Vienna's Confusing Tram Numbering System Explained
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- How Vienna came to its confusing tram line naming system.
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Im from Vienna and I was never confused by this... now I am because I thought about it....
i am from leobnitz and honestly, vienna scares me, and graz and linz and litterly any bigger city. Whetever it is driving or going by tram, I always miss atleast one stop or drive down the wrong road
Ich auch
raf
@@visionizer what?
Ich hab mir noch nie gedanken über das gemacht hahah
well at least they numbered the subway in order...... oh wait
Yeah, why is there no U5?🙄
@@peterbezak5204 It was planned at the same time as U6 but couldn't be built.
In 2021 the U5 will finally open though. This time for real.
@@peterbezak5204 they are finally digging it. it was planed a long time ago but the 43 tram was still enought. now not any more.
dont_mess with_me being built right now
@@manuelrapold8287 No, in 2024. Greetings from Vienna👋
i am 53 and have spent all of these years right here in vienna
never wasted a thought on the number of trams
this was one of the first thing I wondered about when I moved there, lol.
"Always been like that, stays like that."
Most Austrian sentence ever.
We (Austrians) built a fully functioning nuclear power plant only to forbid nuclear power before it went operational. We might just be this stupid
Isn’t it the OMV thing or the Borealis one idrk
I was going to take a nap but then I saw you uploaded and I was like "Well I guess I gotta learn the Viennese Tram System now"
Joe Miller What the f*ck is „viennese“?
It's called a "wiener"🍆🙃
Marc Lanzrath the adjective of vienna
we people actually don’t really care about the tram system lol...
We just take the tram we need without thinking “why is it actually called ‘...’ “
Well, some of us do.
"You want to go to the stadium, take the 2 until that station, than walk 300m south."
Works for me
"Always been like that, stays like that" - welcome to austria the land of the suderer
Aristotle himself saw that the simple pleasures in life are the highest virtues and is there any pleasure more simple than complaining about issues that are mostly trivial? I think not
0:41
"The emperor is stupid" (Hungarian)
Gave me a smile! :D
en is lattam, csak röhögtem😂
List of things I would've never thought about but now know.
I'm here to tell you- my father has been a tram driver in Vienna for over 15 years, and he also doesn't understand the naming system! So no worries, even the insiders don't know what's going on LOL!
you should have chosen an easier subject to explain like Quantum physics
"But a little grouching always feels good"
A message to take away Indeed.
I am a Tramdriver in Vienna. And there is a little bit more to the number system. But in the overall you are right. Nice Video
Care to elaborate? :)
There are A LOT MORE numbers haha
I am from vienna. And genuinely never thought of that. And i live here for 20 fucking years now
Same same and saME
Could you guide me in detail to go from Vienna international airport to Klagenfurt via train or bus?
@@Austresi südbahnhof and from there
@@Zebrius explain in detail
Jushan Saitia Take the Train directly to the Hauptbahnhof (Mainstation) and then the Flixbus directly to Klagenfurt.
I watched a 4 minute video on the numbering system of tram lines in Vienna at 11:00pm and it was surprisingly interesting.
0:40 "a császár hülye". Nice Easter egg man!
I'm Hungarian and I love what you did at 0:41
This summed up 2 parts of Viennese culture perfectly. 1) always was like that always stays like that 2) always have something to complain about
"its all plumjam to me" got me hahahahaha
Im from Vienna and i didn't know that it works like this😂 thank you. But I think most peiple in Vienna dont know this
or don’t care
I live in Vienna for 20 years and didnt know why it was like that.
Its not complicated unless you are deppad
Hahahahahahhaha
oh ja, so true!
There are many confusing things in the world, but Viennas public transportation system is one of the simpliest in the world.
I think you should definitely make more content regarding vienna. Hardly anyone does and if they do their quality hardly matches yours
As a person living in Austria, its quite simple
3:33 This is absolutely austrian. "Always been like that. Stays like that" - No need to change anything.
Es is, wie's is.
@@Felightydaz Des woa scho immer so.
Sad but true story: I'm German and always watch the English version of your videos as the Wiener Version is completely incomprehensible if you're not used to that dialect :D
The Stockholm Metro is similarly designed.
There are 3 "main" lines: Green, Red and Blue with 7 "branch" lines in total: 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19. Lines 13-19 are from older tram lines and are on the older Red and Green "main" lines.
