Do not build a sound insulated enclosure for your noisy air compressor!
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- I built a sound insulated enclosure for my very noisy air compressor. It worked, but I don't recommend you building one. Unless you have a very specific use case, it will not be worth it. I think.... 🙄
Please let me know if you have any other experience or thoughts about it, the comment section below is there for a reason :-)
00:00 The challenge explained
01:38 Build Lapse
04:50 The finished enclosure
06:08 The ventilation channels explained
09:44 Testing noise reduction
12:40 Moving the enclosure upstairs
13:42 Installing
15:30 Conclusion / final thoughts
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My advice is to build increasingly larger boxes around the boxes around the compressor until it is completely silent 🙃
Like a Russian Doll? Keep building until the final box is the size of a High Rise building!
or bring it far away from u and feed our air with 1-2" plastic pipes. 10-15m, 2 walls is often much more then this box evere can make
I worked in a shop with 2 huge air compressors. Never heard them, they were in a fenced enclosure outside.
That is a great solution. I have followed similar thinking with making gutter guards. My gutter guards are perfect and allow NO junk to get through. Unfortunately, water also does not pass through!
@@dannyo3317 Reminds me of the gutter guards where the water is supposed to basically go over the gutter and follow the curve back into it while all the junk blows off. What a gimmick
In my experience there are 3 things you need to worry about to quieten down an air compressor.
1~ Air intake. Some machines have a very crude strainer for the air intake. This will allow a lot of valve noise out. My standard solution is to remove and modify the air intake to use an automotive paper element air filter. if you use a big enough element it will completely shut up the intake noise and with the added benefit of better filtration.
2~ Contact points. The type of floor plays a part as the action of the compressor vibrates the floor and frequently amplifies the noise. plenty of high density sponge rubber under the contact points, can use carpet pieces 2~4 layers. The tank can also amplify so if you are really fussy you could use some stick on sound deadener sheet. Make sure all guards are tight and not vibrating.
3~ Compressor itself. Some units are naturally nosier than others, as a rule of thumb direct drive piston is the noisiest, belt drive piston is next then come all the specialist types like diaphragm, vane or even screw. A rule of thumb is slower is quieter.
If you do put a box around it it will get hotter, for air ducts into the box the easiest and best way is to get a couple of soft cheapo brooms and line the path with them. The broom bristles should intersect in the middle 1/3. That works quite well.
A lot of useful considerations here, thanks a lot for your input 👍 I will definitely take a look at your bullet point number 2 - I think the vibrations is what is causing most of the remaining noise.
Also you can add a pipe to the inlet(s) and direct it outdoors, that will quiet it right down too.
Ok so I've got a generator in a bus behind an over engineered wall (massively dropping dB and changing the frequency for lower percieved noise). I've already got some 1"thick Rubber matt and ¾"rubber foam matt set it on. I can set it on a platform with super stiff springs (lowering the contact patch)... I'm thinking no lol. My main thought is what can I do to lower the noise it makes in the first place. I've already gone overboard, but was thinking you might have some good input here.
@@p0lyglot You could but that will add another problem I didn't address. All compressors make water in the receiver due to the dew point of air and it getting compressed. It is VERY IMPORTANT to ensure this is drained as frequently as possible. I run the biggest elbow that will fit to replace the drain point in the tank (Always ensure it is the lowest point also) then a big hose to a ball valve in a convenient position to drain moisture every time I switch it on and off. This can also be noisy but there is a cheap solution. I make a silencer to catch the mud and quieten it down. For a 1/2" hose and ball valve drain i'll get a piece of galv water pipe1 1/2" threaded on one end to fit the 1/2 " hose. Usually 300mm long but longer is quieter and pack hard the pipe with old heavy rags, stuff like denim, with a mix of t shirt thrown in. This I compress in the press until it is very tight (you can over compress but that was under a 50 ton press you only need to use enough to make it solid) . I then drill holes in the sides of the pipe to cross over each other at different heights just big enough to clear some nails. Then install the nails into the compressed rags inside the pipe with the nail heads on the outside. Normally not needed but you can then wrap the outside in 100mph tape to restrain the nails from blowing out. If the rags are compressed hard enough it isn't necessary but everyone is different. I have put these against commercially available silencers and unless they are flooded with oil they beat the commercial ones in restriction and noise. They will clog eventually but I pulled the drain one of my compressor that failed after 15 years and used daily and it was still working fine.
