Michael Jordan REIGNITES The Steph vs Magic Debate 🔥
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2023
- Michael Jordan DISAGREES With Steph Curry and Gilbert Arenas as he told Stephen A Smith on First Take that Magic Johnson is the best NBA Point Guard of all time and not Steph Curry. Gil's Arena backs up Steph and debate why he should be considered the GOAT over Magic.
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Rashad McCants telling MJ to GTFOH is hilarious.
And Mccants played at UNC
Jordan could learn from a real UNC legend
McCants is the literal definition of ZERO SELF-AWARENESS and irrational confidence 😂😂😂
Imagine that 😳
I stopped pay attention after that
Saying Magic Johnson didn’t have any influence might be one of the dumbest things Ive every heard😂😂 respectfully
I totally agree!!!
Agree. Magic could not control which team drafted him. Magic greatness did not need no “dynasty development”, we saw Magic greatness; we have eyes!!
Right he definitely made nba players wear condoms
@@franciscoarroyo9402no one saying he ain't great. We see a lot of greatness that goes nowhere because of bum teams. Look at dame, ai, chuck, etc. Magic can't get thses ass blazers to win a ring but I'm pretty sure dame could win a bunch of rings with Kareem and worthy
Facts
“If your opinion ain’t positive it’s hate” 😂😂😂 he wants everybody to agree with all the BS that come out of his mouth.
If you simply respectfully disagree that’s now called hate 🤦🏽♂️
U obviously slow
Bringing up Steph playing with KD for two of his chips as some sort of demerit, while overlooking that Magic played with the #2 player of all time for all of his Finals appearances and chips is nasty work.
Bruh he didn't just have KD...The warriors had the best record OF ALL-TIME then added KD for nothing. IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS PRIME!!!!! Kareem was already past his prime at the point. That's like when Clyde Drexler won a ring with the Rockets. Or Dwight Howard won a ring with the Lakers or Jason Kidd won a ring with the Mavericks. Those players weren't the same when they won those rings. KD, Steph, Klay, Draymond were the best they've ever been...ALL IN THEIR PRIME AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
@@str8rippinigga he won an mvp that season they had the best record
Just shows how much they feel threatened by steph legacy
@@str8rippi2 chips aint nothing
@@k4bjonterrius We aren't talking about one individual season. Try & keep up nigga, he specially said every single finals appearance not just one single season.
Rashad is disrespectful as hell lmao. I have a suspecting feeling why he only lasted 5 years in the nba.😭
Disrespectful and wrong almost all the time 💀
@@APRCTEDPROD This dude loves to say “Its my opinion….I can give my opinion” only whenever he’s clearly wrong in an argument lmao. He straight up even disrespected Miko for not playing in the NBA. That’s some low blows from Rashad.
Like there no other pro basketball, and some are very close to nba, and the women's side the wnba far from the best leageu🤣🤣🤣
Dude be tripping BAD lmaoo lbs
He's goofy.
What is Gil talking about (5:03)? The Lakers didn't go to the Western Conference Finals two years in a row before Magic arrived. They lost in the First Round then Semis the two years prior. That was Seattle vs Denver (1978), Seattle vs Phoenix (1979). The Lakers last went to the Western Conference Finals in 1977 and went to the NBA Finals in 1973 (and lost). Magic arrived in 1979-80 season. They were by no means a dynasty when Magic arrived. They were a 47 win team the year prior.
Exactly. And they had a really good squad on paper the year (even two years) before Magic arrived.
TONS of missing context on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's greatness. Missed the playoffs two years in a row - still somehow gets an MVP one of those seasons (!) - and played too much listless basketball. Even Jerry West (his coach then) thought that Kareem was a big pretender when it came to greatness.
FFS, they're on TAPE DELAY in '80 because they were going nowhere leading up to Magic/Bird's rookie seasons. Seattle makes it to two Finals, what the hell is Kareem doing? He had from '69-'76, his peak overlaps with the ABA's existence, so the league is watered-down and he should have been racking up championships. He played in a centers-league, at the height of it BEING a centers league, and somehow, only wins "1" time; and racks up 5 MVPs before Magic comes along.
Moses Malone won x3 MVPs, overlapping Kareem's prime; moving away from peak years here. Who thinks Moses Malone was greater than Kareem? And they played in the same conference for two of Malone's MVPs.
Kareem was the face of the NBA in the '70s, yet Dr. J (who is nowhere near as great of a player) was FAR MORE influential on basketball; in a lesser league!
Magic was Showtime, not Kareem.
Obviously Gil shoots his mouth off without knowing shit.
He merely mis spoke, but I knew what he meant, c'mon man. Heck I was into the Lakers back then and he was correct, Magic was handed an already made team. Norm Nixon, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Jamaal Wilkes, and Micheal Cooper were already on the roster when they drafted Magic. In fact, Magic Johnson said the reason he left Michigan State was because the Lakers had the #1 pick asnd he knew he would go #1. 2 years later they drafted James Worthy is the #1 pick, but he couldn't start becaus of Jamaal Wilkes, whom had already won a championship with the Golden State Warriors with Rick Barry, so lets keep it real here.
@@jameswarner300 Worthy went #1 overall 3 years later; not 2. Jerry West didn't want to draft Magic 1st overall, and he was the GM at the time; he wanted Moncrief. All of those guys were there before Magic - as you said - not playing the most inspiring basketball. If you were (actually) there, YOU KNOW Magic stirred the drink. So, c'mon man, let's keep it real here.
