hits over 30 times as hard as Ei's best attack.
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-Jedi saying her only feats is killing orobashi and thunderbird isn't right tho. Did you know, She slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story) She possesses great strength in war and THOSE DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia book) She killed all of the enemies gods in inazuma. She protected makoto from COUNTLESS calamities (said by makoto herself in the quest story) And for math, there're too many variables that we don't know from the feats, If you have a science degree, you would know that doing math without the proper data isn't valid, unless you made up the number.
This might take a while, so please take your time reading this-😅 Strength: Zhongli >>> Ei Madame Ping says that Rex Lapis moved entire mountains and oceans as an exercise of his power. Speed: Zhongli > Ei Okay, no offense, and i’m not trying to sound biased, but Ei doesn’t seem to be very smart. She has been isolated in her Plane Of Euthymia for years, and she has no understanding of the world. Mihoyo pretty much made her like this, so she can be all “cute and Waifu”. Zhongli is the oldest living Archon, and has been titled the god if History because of it. Throughout his long life, he has amassed great knowledge of almost anything. It is thanks to his long life and his relationship with Guizhong that he is as smart as he is. And it is unknown if he had access or even made contact with Irminsul. Durability: Zhongli >>> Ei Zhongli is able to create incredibly durable Geo shields by using Geo energy. And according to the loading screen tip, Geo shields can absorb all elemental attacks. Rex Lapis’ arms are also completely made out of Geo. I heard somewhere that it’s made out of bedrock, but i’m not sure that’s true, so, we’ll just say it’s Geo. Battle IQ: Zhongli = Ei Okay, i had to give it a tie here because both were powerful warriors during the Archon War. Ei is a master of various weapons like the sword, the pole arm, etc. She even mastered the sword so well that she made her own sword technique, which turned out to be the most powerful sword art in all of Teyvat. She lead her armies to war, and she fought many gods, Youkai, and monster. Zhongli on the other hand, was also a powerhouse feared by gods. The lore sums him to be merciless, cold and powerful. He was well known, and feared by many not just in Liyue, but in all of Teyvat. The number of gods he killed and sealed is pretty much countless. Though these gods can vary in power, it’s worth mentioning that the Archon War was filled with gods like Osial (who can flood entire nations) as well as when Zhongli says that no matter how weak the god, the surge of energy released when they die is far too powerful for any mortal to handle. He lead his own armies through multiple wars, he fought, killed and sealed countless gods, monsters, and demons (Liyue was stated to be full of Demons. That’s why the Yakshas exist) Experience: Zhongli >>> Ei No need to explain🗿 Stamina: Ei >>> Zhongli Ei managed to fight her own Puppet in her own Plane for about 500 years. Though Ei says she could have lost many times, it’s still a worth stamina feat. Abilities: Zhongli >= Ei This was hard, but i think Zhongli has a slight edge. Now, both Archons are without a doubt masters if their own elements. Ei can use her Musou No Hitotachi to split entire islands in half, and even thousands of years go by, the Electro energy from the attack is still lingering there. She is also able to control the weather with her mind, and generate huge storms powerful enough to cut Inazuma off from Teyvat. Zhongli created enormous Geo spears that he rained down on many gods to seal them. Eventually, it becomes Guyun Stone Forest. However, Guyun Stone Forest is the result of those huge spears eroding. and now they are much smaller than they once were. However, they are still strong enough to keep Osial sealed. But keeping their elemental powers aside, Zhongli gets abilities. Ei created the Raiden Shogun Puppet and Scaramouche with a forgotten Technique that even she forgot. Zhongli however is the Prime Adeptus and is a master if any Adepti Arts. To keep it simple, he can make Divine Predictions to guide Liyue in the future, he can step into people's dreams and converse with them, he can create pocket realms with no effort (and even the Adepti say it's easy), he can use Adeptal energy to buff or heal others, he can create seals powerful enough to seal gods and maybe Azhdaha, etc Hax: Zhongli
You forgot two things : Cannonically the warrior God title goes to Zhong Li, and for a reason : he was an akin fighter that not only used but forged some of the most poerful weapons in Liyue, he was recorded to weild swords (Priomordial Jade cutter) Spears (Primordial jade winged spear) to use the bow (Read the stell in the chasm) and he also fought with his fists. As for Durability, I mean the man is 6000 years and unaffected by erosion the same way beings of Teyvat do. I don't mean to debate you, I just felt the need to remind you of these details.
for those who talk about gameplay lemme remind you that raiden is not the one you fight in the game its the puppet ei be just sitting and chilling in her dimention
Constantly relied on adepti bc no matter how strong he is he can't be at two places at the same time. Ei was relying on people in archon war as well and she wasn't even the archon. Makato was and makato was relying on ei as well. Plus. In archon war Morax was throwing around mountains and giant spears, sealing gods, creating islands, and even dragged the giant azhdaha on the floor with one hand. Ei at that time couldn't even save her sister. (That was too savage of me 💀) So conclusion Current Morax >> Archon War Ei Prime Morax >= Prime Ei (Also I'm not saying ei is weak or has bad feats, I'm saying archon war Morax is stronger And that ei wasn't alone either, in fact morax is actually smart to rely on the adepti, so is ei.)
@@bravo6going702 those arent even relevant to knowing about archon war zhongli or ei. even if they are then only ei's and zhongli's story quest and their archon quests are needed to have a say in this. and ive finished both
I don't really care Zhongli sealed so many gods and Ei can easily kill a god with a single strike so..... They both are mine father and mother in law :D.....
@@-Quoc-A-ei9wt she slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in her char story) She possesses great strength in war and those DEITIES defeated were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomiya book) She is the reason there's no gods remaining in inazuma. She killed orobashi (and akuou) + split island + gives permanent balethunder in ONE slash (only with her polearm) She killed thunderbird in one hit (in the trailer), Thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire civilization in tsurumi island and put them into eternal loop curse. Even just a fragment of thunderbird power could destroyed/fragmented the seirai island. Saying "Ei only killed ONE god" indicates that you didn't read the lore.
@@mukil2399Isso se torna tendencioso a partir do momento que você não sabe essas raças que ela dominou,afinal enquanto o Zhongli ia pra linha de frente da Guerra os amigos dele ficavam em Liyue a protegendo,já a Raiden era quem ficava em Inazuma a protegendo e as vezes ia pra Guerra junto de sua irmã e não sozinha,isso em si já diz muito kkkkkkkkkk.
@@LuizFelipe508-ty2id scared to reply my other comment, eh? Did you know about this info? Well I'm pretty sure you don't. Makoto wasn't a good fighter, NEVER ONCE sharpened her sword. (Stated in char story) Ei was the one who dealt with warfare and slaughter (stated in char story) Ei protected makoto from COUNTLESS CALAMITIES (stated in Ei quest story 2) Makoto becomes the archon cuz she's a good leader, while Ei only sees herself as a weapon. Makoto went to khaenriah alone (without Ei), cuz makoto said khaenriah is something that archons can't ignore (stated in Ei quest story 2) That's why, without Ei's protection, makoto died in khaenriah cataclysm
azdaha> any god ei killed and you are saying she is stronger than zhongli ? 💀 I don't know much about archon war but I preety much remember that zhongli was trying to protect the liyue.... meanwhile raiden didn't give a fu*k about her nation (splits whole Island)
the real Raiden shogun's can't kill abyss in one hit , so we can say that the character we got from Gatcha is just a sample of the power of Raiden shogun.... By looking at this we can also say that we got sample of Zhongli's power, which means a sample of Zhongli's power can take all attack from the real Raiden shogun... Imagine full power of Zhongli....