In 1975, when the Blue Line (the only line that wasn't based off of older tram lines) opened, the Red and Green Lines had the numbers 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 24, 27, 28 and 29 (Lines 15, 24, 27, 28 and 29 were for fill-in lines), much more than today's 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19, so they wondered what the Blue Line should be called. At the time, it only had one branch, so it would then be logical to name it 16 and 26 (the latter one for the fill-in line), but they instead named it 10 and 20. It changed again when another branch if the Blue Line opened and the numbers were changed to 10 and 11.
Also, now we have the problem with the currently under construction Yellow Line. What's it gonna be called? I suggest 15 and 16, but that's just me...
Some additional interresting facts: The lines 1 and 2 used to be ringlines clockwise and counterclockwise around the Ring. Only in 2008 they became through-lines.
With the radial lines: The 20ies lines both run solely on the north side of the river danube. The line 30 does as well but it is just a shortened line 31.
There is a local train, which runs from Vienna to Baden. Within those two cities the trains run on tramway tracks, outside of the towns the line runs like a train, with no stopping at trafic lights and even freight traffic. There is a small part, Feldgasse in Guntramsdorf, that is oficially a railway and not a tramway track but runs on the street. In this road even freight trains pass through.They use regular tramway vehicles but with less doors, more comfortable seats. Interrestingly the line uses three different voltages on the journey. Even though in Vienna, that line shares the same tracks with regular tram lines, the line is operated by a different company. In the abbreviation for the line, that is also shown on signs or train direction indicators is WLB, meaning Wiener Lokalbahn (Vienna Local Train).
Just in case anyone needs translation at 0:41
What's written there is a hungarian sentence meaning the emperor is an idiot
Wusste gar nicht das du deutsch sprichst Probs bro,
Grüße aus Wien Penzing
Hab ich auch nicht gewusst; schöne Grüße vom Rennweg
@@aswertus habts ihr euch schon das wienerische video gegeben? des ist der shit! Grüße aus Ottakring ;)
@@Emilsteixner Selbstverständlich :D
Ach, des is afoch Wien :D Grüße aus Wien Heiligenstadt
Wien Liesing
lmao a császár hülye really caught me off guard
Then I would like to introduce you to the Miway bus system in Mississauga, Ontario: 107 S goes to Islington Station. 107 N goes to Meadowvale Town Centre. But 107N goes west from Islington on the transit way and then north on the Winston Churchhill Blvd to Meadowvale.
A year later, I got confused between Vienna and Vösendorf.
Legend says the guy who named Windows versions was in charge here. Like 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, ME...
I have no idea what the hell that was.... I feel like a tram just hit me and I have no idea what the number.... Letter... Nope... Ouch medic!!!
Same in Amsterdam. There used to be 25 tram lines. Now some are gone, some became buses. Line 15 is a bus, line 19 a tram. Yet there are also bus lines called numbered like 314. Ow and the metro is Line 50 till 55 (because why not??). Renumbering also get the same 'butbutbut my line number!!!' nostaligia suckers (they tried to do it when the new metro line opened in 2018, but didn't go through sadly).
Tangential lines were numbered in the 1907 systematically from inner to outer. 1: Ring. 2: Zweierlinie. 3,4: Fasangasse, Ungargasse, Pilgramgasse. 5,6,7: Kaiserstraße, Reinprechtsdorferstraße, Gudrunstraße. 8: Gürtel. and so on. 12/14 were the train station round lines. 15: Wienerberg. 16: Stadlau. 17: Leopoldau. 13: Extended line number 3. 18: Extended line number 8.
At least the subway numbers aren't weird...
U5 intensifies
That would be a good idea for a future Tapa video
@@ILikedGooglePlus he did and its ocd inducing
great channel, great topics.
please make more!
"It's all plum jam to me!" - you just made my day, mate! :)
I couldn't care less about Vienna's tram system but TapaKapa's videos are good enough that if he made one, I could watch a 3 hour tutorial on how to toast bread and still be entertained.
Nice video, I always look forward to your new videos
Where has this been all my life? Great video!
3:33 also don‘t forgrt that the trams 25, 26, 33, 52, 58, 60 and 67 also need to be renamed as they aren‘t „radial“
But yeah except for those and about 200 other exceptions this makes total sense🤙🏼
Powidl. Großartig.
Lol I was't expecting a "Császár hülye" writing on the wall
(The kaiser/emperor is stupid)
I lolled up too :D
Good to know! Love these videos about Austria. Keep it up!
0:42, Lol, i like that easter egg
We use a simple three-digit number code system for our bus lines from 1 to 999, until we expanded our transit system to have 1020 bus lines.
Now we have letter plus numbers, number plus description, letter plus numbers plus description, and some buses straight up don't have a code anymore.
