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Tear-Down: Nitro+ OC Sapphire RX 5700 XT - Thermal Design & Assembly
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2019
- We're taking apart the Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ OC video card, the highest-end RX 5700 XT that we've yet looked at.
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In this tear-down and disassembly of Sapphire's RX 5700 XT Nitro+ OC video card, we'll look at build quality, thermal design and cooler characteristics, ease-of-maintenance, and other key aspects of the Nitro+ card.
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Great vid, ty. Minor point: I believe it would be pronounced TriXX as in "Tricks", yes?
Just a heads up might be nice to post the smaller fan model number too.
The back of the calipers is used for measuring inner diameters.
I would just love to have that card.. Amazing.
Looks like AIB partners investing in great pcb/cooling solution since it will be used in RX 5800/5900, who knows maybe RX 5800 GPU will be just a drop in in those big cards.
Sapphire: We installed full-size termopads.
MSI has left the chat.
Sapphire: We installed fuses also.
MSI has left the planet.
lmaooo
Sapphire nitro+ cards always look great and have a great build quality
There's a reason they get called the evga of amd, just consistently good products you can trust.
@@waking00one My Sapphire 290x is still going strong.
I have a Rx580 Nitro+ and looks great and fits my black and silver build perfectly
@@waking00one consistently good except the cooling solutions on the rx 400 cards. those were terrible
@@jmandameloya i have the same rx 580 i love it
9:39 Most stainless steels have an austenitic structure due to their high nickel content making them non-magnetic. The more basic stainless steels have a ferritic structure and are therefore magnetic. As a result using a magnet to tell the difference between aluminum and stainless isn't very effective.
nice
Knowledge bomb.
true but the non-magnetic stainless steel is more expensive so no-one in their right minds would use it. He could just scratched it or use density but it is pretty clear just by eye it is aluminium, not even zinc die-cast which would still be possible;p
@@St0RM33 pretty much all industry uses non-magnetic SS. Like about 90%
Nice write up.
Picking it up would instantly tell. IIRC Aluminium is 1/3rd the weight of steel.
Nice to see underneath the card, I'm getting mine delivered later today, so excited
Nice one. I'm getting Pulse in 3-4 hours.
How'd you get it so quick? I bought as soon as I got the nowinstock alert from NewEgg and mine doesn't get here til Monday. NewEgg is like $8.50 for 4 or 5 day shipping.
@@praetorxyn Paid for 2 day shipping, was like $1.50 over 3 day price
That's REALLY impressive design to be honest
The only company that think not from only marketing and visual side, but also from engineering point of view.
That's rare sign sadly. I wish more companies would see graphics cards and peripherals in same way as Saphire.
Fin Heatsink for memory cooling!? Epic! Great work Sapphire!
IKR
Imagine a heatsink like that on a mainboards VRMs
@@MazeFrame That imagination already came into play mate. Check out X299 DARK.
@@HectorDomino. its also on Aorus X570 Master
That appears to be a really damn well made card. Exciting to see high quality Radeon cards coming out again.
It's only nine months since I replaced my 2500k with a 2700X and 1050ti with a Nitro RX590, so I will hold off on this card until they come down in price (unless something better for the money comes out in the meantime). My 2700x is damaged, so I just replaced it with a 3700X. I am really impressed with it. Low TDP, good price and plenty or horsepower.
I play an indie space game called X4 Foundations that has performances issue as the game goes along. Once lots of ships and space stations get built the map mode and 3D first person view get bogged down to really low FPS. In my mega space factory complex I was getting 12 FPS in map mode (CPU bottleneck develops as the game progresses. 60-110 is normal FPS for me when starting the game). I thought I would only get a few percent improvement from the 3700X in those really demanding sectors of X4 space. I am getting up to 100% better FPS and around 30% average. The 2700X is a decent CPU for the money. The 3700X is very decent.
