Living 2e, by Dr. Dan Peters, Summit Center
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- Clip from "2e 360: Lessons Learned From Working With 2e Youth, Raising 2e Kids, and Living 2e," keynote presented by Dr. Dan Peters, Executive Director, Summit Center, at the SENG (Supporting Emotional Needs of Gifted) Conference, San Jose, July 2014.
Thank you for saying that you do not need to be smarter than your 2E kiddo, including them in problem solving and instilling the idea of having fun and allowing them to teach you!☺️
Thank you Dr Peters
Now, how do you deal with it in young adulthood.
Try habit stacking
You are like my father that I never had
You get it! Thank you!
Im that parent "you can do it, I can help you, you have to complete it" Im that parent telling his teachers " he cant do it, the essay is too long, he cant start not even the first sentence, the words wont click, he has trouble putting words together in a sentence", Im that parent, comforting my kid because he thinks he has a problem when he cant put an essay together, but then he solves fractions like nothing while other kids who finished their essay are still figuring out that math problem.
Any updates Post Covid? Especially regarding its effects on Kids and parents in 2023.
2e isn't something that was diagnosed 50 years ago when I was a child, certainly not by intellectual parents who didn't want special needs kids. My life growing up was endless torture, my life as an adult has it's moments of wonderful success, but the pain never goes away. I wake up every morning in fear of what the day will bring. i have so many talents yet I can't do what the world expects of me. Suicide has become a rational option.
Hi. I've never really been considered gifted, but I recently found out I may be 2e not so long ago after being neglected of the emotional/social needs and mental stimulation I needed in my 21 years of life, and I feel traumatized. I turned to social isolation as a refuge and became an unmotivated underacheiver; I don't see a future for myself and never have despite being interested in so many things, whenever I try to look forward, everything gets blank, other times dark. I watched your video on Sesame Street, you're an amazing pianist, I wouldn't be surpised if you had many other talents! I dream now of how life could've been growing up after finding out of the term, and I get angry to think that I was never identified when others were and lived the dream I always wanted. I'm beginning to realize I may never get my needs met, it's especially hard to get help when you live in your on little world. I have my therapist, but I don't think I'll be able to see him for much longer. I'd like to be a client at a gifted clinic, but that would be quite difficult for my situation right now. Have you considered it for yourself? Coming from another who's thinking of that same option, I hope you're still alive.
@@Aria.G When you say "whenever I try to look forward, everything gets blank" what do you mean? I experience the same thing, I'm just beginning to understand why.
I would never consider myself 2e because my ability is based on something I'm missing. I have no sequential or working memory to speak of. As a result I'm the worst case of executive function disorder ever, and directions with more than one turn are impossible for me to follow. Early education is all about memorizing things, which I can't do. People learn to fill in the blanks in what they know by what they've learned or heard before. When most people think about doing something they imagine what it's going to be like. I can't. I haven't been to a doctor in my adult life because I don't know how. I know there's a sequence of things that have to happen, I just can't see it.
The problem I face is that I'm missing the resource that most people use the most. Not having it is unthinkable. I've had people tell me that it would be impossible to live without working memory - I agree with them, but it doesn't change what I don't have. I've often wondered how many others face the same thing. The occurrence of suicide is a poisson distribution (time to failure), there is some initial event where they become aware that they are in an impossible situation, then it's just a matter of time. I remember clearly when it started for me. The first day of high school I found that every hour the bell would ring and I would have to find my way to my next class, but I couldn't. I told my parents and teachers that I couldn't, they said "you'll learn" because they didn't understand the problem. High school was 7 hour long panic attacks, 5 days a week for 4 years. I was often so tense that my gums and fingernails would bleed. In every evaluation they said I don't try - did they know me? I've never avoided effort, but there are some things I can't do, and I couldn't explain that to anyone.
The other side of 2e for me is that I don't generate cognitive bias as much as people with a working memory. Everything I know is by a scientific process - test and draw conclusions. I can't assume (I do guess at probabilities - I think in math terms). Even that has proven to be a curse, because I disagree with so much of what's been inserted into most people's minds. Galileo leaned the earth wasn't the center of the universe by a scientific method, but he disagreed with everyone else's view, which they was sure was right, but it wasn't. That was before the internet, now people are subjected to far more marketing. I almost can't interact with people without seeing this.
@@unrestrictedphotography1425 My interests are fleeting and ever changing, I move from one thing to the next, a lot of the time not even completing what I first did; Sometimes I don't do anything at all because I can't seem to do anything without an intense urge to do it now because nothing seems much worth it. I don't know who I am to begin doing something with my life, my future just looks blank and I can't paint a telling picture on it.
I feel this stems from having a lack of opportunities to expand on, learn about and be myself, never learning how to learn but to conform and hide or play myself down, never being seen and failure anxiety.
I hated school. In highschool, I use to wake up even up to 5 hours before school just to do nothing and stare at the wall and just not exist for a while, because I was done. That long while ended up feeling like a short hour because it was my only reprieve from the world I didn't seem to belong in.
These are my own thoughts, I can't say anyone is anything without knowing them, but my thoughts are that if there was no possibility that you were gifted, you wouldn't have made it to this video and commented. I hesitate greatly to call myself gifted, my head is very on and off about it. I think if you have the money, you should at least get assessed at a gifted clinic, and possibly become a client at one. They can assess for gifts and disabilities. If you're okay with it, you can give me an email that I can contact you at so I can try to help you with the process of getting yourself help? At a gifted clinic or even just to help you get to a doctor?