@@emmapeel38 Listen, I'm not taking anything away from Magic, I had his Olympic jersey, even use to try and walk like Magic, that's my guy, but the pieces were already in place for him. and yes, they were playing inspired basketball prior to Magic arriving, but teaming him up with Kareem was a matchup nightmare, it's like the Kevin Durant acquisition to Golden State, they made a mockery of the league as well.
Only problem with Gil's reasoning with the pg debate ... Bron has only been listed at pg like twice in his 20 year career whereas Magic has been listed as a guard since college so he is very much a pg
Thank you! Also it’s untrue that the Lakers were a dominant team before Magic got there. 1979 they won the chip, Magics rookie year. Yes, they were a good team but not dominant until Magic. Lakers lost in the WCF SEMIS in 78, and in the first round of the playoffs in 77. Lost WCF in 76, and in 75 & 74 didn’t even make the playoffs.
But I still agree that Steph is the BEST PG of all time. But Gil’s points sometimes be exaggerated when you actually look up the facts
Facts…and even though Magic was drafted to a great team he was definitely a catalyst to their winning. He compared Tim Duncan joining a great team but they didn’t win immediately nor did he won a finals MVP in his rookie season 🤷🏾♂️
Facts but Gills takes at times are questionable
Then what is a point guard? is it purely what your listed at. How is Lebron not the starting point guard when he's the one setting the plays, passing the ball, creating looks. When Lebron does everything a point guard does and is the same size as magic the only difference is the listed at. Damn even when you look at the teams there was 2 guards running beside magic, and he's (size wise) the sf he is just listed differently. Life sure if there was magic and a sg and a sf then its different but its the exact same for born as it is for magic they are just listed diffrently.
@@tipukhan6426 Magic guarded the other guard a lot of times, Bron only guarded guards in playoff series to get stops. Outside that championship year with LA Bron has always guarded the other teams forward.
Only time I've known Magic to start a game with 2 other guards is when he himself wasn't the designated PG, for example: when Kareem was hurt in the finals, outside of moments like that he was on the court with 1 other guard and forward. Byron Scott and James Worthy, or Cooper and whoever was the forward of that team
SAS kill me wit his extra ass 😂😂 “at 5:45AM” like ngga we ain’t need to know what time MJ texted you 🤣🤣🤣
2 seasons before Bird joined the celtics: 32-50
1 season before Bird joined the celtics: 29-53 (second worst in the league)
Bird’s rookie year: 61-21
Thank you! They are just loud and wrong for no reason! Dude has a laptop at this fingertips and they're still spewing garbage.
Imagine how bad the state of bball was for a rookie to turn a team around within 1 season ... yeah proves the fact the level of competition was very weak
@@KamaiyahFurriendsyeah sthu
And yet no one ever mentions him as being "The GOAT", or even "a GOAT". How and why Larry Bird is so overlooked is anyone's guess, but I'll bet that no one who played with or against him or has a functioning brain thinks he isn't somewhere in the conversation.
@@KamaiyahFurriendsABA
Everyone forgets Barkley in the “changing the game” conversation. The league created the 5 sec back to the basket rule because he was so good in the post
Barkley was a beast for being 6’4 250lbs, he even gave Shaq and Rodman a battle
He couldn't really compete with Shaq. Also, he's closer to 6'5" than 6'4"; if he'd been maybe 6'6"-6'7" he could've maybe held his own vs Shaq better @@keithragin6573
What’s crazy is I think MJ saying that was more to motivate Steph to get another one so they can talk about Steph or bron who better🤣🤣🤣
I agree
Yes. Michael Jordan texted Stephen Smith in a personal response to a conversation they'd been having at 5:54 in the morning to motivate Steph Curry. You're brilliant.
Steph is a shooting guard in a PG body. Magic was PG in a SF body. Saying Magic wasn't a PG because of his size is crazy when Steph has shown since college that he's more of a SG than a PG.
That’s how I see it. If Steph was a few inches taller he would be labeled a shooting guard.
@@datsapaddlinnot even! He is the primary ball handler
That’s dumb just because he’s nice at scoring they discredit him from being a point so might as well discredit magic for being tall
@@zacharybarker9991 Draymond sets him and the others up for so many looks. He starts the breaks most the time when he’s on the floor.
@@TheColdest510 Magic was actually leading the league in assists when he played. Steph has never done that. His best attribute is shooting. He can pass but he’s a shoot first player and ain’t no Magic when it comes to play making.
I want a friend like Gil. He keep putting bread in his insane friend's pockets.
McCants be saying some super crazy things.
Mccants makes the show. Everyone can’t agree. You need the nigga to go against everyone. That’s makes a real dialog bit everyone agreeing
He’s not too bright. 🤷🏻♂️
Loudest in the room and the dumbest
He said Tim Duncan wasn’t nice . This man is stupid lol
Bc he’s nutty walking around with a crown on and nothing about you says KING but #CarryOn
Before Magic arrived in '79 the Lakers won a championship in '72 and their last conference title was in' 73. They were either losing in the first round or one year not making it at all to the playoffs. They lost in the second round of the play-offs the year before Magic arrived. This was also just after the expansion from the ABA. So they actually weren't a stacked team dominating the league.
Yeah Gil just be saying anything to make HIS take...smh
He’s point is they were a great team before he was draft
@@ACL_Entertainment1 They weren't. The ABA had just merged with the NBA. The Lakers didn't dominate the 70s. They were an average to good team and didn't always make the playoffs. Magic made them into a dynasty, he didn't inherit one. Also Magic played point guard in college and in the NBA. He started as point guard as a rookie. So he wasn't the original point forward. Gilbert's points sound reasonable until you look up the facts and realize he is misleading.