Only issue i am having is that the latest B450-F Strix bios is a little finicky trying to boot the computer. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. The memory warning light for the Trident DDR-3200 comes on. Reset and it boots into Windows and everything is as it should be with ram speeds etc. Today I will clear CMOS to see if it sorts it out. AMD are a small company compared to both Intel and Nvidia. Hopefully now they are growing they will invest in hiring people to help improve the software that supports their hardware. Their driver software looks really nice, especially compared to that horrible old Nvidia driver app, but it does not always work well (the worst software I have had over the years has always been Asus motherboard utilities. Bloody awful, but I stick with them because so far an Asus board has never failed on me. Before the Z-68 board I had ten years of motherboards popping capacitors and dying).
After more than 3 years I'm finally buying one. The prices are great now. Thanks for the video!
The fan connectors are amazing, that makes maintenance much easier!
I really would like to see if they ever make a motherboard. Imagine a high end x570 from sapphire. Like hot dam
Cool dam*
If they made one, I bet they'll use passive chipset cooling with real fins. Or maybe a semi-passive design with real fins and a replaceable fan. One can dream.
That cooler is a really well thought out design.
18:40 vertical fins in are better, because the length of the card is longer than the height of it there is more space for the air to come out
Thats why this guy doesn't work for sapphire
The magnetic test for stainless steel is not a good test stainless steel. It can be made non magnetic and magnetic. Your best bet might be by weight.
Density really doesn't work to distinguish steels: there are too many alloys and heat treats. But you are right that some stainless will still attract a magnet.
Gavin Johnson lower quality stainless is slightly ferromagnetic
@@endmymisery3623, not always. 400 series SS are commonly magnetic with a couple of exceptions.
Gavin Johnson what the fuck are you smoking? heat treat has nothing to do with density. Alloying can _technically_ change the density, but with steel you're never going to see more than a few % of alloying elements by weight which would translate to single digit percent differences in density between steels. It's not that there are too many alloys but that the differences in density are so narrow as to be almost impossible to measure accurately. even with something as simple as low carbon to high carbon steel, the difference is only 0.3% more carbon in the alloy. unless you're looking at something like inconel vs cast iron then an entry-level scientific scale and graduated cylinder wouldn't even be accurate enough to register a difference between two alloys of common steel.
The quality or grade of stainless affects its magnetism, AvE has tons of videos talking about different metal alloys in his BOLTR series of videos.
You guys have set the benchmark for tear-downs. Excellent video as always!
The back of the calipers is used for measuring inner diameters.
i believe he was measuring the fan diameters itself and not the inner diameter from the board
I nocired that the Tech JESUS hair had to take a closer look at the back side mosfets too ;)
Funny that you went to get a ruler to measure the cooler instead of using the one printed onto the modmat. Great stuff as always, thanks guys!
Got this card... on Silence Bios is does 2000mhz core clock and 925 on the Mem
Undervolted it to 1050mV in Wattman and it uses 170 Watt max in Benchmarks.
Temps are around 60/63 c.
Made a custom fancurve starting at 28% and max 35% fanspeed. (fanstop off)
Going for a Waterblock soon !!!!
I love this card.....
Greeeetz from the Netherlands
Brett from ufd tech needs our help! Sorry to comment on other pages but it's time for the community to come together!!! #SaveUfdTech
We need to spread the word. This Community is great and Im sure we will be able to help them #ufdtech
Hello, great turorial. I do have a question, what type of thermal pads do you recomand ? Grizzly or nKomax ? And what thickness? 1.5 or 2mm?
Thanks ! :)
Please never stop the teardown videos
The replacable fan also makes it a lot easier to get the dust off the card. Remove the three fans and you get much better access to the heatsink while you can easily clean the fans. Unfortunately where I live the retail does pricefixing, you still pay €480 for a simple Sapphire Pulse while you pay €410 for the reference-card. Allegedly the suppliers/distributors put pressure on the retail to keep the prices high and they keep it just that high that it is not less expensive to buy it from Germany and pay an additional $25 transport cost. The Nitro is not really deliverable yet here in Europe but the price seems to be going to be equal to that of the Asus Strix, around €550, a €140 markup compared to the reference-card. :/
@14:46 HAIR IN THERMAL PASTE!!!
I looked the fans up for the Pulse last time. Sapphire fans are pretty easy to get on the secondary market.
