The reason it produced more foam the higher you put it is because the difference in water pressure, as water exits the cell and the reservoir is much higher, water pressure will push up the bubbles in a turbulent manner creating foam, but as you lower the reservoir, the water pressure almost equals, and the speed of gases flowing also slow down, giving the foam a greater chance to breakdown into bigger bubbles.
@iaumfreeandawake No, I never tried lowering the reservoir without the foam disperser. The lowering of the reservoir will only work if you use a pump because the water did not circulate well enough.
Hello, nice job you are doing, I think by lowereing your bubbler, you are just moveing the foam into your cell where it disapates and then comes out as larger bubbles, this may lower your electrolyte level, but if you are still getting the same production, who cares!! If you are not, them maybe the loss is do to foam in the cell instead of electrolyte ?? Just my 2 cents...love your vids,,,keep up the good work!!
On that foam issue, when you lowered your tank you decreased the resistance of the water flow and when you lowered it again the foam left. Its kind of like my internet I had my modem about 35' away from my dtv box and I wanted to listen to pandora radio and it was cutting in and out so I rerouted the lines and put the modem next to dtv box and it works good now.
I just tried the lowering of the tank and it worked great. I looks to me that the liquid level of the tank should be a little bit bellow the hho outflow of the cell. Doing that leaves a little air space on the top of the cell whereas the tank being way above the cell makes it so the cell is completely full of liquid where the hho pushes out liquid and hho. And the liquid does circulate pretty good when the tank is lowered.
Lowering the bubbler below the highest liguid level of the generator, lowers the liquid level in the generator and therefore lowers output. Lowering the bubbler below the powest point of the generator would even completely drain the generator. I think that if you would take a look inside the generator, you would see froth in there instead of in the bubbler. Have you already tested the effects of the pool chemicals on the generator? Very interested! Cheers!
The true cause of Foam!, It is well known that when KOH and NaOH are mixed with oil it makes Soap. This is the source of the foam. New plates, gaskets and housing, reservoirs and tubing all have trace amounts of oil in them it leaches out and will take time to be removed from the system. I started a new cell yesterday with no foam problem at 30 Amps, today it has foam running out the top of my reservoirs. As it sat over night it made soap out of the oil.
Hello, if you wanted to lower the reservoir even more, then it will have to be taller, so that the water column will be much higher than the top of the cell, that will create water pressure due to gravity and even if your reservoir outlet is much lower than the cell intake, water will still flow by gravity into the cell from the reservoir, because water will flow from a higher level to a lower one.
OOPS Just looked at it again and the liquid does not circulate when the tank is lower than the cell. It circulates pretty good when the the tank level is about 3 inches or so above the cell.
Lower the tank .... are you not just generating a gas lock , rather than bleeding the gas out of the cell , pushing a mix of liquid & gas . Are you not just capturing a gas pocket at the top of the cell , generating a dry area & loss of functioning cell ?
...and how are you going to accomplish this(level adjustment) in a car? 12v in line pump and a cooling device: no heating. i'll try your discovery. i live in cold climate and all pool supply stores are closed now. i had success with the foam, by accident, having to add some engine coolant in the reservoir for the winter. i'd like someone else to try and post the findings.
I think its all in the materials the tubing and gaskets are made of , koh did the same for me , even worse actually, but i discovered oil does the trick . found the idea on google books for industrial processes
Lowering reservoir to decrease foam from dry cell. Works fine in the lab; but, in the real world of automotive environments it's impossible. As to hot tub foam dispersant, you don't speak of freqency of application of additional anti-foaming agent. It's chemical make up may or may not be broken down by the electrolysis process. The simple action of replacing the distilled water alone is no longer as simple. In an automotive environment the vacuum draw on the generated HHO and upon the flow rate through the generator will produce huge volume of foam; without an anti-forming agent, especially at 30 amps. You provide no answer here to the problem.
Soap is made by reacting sodium hydroxide with fatty acids (such as palm or olive oil). Traces of oil inside your equipment may be the cause.
The reason it produced more foam the higher you put it is because the difference in water pressure, as water exits the cell and the reservoir is much higher, water pressure will push up the bubbles in a turbulent manner creating foam, but as you lower the reservoir, the water pressure almost equals, and the speed of gases flowing also slow down, giving the foam a greater chance to breakdown into bigger bubbles.
@iaumfreeandawake No, I never tried lowering the reservoir without the foam disperser. The lowering of the reservoir will only work if you use a pump because the water did not circulate well enough.