@@elite7948 no, she didn't. Firstly, traveler didn't do that alone. He got much stronger because of help of people's wishes. Secondly, Ei didn't even fight in full strength. She didn't transform to her god form. She didn't use muso no hitotachi. She wasn't even serious.
@@bobuhNão estava levando a sério?só foi parada por Kazuha quando literalmente iria matar o viajante e foi derrotada pelo Aether depois disso kkkkkkkk independente do meio que foi usado ela foi derrotada,Zhongli até agora não apanhou pra ninguém,não foi parado por ninguém,não teve dificuldades pra derrotar nem mesmo Azadaha na segunda missão lendária,você está forçando fanboy da Raiden.
Stamina is off. I think he must of forgot that she fought nonstop for hundreds of years without once taking a break. If that’s not stamina then I don’t know what is
the other thing in the archon war raiden was not in her prime so she is technically weaker 500 years later is when she entered her prime which is today
Those gods that Zhongli killed is featless. Meanwhile Raiden killed gods that were gonna destroy her island and it was also stated that she can evaluate the entire sea in Teyvet with her attacks
@@chiaki.hayakawa18that were goona Destroy the islands not that they destroyed the islands so that can't be counted as feat it was only stated they can destroy islands The gods zhongli defeated also can destroy islands but never destroyed that's why u r saying they are featless quite a based opinion of urs read lore about morax properly before stating these as facts
Its stated that morax is stronger than ei We know that archons are demons in reality and have their demon names(buer morax focalor) and celestia is the demons king also in the same mythologie it said that morax is the right hand of the demon king(celestia) and the second strongest one to celestia so naturally zhongli win
@@chiaki.hayakawa18gods zhongli killed isn't featless. They got killed before they made any feats. Simple explanation you raiden simp. Dont forget about osial capable of drowning all of liyue.
Everyone on tevyat claims during archon war Morax to be strongest and oldest god of all time ( wei also speculated hes a descender so if he actually is .. HE CAN CLAP ENTIRE TEVYAT AT ONCE )
To be honest they way current ei can just jump between her plane of euthymia physical attacks or any attacks are pointless unless you can enter her domain even then she can probably easily kick you out. So it's nearly impossible to fight her she can just pop out from anywhere and attacks and then retreat and keep doing it over and over . 😂😂
For one Morax is at the origin of subspace creation, and we had seen him teleport back and forth form the Chasm's Bed to save Xiao which is a plane of its own, the power of that man defies the laws of Teyvat to be honest, Also if Yae Miko could guide the traveler that is no god there, who tells you Zhong Li could not 🤷♂️ I am just speculating tho
At the time of the war, zhongli conquered the territories of other archons and annexed them to lue, so it is quite possible, I do not dispute that he would have lost a lot, but in the end he would have captured inazuma, he simply did not need it, he was destroying a potential threat to his people, while Baal was just protecting his people in inazuma
Everything that Ei did in the war of the Archons, and in general 500 years ago, she did without gnosis, that is, she killed Orobashi and cut up the island with him, killing many other creatures that we can see in the official animated video, with gnosis Ei became much stronger but the battle with Itera clearly did not take place at the peak of her powers
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Sadly I have to say cannonly Zhongli would absolutely slap raiden
Edit:Y’all need to chill in the replies
Your statement is completely baseless so you saying zhongli “cannonly” would slap raiden is irrelevant. Ei wins
@@AHugeBirdI'm sorry to tell you this but zhongli has basically been nominated as the strongest lore wise and people wise. He's 4000 years older then ei btw. Just don't let the ei simping blind you my man or woman.
@@AHugeBird in the games lore it says how at Zhongli’s prime he was one of the most powerful archons
@@TagSwine again with the baseless statements. I can count you countless feats for ei whereas zhongli has close to none. Unless ur gonna make an actual arguement ur point remains irrelevant
@@byleth1034 “In the games lore” it says nothing such as “zhongli is the strongest archon” 💀 y’all clearly know nothing about the games lore yet for some reason act like u do. Ei slams zhongli none of his feats comes close to hers
Zhongli wins easy
Current Raiden is her prime, in the Archons war she was weaker than the current one, not to mention that Zhongli killed and sealed more gods than her, so even in prime he would still win
no currently raiden's powers r diminishing it was said by herself s well as miko
we have no idea how strong they were during the archon war so its baseless assumptions
We don't know how powerful those gods, that Zhongli killed in the archon war.
Meanwhile Ei with defeated gods that were gonna destroy islands.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 beisht who had to be taken down by the adepti, beidou's crew, and Ning
Osial >>>>>> beisht
The same osial who got oneshotted by a gnosis less zhongli
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 stop lying to yourself you ei simp
archon war ei is at least small country lvl and archon war morax is only island - large island lvl
Ei only defeated threats to Inazuma after the archon war. Morax trapped countless amounts of gods under Guyun Stone Forest.
she also defeated many gods during archon war too dude
Morax only protected liyue while Ei seized the lands of inazuma
@@schardenz7495 lol That zhongli even Beat island Size god and he make it with his spear
Ei worked solo and has feats like raw strength which can split dimensions, god tier mental resistance, ability to make illusions . No hate but a big rock meteor ain't gonna be able to defend against Ei
@@kevinkarthik3329 lol thats not split dimension wtf it's basically like Dimension slash... and Zhongli have more bigger spear than meteorit+it's not even his ultimate move
Ilusion Is nothing Thats you can see different, nahida ilusion is more than ei ilusion (for sure she didn't even Use this Move on fight beside gameplay boses)
Ei protected her nation and Zhongli took other Nations and added them to liyue.
What nation did Zhongli take?
@@mukil2399 A village was one part of a God's nation... I don't know clearly tho.
You do know ei also expanded the lands of inazuma
@@SaulAguilar87258 before Makoto died
@@yyyumekolo yeah it was before makoto died when she expanded the lands of inazuma. After she died she protected inazuma and took over the role of the electro archon if you are saying that after makoto died ei protected inazuma you are right but didn’t zhongli also protect Liyue at the cataclysm
Archon war Morax was throwing around mountains, trapping gods, and dragged azhadaha on the floor with one hand. As well as created a whole island
Archon war ei couldn't even save her sister💀
There's no statement about zhongli dragged azhdaha with ONE hand.
I bet you didn't know about inazuma archon war.
Makoto wasn't a good fighter, never once sharpened her sword, a gentle god, protected by Ei from countless calamities.
The one who deal the warfare and slaughter was Ei. (Stated in raiden char story and story quest)
Makoto died in cataclysm (500 years ago), not archon war, she fought without Ei.
Ei slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story)
She possesses great strength in war and those deities defeated were all slain to the last (stated in sangonomiya book)
She slayed orobashi + akuou + split island + gives permanent balethunder in just ONE SLASH with her polearm
She killed thunderbird with one lightning attack, thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire tsurumi civilization and put them into eternal loop curse. Even thunderbird fragment destroyed seirai island.
Zhongli + guizhong+ the adepti couldn't protect guilli plain from being destroyed when archon war happened, they lost guizhong, and they had to move the people to liyue harbour
@@mukil2399 i think u dont know Orabashi wasn't even put up a fight. He was killed bcs of his sins for searching the forbidden knowledge. He SACRIFICED himself.. *celestial orders*
@@NonamE-ol8kx8fx3o although it's an suicide attack for orobashi, but he did well prepared
He trained his people and became mighty warriors, commandeered sea monsters and ships, mastering wave and cloud (stated in sangonomiya book) even one of them (akuou) was strong enough to kill general tengu sasayuri.