@@w.w.1348teams who go to the second round don’t get a magic, plus they added Kareem and Worthy, i literally watch ppl call warriors a super team before they even had KD but them laker teams wasn’t?? That’s hypocritical
@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408
Magic Johnson: Rookie season in the NBA (1979-1980). Lakers:
NBA 1979 Playoffs:
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (2-1) versus Denver Nuggets (Series Stats)
Lost NBA Western Conference Semifinals (1-4) versus Seattle SuperSonics (Series Stats). Also, Kareem arrived in 1975. They were not dominating. Gilbert's points are misleading. Magic is the missing piece that made them great. It's just the facts.
Reason no one emulated Magic's game was because there aren't too many guys that big that can pass (play PG) like Magic.
Magic son can tho
Every top 10 guys is a one of a kind player with extraordinary physical gifts. Then here comes Steph (he obviously has gifts), a 6'2 scrawny guy. 6'2 and thin is a penny a dozen build. You can find Steph's build in a lot of middle school ball players. Imagine being so great, that you are aguably the best pg/top 10 with what Steph was naturally given physically. People most of the time just hate because Steph doesnt look the part.
If all curry had to do was pass the ball in a fast break to one of his multiple hall of fame teammates since his rookie year, he would have 7+ rings rn.
And when they can pass they aren’t point guards (lebron James)
Rashad actually made me laugh for once when Gil asked what’s Magic’s staple/what people wanted to mimic. He said “smile”
Lmao
Man just be saying any fucking thing lol
Magic made the game fun. Made Kareem smile and learn to enjoy the game. That's underrated. Watch "Winning Time" if you're too young to have watched Magic in the 80s.
That is just stupid. Magic perfected the no-look pass. The so-called no-look passes that are shown in today's NBA are not true no-look passes.
😅
Magic saved the league. It's sickening how gill is trying to downplay his impact and influence.
Fr magic and bird saved the league and then Jordan came and took it to another level but we don't know if we would even have the nba today if it wasn't for the magic vs bird rivalry.
Disrespectful
@@cyberbron2077duh they saved the league everything was handed to them
@@iceek1778 The Celtics and Lakers had fell off when it came to winning championships until they came on the team.
@@datsapaddlin so what’s your point? Stern wasn’t stupid he knew who would make money and both teams roaster was already stacked they didn’t need much to be back at winning.
When Kenyon Martin is the level headed adult in the room… there’s probably something really wrong with that room
Magic literally led the league in Assist multiple times and has the NBA record for career average in assists and he has more championships he is the greatest point guard of all time
BTW no one mentioned Magic playing center as a rookie in place of an injured Kareem once & won Finals MVP 🏆
The man is 6’9, doesn’t impress me
In the NBA Finals, with Kareem out for injury. Magic literally won the FMVP without Kareem at the opposing team's stadium, as a ROOKIE.
@@evanzdzinicki1873your a casual of course it doesn’t surprise you
@@zxcvb3772i just watch the winning series magic said kareem carried us but they given me the fmvps we have to stop the Lyin respectfully. Kareem did go check the stats kareem had 30 and 11 while playing
@@albertdaley9093 Kareem would have been the FMVP had he played in game 6, but he did not, he didn't even travel with the team. Magic carried the team in Kareem's absence, and that's why he won FMVP. It's not lying when you look up 1980's FMVP and you see the name Earvin Johnson and not Kareem Abdul Jabaar.
McCants is horrible at this. There have to be better people on rotation sooner than later who can actually make sense with their talking points. We can all say what he is saying.
Right
It's his friend irl
he is mentally ill
Facts.
He curses to much
They wasn't a dynasty before he got there. They became one because of Magic
TY
Gilbert be saying anything🤦🏾♂️
He had Kareem at the beginning, give curry Kareem he winning 6
@@ADN64 steph had kd.
@@marcelohendrix6139not since the beginning
Where's this whole episode
You missed the first man who changed basketball. Wilt! They had to make the paint because of him. Also they put in the rule no dunking on free throws🤣 Imagine that he use to run and dunk free throws because at first you just had to start behind the line.
Wilt never used to run and dunk free throws. He launched from a standing position at the line and dunked.
Magic was rookie mvp playing point -center and scored 42 points in the championship game when Kareem was hurt and out. He was the goat point then and now.
Curry will surpass him by the time he finishes his career
In a garbage Era is not impressive
So he wasn’t playing point
Lebron is the goat pg
@@jayswazzy1313either way curry not above either lol 😂
Magic is #1 for now - lebron the (point guard ) is #2 for now - curry is #3 for now . But if curry does this prolific play for four or five more years . He may end up being the goat of goats over Jordan. But defense surpassing magic and LeBron. Just saying . If curry does this for 5 more years. And win another chip or two. It's a wrap . Curry the goat . You ever had curry goat 🐐. Yummy 😋
Saying Magic isn't a PG is just insane. I guess if you want to call him a point-forward, but then you gotta say Steph is just a scoring guard then.
The argument of magic not being a pg is in response to idiots who say curry isn’t one.
@@patrick05Morganhe isn’t, he plays the same game AI and Wade did…
Sounds like Lebron is the best PG by that logic lol
Idiot
You need to learn how to pay attention. They were calling Curry not a point guard. No one said Magic isnt one just to say it. Theres a thing called cause and effect. Pay attention.
Excellent discussion!