@@jonathanbetenbender307 Check anything that comes off the generator. Cables can also transmit vibration therefor noise, cushion the first few contact points. It should help.
You could also remove the wheels and use rubber mounts, this significantly reduced the noise from my compressor before I built an enclosure for it.
Better still I moved it outside.
You are absolutely correct! It's my first improvement to-do, find some soft rubber to isolate the vibrations going into the box / floor.
A 20 Db drop is pretty huge!
Rather than a complicated enclosure though, just build a more normal closet and use thicker rockwool to surround it. Much simpler design, and probably just as effective if not better.
The problem with the chamber design is that you are inadvertently tuning the sound from the compressor to fill a frequency range like a bass box, when your goal is just to kill it entirely. Building a much larger/simpler cabinet or closet space with thick wood and drywall, and 4-8" of dampening material will allow you to shove all of your loud items in 1 space together and will help a lot.
It sounds easy, but you forgot the ventilation / cooling. Without the compressor will overheat and be damaged right away. It's kind of important to let air into the box as well, how else can it generate air pressure in the tank 🤔
Very important that you provide a way to drain the water from the tank. One way is to plumb a line directly to the drain fitting, then to a valve, so you can leave the compressor in it's comfy home. Don't forget to service the oil.
These compressors are without oil, but draining the tank from time to time is needed. We have a quite dry environment here where I live, and since the compressor is stationary in my garage it gets quite dry air all the time. For now I have to open the hatch and take it half way out of the box to drain it - have not done it in a couple of months, probably due time 😯. Will consider adding a line to have drain plug on the outside, would have made it much more convenient. Thanks for your tip! 👍
@@kihestad be sure to read your instruction manual in regards to how often you should be draining the water from the tanks. My Ridgid dual tank says every 4 hours of use.
@@vizioasdf Hi, the user manual says 'daily, after work has been done'. I have to admit that I don't drain it daily. Most days I don't use it at all, and some days I just start it once and then turn it off to do a small job.
The humidity is what is causing water to get into the tank. I know it can be quite humid some places in the world, while it's a rather dry climate here where I live (although it's raining a lot). I have just drained the compressor 'now and then’ up until now, but I'll start doing it a bit more frequently 😇
See the trick here is to build a separate insulated room with a filter air dryer/dehumidifier and auto drain valve for the tank so there’s room to walk inside, close the door and service the oil and rubber motor pully for those long life compressors
@Robert Swaine I’ve actually seen someone do the in ground concrete part haha but if you’re going to go that far then I guess you might as well add an oil burn furnace to put that spent oil to good use
Something to also consider is that, while the reduction in noise in dB is not sufficient, the sound characteristics are way less "sharp" with the insulating case. I don't know how much of a difference it really makes as I can only compare microphone recordings but even without a significant reduction in dB I would probably still prefer the case just because the sound is not as shouty and more basey.
That is a very good observation, not many has commented on it 👍Originally these compressors have a high pitched and hard noise that really hurt in your ear. It crashes totally with frequencies in use when we speak. With the box it is just a low rumbling soft noise left, much more pleasing to the ear. Like thunder far away. Even the noise is there you don't need to rise your voice to talk over it.
Absolutely! The sound insulation mainly cuts high frequencies.
Bravo!
At one of my old jobs they built insulated panels for the dust collectors. The difference was night and day. Before the panels were made you had to shout at the person next to you. Afterwards you could speak normally right next to the collectors.
@@MrVukojeB bingo. The most effective thing to attenuate low frequencies is adding mass.
Heck yea port that baby and tune it to 32hz that's what I'm about 🤣🤣🤙
The parallel surfaces allow more reflection in the baffles. It would be better to use shapes that break up the sound reflection such as cones or pyramids.
A design I created when building speaker cabinets is to bond two very different density woods together to help make them acoustically dead. You can imagine if you have two bits of wood with very different resonate frequencies, when they are mechanically bonded they the two bits of wood fight each other and there is basically zero sustain at the new resonate freq. Works really well for internal braces in a cabinet.
so you would make the sunwoofer box braces out of a different wood or make one the walls different from each other?
@@tuomas2789 i think he meant walls made by laminated panels of 2 different material. A box of wood and a second layer of mdf for example.