It's not he doesn't put a fight.
Its stated that he fear of Ei, he had no chance against her.
Even if he uses his full power, the result is still the same.
@@mukil2399 yes of course. But it's hard to say he feared Ei. He knew he would be killed under the Celestial orders. So he sacrificed
@@NonamE-ol8kx8fx3o all of gods that defeated in inazuma were slain by Ei (stated in sangonomiya book)
Orobashi fled from archon war, he can't beat Ei (stated in oathsworn eye)
Ei doesn't know about the celestial order, orobashi waged war against her -> she killed orobashi, as simple as that
Saying "it's just a suicide" or "it's cuz celestial order" doesn't affect the feat.
in the lore venti was even terrified of zhongli even in game character voice lines are about zhongli lol
liyue is clean. While inazuma has a lot of problems bcs of those gods that ei killed.
Zhongli still the best archon. He truly care abt his people
Waiting for "wake up to reality"
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣 yeah alot of points got messed up. Bro even Morax without his hax in prime will beat ei even though it will be high to extreme diff.
Hands down to the most iconic and powerful character in genshin Zhongli sama.
Zhongli>>>>
Mad🤣🤣🤣zhongli solos you zhongli flops d riders
@@He_yzekb67 how's that make sense
@@He_yzekb67 oh god…. Raiden shogun fans…….gonna….vomit 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
Simp?
@@Sarvfnfedits and proud
Bro simped so hard that he got drugged 😂😂
No, it's just zhongli fanboys who didn't read lore are getting mad because of the truth
@@bobuhactually u are the one who really didn't read the lore 😅
@@1-Dream-1 no, go and read lore
@@bobuh already, instead of you telling me to read again maybe you should read the lore first.
@@bobuhmorax defeat countless gods + it's raiden ofc you'll simp for her, grow tf up
“Father, It’s me, Michael” in the background 💀💀
My guy Zhongli was raining spears the size of Eiffel tower from the sky and fucking meteors, he was trapping gods and shit while he was at his prime 💀
Bro theres no use of arguing with these what do you call them ? Ah , Simps.
@@scoobydoo1518on god by guy 💀
I'm still Hella disappointed Durability was given to Ei
Do you have any idea how those Eiffel size spears hit someone whose move as fast as lightning?
Also what are zhongli feats about durability? Is it because "geo"?
@@mukil2399 What are you trying to say, I'm quite confused
@@LuciferW1727 1. Does having the ability to make Eiffel size spears mean it can hit the opponent that moves as fast as lightning?
2. You said you were disappointed that durability was given to Ei? Do you have the references to support your argument?
I don't think those questions r difficult
Zhongli claps both ways 🤣🤣🤣
U kidding yourself
More like Zhongli gets clapped
@@catmixo Ah another Ei simp
@@bravo6going702 Ah, another zhongli simps.
Both holes*
Feats goes to Zhongli, he had the most god kills FIGHTING ALONE, canonically doing this by DROPPING MOUNTAIN SIZED STONE SPEARS ON GODS, and Ei has not alone, didn’t have the most kills, but PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE OLDEST AND STRONGEST ARCHON
It is the opposite actually.
Zhongli fought alongside some gods (guizhong, marchosius) and the adepti in the archon war. Later he has a dragon king as an ally.
Rex lapis never fight alone (stated in beidou char story)
He's stated to be the oldest archon, not the strongest
@@mukil2399Нет , Моракс очень часто сражался один. И если ты не знал , Эи ВСЕГДА сражалась с гигантской армией и несколькими генералами , которые по силе равны адептам)
@@mukil2399 Beidou's statement is clearly not true zhongli was the one who killed the most gods in the archon war the other gods like guizhong were busy protecting the nation yakshas were called upon because zhongli killed so many gods the karmic debt was released in so much quantity they wrecked chaos all over liyue and yakashas were eliminating them and even with the all the yakashas in action most of them went insane due to the karmic debt collected while fighting the evil(God's karmic debt)
@@passangtamang-kx7jy I'll bring you some statements
"Thousands of years ago, the ADEPTI and I fought against the turmoil that plagued every corner of this land."
(Stated by zhongli in his story quest)
"We adepti have not faced a god in several millenia."
(Stated by cloud retainer in liyue archon quest)
Bring the statement from the game that beidou statement isn't true
No doubt Morax at his prime is much more powerful than Baal in her prime.
The main reason people assume the latter that she's more powerful is due to something called a bias. You see people often see antagonists as more powerful than your allies, it makes them seem more like a hurdle the protagonist needs to defeat. As such, your allies are not portrayed as very powerful. I doubt the harbingers are actually god level strong. The simple logic of "why should they obey a god if they are stronger than gods". The same goes to Ei. Although her feats are amazing, she doesn't compare to Morax who has sealed numerous gods and defeated nature defying gods with and without the help of the Adepti. Then there's the Adepti who follow him loyalty. You can't take them out of the picture since they are basically part of his whole package. He has demi gods as allies that fight alongside him and has their unwavering loyalty, without any other drawbacks forcing them to do so other than protect Liyue and probably a few contracts. That in itself is a feat only one other has achieved, the Tsaritsa and her Harbingers.
Ei has similair or even better feats then morax. Zhongli defeated gods left and right ( with a full team of adeptus and azhdaha) and raiden protected makoto from countless calamaties. Defeating gods left and right = defeating countless calamaties and ei did it mostly by herself which is even a greater feat.
Also zhongli making a island out of his spears which he sealed gods with and ei splitting an island in 2 with her 1 slash which was only colletaral damage. You can't just say zhongli was without a doubt stronger when mihoyo never stated zhongli was stronger. They purposely left this open so there would be no comparison.
Didn't you struggle to write this bullshit?😅
You are just getting mad because of the truth.
I swear zhongli fanboys are something else💀
@@pathogermic3662 so that's make raiden in no 1 character in genshin
Genshin fans making stuff up like always lmao. Zhongli is featless even in his “prime” ei speedblitzea and oneshots
@@AHugeBird you told morax is featless ???and ei have feats still lost against traveller's and can't defeat her own puppet 500 years
Who told morax is featless
ei's feats
- defeated orobashi who is strong enough to lift an island, also she did in base/ weakest form btw she didn't have any unique sword styles like hitotachi nor ishhin,
- accidentally sliced an island in the process, the attack went so far it damaged a bit narukami shrine ( not sure )
- oneshotted thunderbird (overkill again 💀), the same bird that cursed and was capable to destroy an island
- fought an exact copy of her self for 500 years
- mastered sword skills powerful enough to cut through space
zhongli's feats
- perfected elemental mastery to the point he can create living beings like geo whales and geo birds
- defeated the lord of vishaps, the lord of vishaps themselves, the same vishaps that went on war with the most powerful being in existence during ancient times
- defeated chi
- oneshotted osial, who's much stronger than beisht,the same beisht who well had to be defeated by the traveler, beidou's crew, Ning and a few adepti
- has an arsenal of total 2 - 3 weapons
- narratively has the highest kill count during the archon war
- casually erases mountains from existence
- defeated baqiu, another sea monster, he send geo whales to defeat this nickaroma
- is 6000 years old
outcome
(AW) zhongli >>>>> ei
(cataclysm/prime) zhongli >= ei
(currently) ei >>>> zhongli
I agree. During the Archon war nothing could have stopped Zhongli.