In my opinion, this could be the best debate that I have witnessed on this podcast since it’s inception. Now I may have missed quite a few, but the way that this debate was articulated and debated with sensibility ( by the panel) leads me to believe that this was the best yet. Best point that changed EVERYTHING was the fact that Magic, Bird, and Duncan came into the NBA to teams already on the fringe of being GREAT and these players (Magic, Bird, Duncan) came in and made very good teams GREAT teams, and or DYNASTIES - On The other hand, Michael Jordan and Steph Curry came from bottom feeding organizations, and their dynasty was built from the ground up.
The Dynasty was built by getting Kevin Durant after already having the best record in the NBA. Without KD they CLEARLY could not beat a healthy Cavs team. They would've lost the first time if Kyrie & Kevin Love weren't injured. When healthy they never legitimately beat the Cavs. Without injury or without Kevin Durant they would've been another version of the Utah Jazz or New York Knicks. A great team that never won.
@@str8rippijust say you dont know basketball and you just started watching yesterday.
McCants likes to disagree but can't put together a coherent argument. But, he's entitled to his opinion 😂
Well said fam.
Always never fails 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
11:32 Horrible point.. there was literally a point in time when Gil wouldnt call small scoring guards PGs... AI is a huge part of the NBA teams choosing scoring guards over pure points plus theres been mulitple rules implamented due to AI
No, Michael Jordan was the influence on scoring guards. AI was not that great to warrant the league consider changing how they drafted. He was doing illegal things, so they had to enforce some rules but he was exciting so they loosened the dribbling rules for him and guys like Kobe at the time.
AI was a 2 Guard
No rules were made for AI. But Kenyon is crazy wrong Wilt literally had the most rule changes because of him. Magic had everyone trying to find big pgs.
I love this cause these dudes just be having a normal convo, like some shit they say is outrageous but they being real and I fw it.
Saying Bron ain’t change the game is absolutely insane 😂😂😂😂😂
Lebron was and still is thee most hyped player coming into the NBA of all time and the biggest expectations from a single player of all time and he lived up to it! But how did he change the game?
@@4everoldskool626 He made it worse? The ratings in the '20 Finals was the worst it's been since '78. He undid all of the work that Magic and Bird did in the '80s, and MJ in the '90s.
Remember the "pandemic", and its height in '20, when EVERYONE had to be at home? He's on the Lakers. The LAKERS! The lowest ratings in over 40 years. Lower than the Lakers Finals in '80, the one that was on tape delay. Kareem was their the whole decade, and fewer people wanted to watch HIS greatness, just like LeBron. Isiah Thomas likes ratings losers to be the face of basketball.
@@emmapeel38 my question was, how did Lebron change the game? Or maybe that was from a recent comment. Either way, Im s die hard la fan and basketball player and I guess im interpreted something different than what you just posted. The bottom line is the key to a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP is that you have to have at least a 1, 2 punch and role players to win,
he didn’t change the game tho, choking on his 🥜 the way you are is absolutely insane..😆
He never changed the game like curry did
Bird walk into a 29 win team in Boston. He built that dynasty
He didn’t build it,it was built around him very fast he didn’t have to struggle
His second season they added Parrish,Mchale,kept Tiny Archibald all hall of famers
@@reasedogable after he raised them to a 60+ win team without mchale or Parrish
@@DaGeneral313to be fair he did that but they also traded away and for Teo hall of famers throughout that season before he actually played. The team wasn’t 29 games bad before his player
If I remember correctly “INDIVIDUAL stats NOT team stats or rings should dictate the greatest players” when Gilbert was talking about the hall of fame and top 75.. what happened to that??
He was bugging lol, that def matters but I feel like you have to have a certain individual status coupled with winning to be really certified without doubt
Magic Johnson holds the NBA record for average assists with 11.19 assists per game.
LeBron James 7 assist per game
Steph is not a Pg he's really a Sg by size he's labeled a Pg
Magic is not a pg at all
@@fyntwinben780 He has the highest assists per game average ever. How is he not a point guard?
@datsapaddlin because he's 6'9 nd played😢center at times so we wasn't a true point guard either
@@quentinsowell3704 that doesn’t make sense he ran the offense and led the league in assists multiple times. Steph has never led the league in assists ever. He’s the best shooter not the best point guard.
Lebron has to be the best point
Every now and then Rashad gives some insight into his logic and then you realize how wrong he is and why he's consistently wrong lmao. He's literally saying any opposing point is hating. I believe Steph is the best too but that's not the way you conduct a debate.
He's a dope all in his retarded feelings.
Every episode shows why he only played 7 seasons and wasn’t good 😂😂😂
Yea I felt like Kenyon "this nigga delusional right here"
@@JQUE94when Kenyan said that I just broke down laughing.
McCannts one of them niggas that talks cause he has a mouth lmao. The nigga at the barbershop that says the most outlandish shit. You wouldn’t think he played in the league with most of the stuff he says
Ai changed the game like how harden changed the game. Harden made the 0 step legal, while Iverson made the lifting legal.
Thank you gil
They have their moments when experience gives them great insight and perspective but they often have weird reasoning or criteria for the position they take.
Spot on. This show is entertaining for sure but sometimes their points be ridiculous 😂
Gil consistently shows me no matter how good you are at something personally you can still not know shit about it 🤦🏽♂️
Giving someone a great team, and Maintaining it are 2 different things! Magic maintained that shit. I’m going with Magic.
If u put steph on the lakers be serious bro😂
let's not forget he basically replaced an aging kareem.
