The '80s-'90s Cavs were great at everything ... except defending Michael Jordan | Bulldozed
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2020
- On this episode of Bulldozed, Bomani Jones recaps how the 1980s-90s Cleveland Cavaliers drafted a title contender, featuring Mark Price and Brad Daugherty, but gave up 40-plus points to Michael Jordan 21 times, including seven times during their playoff series losses to the Chicago Bulls.
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Yea, a lot folks today think the Cavs were not good until Lebron, nope. Mark Price so underrated.
Also don't forget Larry Nance
Lmaoo mark price underrated how bad was the 80’s basketball yeesh
Well I'm from Cleveland I dont think he was underrated. The PG spot was loaded at that time but he still made allstar teams, all nba teams.. its just that his skill set is more "appreciated" now bc it fits the playing style of "PGs" now. He was a shooter that disrupted the rock well. His shortcomings came on defense like Nash, Curry and unlike Isiah Thomas john Stockton etc etc.. the cavs whole team fits todays era more than the late 80s early 90s. We had shooters and skilled players ..the league wanted dunkers and slashers
@@Nurmi860 You must not know much about 80's bball and just how good Mark Price was then. The guy shot over 40% 3pt and over 90% FT...for his career! The only other players I could find to do it are S. Curry and S.Nash...both MVP's of the league.
The 98 Cavs were pretty underrated too
Absolutely the best thing that's come out of ESPN in forever. Bomani is absolutely NAILING these. Also, thank you for the Ron Harper stuff. He was a baaaaaad man, and that was a baaaaaaad trade.
ron harper stays on the cavs they win a title....he was a bad mannnnn.....that was a horrible trade
For real lol lenny wilkens coached a ton of games lol like bill Fitch
If Harper didn't have those knee injuries, he could've been one of the elite players in the NBA. By the time he got to Chicago for those 3 championships, he was a shell of his former self. Unfortunate that he didn't get mentioned more in The Last Dance.
That’s crazy how people forget that Price and Daugherty were really good
Yvans Yeah it's funny how some fans of you know who, would have you believe Jordan didn't play against any real competition on the way to winning 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 of these trophies. And most of them never even seen any game from '80 and '90.
ACC greats, too
Because others don't admire 90's basketball.
They were good compared to their comp which isn't saying much. Neither would make an NBA roster today.
Neither of them are as good as deon waiters and he doesn't even start.
Bishop85 ok boomer
People forget the Bulls had to beat the Cavs too. They were really good. Mark Price...was a serious baller.
Ron H. was their best player.
@@uncletony6210 He wasn't injured yet.
The Cavs were on a similar overall level as the Knicks in that era, although I'm sure they would've done more if not for untimely injuries, and if they kept Ron Harper. Those were good tough teams that the Bulls had to get by, but they did, even though there was struggle. The Pistons are remembered more as a Bulls-roadblock cause they actually beat the Bulls, and then won in the Finals after that. The Knicks win over the Bulls in 94' somewhat doesn't count, cause Jordan was banned for gambling, and cause the Knicks lost to the Rockets in the Finals.
@@arsonhakobyan Wasn't Jordan just retired from NBA in 1994 and joining the Baseball sports ?
@@ytgc-royalewarex5190 He just chose to play baseball to kill time till David Stern would let him back in the league.
Mark Price is the 2nd most underrated point guard of the 90's behind Rod Strickland
Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Mookie Blaylock ? ?
Underrated for sure. Second most not positive on that one. But that dude had a stroke like Steve Nash. He could really shoot the Rock.
@@allanhouston6759 Johnson was on the Cavs, they sent him to Phoenix to keep Price. Hardaway isn't underrated. Price and Strickland were better than Mookie.
@@thomaspitts5161 Price and Strickland are the only point guards of the 90's that even hard-core basketball fans don't realize made first team All NBA in the 90's.
Thomas Crown III he was better than rod strickland. Kevin Johnson was better than both.
Price teaches cats to shoot today. And he's one of the original that would split the trap. Go look him up..
