Optimizing Audyssey Room Correction & New Updates
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- Room acoustics have a great impact on the home theater listening experience. Based on a decade of university research, Audyssey developed advanced room correction technology that automatically calibrates any home theater to deliver optimum performance. Join Sound United, Audyssey, and industry experts to discuss what it takes to get the best results from the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app and recent updates that will make the system even better.
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It sure would be nice if the Curve Editor allowed us to modify one curve, then choose which speakers we want that curve applied to. Doing it for each speaker separately is a pain
If you want to more precisely change curves in the mobile app , try an accessibility feature of your mobile OS to zoom in. Android has a triple tap to activate, after you turn on the setting.
Would love a tutorial on when to use custom curves/why/when/etc
This was super helpful,
Thanks guys
2:46 exactly! keep it where it matches the original reading. if it's off the mark by 1.5Khz, turn the mid-comp setting off and use the editor put it were it should be
my living room setup all hit right on 2khz except for the center which is off by .8khz
We should be able to show the measured response in the curve editor so that we can follow it for both MRC and to maintain the same levels. Otherwise we have to make an educated guess as to whether we are making the speakers brighter or not, something that should be avoided most of the time. Maybe even a button "fit to measured response" to trace it for us.
I’ve gotten great results via XT32 with limiting the correction to 500hz but I also use speakers that are very well engineered and have a phenomenal on and off axis response. I firmly believe a lot of complaints about Audyssey are from users who have lower quality speakers, no PEQ or room correction is going to make a bad speaker sound good.
I have Dynaudio speakers running off mono blocks plus 4 18" Dayton Subs in each corner tuned from a MINIDSP HD2X4 using REW. Audyssey ruins my sound with it's flat curve. I can edit the curve to resemble a Harmon and it starts to sound good again. Like before I run Audyssey. The default curve is terrible for me.
I suspect it's also people who EQ full range when they shouldn't, or refuse to use dynamic EQ with appropriate offsets and instead try to re-create it with a curve, or worse just keep it flat.
Are KEF T series speakers any good? I am currently getting odd results and it piqued my curiosity.
Interesting point about enabling mid-range compensation if the pre-calibration measurements show that the speakers were designed with it in mind at 22:37. Mine look flat there so I disabled it for now.
I love my x3700h, but damn the app is frustrating on a phone. I really want to see UI improvements with the FR editor. Like a pinch zoom with maybe an advanced popup with sliders or wheels like in my music production EQ's.
Would love to see the video about REW wavelets feature. Aligning the mains to subs can be a right pain.
Hi guys. Greetings from Australia. Hope all is well.🇦🇺👍
I am curious about your advice concerning limiting Audyssey to 300 to 500kz. If Audyssey compensates for the room why not allow it to do so across the whole range?
Love your channel.
Stay safe. 🍻😁
Thanks for the great video on Audyssey...
It would nice if someone shows the IDEAL audyssey curves for different speakers in a home theater setup or for stereo setup, for example like preferred curves for front floor stands, small center channel, side and rear channels. There must be some standardization for HT and Stereo setup...
Regards
Dr Suresh
I think in most cases the ideal curve would be flat and limiting eq frequency to something between 200-700Hz depending on your room response, and using dynamic EQ to compensate for lack of bass when listening at reasonable volume. If it's not a movie, use reference level offset to tune it better for the content. I find that very often offset of 10 works well for non-movie content. Note that you still use the "reference" curve in this case but it will be effectively flat as the MRC and rolloff are at frequencies for which EQ is disabled anyway. Flat will ignore app settings and EQ full range to flat, which is often making things worse.
The greatest tech will always fail if a user can't stand using it. The market has spoken. Hire a solid UX developer.
Really enjoyed that, and I have a question, probably for Jeff? Will the new update to Audyssey require new (2022) AVR units to *fully* utilise it? Or will the current models that have XT32 deliver 100% of what this update is bringing us?
Good question, I have a x3500h, can we get the update?