@@cameronblake4768Steph wouldn’t play like Steph in the 80s
I like how on the episodes they all might wear each other’s brands that’s fye
They totally neglected Magic mastery of running the offense and setting up open shots which is the main job of a point guard. He was even a terror in transition. He has the stats, the role criteria, the accolades, and the chips… no excuses. I can give Steph #2 but let’s be honest, golden state runs 2 shooting guards and 3 small forwards.
And those stats, accolades and chips are a factor of being given a golden spoon in his rookie year. It required little-no effort for Magic to get those chips with that stacked of a team. Curry was on a garbage team and built the culture himself and every single one of his team mates states that as fact. Magic was gifted chips, Curry earned chips 🤷🏻♂️
He was playing the back to the basket and can’t shoot to save his life he is not the goat point guard
@@TheMedicinalMan the fuck? He scored a triple double in the finals without Kareem. Tell me who else was on the lakers without looking in 79? Man that’s nonsense
You listening to everything this panel saying and repeating this bs when you probably don’t even know the record the year before Magic was drafted. How was he in a golden situation when the team was 47-35 and lost to the SuperSonics 4-1 in the second round? Gilbert and this crew just talking 💩. I’m surprised no one asked this question.
No they didn’t
Gill sounds like a really talented player that never won anything! He's so confident in his takes!
Well he was one of the top players during his time..
He was 100% correct!
Gil was nice, didn't have the best situation which goes to the point of these legends joining already great teams. If Gil was on the lakers with kobe and shaq lakers would've gotten 10 chips 😂
LMAOOOO bro give Gil worthy and Kareem he’s winning 5 rings too 😭😭😭 like wtf Gil was mad nice in his prime
Bro let’s be honest. Gil is not top 10. Not top 20 SGs. Not even top 25. He really buns asf 😂 Gil was stat padding hard asf and y’all know it!
What in the hell. Did they actually criminally underate MAGIC JOHNSHON. AND THEN BIRD!!!!
I respect Gil's POV on Magic, but Magic was a difference-maker. There is some merit that he got drafted to a championship-caliber team, but he was a big reason on what got them over that hump.
What Gil said about magic getting drafted to a dynasty that made the conference finals 2 years in a row is just factually very incorrect! Kareem had been there 4 years before magic got there and made the Western Conference finals 1 time the other years he was swept and gentleman swept out of the first and second round.
Right. He a completely fabricated the Lakers before Magic got there.
WCSF the year before magic got there...i had all my stats down..just talking to fast..53 wins/45 wins/47 wins....then they got magic to take them over the top
The point is that Magic got drafted to a stacked team with Kareem who was the best player in the league at that point and they were extremely privileged to have the number one pick 2 out of 4 years. That could never happen in this era. Imagine Steph got drafted to the Cavs with with Lebron and then 3 years later the Cavs got rights to the number one pick again and drafted Anthony Davis. That team would be unstoppable. That’s the position magic inherited.
But y’all the same who hate on Curry playing with KD. Magic joined a stacked ass team, Steph built is.
His point was they weren’t trash. You know how many greats were drafted to a sorry ass team and never won a ring? Magic got drafted into a team that was already competitive.
If I come to a team that hasn't won yet, I'm not coming into a team that's already a dynasty. I see what Gil is getting at but that's a bit much.
You can argue that a lot of players dont succeed coming into a franchise so you have to credit Magic for that. His enthusiasm and the way he approached the game in that locker room was a game in itself amongst those vets and coaches.
Because most players arent dropped onto a team with one of the greatest to ever play. 🤦♂️
@@thisnewnamesystemisdumb bro I’m talking those that do and fail. Example Jordan Poole. Not comparing play-style just similar situations.
@@lamusic3899jordan poole is a great example of why curry clears magic, shows that anyone can shine on a winning team, take them to a losing one and they lose too. Just like magic wouldve.
I agree this is a conversation that has to be considered for those players that just hop on great teams. Magics first team was crazy
Saying he hop on that team was crazy. He got drafted and they never made the conference finals before magic got there. He missed the playoffs the very next season and they got bounced in the first round. He came back the next post they won the chip. Niggas act like magic pulled a kd
Steph is the best shooter of all time. Gil moving the goal post talking about what team drafted them. Still doesn’t take away from their greatness. They still had too perform…
Rashad McCants with yet ANOTHER trash take.......
He’s terrible
Magic Johnson hands down. Starting a team from scratch I want Magic period.
You’re picking a child groomer
What are you talking about?
Just put up the Nick Young meme every time Rashad says something
So if Magic had no influence why were other teams trying to get big point guards. Gill you said yourself he help create the point forward position.
I love magic but they didn't lie about magic coming into a pretty good team though Hitman bird came on pretty good teams. But he definitely had an impact. But so did Steph Curry. But I am with them though if I'm going to start a team and choose my point guard it's going to be LeBron. He does everything. He passed up two guys that made the Lakers a dynasty Kareem and Magic
So Steph team won 73 games. Lose 3 straight😮 Then gets KD. Why doesn't he bring that up along the Magic, Bird, and Duncan when talking about stack teams. 🤔
We arguing greatest pg not greatest team or greatest career? Keep it to steph vs magic not era vs era or warriors vs lakers
Plus Steph won 2 without kd. I'm tired of people complaining about good team trades lol now look EVERYONE trying to build super teams Lebron included when he was one of biggest critics of those warriors.
@@nicholaswilkerson501he won one legit ring without kd vs a healthy team. He just proved he could win without kd vs a healthy team in 2022
kd was a cheat code . they basically walked to the ring
@@sportstalkonly1442health is part of sports…he won 2 without KD period
Reminds me of when ol boy got that letter from Abraham Lincoln in hateful 8 😂
I agree that adding Magic to the Laker which was pretty much a dynasty already is factor but we not gone act like Steph started to get injured less make the All-Star team every season after Steve Kerr and his system came in in 2014 so would Steph Curry still be him with out that system (rhetorical). Also I credit Steph, Draymond and Klay for the elevation of the Golden State franchise.