I hate mine lol, mine always overheats. Strangely, when I repaste it, it runs good, then a week later it starts overheating again. Fans are all working, I got good airflow, nothing seems to be loose, etc. Pretty sure I bought a bad used card. My old STRIX GTX 1080 used to never get above 70C even when OC. Now this card gets to like 80C core and always thermal throttles since it hits 110C junction. I've asked forums, looked it up on google, can't find any info on why it does it. The memory and other portions of the card run nice and cool however.
I have the same issue, have you found any resolutions? are you repasting and thermal pads or just paste?
Sapphire is one of the best companies for AMD/Radeon GPUs
Yep, still rocking a Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC, this is going to be my next card I think, unless the RX 5800 and above cards are good enough value when they come out.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE r9 280x vaporx tri-x owner here. My card still is an amazing performer and let me play control on mid-high settings in playable fps just because of the extremely generous overclocking headroom. I might be upgrading to the 5700xt nitro soon though.
@@rheeko2119 Yep I'm in the same boat here... can still play most games at high-ultra settings at 1080p 60fps, probably my 8 year old Intel Xeon x5675 6 core/12 thread beast overclocked to 4.2ghz on all cores helps out too haha...
The only reason I am wanting to upgrade is for productivity purposes and anticipating a leap in gaming technology when the next generation of consoles come out. But I will keep this system and put it into a smaller case for LAN/backup PC purposes as it still is extremely capable.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE I'd assume that even a ryzen 3600 would still be a massive leap in terms of productivity for you, compared to an 8 y/o xeon, but I'm pretty sure that a 290x could still carry the workloads of mainstream gaming for at least 2 more years to come
@@rheeko2119 Yeah, it'd be an ok upgrade. But I am getting 995 CB RR15 on my 8+ year old x5675 overclocked to 4.2ghz on all 6 cores/12 threads. I'm waiting for the 10th gen Intel 18 core/32 thread
CPU's coming in a few months to upgrade personally...
Thank you for going all the way and showing how to take the shroud off too. Mine wouldn’t come off for some reason, think I was doing the wrong screws. It’s like 1-2mm too big with my distro block. Thinking of shaving down the plastic.
Thanks for the video! Did a repast after 1.5 years. It was quick and painless.
I would recommend people to start doing it as my thermal paste was very dry and patchy
Did you change the thermal pads? If so, what was their thickness?
Thanks
@@EralexPro nah I didn't, but maybe 1-1.5mm? Don't take my word for it. I think he mentions that in the video?
Im spanish so if he mentioned it i probably missed that part but thanks for your answer 😉
I'd always prefer sapphire cards over other amd partners because of their simplicity and transparency. They tend to be a bit more expensive, but they are high quality. Plus I like the design.
Steve, where is the 5700 Red Dragon tear-down??
Anyone else listen to this sort of thing in the morning before school?
Sapphire always makes the best cards.. they have been my go to manufacturer since 2002 when the Geforce 3 Ti 500 was the last Nvidia card I had bought. In that time I once tried a XFX card but it never measured up to any of the sapphire cards I had bought so I just wrote that off as a mistake.
Xfx made good geforce cards though even into circa 8800 gt era. Later on they were amd.
Bit of additional info re the fans. They are designed to be swapped easily and you can actuallly buy an led fan kit from sapphire to bling it more if you want (similar to a sepcial edition they have.) There's even a fan health test in the Trixx app. Love my Nitro+, great performance/noise/heat balance with the option to OC higher if you want to.
What's the ram/vrm pads thickness?
why don't you use the I.D. teeth of the caliper?
The VRM heatsink is a thing of beauty!
Can Sapphire please start making desktop mainboards again?
again? the did that beofore?
@@stonedtaka6057 actually yes. The last board they made was for AM3. They stopped making boards because they wanted to focus solely on GPUs. Also because there were too many other Manufactures already in the game.