New owner of x4500h here. Question about the curve editor. When implementing a Harman curve on the subwoofer channel with 20 and 55 hz at +6db and 160 hz at 0db, the correction results show that 20 and 55 hz are at 0 dB now downs loping to - 6db at 160 hz. Several forum posters recommend boosting the subwoofer level by 6 dB to compensate for the Target curve being lowered by the Audyssey multi editor. However if I measure with Rew after doing this oh, the bass is up way too much by 10 dB at 20 hz. It seems like boosting the subwoofer by 3 DB is better. What is the recommendation from audyssey for the subwoofer channel after editing the curve?
For the def tech built-in sub situation: is it ok to set them to large AND use the lfe so the surrounds make use of the subs?
When running Audyssey Deos that change the warmth of marantz sound signature
I’m not sure if I missed it but did you guys go over the different Multi-EQ settings?
Gene you wver review the classe amp ?
I'm confused. I have a Denon AVC-X3700H and the $20 MultEQ 1.7.0 app. I hear there's this XT32 $200 app out there (10 times the price) but I can't find it anywhere? The settings in my receiver says XT32 is already activated. Is it built in already?
Gene, are you reviewing the Yamaha A6A ? Thanks..
Since my Audyssey equipped Denon receiver is not new enough to be optimized by the App, I wonder if some type of alternative room correction software exists that could be used. I have an HT-PC for most of my playback content.
Audyssey needs higher resolution in UI, fields to enter numbers, and a PC version. Cause on a phone and even a tablet it's a PITA to edit. If the upcoming 'pro' version has these options i will give Audyssey another chance. Otherwise I'll just turn it off and use minidsp for my channels.
For now, try an accessibility feature of your mobile OS to zoom in. Android has a triple tap to activate, after you turn on the setting.
How do I improve my room correction with acoustic panels and base traps and placement from the results of the Audyssey editor app?
Why can't they enable a copy paste for the curve editor? How can you possibly get all 11 speakers the same if I'm using 11 of the same speakers with my finger. For instance... no way I can get LCR perfectly the same on the editor, so I just don't edit it. It bothers me.
That is an idea. I know they work in speaker pairs. Left and Right are already grouped as "Front" so they share one target curve. "Surround" includes both Left and Right, as does "Front Height", "Rear Height", and "Subwoofer" groups. I'm not sure if center is included in the "Front" group. Maybe they could answer that.
Have a question on calibration for a Marantz 7706 I have 4 crown drive core 2 amps I'm thinking of purchasing this app to help me perform a more accurate calibration. But my main question is do I set the volume (gain) on my crown amps at Hi volume when performing the calibration? This amps are powerful don't want to blow my speakers when the 7706 send those signals through my speakers lol at hi volume please any advice will be appreciated thank you guy's.
But how do you make everything the same on the curve I tried it seems impossible
Am disappointed that audyssey hasnt mentioned any solution to editing the cumbersome curve on a phone,i dont want to buy a tablet just to edit a curve. Also they need to push newer software uodates to audyssey via avr. Its same since the time i purchased my denon
Hey, who do you make these copys of the measurements? I cannot figure it out...
Guys how many seats i have to run aydysey 3 or 8 for best results??? And also if i run 3 seats with only to my seats its gonna be good result or no??? Please little help
If I understood correctly you said to set the desired output on the subs before running Audyssey. However, when I run Audyssey, one of the first things it has you do is set the sub level and it won't let you pass that screen until you do. This requires me to turn down my sub dial to only about 1/4. How do I keep the sub level where I like it (about 1/2) and still run Audyssey after?
You can't. Audyssey will level match your subs.
@@pb24dagrk That's what I thought. But then why are they saying to turn up your subs to the level you want before running Audyssey in this video then? Am I misunderstanding?
@@brandobond I think when Gene says “before doing EQ”, he’s talking about using something like REW for the subs, not running Audyssey.
@@brandobond they're specifically talking about the DefTech speakers, the knob for the bass driver
@Audyssey Laboratories Am I understanding correctly that I should turn down my subwoofer as requested by Audyssey (by turning the knob on the back of it) and then after calibration, increase the bass (if desired) by turning up the sub through the Audyssey software? Thanks.
I get vastly better results by taking very tight measurerments right at the mlp. Just 2" or 3" apart and only a group of 3 total in a small triangle pattern. Maybe this is because I only sit in one spot. I have found a degradation in results and sound quality by taking excess measurements spread out at the recommended 20" distance. This is after a ton of testing and recalibrated.