@@ravishukla7493 no not spefically for that reason but ei during the archon war was at her weakest form
Adding info:
Right now Ei uses the shogun body and awakened musou isshin (makoto's sword)
The shogun body is strong enough to resist erosion which Gods and dragon kings can't.
The shogun is stated could surpass Eis lifespan and could defend inazuma forever. Its prototype version (scara) is stated to be inexhaustible (stated in char story)
The awakened musou isshin itself has the power that is beyond the limit of shogun's understanding (stated in the quest)
So we don't know how powerful the slash right now
As for zhongli feats,
I don't find any statement about "highest kill count" and "casually erase mountains from existance", could you tell me where the statement is?
Also I don't think he one shot osial, cuz there's no detail about how they fight, but the results is osial sealed with stone spears. Zhongli said both he and osial had an ancient grudge (stated in story quest), they're kind of rival
As for baqiu, morax geo whale couldn't beat it, so morax made the geo kit to bring baqiu into the depth of the sea. (stated in pjws)
@@mukil2399 you know morax used multiple weapons right?
One of the weapons that zhongli used (sword) has this statement in its desc which says zhongli oneshotted a mountain with ez
Zhongli Wins Easily
Original MVP of Archon War
Most Kill
Stated To Be The Strongest God
Petrification
Better Manipulation Hax
When was it stated that Zhongli is the strongest archon in Genshin lore.
You can have more kills, but where does those gods ranked.
It's like saying Mikey is stronger than Yor Forger, because he won against 2000+ *super human lvl* humans.
While Yor Forger is performing feats that are *town lvl*
Same thing apply to Ei, she fought & killed gods that were gonna destroy the *islands*
The gods that fought against Zhongli, doesn't have any feats that is relative to the gods that fought Ei.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 1.Zhongli is the oldest archon, being over 6000 years old. Even before becoming an archon, he was the Prime
Adeptus and a God in his own right. 2. In the cutscene for Zhongli's 2nd story quest the storyteller tells us that Zhongli found Azhdaha and carved him a body. Yet Zhongli himself only says that
Azhdaha was blind, and Zhongli gave him eyes to see the world.
Knowing this storyteller's habit to vastly exaggerate (as shown in Noelle's hangout), and after reading through the lore about Azhdaha and the Sovereign Dragons, I've concluded that Azhdaha is in fact a very old Geo Dragon, and that he already possessed his gigantic body (i.e
Zhongli merely gave him eyes).
We also know that Zhongli met Azhdaha around the time of the Archon war, and that Azhdaha fought alongside him. Given that it took Zhongli in his prime along with three other Adepti AND Azhdaha's own benevolent consciousness to finally subdue and subsequently seal him, we can conclude that Azhdaha is as strong as, if not stronger, than Zhongli.
Now to get to the main point of this discussion. Zhongli is regarded as the Strongest Archon due to lore which states that he has defeated and sealed countless gods in the lands of Liyue during the Archon War. However, if
Azhdaha was fighting alongside him that is effectively doubling his own power. This would mean that while
Zhongli, while still incredibly strong in his own right, does have a rock-solid (ha ha) foundation to the title of
Strongest Archon
The main reason why Some people r hell bent on believing Ei is stronger, because for the majority of
Inazuma archon quest, she was our enemy. She wanted to kill us. While Zhongli is a friend, and is not even interested in fighting. Azdaha and Zhongli may be more or less equal. Also, Murata is the God of war so the plot will definitely make her the strongest fighter, or Tsaritsa the Strongest archon.
@@mobile-kun7468 where is the proof exactly lmao?
@@creation5389 i merely gave some feats which states his powers
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 lol no feats??? He fought osial and beisth like nothing thats adepti ain't Beat them same with yaksha
He can Beat Azdaha without kill him thats even more Harder than kill him, Ei on archon war ain't anything even weaker than currently
And you forgot thats Orobashi even Get command from celestial thats he need suicide his self because He know Secret of teyvat?
And what orobashi do... Ei need her Friend to beat him thats time even orobashi Is suicide meanwhile Zhongli solos all of them because adepti and yaksha ain't anything to them
God on liyue even more terrible than God on inazuma Like guizhong after her death or even the weakest one Harvia
Bro really giving durability to Raiden like he doesn't know zhongli can use the ground around it as a shield
Bro its like comparing a grandfather's life experience with his granddaughter ... WORLDS APART 😂
Let me remind you that for ei to accend she needed her sister help and sacrifice and entire campaign with soldiera while zhongli was literally killing gods left and right and taking their followers so they can watch over liyeu
I doubt prime Morax would lose to that crybaby. Zhongli would no doubt wipe the floor with Raiden.
how is she a crybaby exactly..?
HAHAHA Funny, it seems to forget that Zhongli was originally a Chinese character and the game studio was Hoyoverse.
"Father It's me Michael"
-Michael Afton
I always come back
-William Afton
You’ll never get tired of my voice will you?
- Toy chica
Lets get real, There’s no Archon vs Archon only Archon Fanboy/fangirl vs Archon fanboy/fangirl
zhongli slams every archon bruh this editor is on drugs
Nah he did great I think your on drugs
Faxx
Well not the cryo archon, the cryo archon is the strongest archon out of them all
@@GenshinMcdonaldswell, nahida can erase their mind&memory
@@SlametKoplingGaming Yeah but the cryo archon is the strongest out of all of them, lord wise. If we were doing it scientifically, then I can ensure you that Nahida isn’t the weakest
Don't forget about Zhongli Shield 😂
Zhongli's feats were to control a thousand spears the size of mountains and they tell me that raiden wins
Where did you read the "thousand spears"?
@@mukil2399 where did you read" not thousands of spears"?
@@jackmonster3887 those kind of argument is a logical fallacy. It's not something that comes from educated person.
If you want to write an argument, you have to put the literal reference.
Not "as long as there's no statement that deny that, it's must be true" logic.
For example, if I use your logical fallacy, I would say:
"Timmie can destroy the genshin universe with his thought cuz there's no statement that deny that."
That's how your logic is.
Nah dawg Prime Zhongli > Any Archon,
Nope
Did you just gave ..... DURABILITY ...to Ei. Nah man thats delusional
Raiden sliced multiple islands with one attack and it was calculate to Large Island lvl. (Low ball)
AP - *Large Island lvl*
AP is equal to Durability.
Zhongli pinned down gods with spears on Islands and he can summon Geo Meteoroid that can destroy islands. (Island lvl) low ball.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18Hahahahaha Raiden fanboy.
@@chiaki.hayakawa18so your saying a man with an atomic bomb has more durability than a literal city.
That should be your logic since AP equals to durability
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 what is this bullshit bro
"Raiden sliced multiple islands one attack and it was calculated to Large island lvl"
-> first of all that feat was done with the "musou no hitotachi" her strongest attack and even then she cannot consistently do it as stated in her story quest "she must conserve energy" even then slicing island is not a feat for example - I can cut up a watermelon with around 20 joules of energy but to destroy that same watermelon requires a 130 joules of energy and even if she did cut up "large islands" which she didn't. It sill wouldn't matter as to be considered island level even u need to have consumed enough energy to destroy an island. What she did is slice it not destroy. Sliced doesn't equate to destroyed (as stated before
(Split island feat was done with slicing a mid sized island and only a single one if u are referring to cutting up that mountain. That's just speculation not fact.)