You can actually just buy these fans from them directly, they are relatively cheap. Have a look at their website: www.sapphiretech.com/en/accessories/nitro-gear-accessories
Love the year down Steve. Just one thing, Limited Edition Red and Black Mod Mat and mouse pad? Please lol ✌️🇨🇦
Sapphire are great and it's the only AMD i would buy :) Had one and was great HD 7770
that's what I thought, not the software thing, but the bios that were actually the same, and the software activation is pretty cool you have both of them that you can change anything time
Any chance for a review/tear-down on Power Color Red Devil RX 5700xt?
LOL basically impossible to get one of them right now, apparently until beginning of October...
Why does his have a white backplate or does it just look like it in the video. Because mine has has a greyish silver back plate
This thin stack orientation is great for cases that have a side fan mount, like my old cougar challenger (waiting for review).
Let's raise more awareness for UFD Tech, he needs all the help he can get right now
I used to sort the stainless from the non-stainless steel by checking if it was ferromagnetic and 95% of the stainless wasn't even slightly magnetic so I wouldn't use that as a way to tell between stainless and aluminium, checking the resistance with an Ohmmeter would be more accurate.
Just got one of these used for $100. Huge upgrade from my 1060 3gb
RX 5700 XT is a good name, no wonder people are so interested. Like the 8700k, and the Interl *700 series. for some reason, it drags ya in.
I think the old Radeon HD 7990 might still be my preferred implementation of a tri-axial GPU cooler. That thing was just so dense. Great fin density, great heatpipe density, great fan density, and it still thermal throttled pretty hard.
Sapphire Nitro+ = Guaranteed fuses both from PCI-E connectors and pci-e slot, nice multi-layer pcb with high quality components,
and better cooler (easier to keep temps enough low to avoid throttling).
will a pc 4.0 gpu be compatible with older mobo like a b450 tomahawk or would I need to buy a 3.0pci gpu instead
It will.
Of course
Очень подробная разборка системы охлаждения. Как раз то, что искал, спасибо.
What is the thickness of the thermal pads on mems?
Dear Steve, I want to ask you something you didn't mention here. What's the thickness of the thermal pads used? Would a washer improve the Mounting pressure improving the cooling? Thanks you
So close to buying this rn but if im being honest im not really playing games that need a graphics card. Currently running a 2400g and its more than capable of running GTA V. If the price drops from £449 to £400 i'll probably go for it. The AsRock 5700 xt taichi looks pretty good too buts £490 , 2070s territory.
What are the screws for the fans? I may have to replace mine as they threaded down while i tried to replace the fans
People 4 years later considering switching out their thermal paste, watching this video
The only thing I wanted to see that you didn’t do was to see if the silver half can be separated from the black half of the shroud to see if I could remove the silver part without removing the fans from the card. It’s ever so slightly too wide.
Will there be thermal temps stock paste vs Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Grease Paste video?
Thanks for the review. I had a rx 580 nitro and it ran louder and hotter than an msi gaming x r9 390 . I couldn't even touch the clocks or voltages of the sapphire card or else it'd crash. Great review but I think I'd chose powercolor from now on.
ROG Strix just launched on Newegg today, I hope you will take the time to review it! It looks like it has an absolutely INSANE custom pcb, possibly making the $60 premium worth it?
Asuscrews up.
it seems VERY well constructed.
Steve why did you not about the smaller middle fan running clockwise to ensure optimal airflow as the other 2 fans run counterclockwise?
Can you do an episode with Flashing the 5700xt Anniversary Edition bios onto the 5700 xt?
I've tested 2 Sapphire Nitro+ OC and the second one heat a lot less than the 1st, and works better, any clue ?
Luck of the draw. No 2 of anything are exactly the same. The components may be made of the same material, but those materials are not even close to being the same, if that makes anysense. Stainless Steel is Stainless Steel, but no two pieces of Stainless Steel are exactly the same.
I really wish more people would use thermal imaging to capture the coolers performance in action as Guru3D.com does.
Doesn't the (I don't know the term for it) magnetic properties of stainless steel change depending on the amount of iron in the steel ? Sometimes it is magnetic and sometimes it's not. How can one distinguish between non magnetic stainless steel and aluminum?
I think it depends on how it was formed. Forged/extruded/stamped and how it cooled. If I recall work hardening (beating it with a hammer can make non conductive stainless conductive.
Aluminum is less dense, so it will feel a bit lighter.