A trick you can do to optimize the design of this sort of sound isolator is to use a speaker enclosure design tool. Measure the noise that you've got and look at the lowest frequency. Then use the enclosure design program to design ports that are tuned to 1/2 of the lowest frequency that your device produces. Remember to set the program to use two ports because you need a separate one for intake and exhaust. This will give you the maximum noise attenuation for the shortest port length. However in this case I suspect most of the noise is either vibrations transmitted via the floor, or is sound coming through the sides and top. Take a look at how subwoofer boxes are braced. The side with the air intake is probably fine as the vent acts as bracing, but the other side and the door probably could be improved quite a bit. Google the kraken subwoofer build to see what I mean. Also consider using some mechanical isolation such as springs or foam rubber under the compressor and pay attention to draining the tank.
Thanks a lot for the suggestions 👍 Since the box is already built, I will most likely not change the ports - but this is definitely something I will have to look into if I ever was to build a new one!
I think you are right about vibrations and perhaps better insulating the non-vented sides would help. The floor has just a thin carpet on it, I might add Rockwool sound insulation there as well and replace the wheels on the compressor with rubber fees.
Thanks, James! Very in depth info!
@@kihestad Rockwool will help immensely, I've done that myself.
Specifically a thick layer of rockwool in the bottom of the enclosure with a 25mm rubber isolating pad on top of it.
When I saw the "maze" I immediately thought of a speaker transmission line enclosure, with the compressor as the "speaker". The same acoustic science applies here.
It’s called a T line. Enclosure
Short version to save a lot of work: Instead of building an enclosure for the entire compressor, much of the noise comes from the intake hole since that's right up against the piston. You can access that and add a muffler or make your own. There are loads of videos showing different approaches, but my low-tech method was to use a hole saw to drill out the grill to access the hole. The intake hole is threaded to add an air filter, so I matched the size (Mine was 3/8"; not sure if that's standard) and added a 4" long brass nipple that I could then just put about vinyl tubing over. I ran that out about 18". The tubing deadened the sound considerably, especially the high-frequency clatter that's especially irritating. I experimented with a homemade muffler on the end of the tubing, but the tubing alone reduced the noise by quite a bit. (Note: I'm using a 6 gal Harbor Freight compressor, so it was pretty noisy to start with. Better now, though not "quiet." While I wouldn't use it indoors, I'm sure I'm not annoying as many neighbors since it is much quieter.)
That sounds like a smart solution! 👍 I did consider it, but I just did not know exactly how to build it. I found different examples on CZcams, but none of them made the compressor as quiet as I would like. Some used even a large exhaust muffler from a car, but I still thought it was loud. Did you measure the sound level before / after?
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but for the rest of us that really have no issues and appreciate the work these FILTUBERZ make we appreciate and encourage them to make more i want to see an interesting how ever long in minutes video as long as it is informative ill watch all day...
What i don't want to wanna watch is some Richard Cranium making a video and saying "OK NOISE FROM HERE, CUT AND PASTE HERE PROBLEM SOLVED" i don't wanna watch one minute not learning id rather watch 19 and learn a lot. all these people, hats off to them and there long ass 19 min video because he has informed me and now i don't gotta spend hundreds of dollars and a weekend to find out i go no difference in sound DB's. thats where the appreciation is and if i could do a video half as good as this man id be over the moon, LONG STORY SHORT....... APPRECIATE .......DONT HATE........POINT YOUR NOSE DOWN AND FIRE YOUR BUTLER.....
NOW TO MY NEXT 19 MIN VIDEO
@@kihestad Alexplorer hit one key element. Look up images for Eaton / Polar air compressors so you can see their whisper box design. I have a 10HP, 80 gallon compressor, and the whisper box silences the air intake a very good amount. It is basically a large box mounted to the side of the compressor with rubber hoses that go from the compressor head to the top of the whisper box. with just 2 or 3 labyrinth turns, and it is packed with a low-density fiberglass type mesh, similar to what MERV 4 Air conditioning filters use, and the bottom (floor) of the box has three ~15mm holes where the air is drawn upwards to the pump. That being said mine is outdoors about 30meters from the garage. The key is to have the air flow THROUGH the sound dampening media, not surround it! This disrupts the noise a lot more.