@@chiaki.hayakawa18 Next Bullshit point u wrote
"Ap = Durability"
-> This is wrong. Physical Strength = Durability not Ap and also how would that make sense with raiden's own statement "Were I to get hit I would have not been able to see u all again " and it's stated by Raiden that the puppet is a perfect imitation of her.( So she has equal stats to Raiden ) then so she literally said she gets one shotted by herself. What? even then without that this feat is inconsistent as for example the 2020 "world's greatest samurai" had enough force to slash through 6 tatami matts (each of these mats have the same durablity as a human's arm) and that guy was like 50 to 60 ish years old. so according to u. he has enough force in one hit to break 6 peoples arms at once or what? (Alought I don't know for sure how much energy it takes to break a human arm. I am very sure that his "strength" and "durablity" according to your " Statement" should even outclass mike Tyson's recorded punch at 709 joules of energy. Wow 😲😲😲 very believable 💀💀💀
I'd say cap. Zhongli dominated the archon war. In his first story quest he mentioned that he killed and sealed multiple gods in guyun stone forest. Including osial. And if you listen to raiden voiceline. She mentioned that she only had one chance of meeting zhongli back when she was still a shadow warrior(body double for makoto). She was no where near as strong as zhongli back then. Aswell as venti voice line where he asked if zhongli is still strong. And said he might get blown away again.
Throwing multiple gigantic geo spears the created an island and mountains, Drilling a hole in the land(chasm) during his fight with azhdaha.
Raiden now is strong yes. Back then no. If they were to fight during the archon war at zhongli's peak. He will kill her and easily too.
Edit: forgot to mention that he forge weapons (summit shaper and the unforge) one swing he manage to cut through mountain peaks. Read the weapons definition.
even now Zhongli still overpowered. I don't know how they can compared a character has been fully exploited with a hidden character who has many theory concerns to the truth of whole world history
Archon war happened in EACH region
Zhongli, guizhong, marchosius, the adepti fought in liyue
Ei and makoto fought in liyue
Both are the winner of archon wars in their region
But the thing is
Makoto never once sharpened her sword, Ei is the one who dealt with warfare and slaughter (stated in char story)
She slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story)
She protected makoto from COUNTLESS CALAMITIES (stated in quest story)
She possessed great strength in war, and THOSE DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia book). In other words, Ei killed ALL enemies in inazuma
Is Ei right now getting stronger? Yes
Cus of awakened musou isshin and the puppet body
But, being stronger right now doesn't mean she's weak back then
And there's no statement about who's stronger between Morax and Ei.
Opinion isn't a fact
@@mukil2399 stated by azdaha during story quest that "Morax was the strongest of us all" (referring to archon and god's maybe I tried finding the Chinese version where it says "illuminated beasts" but nope the other guy was just spitting lies)
@@steve-simp-san so it's "maybe", eh
@@mukil2399 yep the other guy was lying most likely as when I search for illuminated beasts nope it isn't there.
Sorry but zhongli slams
Zhongli AP feats are barely island level
Ei AP feats are multi Island
@@hdn5818 we’re talking about archon war time, Zhongli was in his prime during that time. Ei, was not. Her prime is currently now.
@@AURI3N Even in archon war prime morax his AP feats barely island level
@@hdn5818no, his feats are atleast low continental lvl, because he can easily spam mountain sized spears from the sky.
@@ravikeerthi5272 who said that?
You are saying this based on fan made animation 💀
You gave raiden durability.......
It’s true zhongli can’t get durability being having a shield that’s abilities and he’s dragon skin can easily be torn apart Ei can Stan in every attack she gets
@@Scarlet1416 Dumb lmao
Ei is a glass canon, provide evidence for her tanking attacks.
Everyone forgot how venti made an island from a mountain
Barbatos was able to change the landscape of Mondstadt only with the help of the Thousand Winds and with the Gnosis of Decembrin. He did not have OWN strength then, so he asked others for help.
Did you just give combat to Raiden when she's up against Morax ???
The stoned face Morax ???
even ei said her herself his journey is far from over
tell me you simp for raiden without telling me you simp for raiden, this guy will go first
Facts, the damn game said Zhongli is the strongest and oldest Archon out of the 7🤣
@@cpu701 Ur pulling this out of ur head, he is the oldest not the strongest
If this was current, Ei would easily win. But back the during the Archon was, she wasn’t even an archon and she was pretty weak compared to Morax. But now if they went against each other, Ei would defeat Morax
In the description of oathsworn eye.
It stated that orobashi feared both Ei and golden god. According to wiki, the golden god refers to morax.
So orobashi feared both Ei and morax equally, orobashi didn't mention other gods like osial etc.
It's stated Ei slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story)
Possesses great strength in war, and those DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia books)
She might be weaker during the archon war (although not confirmed)
But saying she was "PRETTY WEAK compared to morax" doesn't seem to fit the lore,
Moreover, there's no statement about that.
But if you compare the Ei archon war with morax+gnosis, this might be a different stories.
Cuz gnosis = divine ability to defend region
(stated in zhongli char story about gnosis)
@@mukil2399 Be honest. Did you actually understand my comment?
@@mukil2399 yes, because, she wasn't even an archon back then, and she didn't have much experience and battle iq
@@Urmom69423 if we talked about DURING the archon war, then there's no archon yet.
Archon is a title of god who rule region AFTER winning the archon war.
Both zhongli and Ei fought in archon war.
Zhongli and the adepti fought in liyue
Raiden twin fought in inazuma
@@mukil2399
We dont know if he’s the golden god.
And btw, that was coralless orobaxi.
zhongli even dragged azhdaha down with 1 hand imao and EI failed to save her sister
I don't know why zhongli fans have the same imagination, but u should put the reference form the game at least
@@mukil2399they're more people saying zhongli is stronger just give up bro
@@nagisa3840 even if all player in the whole world think zhongli is stronger/strongest, it's still not a statement from the game.
Opinion = not a fact
Only statements from the game and hoyoverse r facts.
There's no way opinions could beat the fact
i am talking about prime zhongli idiot@@mukil2399
@@mukil2399 stated in story quest by azdaha that "Morax was the strongest one of us all" (when I tried looking up for illuminated beasts in that statement Nuh uh couldn't find it so it's a maby)
Zhongli is strongest
Ngl, Zhongli's Stocks are kinda high right now since his memory seems to unaffected by irminsul. If he is a descender or one of the original dragons, then he could be stronger than we thought. Also nice edit.
Dragon=vishap
Zhongli isn't a vishap
It's azhdaha who is a vishap/dragon
@@mukil2399is dvalin a vishap....was durin a vishap.....was chi a vishap
@@ziebus904 dvalin is a vishap (confirmed by enjou)
Durin was an artificial dragon (created by gold)
Chi was a serpent god
Vishaps isn't gods
@@mukil2399 arent not isnt you talking about multiplie things...💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀you fqed up this and you want me to belive what you writing?
@@ziebus904 it's ok if u don't believe me,
u can check it in the game tho, also all official content from hoyoverse.
Good luck
lets not forget zhongli killed more gods than raiden and zhongli didnt have a gnosis at that time lol zhongli got his vision before his gnosis
What is the proof zhongli killed more gods than Ei?