I have the same card model but it's doesn't have this 2 piece's radiator is have in one ? You now why ?
I’ve got one getting delivered today pretty excited
:O
you didn't get the model number for the smaller fan!
tut tut tut ;P
I feel like I might wanna make custom water-cooling with cheap components for my Gpu but also looking at it no way without little breaking sides of cooling part.Also it would look so messy without some 3d printed units. If I feel like I buy ek watercooling part. Also It seem like you could also just remove back side and add some abb cooling ram heatsink to improve with thermals.
This VRM is more efficient that on the Red Devil 5700 XT?
what did you use as a new thermal paste when you reassembly?
This thing sold out within minutes of being listed on Newegg
Great performance and I like the design. Win/Win
Steve can you comment what that little monocular looking device you were using to read the components was? I'm legally blind so if they aren't too expensive I may buy something like that for similar purposes.
try to always give the mm thickness of the pad on the PCB
after seeing how well made that card is, i'm even more disappointed, that sapphire made the choice to ditch one DP for a second HDMI.
I'm glad they did, good decision Sapphire.
@@NoiSyGuitarMaNiaC agreed
Best method to check if it's SS or Aluminum is to test it with a XRF Analyzer.
15:10 what's the thickness of the thermal pads?
Is definitely want to see how far you can push the Nitro+. I've had better oc luck with sapphire cards.
I remember back in the HD 5000 series days I could get 25-35% oc but only on sapphire cards
are the rgb diffusers on the backplate removable? been trying to find out as i'd like to paint mine white. thanks in advance!
I put that bios on my Sapphire Rx 5700 nitro...Crazy fps boost
The rgb on mine stopped working. Is there a way to fix it or should I return it? I still have waranty
any solution? i have the same issue right now...
@@oguzbalcik no, couldn't find any solution...
Would there be a way to incorporate the heat sink that stayed behind on pcb in a water block?
I bought thermal grizzly paste because of this channel and since TH sponsors Gamers Nexus.
reminds me of my vega 64 nitro+. very similar design - in many ways the same
I just bought this card for my first pc build. I chose this card based on your review video saying it had the best thermals. But as you said here the stock settings aren't optimal. Do you have a video showing how to optimize the card for better thermals?
i have this card looking to water cool it im looking at a lot of waterblocks none say compatable
is there a video or state sheet when stock paste vs thermal grizzly paste?
on all rx navi cards?
I have a question, so I watched your video of the reference 5700XT. Well, I bought a reference 5700XT at Microcenter for $339.99 ($366 after taxes), it was an open box return. The card works good, and the box wasn't missing anything. My question is, should I keep the card? Or will the high temps you talk about really bad? Should I return it and just get a AIB card? Only reason I didn't buy an AIB card there was because they only had the Gold MSI card, and I didn't really like the aesthetics. Plus this card was cheaper than the Non XT model. Anyways before I drag this along, am I missing out on anything?
When this card was able to use the RTX lighting on games like Metro, I would instantly buy it. This card looks really nice, has great quality components and is easy to service. Damn it Sapphire!
@ 23:17 can a liquid aio be mounted there?
Hey Steve, how is it going?
I wanted to ask if you have thought about doing a video flashing an RX 5700 into an RX 5700 XT now that you have some AIB cards with better cooling.
Thanks!
Any idea if Arctic Cooling Extreme IV cooler will fit with the memory/Vrm baseplate?
Hey Steve, i appreciate your effort at GN. Could you please give me an advice because the rgbs are not working right now on this card. i mean both of them (logo and led strip) is there any chance to reset them? i'm %90 sure it is not because of hardware, because that rgb's went off when i was using msi mystic software...
i even formatted windows btw...
Try Sapphire Trixx to mod the RGB
@Gamers Nexus Steve, I'm looking to connect the Nitro ARGB header to the ARGB header mobo but I don't have any luck doing that. My mobo is X570 Aorus Elite from Gigabyte and I checked that is +5V,Data,No-Pin,Gnd arrangement.
Do you might know what arrangement does the header have for this graphics card?
Thank you, this vid made my choice and 5700xt .