That being said, nothing will dampen the noise the way we envision it will in our heads than simply very thick insulation material. This is even more critical with typical oil-less compressors that are obviously very noisy. I built a sound-dampening enclosure for a 7 kW Troy-Bilt generator two years ago during pandemic when everything was shut down. What used to be an unbearably annoying loud generator now became a barely noticed 62 dB very low-frequency muffled sound that you can easily talk over even when standing right next to it. I used 12mm board, and Roxul sound-dampening home insulation that was 3"/76mm thick. The sides/top/bottom of the enclosure were 'sandwiched' walls where I stuffed the 3" thick Roxul down to about 2" compressed, so the walls themselves were 3" thick each! The front and back were bare sheets in a labyrinth style like yours. The air intake on the front was facing down towards the ground and was loosely stuff with Acousta-Stuff speaker insulation, so the air easily flowed through it, yet any sound that escaped that way was still muffled. The exhaust end was also a labyrinth style but with no insulation, even though Roxul is rated to be fire-resistant up to something like 2,000°F I didn't take the time to make proper flow channels, since Roxul does not allow airflow through itself (the exhaust gas also went though a large automotive muffler I welded onto the exhaust pipe). Now, The issue with this and sealing up air compressors is now heat. Oil-less air compressors will suffer piston wall/ring damage very quickly if they don't have TONS of airflow, and a 5" 120mm fan is simply not enough. For my generator box, I used a 10" blower fan that moves over 2700 m³/hr (1,600 CFM) ! Obviously it produces a lot more heat, but for a compressor to stay cool, you still do need a massive amount of airflow, something along the lines of 500 CFM (900ish m³/hr).
@@zod-engineering-welding Thanks a lot for sharing tips and your project. Our boxes seems to be somewhat similar, yours a bit bigger. It's not vere hot here where I live, even on the warmest summer days. That's one benefit living up north here in Norway, I need heat pump in my garage instead of air conditioner 😁 In hotter environments and for bigger compressors more cooling is a must 👍
Great idea. I made a dog hairdryer from using a vacuum cleaner motor and used a car muffler as the intake. It made it so much quieter.
Anything to eliminate your neighbours complaining or even knowing you've got it on is priceless plus it's good to have a quiet workshop
Hello, props to your design & craftsmanship, I can tell you have much skill working with wood and tools. As you mentioned quiet compressors are not cheap, this is true. I worked at two companies that built industrial compressors, Sullair and Sullivan Palatek here in the U.S.A.. My job was to assemble and wire up these machines. These machines ranged from aporox 5 hp all the way up to 125 hp. However the big difference was these were screw compressors. Instead of using pistons, these compressors use two screws “male & female” that mate with each other like two worm gears side by side. These screws spin at high speed in a special synthetic oil bath, the oil is then separated out of the compressed air using an oil separator tank. This separator is basically like a big air filter that removes the leftover oil from the air. The advantage of screw compressors is they run much quieter, and produce continuous air flow rather than in puffs. Their frequency of sound is much higher, but generally still considerably quieter than then piston type machines. However these screw type machines start of at around approx $4000 for a 5 hp and a 100 hp approx 30-$40K depending on options. All refrigerators and for home and commercial cooling compressors are also of this screw design for compressing of the refrigerant.
Thanks for your video sir, I found it interesting.😎👍
Thanks a lot for your comment, it was very interesting 👍😊 I have heard about screw compressors and knew they where expensive, but I did not really know how they worked. This was very fun to read, and now I am a bit wiser 😊Learing every day! Thanks!!!
@@kihestad Your welcome my friend. I can appreciate you for taking the time to design your enclosure, and document the process. I also have always found compressors annoyingly loud. My father and I would often jump in surprise whenever his 5hp craftsman compressor would turn on automatically in his garage. Just so ridiculously loud, lol.
Best wishes 😎👍
If you want a quiet compressor in your shop, get a big one, the bigger belt driven units are much quieter on account of a bigger, slower piston, the little ones knock their pan in high revving a small piston hence the noise.
You know your stuff ,peter ✌️
Yes, you are absolutely correct. If you can afford it and have space for it! I am not really using it enough to justify either the cost or occupying that much space for it. It's always a compromise 😏
the bigger it goes, the quieter, less RPM, the frequency is more on the bass, in terms of decibels, doesn't do much, but decibels don't measure loudness, they measure sound pressure. lower frequencies are much more tolerable to the human ear, even with more sound pressure.