Amazing player. That Cavs team was snakebit with injuries. If he, Harper and Daughrety stayed healthy...would have made for a great rivlary with Chicago.
I think he was the first to split the trap (I think, anyway). He's also a part of the exclusive 90% FT/50% field/40% 3-point club.
@@g.shumway5925 I'm sure there were others before that tried to split the trap, they just didn't do it w/ the consistent success that Price did.
@@g.shumway5925 Just say 50/40/90 dude, it's a well-known term at this point
I always thought Mark Price was better than John Stockton.
Price belongs in the HOF. I remember as a Knick fan how he destroyed my Knicks in the 90's. Plus although his teams didn't win the championship his teams were very good, winning 50 plus games every year and going deep into the playoffs.
Who the knicks suck so
@@fc775 What? Pat Riley's Knicks from 91 to 95 were a tough gritty team, who won 50 plus games every year. They had the best defense and made the playoffs every year. What you smoking?!
@@Joseph-lz5er same team that could have kept bernard king. But he got into injuries
no disrespect AT ALL but the cavs lost in the 1995 and 1996 playoffs to the knicks when they still had the elite version of patrick ewing
Barely a mention of Larry Nance .. The man was the best shot blocking forward in the league . An athletic dunking freak with a great midrange jump shot .. Would’ve been nice to give him a little bit of air time
Man could jump out the gym
@@ricosauve5 MJ could fly but they underrate alot of hoopers back then who had freaky athleticism as well
he was shawn marion before shawn marion...but better at scoring
Asmosis Jones yes but a little slower yet 6’10
They mentioned him in the context of dunking, but it gave the impression that was all there was to him. Bomani kinda did him dirty there.
Mark Price a great free throw shooter. Only seen him miss once and it was on purpose.
I have a game on tape where Price missed two. I wonder what the most he missed in a game was...
@@TRJ2241987 back then it was Price and Ricky Pierce that were best free throw shooters. I've seen Pierce miss 2 in a row and 3 in a game, including a technical foul. Price only time I've seen him miss was in game 6 elimination against Bulls with very few time left on the clock.
@Yemi you need to realize that us young folks dgaf about the past unless we are talking about legends
GABRIELA ACEVEDO Facts. Not even Nash was able to throw like him
@@maxmx767 best free throw shooter I've ever seen
Price & Daughtery's pick & roll was devestating. Nance was also an all-star. They should've never traded Harper or let Dell Curry go
Mark Price is one of the greatest point guards to play the game. Dude could flat out shoot the balk , assist and was able to split the defense with his speed and dribbling ability night to night!
This was fantastic.
Terrelll Brandon was dope, too!
i've always said that Ehlo wasn't even a bad player, but unfortunately he will always be remembered as the shot.
he was basically the trevor ariza type of his era
@@razkable that's actually a great comparison.
@@razkable Nah don't do Ariza like that 😭
Mark price was a badddd man. Curry before curry.
Price actually coached Curry in his 2nd pro season
He was a better defender and passer than curry but couldn’t score like curry
@@TheSands83 I believe if the rules of today were in place back then, Price would've put up Curry like numbers.
more like nash
@@TheSands83 also wasn’t a better player than curry.
Yeah my son one day asked me who those Jerseys where that hung in the Cavs arena and I told him thise where the players from the last time the cavs where good before Lebron and he was like WhAt!!!!!
I always said there were 2 teams celebrating when Jordan hit the shot in 89...the bulls and the pistons...that cavs team was great..had the 2nd best record in the east but was the 3rd seed because they didn't win their division....Isiah's response in the Last dance documentary basically said the same thing...they didn't want to face the cavs...they were happy to face MJ and the bulls in 89.......90 and 91 is a different story.
Those 88-89 Cavaliers could definitely beat the Pistons. They were tearing up the league early in the season. Could beat Detroit in Detroit. Way ahead. Magic called them "team of the 1990s".
@@NameCallingIsWeak Detroit would of killed them
I forgot exactly who said it (might have been Isiah) but the nickname the Pistons players had for the Cavs was the Assassins. You know you're a badass team when a team nicknamed the Bad Boys calls you that.