Where do you live to have over 1,000 bus lines?
Don’t forget Lokalbahn Wien-Baden.
Geh oda nah...
Die ist aber was anderes
Die anderen Tram Linien gehören alle zu den Wiener Linien, die Lokalbahn zu den Wiener Lokalbahnen
"always been like that, stays like that" yet smoehow the "J" was changed to the "2"
For Austrians and daring non-German speakers, here's the video in Austrian Dialect:
czcams.com/video/yTw5ftOReWw/video.html
Also, to be clear, I'm not saying the Viennese tram network is confusing, but the way trams are numbered is. Public transport in Vienna as a whole is actually amazing.
Sau leiwand alder, oida i wust vor dem video hoid wirklich nix über des Bimnetzwerk von Wien
Danke fir die wiener Version, passt so vü bessa
So, are you Austrian? You certainly don't have an Austrian accent. You did not even say "cunt" in any of your videos yet.
NVM, wrong Austria.
The tram is the best way to move around the centre in Zagreb. If only they had PROPER AIRCONDITIONING PEOPLE WOULDN'T DIE OF HEATSTROKE EVERY TIME THEY ENTER THE TRAM
You could make a video on that election that is going to happen in September in Austria
Who prefers the old announcements (two tone chime and Franz Kaida's voice) on Wiener Linien?
Yesss! I've watched the video till the very end and heard this amazing chime! It really "fits" Vienna somehow, together with the voice of Franz Kaida. So classical and straightforward at the same time. just like Vienna.
A very interesting video.
Thanks for uploading.
Its nice seeing other people from Vienna trying to explain this to others :D. At this point i have a lot of them memorized... but theres so many its hard to get them all!
I love system here in Wrocław, Poland. Trams are oneortwodigit, buses has three. 7 in beginning means temporary, so 710 is temporary sililar to line 10. 1xx are regular, 2xx are night buses. Letters are for faster bus lines (omits some stops on the line).
Such high Quality videos:)
I mean... all public transport numbering systems are kinda wacky, you just sort of have to know where they go, no matter how the system really works
really nice video!
My brain is like : *i have no idea wtf is happenin but it's cool*
Love the videos m8👊🇬🇧
I live in Tokyo, and I'm confused af by all of this, just number the lines from 1 starting in the center and move out from there, done. And if you want to make it even easier for tourist, just add colors.
My city has numbers and colors and the colors basically tell you what part do the city they take you to. Green is for roughly the west and a bit of south-west for example so all lines that go through my part of the city are green. Pretty easy system I can tell that one of my lines arrives at our huge main station even without my glasses because I can see the green.
Our numbers are 1 to 16 but over the years somewhere we lost the lines 5 and 6 and kind of also the 13 so we now only have the others left and a whole bunch of busses. Still not that bad or confusing.
Busses are numbered 60 and up though which is a bit weird and all the full numbers like 60, 70 etc. are main lines of special importance. Everything above 100 is for busses that go out of the city too.
haHA, I guessed you were austrian! Especially from that video about your time zone idea, but I thought you were just being memey.
Emperor Pingu's math channel huh? so he fights with kangaroos? gotcha
@@alapotato9367 *Austrian* not Australian
Ya boi there the same. right?
@@alapotato9367 Oh My GoSh AuSTraLia aND AuSTrIa ArE DiFfErEnT CoUNtRiEs
Jaaaa! Bei 3:56 der gute alte Gong! Wie sehr ich die alten Ansagen von Franz Kaida vermisse
Same
Love the video!
In Paris,The lines are names like this:
1
2
3a(Future loop line)
3b(Future loop line,where both will be connected to each other)
4
5
6
7
8
9
I live in St.Louis, Missouri, US, and ours goes:
yeah we need some public transit
@@Julianna.Domina yeah.The Us should prioritize mass transit over cars
@@Julianna.Domina 😂😂😂😂
Very glad to hear they're keeping the D tram the D tram.
hahahah ich lieb den powidl :D schönes video, genau kompliziert genug
Oooo now I get it. I remember being randomly in the gift shop in the middle of Karlsplatz buying Mozartkugel and listening to chill song about Straßenbahn and wondering why the hell somebody did a song about traffic... Thank for closure =D
3:43 Hahaha "is doch powidl" :D Nice job!
Another good video :D
A little griping always feels good.
Well said.
2:11 The Universal S is everywhere!
Where I life, the trams start with 7__ and the tubes start with U7_
Let me guess... are you from Düsseldorf?
@@pixoontube2912 let me guess, you are too?