They weren’t a dynasty. They were an okay 40 win win team the two years before magic got there.
Gil can’t make that claim and then gloss over LeBron joining the Heat with DWade and Bosh like he didn’t go make a dynasty. It’s at the point right now where this podcast is a broken clock
@@Okieanthe joined Dwade and Bosh who all together had 1 ring at the time. Magic joined kareem who already won 4 MVPs
I agree, man, actually, what's the harder thing to do? Taking over a terrible team or taking over a team. That's already dynastic and incredible before you came there. What's harder taking over as lead singer of the rolling stones or taking or your local bar band? One has a lot more pressure and a lot higher expecpatience l o l
Also what people leavin out is mentality which is half of basketball or any sport, Steph Curry and a few years later Klay Thompson both grew in the NBA lifestyle which is a privilege Magic Johnson and most players or legends don't have
Scottie Pippen is where point/forward comes from but I get what Gilbert saying
Actually Oscar but ok lol
@@TTG06Boy, you know something!
Yup Scottie
The fun fact is steph is watching all of this about the greatest point guard in the nba and he is gonna have the greatest season since 15-16 and he's gonna prove it all
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Nah... Dude like 36 now. Gonna be just like last year
Love Gil's analyses and out the box thinking.
So do I
He’s kinda dumb, and he never has all his facts right because he doesn’t do research.
Analysis that is super wrong lol
revisionist
Gil's full of shit. Bird was handed a shit team, with a 29-53 record. The year he joined, they were 61-21. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978%E2%80%9379_Boston_Celtics_season
Magic played PG his whole career. Lebron did not.
Gilbert Arenas is a jackass.
Heck I was into the Lakers back then and he was correct, Magic was handed an already made team. Norm Nixon, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Jamaal Wilkes, and Micheal Cooper were already on the roster when they drafted Magic. In fact, Magic Johnson said the reason he left Michigan State was because the Lakers had the #1 pick asnd he knew he would go #1. 2 years later they drafted James Worthy is the #1 pick, but he couldn't start because of Jamaal Wilkes, whom had already won a championship with the Golden State Warriors with Rick Barry, so lets keep it real here. It was freaking unfair what the Lakers were doing to the league back then. And by the way, Gilbert Arenas didn't even mention the acquisition of Bob McAdoo to keep the train rolling, a guy that had won 3 scoring titles and an MVP, coming off the bench backing up Kareem. And they still weren't done, they went and acquired Mycal Thompson 2 years after the McAdoo acquisition from the Portland Trailblazers. Thompson during that time was a pretty good basketball player, he matched up against Kevin McHale because they played together in college at the University of Minnesota, and even he came off the bench. But people don't want to talk about that, and that was a stacked team, yet LeBron James gets criticized for stacking the deck. and I'm not even a LeBron guy, I've never been a fan of his. And by the way, the only the Lakers didn't win the chaampionship in 1983 against the Moses Malone 76ers team, was because Worthy had broken his leg that season, Kareem, Cooper and Nixon got hurt, lets keep it real, because that season the Lakers were making a mockery of the league. They were blowing teams out so badly that Kareem and Magic had several games of sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter, because McAdoo and Worthy were killing teams second unit coming off the bench.
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Nobody is saying that lakers team was garbage. They where a good team but that where nowhere near a damn dynasty before magic got there.
Agreed, it’s all the stats, from College to Pro, on the court, off the court, influence on the game, changing the game for the better...influence on kids, impact on life.
“The spurs tanked and got Duncan and became a dynasty again” there was no dynasty until Duncan showed up.
But they were a really good team for years before they got Duncan, if David Robinson never got injured then Tim Duncan wouldn’t have been drafted to the perfect situation.
Magic’s style is far more difficult to mimic than Curry’s. Magic had a level of court vision no one before or after has ever had. The speed at which he processed the floor was almost supernatural. That is something you gotta be born with. Bird has talked about how much Magics passing influenced him to up his game as a passer.
Hell no. Curry style is harder to mimic
Ahhhhh no 😂😂
Ofc he has the vision cuz he is 6'9 dude
Bird, Luka, Penny, and Bron mimic Magic and are 6'7 to 6'9 with vision. Bro, Steph's imitators aren't even close. Tbh Steph's efficiency is arguably the best out of high volume scorers. Steph had more adversities lol. Magic came in with Kareem from the jump.
@@savonsanders3955so Dame and Tre Young not close to Steph?
Fox sports and espn should be cutting gil a check 💰 for giving them all something to talk about.
Gil said it best.. if Magic is considered a point guard, then LeBron is the best point guard to ever play the game
y'all are both clowns actually lol
No he isn’t. Magic literally played the one.
lebron basically plays that he brings the ball us the court not now as much but majority of his career he controlled the ball lebron literally a point forward
He finally roped me in with the LeBron point guard thing. I'd just look at LeBron as the most complete player.
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Gil spends the last few year deconstructing the concept of patterned basketball. But the world gets upset when some non-patterned talk happens on his show.
Neither Gil or Steph said he’s the best floor general.
Funny how when the question is best point guard, then Steph isn’t a point guard. Then when the question is best shooting guard, he doesn’t get mentioned at all
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Traditional floor aren’t usually the best players on championship teams. Dominate bigs and wings (SF/SG) have lead to more championships than traditional point guards.