It may sound laughable now, but back in the late 80s most everyone thought that those Cavs teams would be the best team in the East during the 90s, not the Bulls
Such a disappointment
Anybody who stepped in the same room as Jordan gets a legacy boost, because if Jordan played them they have to be great right? In reality they are the late 80s,early 90s equivalent of the Derozan, Lowry Raptors. Good not great.
Not laughable at all. Had the Cavs come along at a different time in history, they could have won 2 or 3 titles.
Cavs vs Blazers 92 would have been an interesting series.
juju 32 u r showing your lack of knowledge
Brad Daugherty: What could've been?
Nah he had 8 or 9 years but oden really didn't even play. One if the biggest busts in the history of basketball
Nah we got the see the best of him. A very good All Star, a lock for 20/10. Probably closest comparison is today Vucevic but a better passer.
M C good observation
@Greg A I agree, can't help injuries. Think Anthony Bennett, that's a bust.
@@MC-yh9bw
Agreed. He wasn't quite dynamic enough to take over an offense by himself. His worst skill was defense, where he was utter trash. IMO, he was rightfully consigned to the 2nd tier of centers during that era.
Mark Price in college? Nasty.
3s shooting form's Mark Price was so fine so polish.. Popular Mecanics mag took him like example about the science of shooting...very good tips to improve fg%
Ron Harper was truly a Jordan stopper before he got injured.
More like he scored some back on MJ.
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The Cavaliers were Playing at the Richfield coliseum 30 minutes outside of Cleveland
Mark Price is one of the most underrated players ever and should be in the HOF. He was the the first PG in the 50/40/90 club and did it when hand checking was allowed. Steph is great but I'm going with Price as the GOAT shooter given the space and freedom given to players today. Also Price in the PnR was killer, he invented the split the D dribble.
I used to love playing with the old Cavs on 2k Mark Price is a beast lol
The Bulls, Pistons, and Celtics in the 80s and 90s was the reason a lot of really good teams in the East never won a championship. The Cavs were right there with them and they get forgotten in history due to the Bulls winning 6 championships.
Dont be hating on those late 90’s uniforms ESPN. They are the best look the Cavs ever had.
Leave us alone those unis in LeBrons first run were crisp lol
Straight fire
Nah fam them cavs 2016 sleeved championship jerseys were the best cavs jerseys hands down
The 2018 playoff run uniforms were fire
@@ezmoney1738 I liked the blue & orange ones w/ the V in the form of a hoop on it, and imagery of a basketball from heaven above, about to go through it the best personally. The ones they wore from the mid 80s to mid 90s (right before the move to the Gund Arena). Those looked the most wholesome to me.
Ron Harper for Danny Ferry! Nail in the coffin.
This was really well put together. Credit where credit is due. Nice work, Bomani and Co.
This is an awesome presentation on a topic you would not necessarily be interested in (except for Covid-19 ending all sports news). The announcer is hilarious and very insightful. I hope to hear him much more on ESPN than the regular over-used talking heads.
I went to Cavs in warriors game with seeing brad doughty and mark price, when they played one game at the pavilion here in san jose CA. In the early 90's. My brother gave me his ticket to go that he got from the alma center which it used to be a recreational place, as the people worked there bought tickets to go with two groups in two vans. The cavs won by 4 points.🤗
All these videos make me nostalgic for NBA Jam lol
Thus sooooo enjoyable...the narrative is the 💣💥
I absolutely love these fact videos that mr Jones puts out . keep it up love the work you put into making it
Bomani is incredible in this format. More please.
"Nothing that unlucky would happen in uhhhh Cleveland.
Lol Thank you. You and your ingenuous commentory have a new subscriber! This is maybe the best commentary I've ever heard on my beloved team, the Cavs.
Mark price first 50 40 90 % before steve nash
Larry Bird was first
@@latina997 Bird isn't underrated like Price.
@@jp3813 But Thie Hunter said that Mark Price was the 1st, not that Larry Bird was underrated.