Rotary Screw Air Compressors
@@aaronsbarker please buy me one!
The sound level doubles for every 3 dB, so the new one is WAY more quiet than the old one. Also, the LwA=98 dB marked on the side of the compressor is decibels sound power level, not sound pressure level as you are measuring with your sound level meter. But the final conclusion in your video is spot on! I work with noise in industry and offshore. The first rule is: Buy silent! It'll always save money and give a better result.
That is a myth
It is about 10 decibels to achieve double the volume. That 3 decibel garbage is energy which is meaningless.
I have understood now that I have much to learn when it comes to the decibel scale / measurements. 😳 Thanks for your comment 😊
@@cjr1881 😄 Well, whether you think it's meaningless garbage or not, it's math and how the physics of sound work. For example: 10*log(4) = 6 dB while 10*log(8) = 9 dB. Doubling from 4 to 8 increases the dB level by 3. Our ears may be said to percieve a 10 dB increase as a doubling because how our ears and brain works, but what Hestad is measuring is a doubling of sound pressure for every 3 dB increase. That's simply not debatable.
@@tsstsstsstsstsstss Perceived noise level is ultimately what matters, and from that standpoint you're incorrect.
My Brother-In-Law put his large air compressor in an enclosed space outside his shop. He poured a concrete pad, ran electrical to it, and ran air lines from the compressor back to his shop. The enclosure has fiberglass in the walls to help deaden the noise. Works pretty well.
and that's also safer incase it ever exploded
@@radicalracing09 There are a number of videos on YT showing compressors that have exploded. It is surprising how much damage they can do. Some of the users have stated that the next compressor they buy will not be anywhere near where they are working as it is just too dangerous!.
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Just wanted to say i truly enjoyed your video, creative idea, pretty nice editing skills, very quick straight on point and started showing actual content real quick and didn't feel waste of time...well done!
Thank you very much 😊 Glad you noticed and appreciated the way I made the video. I am still learning though, and I try to improve for every video.
I used panels for suspended or "drop ceiling" panels or the neighbors generator room. Another aspect you may consider is phase cancellation and not having your box side parallel, as the reflect back and forth to each other. Straight and flat becomes a sounding board.
Yes, reflecting is effective at reducing standing waves. It’s shocking how well it can work
Thanks for your interesting experiment. The reduction in noise is huge. This is because the decibel scale is not linear but logarithmic! By the way, there is still some room for improvement in my opinion, namely:
1. Sound is reduced not only by diffusion, but also by mass. It does not matter what the density of the material is. So if you use heavy material, thinner material will suffice. Covering with lead is an obvious choice then. This can be done on the inside or the outside.
2. There is also much to be gained in the kind of insulation material you use on the inside. If you use specially manufactured foam rubber with a wave pattern for sound insulation, the sound is additionally dampened.
3. Then there is impact sound. Sound that travels through solid material. This can be improved by making the box double-walled. Most of the damping occurs at the transition between solid material and still air.
4. Another improvement would be to isolate the compressor from the ground by removing the wheels and instead putting it on thick and soft rubber pads (or on air tires). Or you turn a couple of sturdy eyes in the ceiling of the box and hang the compressor from them with thick ring-shaped rubbers (as is often used with tent pegs.
Anyway, good luck. It was an informative video!
Thanks a lot, glad you liked the video 😊 I dont think I could have put on lead, it would probably have worked but remember I had to get it upstairs 😂But I got your point! It would probably have been better to use MDF instead of chipboard for the box, as MDF is more dense. When it comes to the insulation I used a pretty good one - it's Rockwool made especially for sound insulation, it is twice as dense as "normal" Rockwool insulation. Double wall would probably have been a solid upgrade, I did not think about that when I made it, it has been mentioned by others as well! I will try your tips number four using some kind of soft rubber material to allow it to "shake" a bit inside and perhaps avoid vibrations. Thanks a lot for your feedback and your improvement tips! 👍
The cheapest way to add mass damping is to use sand. Double wall enclosure, pour in the sand. Not only high mass, it is also 'high friction', so absorbs the sound energy. I used this very successfully on my dust extraction system.
Sand filled baffles were used in the early days of audio- much lower coloration at lower frequencies.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop Thank you for the trick about using sand, and thank you to this whole thread (and video) for showing the world something I've been thinking about since I bought my compressor: how much quieter is it in a box? I'd think a simple box, then filled with sand and made double-wall, would be the way to go. Less build time, plenty of sound dampening.