@@Matthew-xl5bcthere is no such thing as a traditional point guard. Bob Cousy was the first legendary point guard and he led the team in scoring for a title until they got an even more stacked team. Top point guards always score at minimum 18-23 points a game which is a lot.
@@pandabear1576 I agree. Traditional point guards is a myth created by 90s fans. People like the Big O and Walt don't fit the traditional role.
Gil has made a great point in regard to Steph's 4 rings being more impressive because Magic inherited a great team and so did Bird...but if I remember correctly Gil stated that Zeke isn't a great PG...Zeke took a TRASH organization and led them to 5 straight ECF 3 straight NBA finals 2 straight championships...he also came in as a rookie DOMINATING he didn't spend 1 day NOT STARTING in fact he was an All-Star and 1st team all NBA. And this was AFTER winning a NCAA championship as a sophomore without having another teammate that even made it to the NBA. And let's not forget in the last dance MJ even said that Zeke was the all-time 2nd best PG in the NBA even tho he hates him he said he had to respect his talent. Bottom line is for Gil to say Zeke was overrated and not even a top 5 PG he's using a lot of Zekes same accomplishments to say Steph is the best of all-time....Its looking like Gil may be another Pistons/Zeke hater😅😅
He’s always inconsistent and all over the place with his takes. He’s not that bright but he’s entertaining.
Magic didn’t inherit a great team!! They lost in the first round and got gentlemen’s swept the 2 years prior to Magic getting there.. what’s great about that?? That’s calling Philly great today.
These are what you call yes men... They are just letting Gilbert Arenas just chat absolute nonsense and get away with it
Great points , Gil!!!
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We always see Magic around top 5 (sometimes rank 6th or 7th) in most all time GOAT convo and I always see Steph around the lower end of 10 or sometimes outside top 10. Now all of a sudden Steph is greater than Magic when it comes to being a point guard? I just dont get it. Lmao
Holy shit thank you!!!! This was so infuriating 🤣
@@gregharper6382the reason is cause if curry had embid he would win 5-6 chips , that’s basically what happened for magic at the start😊
@@ADN64yes but the Lakers were untested nobody knew that group of guys were going to win, the last the Lakers had won a chip was 1972. Gilbert arenas doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Because scoring is the most important aspect of the game and Steph hasn't even played as many games as Magic but has already moved well past Magic in scoring.
Magic is the best point guard period. This doesn’t even makes since.
Magic ain’t better than bron. At all
Why magic better than lebron ? Has anyone ever even tried to argue that
@@hippieseven5582 bron is a point guard so magic ain’t the best
The Lakers were not no dynasty when they drafted Magic and they had not gone to the WCF the prior 2 seasons. Gilbert got in front of a camera and straight up lied.
The funny thing is, the terms PG, SG, SF, PF and C are just terms made up by sports reporters that did box scores and it was easier for them to keep the books.
Early coaches and teams never used those terms. It was just dudes on the court. The one that dribbled and passed the best was the guy with the ball in his hand
Well, that's how most things happen, when you start to organize...it's pretty standard to give labels
saying Curry had KD like Magic didn’t have KAREEM is ridiculous.
Not really, Steph also had Klay, Draymond and Iggy. Tbh we all know adding KD was straight overkill, he was literally better than Steph the entire time they played together.
@@gamechanger114Magic also had Divac, Worthy, Cooper, Scott and plenty of other above average role players so lets calm down
@@gamechanger114 You can't downplay Showtime by listing what Golden State had. The ONLY reason people dont talk about how stacked LA was is because Boston was almost as good (people say they were more stacked, which is bs revisionist history). Magic played with TWO FMVPs - REAL ones, not FMVPs like 2014 Kawhi and 2015 Iguodala. And to top it off, there were seasons when none of them lead in scoring because of Byron Scott, who honestly would have been an all star if he was on any other team. You dont lead a team with Magic, Worthy and Kareem in scoring if you aren't great.
@@gamechanger114yea but he isn't better when they play against each other so what are we really talking about and Klay and dray wouldn't have been the player's they are today without Steph dray would've still been amazing on defense and Klay would've still been a great shooter but u wouldn't see him dropping 60 on 11 dribbles curry on the other hand came in averaging 17 and coming second in the rookie race
@@jessecrum4361 The only 2 of those guys ever made an All-Star team in their career (Kareem & Worthy). Meanwhile everyone I named Klay, Draymond, Iggy, and KD (4 guys) ALL made All-star teams. Iggy was actually just couple years removed from being an All-Star when he played with Steph, but he managed to win FMVP over Steph while playing with him so there's that. Like I said, adding KD was overkill he was literally the second best player in the entire league and Steph was the 3rd and Klay and Draymond were both top 15. Klay was the 2nd best shooter in the league only behind Steph, and KD wasn't really that far behind either of them shooting-wise too. Draymond was the best defender in the league. Iggy also made All-Defensive 1st team with Warriors as well. I don't know how much clearer I can explain how much "overkill" that Warriors team was when they added KD.
This was one of the best segments of this show since they started. Good work y'all!
I agree
Some Erratic talking points were spewed in this segment. McCants def a weirdo.
if you ignore the fact that every point that gil made was factually incorrect
This is a drunk uncle talking about how he could ball out.
Gil rewrote history a little bit here. The Lakers won 45 & 47 prior to Magic’s arrival. And he mentioned Kareem but in terms of winning Magic resurrected Kareem’s career, 6 championships and 5 of em were with Magic! During their tenure together Magic won 3 MVP’s to Kareem’s 1 and 3 FMVP’s to 1.