I can't get Audyssey to link with my Marantz 7013 AVR. Running Audyssey on my laptop with Bluestack Android emulator. Wired to a either net hub.
You commented on DefTech speakers with LFE inputs. Does the same hold true with Golden Ear speakers? Wire them up direct without using the LFE inputs with Denon/Marantz/Audyssey? I have a Denon AVR-X3600H receiver with a complete Golden Ear Atmos system, thanks.
They are companies made by the same guy (also founded Polk), so I assume the tech is similar.
Can't wait for the new 'Pro' offering from Audyssey. However, how the heck do I get the app when I'm out of country?
I updated my phone and have to wait to fly back into Florida to install the App again? Says it not available in the country I'm posted.. Help?!
Try a VPN or proxy server.
So don’t adjust the levels of the speakers with a SPL after audessy ? I am sure gene said before and I believe it says in my denon manual to adjust them to 75 db with a SPL after audessy is ran
No. Audyssey level matches. You can verify with an external source that they are level matched (the internal test tones bypass Audyssey). Keep in mind that don't aim for a specific dB because SPL meters have variances and the sources aren't guaranteed to be accurate. Some are 85dB some are 75dB....the point is to make sure they're level matched. But in my experience Audyssey is accurate anyway.
@Audyssey Laboratories my problem comes when listening to 2 channel audio, when I leave audyssey as is my center image is way off
@Audyssey Laboratories I have Martin Logan esl if that makes a difference
@@dtowntke dipole speakers are more tricky.
Thanks for all the advice! One more question:
My Velodyne DD10 had got AutoEQ that measures using it's own mic running a sweep through the receiver; Should I run it? And if yes, should I run AutoEQ before or after Audyssey?
I would run it before. The closer your FR is to a flat response the less work Audyssey will have to do. I run a MiniDSP HD 2x4HD to four subs and run it before Audyssey as well as the small amount of PEQ I apply via the DSP. Audyssey will also add delay for processing to that sub via the sub distance so I’m not sure if adding additional PEQ after Audyssey would alter the proper delay or not.
@Audyssey Laboratories I am of a different opinion. It is not likely the "Auto EQ" on the sub is using FIR filters or an averaging technique, so Audyssey would be superior in most cases.
@@matsudakodo That is an interesting point. I always wondered what is better - Use Audyssey for its filters and then do what Audyssey failed to do with the minidsp, or do it the other way around? I couldn't find clear answers about what is better.
As for averaging technique, I think you can do it with minidsp/REW as well?
takes about 5 min to upload curve to my receiver denon avr x3300W
one question i did not understand clearly - is the custom curve u created in the app is applied only in "reference" not "flat" setting in your receiver ?
I really wish someone could answer this one. I have asked this question before but it never gets answered. I’ve heard if you change it from reference to flat it basically removes all of the adjustments audssey did as well and any changes you make in the app including the curve editor.
@@tomninos thats right
On the top of my wishlist would be some form of quick measure to help position the speakers/subwoofer pre-calibration, warning if your microphone's initial position isn't dead-center (equal distance and level for left/right speakers) so that if you wish you can re-do that critical first measurement without re-running the entire calibration procedure, and a way to restart a measurement in case of unexpected background noise to speed things up (rather than having to let the measurement finish, finish uploading results, and only then re-run it). Lastly a better way to set the subwoofer distance for best integration with the speakers would be lovely, although I understand this might be difficult to do.
Also, measurements from Amir in ASR show that the "after" is complete fantasy, so I'm not sure where the "it's real" is coming from. I find it impossible to believe that it's possible to achieve such a flat response with any system (and while in some extreme odd cases the "after" isn't flat, in the 99% other cases it appears unrealistically perfectly flat).
I also wonder why the limiting of EQ frequency was completely ignored in this video, while in other Audioholics videos it's mentioned as a very important feature.
Please get rid of the 20 ft speaker difference limit.