Hello, nice job you are doing,
I think by lowereing your bubbler, you are just moveing the foam into your cell where it disapates and then comes out as larger bubbles, this may lower your electrolyte level, but if you are still getting the same production, who cares!! If you are not, them maybe the loss is do to foam in the cell instead of electrolyte ??
Just my 2 cents...love your vids,,,keep up the good work!!
Thank you mike much appreciated
On that foam issue, when you lowered your tank you decreased the resistance of the water flow and when you lowered it again the foam left. Its kind of like my internet I had my modem about 35' away from my dtv box and I wanted to listen to pandora radio and it was cutting in and out so I rerouted the lines and put the modem next to dtv box and it works good now.
I just tried the lowering of the tank and it worked great. I looks to me that the liquid level of the tank should be a little bit bellow the hho outflow of the cell. Doing that leaves a little air space on the top of the cell whereas the tank being way above the cell makes it so the cell is completely full of liquid where the hho pushes out liquid and hho. And the liquid does circulate pretty good when the tank is lowered.
Lowering the bubbler below the highest liguid level of the generator, lowers the liquid level in the generator and therefore lowers output. Lowering the bubbler below the powest point of the generator would even completely drain the generator.
I think that if you would take a look inside the generator, you would see froth in there instead of in the bubbler. Have you already tested the effects of the pool chemicals on the generator? Very interested! Cheers!
great vid, what is the chemical formula for that stuff.
The true cause of Foam!, It is well known that when KOH and NaOH are mixed with oil it makes Soap. This is the source of the foam. New plates, gaskets and housing, reservoirs and tubing all have trace amounts of oil in them it leaches out and will take time to be removed from the system. I started a new cell yesterday with no foam problem at 30 Amps, today it has foam running out the top of my reservoirs. As it sat over night it made soap out of the oil.
not true , it only make soap with fat . fat and oil are not the same
what is the catalyst you spoke about ?.
Hello, if you wanted to lower the reservoir even more, then it will have to be taller, so that the water column will be much higher than the top of the cell, that will create water pressure due to gravity and even if your reservoir outlet is much lower than the cell intake, water will still flow by gravity into the cell from the reservoir, because water will flow from a higher level to a lower one.
Its awesome))
The guy in the video is me (hhoconnection). The Mike above (caboflyguy) is someone else.
Silicon are the best defoamers I have found.
Try a drop of armor-all and see what happen. I never test in a hydrogen cell but it can work.
In the open bottle, I assume that is just water to disperse the gas?
By the way just discovered your site I will be a regular.
What would it require to run a v twin on the on Hho could some one enlighten me
Please try it and tell me if it works for you.
OOPS Just looked at it again and the liquid does not circulate when the tank is lower than the cell. It circulates pretty good when the the tank level is about 3 inches or so above the cell.
Lower the tank .... are you not just generating a gas lock , rather than bleeding the gas out of the cell , pushing a mix of liquid & gas . Are you not just capturing a gas pocket at the top of the cell , generating a dry area & loss of functioning cell ?
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Is Mike still around
doesnt work long term last about 1 day . I discovered in researching some industrial processes use oil to mitigate foam
what kind of oil ?
Change your electrolyte or try sucking off the foam as it is being created. The soap is in the bubble and will be removed from the solution.
...and how are you going to accomplish this(level adjustment) in a car? 12v in line pump and a cooling device: no heating.
i'll try your discovery. i live in cold climate and all pool supply stores are closed now. i had success with the foam, by accident, having to add some engine coolant in the reservoir for the winter. i'd like someone else to try and post the findings.
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You may already know this but i use potassium hydroxide (koh) it deosnt foam. so maybe you can skip a step.
I think its all in the materials the tubing and gaskets are made of , koh did the same for me , even worse actually, but i discovered oil does the trick . found the idea on google books for industrial processes
This is a result of hydrostatic preasure change.
Lowering reservoir to decrease foam from dry cell. Works fine in the lab; but, in the real world of automotive environments it's impossible.
As to hot tub foam dispersant, you don't speak of freqency of application of additional anti-foaming agent. It's chemical make up may or may not be broken down by the electrolysis process.
The simple action of replacing the distilled water alone is no longer as simple.
In an automotive environment the vacuum draw on the generated HHO and upon the flow rate through the generator will produce huge volume of foam; without an anti-forming agent, especially at 30 amps.
You provide no answer here to the problem.