Stephen Curry is the Greatest PG of all Time🐐
Bird and Timmy did not inherit great teams with a lot of talent though. Bird rebuilt the Celtics and Timmy replenished a team that was on a downward spiral. In fact when he got hurt in 2000, they did not make it out of the first round and the man got back to back MVPs in the era of Shaq.
bird did inherit a good team but i agree with your point ab tim
@michaelwright6795 that team had won 29 games before Larry and they went to 61 straight away.
Spurs were loaded before Tim got there David Robinson was injured so they ended up taking for Duncan. Then Robinson came back when they drafted Tim.
@@michaelwright6795Tim’s team was good wth u talkin bout
Also Magic was the Finals MVP in his rookie year great team or not. Plus Gil saying Magic walked into a dynasty is bullshit, a dynasty is q multi championship team how many rings with Kareem had the Lakers won before Magic arrived. Gil needs to actually know what he's talking about he just sounds dumb. Also Magic played at point in high school and college. I loved Gil as a player but the way he runs his mouth he sounds like Skip Bayless except dumber.
If you want to say Magic is not a PG then you can say the same thing for Steph. He is not a PG either. We can play and dance all day with these technical points.
And Magic won an NCAA title.. Steph didn’t in college. Yet somehow Steph is better than Magic. Yeah no.
I'd say Steph is close but not over Magic yet. His injury history cost him quite a bit in this debate. Now, if he wins 1-2 more championships? He's got a much better case to be best PG.
Who the fuck ever brings up college achievements in a nba debate?
Yall really believes MJ texted Stephen A at 5AM with a long detailed text about how good another was, again at 5am??? 😂😂😂
NCAA titles mean nothing in the NBA and should never be used in professional discussions.
Gil’s points are valid. Magic had a golden spoon his entire career, his job was not nearly as difficult as other people in the discussion for best PG ever. The difficulty of your path absolutely has an impact on your level of greatness.
The basketball hall of fame is your basketball career not just your nba career
guarding the other's team point guard, shooting guard or what ever should be considered in defying you to be the best at your position
Josiah funny asf for that magic johnson movie theater comment🤣🤣🤣
I’m 28 but I’m old school. I like traditional point guards. I don’t look at curry as a point , he plays off the ball too much imo. Curry the best offensive player in the point guard position but magic is the best pure point. I’m confident magic could of played on any team in his prime and get them to the finals/ playoffs like j kidd , cp3 and lbj have proven. I also think joker is that kind of player aswell but it’s hard to tell because his team is built really well around him
2015+ NBA kinda sucks :/
@@user-cn8nu6lq4wthat's not true. Even if you prefer old school. Nba has more talent then ever. Worst teams still have stars that make them worth watching.
Personal taste, really. It's not that the players don't have talent, it's that the game has gone soft.. and it's pretty much checkers when it used to be chess. @@HermsWorldWide
Basically Magic, Bird, Duncan is the real meaning of being 1 player away from a dynasty.
That was an excellent argument by Gil 👏
If you consider an excellent argument making things up and then basing your argument on it, sure.
Allen version changed the game with the AI crossover
This is one of the worst debate I have ever heard man.. it’s disgusting 😭
Haha steph the best
@@SergiosFitness_I disagree
It’s disgusting what Magic did to his son he deserves to be in jail such a terrible father Magic isn’t top 10 all time
@@JudgementDayisBetter ???
Basically, we need a stat that shows who facilitated better over the course of their careers. They both facilitate in different ways.
“New media” giving “old media” some topics for they shows now lol
AI changed the game his skill set was next level. Who doesn’t that crossover move, foot work and shooting.
That my favorite player of alltime! I tell people “That’s my 🐐”, and they look at me crazy…lol.
I fw Gils point on the point gaurd of all time. Inherenting a team is something.
That McCants just likes to argue bro jesus...
LeBron is the GOAT 🐐
Pass me some of what you’re smoking
@Chris-ti3gq that's Crack bro 😂😂
@@PGKING911 🤣 shit nvm I’ll pass. MJ is the goat all day 6-0
Why does Rashad mccants look like he’s back in 2005 😂
Mane I wanna be on some of these debate shows cus some of the points Gil was making I would’ve easily countered.
I’m glad Gil said it. Bucks, Celtics , pistons, and lakers had literal super teams for that time
Since when bucks had a literal super team lol
@@mambawatts go look at the roster sir ,
If two all stars and deep role players (those Bucks teams) is a super team, half the league is currently a super team
ARGUMENT don't work since half of stephs rings were superteamed
Also those superteams in the 80s had to play each other to win titles. So it's even
@@IknowMoreThanYouthey drafted the super team. That’s called good management
Reigniting and Ending are two different things..period. MJ Is The GOAT.
Magic, Oscar, Steph
That wasn’t the argument buddy 🤣🤣🤣 get Mj 🍆 out yo mouth
It wasn't mimic after magic because like you said earlier he is one of. 69 players were not even thinking about becoming point guards. In the era of the bigmen
Magic won in high school, college and NBA. He was a winner no matter where he was at. Love Steph and agree that his play changed modern basketball, but what Magic was to the league and what he did with the team he was drafted to is completely undeniable.
And to say Magic didn't influence players: Penny, Steve Smith (before being moved to the 2), C Webb (power forward with PG skills), Ron Harper, Ben Simmons (before the mental breakdown), LeBron (as Gil stated Magic game with Jordan ability), Lonzo and D'Angelo (ironically two Lakers #2 overall picks).