Hi everyone I'm running a dennon 4500 on a 9.1 set up I've used the calibration tool and app and am still really struggling to understand the mine field of options to fine tune my set up.is there anyone out there who I can email my Audyssey settings to please im from the uk and have messaged a lot of people with no joy ,hope someone can please help
How many data points can you add to the FR editor before it craps out? Since the files it outputs are human readable theoretically one could add 19,980 but obviously adding that many with a touch screen would be unfeasible and would look horrendous. My main idea is if you know the anechoic frequency response of your speakers you create target response based on that so knowing if you could do a 1 to 1 target response or if some form of averaging (logarithmic or linear) would need to take place in order to fit within that sort of window.
Also you know the solution to your problem is crap is to spend an extra $200+ on a tablet just to use an app.... Or hear me out, you could just not make the app suck to use with a phone. On top of what Joe S and Jason Moore said it'd like the ability to click an advanced button on the FR and it brings you to a screen where all the data points are there and you can type in exactly where you want them and what gain they should be. Being able to just type a number makes your life so much easier otherwise it needs non-linear touch points so that way you can drag quickly for big changes but slowly for minute changes.
Or just let us export the raw data they are using and plug it into a third party program where we can put in our speaker parameters as well
You guys keep talking about setting your crossovers. But, I've read so many things online that, post Audyssey calibration, you CAN increase crossovers and speaker "size" but you CAN NOT decrease crossovers if Audyssey set them too high because it will create a "hole" in the EQ/sound. Is there any truth to this? I'm getting a lot of conflicting opinions. And yes, I get that Audyssey sets a crossover based on it's measurements of the room and speaker, and that dropping it is not always a good idea. But if I know a speaker can handle a lower xover, I want to be able to without ruining the EQ. Thanks!
i used to love all the room adjustments...until now i dont....I hate 75hz measurements....I have a huge space
I absolutely can't take 8 measurements, the room is too small it's a 2 person 12x12 room. Is it ok to put the mic on some books if I don't have a stand? I'm using an old model, the x5200h sounds great, I've been tweaking it for 6 yrs!
Each successive measurement should not be further than 2 foot/24" away from the first position.
Phil needs to let Jeff talk.
was expecting more on how to use the app and less on how it's built.
why not show the basics of use - then add the options.
What if you don’t have a dip in 2k need the mid compensation on or off
If you don't have the dip, then turn off mid range compensation.
Real question is why do I need to buy a 20 dollar app after spending thousands on a receiver
Especially when the app has so little functionality. No ability to manually edit entry points. No ability to copy curves. No PEW.
Well you just proved you can afford it! ;)
@@georgespiggot8502 it does allow you to copy curves. On the ipad it is not so hard to adjust the points on the curve. use a mouse connected to the ipad to help if you need to. If you copy the curve to google drive you can open the file with notepad and find the points you put in for each speaker and then type the numbers the exact way you want for each point if you require exact precision.
After Audyssey is ran don't calibrate to 75db, because it effect Audyssey calibration? Jeff said it shouldn't matter, but all pink noise is not the same. So I assume if you're using Audyssey's built in pink noise it should be fine to level match speakers to 75db?
@Audyssey Laboratories we should add a note about Dynamic EQ and its effect on surround and height channel levels. When you lower the volume, your surrounds and rear heights will not reduce as much as your other channels, resulting in them being 3-5 dB louder than they should be, creating an imbalance. Since I am an advocate of DEQ and suggest leaving it on, I suggest using white noise from the Dolby Atmos speaker test videos to level-match your heights and surrounds to your fronts. Leave the fronts alone, however. This is actually an aspect of DEQ that I would like to see improved because out of the gate with DEQ on, the speakers are out of balance.
The dynamic EQ sounds good for bass but it makes the rest of the sound, sound horrible especially in music
Why did Audyssey set my speakers +9db ? This doesn't sound right!
@audioholics @Gene Have you ever considered doing an A/B test of SACD 5.1 playback DSD-Direct/Pure Audio mode vs. Audyssey enabled to see how effective your room treatment is on real world listening tests vs. all the graphed measurements telling you Audyssey will tighten up timing alignment issues of analog only modes? If Audyssey manipulates Oppo DACs and the like signals to be room corrected, isn’t it effectively doing near identical timing correction for AVR built-in DACs?
should of told him they need to separate the dynamic EQ effects bass, heights, and surrounds
Audyssey app keeps crashing please fix
Apparently it's been like this for years, it's the reason I won't pay £20 for it.