What do you mean by zhongli got his vision? He's a god
Why the Fnaf Music coming here when we was about to debate William Afton vs Michael Afton🧐🤔
Lore Wise Zhongli slaps no matter what *in archon war
Venti
He knows
He knows
I’m with the theory,venti is the strongest archon
@@lynelyisugly Possibly but based on what we have now I think Zhongli could possibly still win. Dorman port is coming soon so that might change
Music title : dream space-dvrst (slowed + reverb)
I’m mean we all know that Zhongli is superior to ei
Right
For those who are saying Zhongli will easily win they forgot that Raiden recently fight her puppet who was strong as her for thousands or millions years (I don't remember how many years) and she became more powerful after mastering her combat abilities. So zhongli and Ei will definitely have tough war. Still can't decide who will be victorious
Você tem que levar em consideração que lutar contra si mesmo não prova nada,literalmente se eu vencer de mim mesmo então eu serei mais forte que meu eu do passado,e após isso não irei evoluir mais,ou seja ela vencer de si mesma não prova nada,por exemplo vamos usar o Zhongli de exemplo,se ele fosse a versão atual e lutasse contra o Morax(sua versão prime)e vencesse aí sim ele iria evoluir cada vez mais e seria mais forte que sua versão prime,mas a Raiden venceu de sua versão atual,ou seja ela é mais forte que sua versão da Guerra dos Arcontes,agora que vem a questão,se o Zhongli for confirmado realmente como o mais forte na Guerra dos Arcontes então eles terão que explicar o quanto seus poderes eram em comparação aos outros Arcontes,pois se ele for muito acima deles então independente do Zhongli não estar mais no auge ele ainda bate de frente com a Raiden que está no auge,essa é a questão,não dá pra dizer quem é mais forte sem a Mihoyo mostrar nada.
@@LuizFelipe508-ty2idfrom that fight, we know:
Ei defense is as strong as her attack
Ei could endure the fight forever
Ei got power up (awakened musou isshin)
Musou isshin power is beyond the limit of shogun's understanding.
The shogun has the will that is stronger than any living being (including Ei and The traveler), she can't be eroded
(stated in quest story)
The body is also strong enough to resist erosion (which gods and dragon king can't), it could surpass the limits of Ei's lifespan and could defend inazuma forever.
(Stated in char story)
Right now
(Ei) Raiden Shogun = Ei's consciousness + the shogun's consciousness & puppet body + awakened musou isshin
Yes, Ei right now is stronger than back then.
But she's not in her peak yet
In the voice line, her technique could be perfected even further.
(Although it's already stated as "unparalleled" and "unsurpassed")
I think stamina is on raiden ei since she fight a invincible robot 500 years straight and still manage to win every single clash. She is not even tire when the traveler came back to her
Rex lapis vs ei 😂
Azhdaha beat ei 😂
Where are the feats
Zhongli would win, but only because Ei wasn't even an Archon back then nor a goddess. Her sister was and she wasn't good at fighting. If we talk about the current Raiden Ei, then some things change. She could win, but both are so strong, that the fight could go on for decades. Ei could easily dodge all of Zhongli's attacks with her speed and dealing swift slashes, but Zhongli could also parry and dodge all of her attacks with his unbreakable shield. It's important to see it from both sides. They are both impressively strong as playable characters too.
Ei is a goddess back then.
Archon war: grandpa slams Ei
Current: Ei breaks grandpa's neck
I think everyone is forgetting a fact, just because morax has killed gods doesn't mean he's stronger, it's like in intelligence, just because a person participates in more scientific projects doesn't mean he's smarter, some People are smarter but dont show it, so I don't think you should be based on what them did, but on what they CAN do
Stamina zhongli?
When ei fought over 500+ yrs non stop 💀
And also why would you give range to zhongmid when ei can thunderstorm around whole teyvat
This is the most amazing feat in the whole genshin
Ei fighting for 500+ years feat, was after the Archon War.
Lol thats not likely 500 years even thats ei Didn't notice how long They fought...
Because that ei Tell to traveler Thats "After 500 years why you still same and alive?" Ei fought on her plane euthimiya and Thats have connection to teyvat world so Thats a mistake think she fought for 500 years...
Even to many god Fought for thousand years on archon war
See it matters probably the space-time continuum would've been different too
W
Ei is better in every way than Old dementia man who's withering away to erosion
Prime morax would slap what kinda crack are you on 💀?
Bro learned all that from Google Impact.💀
Prime Zhongli SOLOS and its not even close, he solos every version.
Demolishes
U have some cap right there buddy👀😊
Bro played genshin on Roblox 💀. I don't care if Raiden beat the shit out of a chicken that can destroy an Island, Zhongli still clap Ei. My dude can kill a chicken easily with a few meteor and a big ass rock spear.
Zhongli meteor is in gameplay burst.
In guyun, zhongli stone spears was for sealing, orobashi is still alive. (Those spears aren't meteors, didn't work like meteors)
Yhe the whole guyun forest isn't bigger than yashiori island (which raiden split it)
@@mukil2399 ahh the simple old size geometry brain. Firstly there's no reason to make a stone spear big, not all god is a big ass snake lizard, secondly he defeated and sealed many god's. Knowing how old he is, he's also experience in battle way more then Raiden. Fyi, the adepti only help Zhongli because he can't defend the whole place by himself. If in Raiden case, it's a big ass snake. So as a thunder god with sword, what do u do? Of course u slice it whole. U ain't seeing my Raiden with high energy recharge throwing sword and said *"TORN TO OBLIVION"* . Slicing a big snake ain't hard considering how powerful the sword is. Zhongli use spear and he don't slice, he thrust 🤣. Take Osial as and example, it's one of the god that Zhongli sealed off. That 5 head snake can create a tsunami the size of a mountain if u read the dialogue when fighting it. U see, even that size of a snake can destroy an Inhabited island. Almost all(NOT All) of them can destroy an Island so don't just compare Big Snake to a Water Snake. Maybe now in the story Raiden is more powerful,but not against prime Zhongli.
@@zed3115 saying "there's no reason to make stone big" is just an excuse.
It's just like saying there's no reason raiden slices the whole teyvat. Just an imagination.
Zhongli fought many gods, yes. But did you read Ei's lore?
She slayed gods and conquered other races. (Stated in char story)
She possesses great strength in war and those DEITIES defeated were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomiya book)
Slayed orobashi + akuou + split island + gave permanent balethunder in just ONE slash
Killed thunderbird in one attack (in the trailer), thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire tsurumi civilization and put them into eternal loop curse, even its remnants of power could destroy/fragment seirai island
She did all of that with her polearm (not musou isshin)
Right now she's using the awakened full power musou isshin (the sword)
The sword itself has the power that's beyond the limit of shogun's understanding (stated in quest)
Don't forget her body right now is the puppet, very robust and strong enough to resist erosion (which gods and dragon kings can't), could surpass Eis lifespan and could defend inazuma forever (stated in char story)
So yeah, Ei right now >>>> Ei archon war
Baqiu (a monster, not god) also could make a tsunami that can wipe the liyue settlement
Beisht also could make tsunami higher than guyun and higher than the jade chamber altitude, but got stopped by a single human (shenhe)
@@mukil2399 Ei is fodder goku slaps her onetaps neg diffs
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-Jedisince when was goku here 🤨
and for people who are saying she fought another puppet for 500 years its bc in the plane of euthymia she cannot erode as faster as in the real time of teyvat so she would obviously win bc of that
Ei stronger then Zhongli? you missed a bit of history😂
he is hangover wkwkw
@@koyatstatm
Quello ché basta e avanza per vincere lo scontro😂
Ei will join Orobashi wherever she sent him 😂😂😂
If he had fight ei he would've been chilling with the osial
@@tesla3188 Osial isen't dead + Archon war Morax Folds AW Ei
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-JediI would not go to folds level at least high diffs if not I’d say ei most comments supporting ei are using facts instead of the zhongli Stans who are overestimating his feats
@@SaulAguilar87258Archon war Ei doesn't beat Archon war morax she doesn't even the plane of eythumia at that time, she doesn't have the mosou isshin which is a huge amp and her only feat is killing orobashi and the thunderbird.