@@Nphen let me know how it goes!
what about zig zag walls, i heard no one talking about this here buts its commonly used in stuidios
Nice video. However, one thing I would like to recommend is to reroute the on/off switch to somewhere more convenient. If you were to get a broken hose or connection somewhere when you are not in the garage the compressor will keep running until it destroys itself from overheating. It's a good idea to turn off the compressor when you are not using it to avoid this risk.
We shut ours off at the breaker box. Done.
@@dolphincliffs8864 I recently Discovered Most American Outlets don't have on/off switches at the wall powerpoint. They rely on the product having an off/on swith built in which is terrifying as an Australian who can't imaging leaving a 240 volt outlet plugged in and turned on indefinitely hahaha
@@ArtyMars I agree it is stupid how we do it here however,in our case the compressor and outlet is out of reach.
@@dolphincliffs8864 the amount of times however I’ve been going mental trying to figure out why something won’t turn on tho and it’s just not turned on at the outlet hahah I’ve wasted hours of my life on that 😂😂😂
@@ArtyMars There's a lot about our standard electrical practices that doesn't seem like the best idea tbh. Daisy-chained stab connector receptacles are a convenient way to do things, but a little time spent pigtailing can make things a lot more reliable for instance.
This guy built a 16th order tripple iso clamshell reverse anti bandpass air compressor enclosure.
Im actually impressed with his box building skills
Haha, that sounds cool 😎 Let's go with that 😋
I've built several of these over the years before I bought an actual silent compressor, the type made from adapted refrigeration compressors, which are, well, no more noisy than your refrigerator. I would use actual carpet for the insulation and foam. They all worked pretty good, but yours is impressive.
That's a scroll compressor. The main downside is that oil needs to be mixed with the incoming air stream to lubricate the scroll pump and motor bearings, or it will eventually seize and burn up. The oil is finely atomized into the air stream by the scroll, so you need an oil mist removal trap and filter on the output side.
If a scroll compressor is pumping into a compressed air line, if it is turned off it can't deal with the output pressure. It will stall and hum, and trip the thermal reset. You need a way to unload the output pressure so it can start easily.
@@DMahalko I don't know about current refrigeration compressors, but the compressor I have has a piston. It has no rings and compresses air via a thin layer of oil between the piston and cylinder wall and yes, you do get some oil in the air. This requires some really good filters because these units are often (or used to be) used as dental compressors.
Most compressors should have a check valve after the pump and before the tank as well as a pressure relief or unloader valve incorporated into the pressure switch because, as you pointed out, the motor may not be able to start the pump while it's under load.
More isolation inside and around the box will help, particularly from the floor. Use suitable sound deadening material, often dense material with less dense foam and an undulating suface. Also consider connecting the inlet and outlets to tubes going outside.
Excellent video!
Not only it appears to be a cleverly thought build, but also the writing/recording/editing is, I think, really well done.
Thank you and congrats, new sub!
Hehe, it does look like a sub woofer 😂 Thanks!
The key is: HIGH PITCH NOISE!
Lower high pitch noise and you will get a better quality work environment. That is what your video proves excellently.
And if you want to decrease *lower pitched noise* (bass) just add foamy / ragged materials inside the walls of the enclosure box. That would have helped a lot.
Thank you for this little but fantastic video. Greetings from Portugal.
You summarized it perfectly 🤩 That's exactly my opinion as well. I have some rumbling noise now from vibrations going into the wooden floor. It's not very loud and not very annoying. I have plans to add some soft rubber to the compressor feet and under the box to reduce it 😊
Apart from honest this video has a great educational value to it because its unrestricted by ego and pride that's seen far to often in CZcams videos. He willingly saved his mistakes for others to see only it was up to us to figure it out. Your truly awesome thanx👍
Thanks a lot, that was very kind words 🙂 Sometimes things just does not work out as you expect. I have found it best to just admit the failure when it happens and come forward with it. If others can learn from or reflect on my mistake, then at least something good has come out of it. Not many has commented on this (if any?), I guess you have a eye for noticing the underlaying story Steve 👍😁 Thank you very much for you positive comment!!!