Late to this discussion but trying to educate myself before setting up my 3700h
Once you run auddysey and apply the settings can you rerun the test to see the results in comparison to before the recommended settings were applied
So as to see how close it got to the target results or are the results in red actual results after it applied changes
Iv'e been using Audyssey from 2EQ to XT32 through about 5 years. Now I'm waiting for D&M to adopt Dirac like Pioneer & Onkyo. They have to adopt or else they will be left in the dust. My 2021 Denon x3700h will be my last Audyssey product. I already have my eye on a future Pioneer...
Dirac is full of bugs. Audyssey just works, if you understand how to measure correctly. Dynamic EQ is also exclusive to Audyssey, no other room EQ's have this kind of feature which is nuts
@@droidzhunterz6861 Don't get me wrong, I love Audyssey and it's excellent. But moving to the more advanced software would be a wise choice if the other brands are going there. Audyssey has been one of the best for years and it's exclusive to D&M. When the other brands hold the Dirac card over Audyssey they can advertise their products to have the most advanced room correction software available. I have never heard of Dirac being buggy (ARC, yes) but if it is then maybe they are waiting for the bugs to be ironed out.
They don’t need to adopt newer tech as long as Audyssey advances. More filters/correction, better default curve, and more advanced app.
@@homeboi808 Well, a while back I did contact Audyssey about future upgrades and there are no plans to add more filters/ correction. I did not ask about better default curve or a more advanced app. But, Andrew Robinson just dropped the first review for the Onkyo RZ50 and it's astonishing for under $1500. Personally, I am waiting for the Pioneer AVR's to drop but this is already more than promising.
@@UpgradingAsUsual Well, if Denon loses out on customers because they are going to Onkyo solely for Dirac, then Denon will put pressure on Audyssey.
Audyssey needs a lot of work in my opinion. Hope they add a lot of capability with the update.
I purchased the app and promptly obtained a refund because, before using it, I had to give permission for it to use my Contacts, Photos, and Media ??? an amazing privacy risk. I noticed no warnings or reasons why in the Play Store. There may be acceptable reasons so I asked the developer 5 days ago, but no reply yet (3rd July 2023).
I have all (except the center TV panel-as-a-speaker ) speakers with flat fr. and phase responses and time-aligned drivers, plus anti-diffraction-distortion design, and the mains have excellent Power response /off-axis. SO, I figure I can run the Audyseey system in the AVR, then use its values as a guide for tweaking of responses above 500Hz, levels, xovers, etc.
From what I gather, this should be quicker and easier than using the app too. Have I missed anything, please?
As my mains are -3dB at 25Hz, I have a 5.0 system i.e. no sub
Here we are, one month later, and still no reply from the developer about the privacy.
Reviews say the app is garbage! Garbage should be free...
If I get the audyssey app on my iPad, how does it connect to my demon 3400 avr?
@Audyssey Laboratories thanks. So what i want to do is soften the highs in the center speaker cause i have a klipsch rp450c and the highs are not soft. So i figure i should lower the high frequencies on the center speaker in the app. Will that fix my problem?
I have absolutely no idea what you just said….. 🤦♂️
So I shouldn't set my speakers to small if audyssey sets them to large? I don't think my speakers will play the same spl as my subwoofers.
Yes. Subwoofers play lower frequencies better. Use Small.
Large means your subwoofers won't be used for music. Subs are better and receive more filter resolution according to this video.
While Audyssey measuers how low your speakers can go, it doesn't measure how well they can play those low frequencies compared to your subwoofer, and therefore manual adjustments of crossover after audyssey are almost always needed.
I also noticed that you usually also need to tweak the subwoofer distance, as the timing audyssey uses doesn't guarantee avoiding phase cancellations between subwoofer and speakers at the crossover frequency. Making an automatic solution that optimizes integration between subwoofer and speakers might not be simple, although I wish they could figure something out as this (currently manual) change makes a very significant difference.