Mark Price's shooting style was a thing of beauty, one of the best ever!
Wow is tht price putting on "Steph Curry" type moves. But they say today there wasn't know tallent back in the 90's. They had just as much talent and were more fundamentally sound.
MayjaAudio That's why I don't listen to what "they say". Because they usually have an agenda that they are pushing based on their feelings and not the facts.
The only people that say that are lebron stans. Any real NBA fan knows they east was deep back then
The main reason is the footage. We have HD and 4K cameras now - they can show off the players better. I remember being stationed in San Antonio during the early 2000's and going to the games and the playoffs - the guys were much faster than what they appear on TV. A lot of the 80 and 90s stuff is on VHS or 480p quality.
MayjaAudio yea you are really reaching to say those are steph type moves
Price never had a season where he averaged more than 20 points which was typical of good small point guards back then. If they were all-stars they averaged between 15 to 20 points a game.
The Pre-Kawhi Raptors of the 90s
Cavs gave me a scare back in the first three peat as a Bulls fan. Mark Price was so underrated and seemed like the best point guard not named Isiah, Magic, or Stockton.
Trading Harper and not keeping Dell Curry: Stupid...
nance for kj was stupid too imo
Michael Jordan owned the Cleveland Cavaliers and the New York knicks in the NBA playoffs always like John Elway and the Denver Broncos quarterback owned the Kansas City Chiefs and the Cleveland browns both coached by Marty Schottheimter with the 98 yard drive in the 1986 AFC Championship game verses the Chiefs with 2 minutes remaining Elway had game winning drives
Facts I’m a chiefs fan I hated Elway 🤬
This was great and funny. Thank you
Great video. I agree. Those group of guys were pretty good. They're even hard to beat on NBA2K! lol..
Bomani is a national treasure. Loved him on around the horn in the 2008 era post class in college.
Sidenote @4:31 That was a 1990 home playoff game against the 76ers (black shoes for the 76ers), and that's a heck of a lot of empty seats in the upper-bowl at old Richfield Coliseum.
Mark Price was really Steph Curry before Curry. He was a great shooter and the Cavs were not a joke back then like they were before and after Lebron. They were a threat.
they were good in the later 90's too its just big z got hurt an then let mike go as coach and then fell apart in 1999 due to the lockout....never recovered....
Price’s jumpshot looks smoother than anyone’s aside from Jordan’s in those times.
he would fit so well today .....steph curry lite
Mark Price was criminally underrated. Been saying it for years, I thought he was a better player than Steve Nash.
Mark Price was one of my faves growing up. Think of Nash if Nash wanted to look to score, but still end up with his 10apg.
I've been a diehard Cavs fan since 1986 (I was six years old) and yeah, those late '80s and early '90s teams were pretty good! They were almost the prototype for the modern Golden State Warriors (Mark Price is almost like an early version of Steve Nash and Steph Curry). I feel we were one superstar away from winning. Maybe if the team didn't trade Ron Harper for Danny Ferry, we would've won. Maybe if the rules were like today, we would've won. Oh well, I'm very happy we won it all in 2016! It's funny when you look at those Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah Chicago Bulls teams from the 2010s and how they couldn't beat Cleveland because of LeBron James. But I think that's good enough for me.
Why isn’t Mark Price in the Hall?! 🤦♂️
Career cut short. Likely why Kevin Johnson isn’t in either
@@swpdisciple It was more because his prime was cut short due to injuries though, than even career being cut short. He played till he was 34 (same age at which Troy Aikman retired, who was a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer). Neither had the longevity, but Troy was basically in his prime from 2nd season till season before his last, whereas Price really only had about 5 prime performance seasons. He didn't play till he was 41 like John Stockton, but 34 is a relatively advanced age already, even if no injuries. I already started losing some noticeable foot speed and jumping ability at 26, and I was never injured, yet always training since 12. So many don't realize how narrow an athletic window can really be. Mark Price was 'only' 25 in 89', but between the Rick Mahorn brutal elbow, and then the groin pull he was playing through in the Bulls series, that caused him to also miss the opening Game of that series the Cavs lost at home by 7, it was a devastating blow. Craig Ehlo was getting older, and nursing a sprained ankle in that same series that caused him to miss Game 3 in Chicago, that the Cavs lost by 7. They were clearly not at full strength in the 4 games that each of them did play in. I wasn't sure they had more chances to come w/ that group, and they had a few more good teams after that, but I only felt they really could've won it all in 89'.