@@kihestad your welcome sir👍
Well done! one way to make it even quieter, is to simply build a box around the box, with empty space between the outer and inner wall. Same principle as in sound studios, called room inside a room. Double walls, double doors, double glass window.
I really appreciate all 4 side-by-side examples at the same volume at the end, and the honest assessment of the project!
Great 👍😊 Glad you found it useful
It has probably been said elsewhere in the comments, but your "strange exhaust contraption" in my country is referred to as a "baffle". Fantastic job on the build. I like the design. It is really too bad it did not work as well as you wanted. :(
Ah yes, baffle is the name 😊 The box was not the success I hoped for, but not a total failure either. At least it was a fun project and I learned a lot 😊
"You need to drain the tank, it will rust and fail eventually!" I agree, but I never drained my work compressor and it works 1000 times harder than my house compressor. The things that failed on all the compressors that I ever owned wasn't tanks, was the compressor from lack of oil (changes or "sealed no oil" compressors). I had a tank last 3 compressors, the last 2 not same brand and used, over 15 years by the sea. So clearly ideal environment for rust and humidity...
Yeah but a failed tank is catastrophic. A failed motor is not...
Holy, jesus I just scrolled down to say how well presented this was and how well explained it was and saw the subscriber count; this channel easily has the production value of a channel a million times it's size. 10/10 stuff, seriously just, god.
Thanks a lot, that was very kind words!! 🤩It is so many skillful people creating so much great content here on CZcams, it's not easy to be "discovered" amongst the crowd. I think that is OK, you should have to put in some effort to earn your spot. It's the same as in any profession really. It seems like this video got a little extra traction now, I normally have around 500 visitors per day - and not I suddenly got 60 000 😁 I have to admit - it was a bit scary... 😂
Thank you very much Ki for sharing this information, it is very helpful to me now, since I'm soon to build for both a very noisy outdoor generator and a very noisy air compressor sound attenuating boxes. Hopefully, I'll get this done before my neighbors start taking drastic measures. I liked the baffle systems for both intake and exhaust ports that you designed. Again. thank you for all the work you put into this video.
I've seen this done with generators used at events, (yes, they have very quiet ones, but very expensive). They built a box with baffles and used fiberglass, which is not a good sound killer, then they used a squirrel cage fan, which was small, quiet and blew a lot of air into the box to keep it from overheating. It was not silent, but it drastically reduced the noise. I also watched a demonstration where they took a 55 gallon drum, lined it with fiberglass, then put a old school bell in it, put the lid on and it only slightly muffled the sound, then they used the blown-in insulation made with shredded paper, and it made a huge difference in the reduction of sound. This was to show the difference of how much quieter your house could be using a different insulation in the attic.
Sounds great 👍 I would assume this kind of box will work quite similar for a generator as for an air compressor. You might have to deal with exhaust from the engine, and perhaps even more heat than from an air compressor, but otherwise much of the same 😊
Great video, absolutely hilarious watching the multiple attempts getting it up the stairs into your attic. Not sure why this is showing up in my feed after a year but a lot of people are commenting recently and you are replying which is awesome. I read a few of the comments and have the same ideas about some improvements, ie, removing the direct coupling to the box from the feet (I saw you had some padding inside, but removing the wheels and using something like a rubber engine mount, adding padding to the bottom of the box on the exterior, etc... Those are minor though compared to reducing the sound vs vibration. I think however though you have partially designed a slot loaded subwoofer or something similar with the zig zag chamber, I think using eggshell foam or any soundproofing foam would be better than the fabric unless that fabric was specifically made for sound. Also, if you used a breathable foam filter on the input and output of the box to do more noise attenuation but increased the airflow to make up for loss it should have made it even quieter. I don't know if I trust a manufacturer that builds both db meters and air compressors though.😆
Thanks a lot for your feedback, especially fun to see that you noticed that I try my best to reply to all the comments. That has been just natural for me up until now, if anyone takes time to post me a comment I sure want to take time to reply to it. This video suddenly got a lot of traction, so now I struggle a lot now to keep up 😋
Agree with your thoughts, my next improvement will be to tackle the vibrations. The fabric I used on the channels was just something I had laying around, it is not made for sound absorption at all, perhaps I could look into that and add a thicker and better material. I will have to look into breathable foam filter, thanks for the tips!