@@sandralohmann8282 No, but I'm a huge fan for trams and subways. Besides, I have visited Ratingen last march
lol
Good videos xo
Dude, as a Viennese.. I am confused too! Great video!
I am from Vienna and never knew this o.O Thanks for the Video which is funny too
Great video, and yeah have some natural engagement since you really need it.
I live in Singapore. We don't have as many lines as Vienna but their namings are misleading as hell. We have the East-West line that goes from the east to the west which is fine, then we we have the North-South line that goes to the west, North-East line that goes to the south, Circle line which does not go in a circle and Downtown line whoever know what Downtown means...
lol! i lived in vienna for 26 years but just now I understand the tram naming :D great video & thx
This is also not only for English speakers interesting, I am self from Vienna🇦🇹 and I never ever knew it, it is very interesting what my city's tramway system is like. 👌
lovely video
ok so I'm actually in Vienna right now and youtube suggested me this video ^^ handy knowledge
When you can explain us the retter linen busses I finally understand my home fully.
Problem happens when you need to divert, change, deactivate or start new lines. If you had 30 tram lines and then 25, you can't change the numbers really because people get used to the idea of "I can take that 17 to get to the botanical gardens" and it takes time. In my city, we have like 10 empty spots in tram numbers for trams that last existed some 20 years ago and they prefer to add new numbers as to not confuse people (but some lines got reactivated after 18 years with small route change and apparently that's for the best)...
In my city to make bus numbers they do it in a way that shows which interchange does that line go to (mosly, you cna't make it perfect).
For example (I might miss a few lines.) (Lines that terminate are written):
Interchange 1: 6, 9, 16, 19, 29, 290, 53, 67, 68, 90.
Interchange 2: 2, 3, 3A, 4, 7, 11, 28, 280, 43
Interchange 3: 29, 290, 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 35R, 38, AU2
Interchange 4: 1, 21, 30, 31, ME, 1V, 2V (V: Tram)
End stop 1: 12, 22, ME
End stop 2: 2, 20
Lines 5, 15 and 6, 16 go on similar paths.
In Jakarta, new bus routes would be numbered according to the parent "corridor" it intersects/go through ex: Line 6C and 6E go to Corridor 6 so technically it's part of Corridor 6, that also apply to routes that didn't use the BRT lanes like 5F that goes to Tanah Abang since it ends in Kampung Melayu, Terminus for Corridors 5,7,11
For suburban routes they use the initial letter of the Town they go to while numbering is pretty random
was there a couple of time and it was really easy to navigate if u can think a little..
I am from Vienna and I have found a detailed explanation of the numbering system with all the old lines that are nonexistent anymore (we had many more) as a PDF and in German. I must say it was much more confusing still it has/had a system to it once you get it sorted out.
I live in Vienna and i don‘t get confused but still some things i didn‘t so good video👍🏻
wi gut, dass man die videowiedegabe auch verlangsamen kann 😅
put up with it for the beautiful vintage rolling stock
This is completely random but Bydgoszcz tram line no. 3 is temporarily out of service due to road works and tram lines 1, 2, 5, 6 and 9 and bus lines 51, 56, 58, 94, 98, 99 and all night bus lines will be taking new routes.
Many ........! Handle It!
I visited Vienna a few years ago. Great city, plenty to see. I just asked Google Maps where I needed to go and it told me.
Its weird seeing an youtube channel in english with hints of austria or austrian dialects such as the: Tor! I wea narisch!
CZcamsr is austrian! :)
Vienna is probably in the running for biggest network by total number of tram stops.
Trust the Austrians to come up a system for everything even if one is theoretically not needed.
3:56: I really hope when I come to Vienna I can still find the comically deep male tram voice.
Wien ist wohl im Rennen fuer das groeszte Netzwerk um Gesamtzahl Straszenbahnhaltestellen.
Its a woman voice now! Dont worry you cant understand her either
I'm from a tiny village in Nether Austria (we don't have pigman-zombies) and when I had my first job in Vienna I was shook by the tram system. I also never knew *when* the tram would go, so I would always be panicking out that I'd be terribly late.
0:41 yes, the emperor is an idiot as the hungarian writing says on the wall
Bojler eladó
Gergely Hornich
Is it cheap?
Also other transports depend on this system. Buses in Vienna are extended by "A" and "B", around Vienna they get a number in front of the line, as higher this number, as more far away from the city they go (for example 2xx, 3xx, ... (xx stands, in best case, for the tram line which the bus extends)). Suburban train lines are called S10, S20, S30, ..., if they cross the City (Station Wien Mitte), they are called S1, S2, S3, ....