Nba jam
@@arsonhakobyan you can't use Troy Aikman retiring at 34 compared to an NBA player. NFL players play far less than NBA players on average
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 I didn't think about that. That's true.
People forget how good Ron Harper was when he was on the Cavs. Injuries really messed up his career. By the time he got to the Bulls he was a shell of his former self.
yeah its a shame people don't even remember him as a starter and key player in game 4 of the finals on the 2000 lakers or his game winner vs portland ...his career is so underrated...he was a budding star went to the clippers still a star got hurt became a role player and then won rings but people remember kerr and fisher over him on those teams sadly...he was on the 2001 lakers too....harper man what a odd career
watched most of these 10min vids on the contenders they're really good.
Between 1988 and 1993 the Cavs were favorites.
Brad Daugherty was like a prototype Tim Duncan. Mark Price was a precursor to Stephen Curry. Larry Nance great athletic wing. Craig Ehlo & of course Ron Harper. They were gream teams from a talent perspective. Almost, borderline Dominate had they had avoided injuries & developed even further. Or they could've used a transcendent star like Charles Barkley.
Young Blood, totally agree.
They were loaded with talent, they had the Bulls by the short hairs twice, and let them get away.
They were good on paper
People really don't know how good the Cavs were...everyone were fooled on how they looked. Its like Boston Celtic, people love to call them plumbers but as a collective they was hard to beat. No flashy moves just pure basketball IQ
Ah Danny Ferry one of my favorite Jordan dunks that was explosive af
Imagine how deep this team would be if they didn’t trade Ron Harper and kept Dell Curry and Steve Kerr.
With Price, Daugherty, Nance, Harper and Hot-Rod Williams as the starting 5, with Ehlo, Kerr & Curry off the bench, that would be an excellent shooting team
More stuff like this please
90s Cavs and Jordan/Bulls remind me of the 15-18 Raptors and LeBron/Cavs... So Cavs eventually got to be the bully.
Those teams were sooo stacked.
Loved the terell Brandon, Tyrone Hill cavs. Those 70 point games were terribly awesome. Lol
Thanks
Cracks me up after game 7 vs warriors in 2016 when mike Breen said Cleveland is the city of champions again lmao it had been a lil while not again lmao sorry glad you guys won I remember dajuan Wagner days lol
More like this!!!!
The Daugherty/Nance/Price teams were very good. 2nd best team in the league in 91-92. But by 1991 the Daugherty, Nance, Harper, Price team would have been outstanding and winning 65+ games a season. But, when they traded Harper they tore their own heart out. Ron Harper, before his ACL, was a phenomenal two-way player and was the exact man the Cavs needed to beat the Bulls. No one was going to shut Jordan down, but Harper made him work on both ends. And that plays a key role as a series progresses into Games 6 & 7 as a tired Jordan doesn't;t have the depth those Cavs teams did to pick up the slack. Had the Cavs kept that Price/Harper/Nance/Daugherty core intact as they matured, by 1991 they were at least the match of the Bulls and I think they beat them in the playoffs at least once in that 3-4 year span. Daugherty himself said the Harper trade was catastrophic and that they could have handled Jordan and used to whip them. People forget that Jordan hit "The Shot" against a very young Cavs team. Daugherty, Price and Harper were like 23-24 years old at the time. They were just getting ramped up. They needed seasoning yet, which Jordan had by 1989. Harper was the key and it was 100% apparent in those playoff series after they traded him. The Cavs were soft because Harper had all the grit and swagger. Worst trade ever.