@@Aria.G You're describing how I feel all the time. I have no ability to remember sequences, yet life demands that you do. There's a long list of things I must do, but I can't remember what any of them are. I constantly have this feeling of doom because I know I've ignored something important. My utilities get turned off 3 or 4 times a year because I forget to pay the bill. I know there are automated ways of doing that, but being unaware of things is actually worse. I often find that I can't start something because of this feeling that there are so many other things I've started. This is one reason I think suicide is a rational option. In the short time between deciding to end my life and when I do, I will have found peace.
I honestly don't see the value of being assessed. I am well aware of the problem, and they offer no solutions. I've looked for help, what I found made me understand the near 100% suicide rate. I'm on my own with this. Life got easier when I accepted that fact.
Having the opposite problems as everyone else makes getting advice a lot harder. For example, money isn't the issue. I have no sequential memory, so I don't generate the same cognitive bias that other people do. Understanding that means I can predict trends that seem to make no sense. I can generate huge amounts of money doing this - money isn't the problem. I have some time off at the end of the month, I was thinking of going on vacation - that's a problem. The only place I've ever been is lost, and I hate it there. There's nowhere I can go that I'm not going to be lost - I still get lost in the trails behind my house. I can't plan a vacation because I can't explain the problem to anyone else to the point where they can help - they think about things from their own perspective, with their own skill set, which I don't have. Even if I book a hotel, I can't get there. People give me useless advice like "use a GPS". To drive and use a GPS requires working memory to swap information sets - my brain doesn't do that. If I'm gathering data from the GPS, there's nobody driving the car. I spent $2800 on Garmin products last year, trying to solve the problem. None of it worked.
I know that suicide for people like me is a poisson distribution - time to failure. We're like light bulbs, some of them last much longer than others, but they all burn out. I've never avoided danger because I don't fear the outcome - sometimes light bulbs get broken... I've never wanted to be a statistic, which is why I'm still alive, but I question that now. Everything in my life has been a disappointment, even things others would consider success. I have reached goals and leaned skills, but they somehow fail to fit in with the rest of the world. I can play piano, actually I can play almost any instrument I pick up. It doesn't matter, I can't play with other musicians. Music to everyone else is a sequence of notes. Music to me is a set of rules - I couldn't tell you what notes I'm playing or even what key I'm in at any given time. I can't play the same thing over again and I get lost in music as much as I get lost in the world.
@@unrestrictedphotography1425 I'm 42 and I figured out recently that I am autistic. It happened when I had my son was diagnosed. I don't feel like I need a diagnosis to validate me because I'm GT also. Autism is a developmental disorder and I am an adult. It seemed like there is no point in testing. But I've researched about autism and my perspective is changing, it's an episitmological shift.
I used to think that I was different because I was smart. My childhood trauma took the blame for my emotional difficulties. We moved and I changed schools too much, that's why I was never able to make friends or be social. Since I have health problems, my phyical symptoms were expected to be felt.
My therapist says I'm the most resilient person she has ever met. That's why I always bounce back from problems, because I have post traumatic growth syndrome. Two years of CBT worked out all these connections for me. But I wasn't getting better, and my anxiety was actually worse. My progress stalled and I started getting more and more confused. Researching online for my diagnosis, one week I thought I had bipolar. The next week I was thinking about borderline. Nothing really fit, but I knew that I had more than depression going on. I never thought that autism was a good fit for me.
Working with my son, I learned about the cognitive differences between typical and autistic brains. A lot of it sounded familiar and kinda made sense for me. I found out that I have three of the common comorbidities of autism. I researched more about the causes and found a lot of new research. Early childhood trauma causes genetic alleles to switch on or off, that's a bingo. Also, my birth defect is just now being associated with autism.
Certain of my self- diagnosis, I dove in to psychiatrist manuals to learn how MY autism worked. The more I read, the more light bulbs went off. Figuring out the differences between my brain and a typical brain, I also learned how a typical brain works. This is the key to my new paradigm. Previously, I had no clue that other people process information and store memories differently. Now, in the back of my head, I am replaying the memories of conversations and social events that bothered me emotionally. This time I am rewriting the story in a new light. I'm finally admitting that maybe I don't understand as much as I think I do.
With this new information, I want to be evaluated for autism. The process includes testing for specific sensory strengths and weaknesses. Also, I want an iq test to help me understand my intellectual strengths and weaknesses. I have high hopes that it will be the key to my recovery. The goal is to leverage my smarts against my weaknesses.
I literally cannot convey to you the importance of this breakthrough for me. I don't feel ashamed of making mistakes anymore. If I hurt someone in the past, it was probably due to a communication breakdown. I want to learn techniques that will help communicate better people. I want to learn to recognize the social rules in different situations. Mostly, I was a schoolteacher, so want to help 2e kids today to get the help they need in public schools. I want to learn to self-advocate so I can eventually begin speaking up for other 2e people too.
I had no idea that I had a genius level talent for recognizing peoples' voices. If you keep working on it you may discover the utility of your rare talents too. Good luck!