She is at a massive disadventage and has nothing to counter morax's petrification.
Morax low/mid diffs.
Only Current Ei can beat him because she'd be hard to kill thanks to the plane of eythumia but archon war Ei gets her ass beat.
Also you overestimate her Island slash, its nowhere near as impressive as you think it is.
I did the math and got a value of 15 gigatons of TNT, while morax spears hit with the force of 502 Gigatons of TNT and he has many of those.
Morax best attack Hits over 30 times as hard as Ei's best attack.
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-Jedi saying her only feats is killing orobashi and thunderbird isn't right tho.
Did you know,
She slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in char story)
She possesses great strength in war and THOSE DEITIES defeated thus were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomia book)
She killed all of the enemies gods in inazuma.
She protected makoto from COUNTLESS calamities (said by makoto herself in the quest story)
And for math, there're too many variables that we don't know from the feats,
If you have a science degree, you would know that doing math without the proper data isn't valid, unless you made up the number.
Wasn’t it blatantly stated that Morax was the strongest of the 7?
I'm sorry, it wasn't
There's only a statement about morax being the oldest archon
Ei has booba sword . Do u need more arguments?
Zhongli>>>, cuz i like him more😤
Simper you simper to hard for him but sorry he likes someone else thats hos lover
@@Raidenayami3210You should be the last person to comment about simping with that profile picture and your 5 y/o grammar💀😭
This might take a while, so please take your time reading this-😅
Strength: Zhongli >>> Ei
Madame Ping says that Rex Lapis moved entire mountains and oceans as an exercise of his power.
Speed: Zhongli > Ei
Okay, no offense, and i’m not trying to sound biased, but Ei doesn’t seem to be very smart. She has been isolated in her Plane Of Euthymia for years, and she has no understanding of the world. Mihoyo pretty much made her like this, so she can be all “cute and Waifu”.
Zhongli is the oldest living Archon, and has been titled the god if History because of it. Throughout his long life, he has amassed great knowledge of almost anything. It is thanks to his long life and his relationship with Guizhong that he is as smart as he is. And it is unknown if he had access or even made contact with Irminsul.
Durability: Zhongli >>> Ei
Zhongli is able to create incredibly durable Geo shields by using Geo energy. And according to the loading screen tip, Geo shields can absorb all elemental attacks. Rex Lapis’ arms are also completely made out of Geo. I heard somewhere that it’s made out of bedrock, but i’m not sure that’s true, so, we’ll just say it’s Geo.
Battle IQ: Zhongli = Ei
Okay, i had to give it a tie here because both were powerful warriors during the Archon War.
Ei is a master of various weapons like the sword, the pole arm, etc. She even mastered the sword so well that she made her own sword technique, which turned out to be the most powerful sword art in all of Teyvat. She lead her armies to war, and she fought many gods, Youkai, and monster.
Zhongli on the other hand, was also a powerhouse feared by gods. The lore sums him to be merciless, cold and powerful. He was well known, and feared by many not just in Liyue, but in all of Teyvat. The number of gods he killed and sealed is pretty much countless. Though these gods can vary in power, it’s worth mentioning that the Archon War was filled with gods like Osial (who can flood entire nations) as well as when Zhongli says that no matter how weak the god, the surge of energy released when they die is far too powerful for any mortal to handle. He lead his own armies through multiple wars, he fought, killed and sealed countless gods, monsters, and demons (Liyue was stated to be full of Demons. That’s why the Yakshas exist)
Experience: Zhongli >>> Ei
No need to explain🗿
Stamina: Ei >>> Zhongli
Ei managed to fight her own Puppet in her own Plane for about 500 years. Though Ei says she could have lost many times, it’s still a worth stamina feat.
Abilities: Zhongli >= Ei
This was hard, but i think Zhongli has a slight edge. Now, both Archons are without a doubt masters if their own elements. Ei can use her Musou No Hitotachi to split entire islands in half, and even thousands of years go by, the Electro energy from the attack is still lingering there. She is also able to control the weather with her mind, and generate huge storms powerful enough to cut Inazuma off from Teyvat. Zhongli created enormous Geo spears that he rained down on many gods to seal them. Eventually, it becomes Guyun Stone Forest. However, Guyun Stone Forest is the result of those huge spears eroding. and now they are much smaller than they once were. However, they are still strong enough to keep Osial sealed.
But keeping their elemental powers aside, Zhongli gets abilities. Ei created the Raiden Shogun Puppet and Scaramouche with a forgotten Technique that even she forgot.
Zhongli however is the Prime Adeptus and is a master if any Adepti Arts. To keep it simple, he can make Divine Predictions to guide Liyue in the future, he can step into people's dreams and converse with them, he can create pocket realms with no effort (and even the Adepti say it's easy), he can use Adeptal energy to buff or heal others, he can create seals powerful enough to seal gods and maybe Azhdaha, etc
Hax: Zhongli
You forgot two things : Cannonically the warrior God title goes to Zhong Li, and for a reason : he was an akin fighter that not only used but forged some of the most poerful weapons in Liyue, he was recorded to weild swords (Priomordial Jade cutter) Spears (Primordial jade winged spear) to use the bow (Read the stell in the chasm) and he also fought with his fists.
As for Durability, I mean the man is 6000 years and unaffected by erosion the same way beings of Teyvat do.
I don't mean to debate you, I just felt the need to remind you of these details.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 Unaffected by erosion? Pretty sure he was tho
for those who talk about gameplay lemme remind you that raiden is not the one you fight in the game its the puppet ei be just sitting and chilling in her dimention
Durability, hax, feats Zhongli
Ei simp making a video be like :
Love how everyone's ignoring both the fact that Morax constantly relied on the other adepti and that ALL of Ei's feats were done on her own
Constantly relied on adepti bc no matter how strong he is he can't be at two places at the same time. Ei was relying on people in archon war as well and she wasn't even the archon. Makato was and makato was relying on ei as well. Plus. In archon war
Morax was throwing around mountains and giant spears, sealing gods, creating islands, and even dragged the giant azhdaha on the floor with one hand. Ei at that time couldn't even save her sister. (That was too savage of me 💀)
So conclusion
Current Morax >> Archon War Ei
Prime Morax >= Prime Ei
(Also I'm not saying ei is weak or has bad feats, I'm saying archon war Morax is stronger And that ei wasn't alone either, in fact morax is actually smart to rely on the adepti, so is ei.)
Bruh, Ei relied on the whole inazuma, while morax even gave powers to yakshas, helped a lot of adepts, and killed many archonts
Lol u prolly didnt even finish all the archon quests and archon story quests
@@bravo6going702 those arent even relevant to knowing about archon war zhongli or ei. even if they are then only ei's and zhongli's story quest and their archon quests are needed to have a say in this. and ive finished both
@@maadmarvel3940 exactly bro
Feats - Raisen?
What stuff are you smoking man, gimme some of that.
Zhongli's prowess matches that of Dragon Sovereigns. He'll smoke Raiden.
Never
@@KnOwnUN01_ I love Ei too, but this is the truth. Zhongli is the most powerful Archon in a fair battle.
I literally existed before the formation of the new world, before the arrival of Primordial One.