Jordan avg 45 against the Cavs in Playoffs in 88 and 39.8 in 89.
in 89 that was a real threat and the fact mj upset them is underrated...they were stacked
@@razkable they were trash you mean
Bulls had to sweat a lot when they played . But well...MJ mister clutch
mj was their lebron they were toronto from 2015-2018 ...but unlike the cavs in 1989 they did not trade their ron harper aka pascal siakam ..they stuck it out...and he rewarded them....
Mark Price was innovative. He played P&R like the modern game.
How dare you Bomani...Those black and blue unis are fresh!
I love how nobody talks about the insane numbers of Jordan on Cavs, because that level of excellence was the standar for MJ
Bomani Jones has a good voice for this
Brad D was like a poor mans tim Duncan
Nobody was better than MJ in the 80s and 90s
TrolleyXLakers - Jordansexual stopper not in the 90s
TrolleyXLakers - Jordansexual stopper and not magic
@TrolleyXLakers - Jordansexual stopper He said MJ NOT the Bulls. And from 87-93 NOBODY PUT UP BETTER NUMBERS THAN MJ while still being the best SG Defender in the league.
@Marcus Graham no he wasn't
definitely the team jordan tortured the most, jeez he was dropping godly numbers on them
Mark Price is the second best player in Cavs history.
That boy was deadly.
Daugherty and Price the Malone and Stockton of the east!
Mark price was so good and also before lebron the Cavs were known to be great
Mark price and brad daughtery were BEASTS in nba jam 😂
Cavs were touted as the "Team of the 90s" by Magic
It should be mandatory for PGs to watch Mark Price split a pick & roll. It was beautiful. He was surgical with it.
What’s the song playing at the beginning of this video?
I have the same question. It's quite a nice tune.
That Jordan was pretty good player
And Danny Ferry was hated in HS at DeMatha. He was experienced at it by the time he got to Puke.
I'm glad he was hated over there for choosing Puke.
@@zacharythomason7359 His dad was the GM in Washington who drafted Rick Mahorn and Jeff Ruland whose nicknames were McFilthy and McNasty. Danny used to scrimmage with those guys as a HS kid and he learned how to play dirty from two of the best.
Ron Harper used to give it to Jordan.
Mark Price was one of the greatest shooters of all-time. Shot over 40% from 3 and over 90% FT for his career. I could only find 2 other players to do it....S. Curry and S. Nash. Lmk if anyone else is on this list fellas. Price would be even greater in today's game....he was very underrated.
Shows you how great MJ really was when he played. He denied a whole population from winning. Bomani, great perspective breakdowns on his opponents. Best as of late from ESPN. Yes, Ron Harper, pre-injury was a PROBLEM!
Magic and Bird took over the 80s MJ took over the 90s
@MightyWhitEe daNgermoUse LMAO! Olajuwon only won because Jordan retired!
That’s why Jordan is the greatest player of the 90s not any other era
@@alananderson7903 jordan played 1995 and defeated by magic
Not just Magic and Bird, Isiah Thomas and the Pistons too, they closed out the decade and almost 3 peated
@MightyWhitEe daNgermoUse Exactly. Not to many back to back finals MVPs in NBA history, youngsters tend to forget that.
Its hard to stop that guy....Brad Daugherty quote
That was a ridiculous offensive foul call on Reggie that last play.😢
Bomani has a great voice
The 69 pt game is the greatest individual performance in NBA history by "game score" and I guess not including pre-1980 performances.
I never thought Ehlo's defense on that shot was that bad. He got a hand up right in front of the shot. That was just a great MJ shot. My guess is he would have hit that shot no matter who was guarding him. Never double teaming MJ tho? Interesting decision.
Quite a few people suffered from the same condition too
Ouch. No mention of Gerald Wilkins until the very last minute, and it was for poking the bull. 🤣
Freaking Ehlo, Price, Daughtery were awesome. No one could get past Jordan in the 90s.
Don't forget that the Cavs traded Kevin Johnson to Phoenix for Larry Nance! I still think that the Suns got the better of that trade!
Nance was the best defender on that Cavs team
they should do this for 2000s through 2010s