@@Beelzebullying I meant that he was never prime sovereign level to begin with
I don't really care
Zhongli sealed so many gods and Ei can easily kill a god with a single strike so.....
They both are mine father and mother in law :D.....
Zhongli could sealed and killed many gods but Ei only killed 1 god
Morax better feats tbh
@@-Quoc-A-ei9wt she slayed gods and conquered other races (stated in her char story)
She possesses great strength in war and those DEITIES defeated were ALL SLAIN to the last (stated in sangonomiya book)
She is the reason there's no gods remaining in inazuma.
She killed orobashi (and akuou) + split island + gives permanent balethunder in ONE slash (only with her polearm)
She killed thunderbird in one hit (in the trailer),
Thunderbird feats: destroyed the entire civilization in tsurumi island and put them into eternal loop curse. Even just a fragment of thunderbird power could destroyed/fragmented the seirai island.
Saying "Ei only killed ONE god" indicates that you didn't read the lore.
@@mukil2399Isso se torna tendencioso a partir do momento que você não sabe essas raças que ela dominou,afinal enquanto o Zhongli ia pra linha de frente da Guerra os amigos dele ficavam em Liyue a protegendo,já a Raiden era quem ficava em Inazuma a protegendo e as vezes ia pra Guerra junto de sua irmã e não sozinha,isso em si já diz muito kkkkkkkkkk.
@@LuizFelipe508-ty2id scared to reply my other comment, eh?
Did you know about this info? Well I'm pretty sure you don't.
Makoto wasn't a good fighter, NEVER ONCE sharpened her sword.
(Stated in char story)
Ei was the one who dealt with warfare and slaughter (stated in char story)
Ei protected makoto from COUNTLESS CALAMITIES (stated in Ei quest story 2)
Makoto becomes the archon cuz she's a good leader, while Ei only sees herself as a weapon.
Makoto went to khaenriah alone (without Ei), cuz makoto said khaenriah is something that archons can't ignore (stated in Ei quest story 2)
That's why, without Ei's protection, makoto died in khaenriah cataclysm
"Mommy... It's me Zhongli"
"Hello mommy it's daddy morax"💀
when they where doing the stuff that they had ei had 13 zhongli had 14 and zhongli is the strongest even though i'm a huge ei fan
azdaha> any god ei killed
and you are saying she is stronger than zhongli ? 💀
I don't know much about archon war but I preety much remember that zhongli was trying to protect the liyue.... meanwhile raiden didn't give a fu*k about her nation (splits whole Island)
the real Raiden shogun's can't kill abyss in one hit , so we can say that the character we got from Gatcha is just a sample of the power of Raiden shogun.... By looking at this we can also say that we got sample of Zhongli's power, which means a sample of Zhongli's power can take all attack from the real Raiden shogun... Imagine full power of Zhongli....
Imagine full power of Ei. She would beat the shit of zhongli, no diff 💀
@@bobuh yeah that Ei who got beaten by a random traveler 🍻
@@elite7948 no, she didn't. Firstly, traveler didn't do that alone. He got much stronger because of help of people's wishes. Secondly, Ei didn't even fight in full strength. She didn't transform to her god form. She didn't use muso no hitotachi. She wasn't even serious.
@@bobuhNão estava levando a sério?só foi parada por Kazuha quando literalmente iria matar o viajante e foi derrotada pelo Aether depois disso kkkkkkkk independente do meio que foi usado ela foi derrotada,Zhongli até agora não apanhou pra ninguém,não foi parado por ninguém,não teve dificuldades pra derrotar nem mesmo Azadaha na segunda missão lendária,você está forçando fanboy da Raiden.
@@bobuhafter reading ur comment I'm sure u aren't a genshin player, just a Honkai player who watches videos of genshin
goku solos all
Stamina is off. I think he must of forgot that she fought nonstop for hundreds of years without once taking a break. If that’s not stamina then I don’t know what is
Both look menacing enough to make me just ctrl+alt+del myself
Cap lmao the lore even states that Zhongli is by far stronger. Mountain sized spear rain beat the shi out of plenty of gods
Can you tell me, where is the lore that stating "zhongli is by far stronger" in the game?
the other thing in the archon war raiden was not in her prime so she is technically weaker 500 years later is when she entered her prime which is today
zhongli killed countless gods while raiden was screaming in her nation 💀
Those gods that Zhongli killed is featless.
Meanwhile Raiden killed gods that were gonna destroy her island and it was also stated that she can evaluate the entire sea in Teyvet with her attacks
@@chiaki.hayakawa18that were goona Destroy the islands not that they destroyed the islands so that can't be counted as feat it was only stated they can destroy islands
The gods zhongli defeated also can destroy islands but never destroyed that's why u r saying they are featless quite a based opinion of urs read lore about morax properly before stating these as facts
@@chiaki.hayakawa18which drug ?
Its stated that morax is stronger than ei
We know that archons are demons in reality and have their demon names(buer morax focalor) and celestia is the demons king also in the same mythologie it said that morax is the right hand of the demon king(celestia) and the second strongest one to celestia so naturally zhongli win
@@chiaki.hayakawa18gods zhongli killed isn't featless. They got killed before they made any feats. Simple explanation you raiden simp. Dont forget about osial capable of drowning all of liyue.
Merciless god during archon war was reduced to this 😭
These baal simps be getting out of hand
Was ei even in the archon war?
Yes....she and makoto faught together
Sabían que zhongli solo muestra el 30% de su poder con la batalla o sello de morax
DURABILITY GOES TO THE ELECTRIC PURPLE ARCHON???? ofc it goes the rock hard schlongli
Lightning can strike down rocks
Zhong Li is literally a God who is worshiped by dieties (Adepti)
The archon war zhongli can slay gods by blinking
Zhongli currently weaker than Ei because Ei is at its peak while Zhongli is slowly weakening
Everyone on tevyat claims during archon war Morax to be strongest and oldest god of all time ( wei also speculated hes a descender so if he actually is .. HE CAN CLAP ENTIRE TEVYAT AT ONCE )
To be honest they way current ei can just jump between her plane of euthymia physical attacks or any attacks are pointless unless you can enter her domain even then she can probably easily kick you out. So it's nearly impossible to fight her she can just pop out from anywhere and attacks and then retreat and keep doing it over and over . 😂😂
For one Morax is at the origin of subspace creation, and we had seen him teleport back and forth form the Chasm's Bed to save Xiao which is a plane of its own, the power of that man defies the laws of Teyvat to be honest, Also if Yae Miko could guide the traveler that is no god there, who tells you Zhong Li could not 🤷♂️ I am just speculating tho
Also I like how someone just doesn’t give everything to Zhongli so thank you
They probably wouldn't even fight if they saw eachother ngl.
At the time of the war, zhongli conquered the territories of other archons and annexed them to lue, so it is quite possible, I do not dispute that he would have lost a lot, but in the end he would have captured inazuma, he simply did not need it, he was destroying a potential threat to his people, while Baal was just protecting his people in inazuma
Why tf is the WA vs MA theme playing on whatever this debate is💀
Bro what's the song name please + w edit 🔥🔥
Song goes hard tho
Oh no raiden really trying to be Australian painter? 💀💀💀
Everything that Ei did in the war of the Archons, and in general 500 years ago, she did without gnosis, that is, she killed Orobashi and cut up the island with him, killing many other creatures that we can see in the official animated video, with gnosis Ei became much stronger but the battle with Itera clearly did not take place at the peak of her powers
I forgot to say that she didn't have gnosis
Bro woke uo and chose to become a cap god 💀