Haha - I buy a lot of my tools and equipment from Biltema, a Scandinavian retail store chain. It's like buying stuff from Amazone or eBay, most of their products comes from China and you can normally find the same products with different colors and under different names. Their products are cheep and has decent quality, but is not typically the tools you see professionals use (for sure 😊)
Make sure you provide a way to open the drain on the bottom to let out the water! You don't want the tank to rust and burst, it can be pretty violent when that happens.
Absolutely! It's a bit cumbersome as it is now, I need to open the four eccentric locks and pull of the door and then take the compressor out of the box. It takes no more than 5 minutes, but it's enough to postpone it to the next day 🙄I better put on a line and have it on the outside....
@@kihestad there are automatic drain solenoids you can add that work on a timer. Connect it to the power when the compressor is turn on and route the drain outside to make it low maintenance and safe.
Take some largish iron pipe. id recommend atleast 1" bigger is better. Put in a T and a drip leg and drain valve and then a vertical component the longer the better. From the air compressor take your pressure off the drain side yea this is the wet side but now we constantly drain the condensate. Run that to the T. Off the top of the pipe elbow reducer regulator and moisture trap/dryer.
Now 100% of that water gets blowm out of the tank into this vertical pipe. The air cools in this large manifold and the moisture falls out dropping into the drip leg. Being large the air flow is low and the water condenses out and runs to the bottom were you should reduce and install a drain valve on the drip leg ideally routed outside so you can just blow that water out. Mine doesnt get any moisture in the trap.
What a wonderful video! It will save many people from doing the same, and if they want it extra quiet, then they now have a way to do it thanks to you. I know that I will for sure buy a Biltema quiet compressor - I did not know they had one this quiet! You have a great sense of humor and a talent for making videos! Thank you for this.
Thank you very much - that was a lot of compliments 😳
Great video and believe it or not you got better results than you thought, 85dB to 70 dB is achieving a 5.6x reduction ! The silent compressor is only half the capacity so is not at all comparable ? Buy a screw compressor that is quieter than a piston type but the cost is was more. Bang for your buck with a home build from surplus material will be great value for most guys. Remove the plastic wheels and rubber mount the compressor inside the box to minimise vibration transfer will help some more. Your car air cleaner's design is to cut intake noise, try the same on the compressor and get some auto sound deadening sheet stuck to the compressor tank as well.
Thanks 😊 I guess I have over-simplified and even misunderstood how the decibel scale actually works. The new air compressor is approx half the capacity compared to the old one. For my usage I have not noticed it that much, except when using my sand blasting gun or when just blowing air. A screw compressor would have been great, but as you say to expensive for a hobbyist, and too big as well 😏
11:22 that’s how ALL “unboxing” videos should be!
Pretty efficient unboxing 😁 Glad you liked it, thank you so much for your positive feedback 😊
Must admit you are right. Been trying a few different ways to dampen the sound of an old oil compressor but my simple quick solutions didn't have much effect and I could see i was still going to have a problem even if i went whole hog. The new silent compressors is way lower in the 1st place and not sure its worth quieting as its acceptable for my garage.
Sounds like you had the same experience as me 😑 Thanks for the feedback 😊
i really appreciate guys who do their sound test with a sound meter. Thank you!
Trying my best to document and verify the result, without going too deep into the most nerdy stuff 😜🤓
I have had a similar experience. 5 years ago I had a 1200W old style compressor like your one, very loud and it does occupy quite some amount if real estate. I tried various things to make it quieter with little success. I then moved overseas and left it behind. The replacement compressor I chose is also similar to yours, 800W 2 stage diaphragm type with a 30L tank and super quiet and oil free design. A literal quantum leap from the old one and also way smaller and lighter, I can just take it where I need it and store it in a smaller space. I also use a much smaller diameter 10m hose that takes up 1/10 the space and weight of the old one and does not seem to affect performance. I can use the new one inside the house without noise problems. I could even use this to run an airbrush it's so quiet. Well worth the upgrade.
I think your experience is very similar to mine indeed! 😊 It's not every day a equipment upgrade feels like a quantum leap, but I agree: this one does 👍🤩
@@kihestad upon reflection I realize that the only good thing about the old compressor was the handle was easier to reach because it was physically larger but the new one is so light I can just carry it around. This is one rare zero regret purchase, another was my cordless Lithium impact driver. There is synergy there too because the cordless driver replaced many air tools which require a large CFM compressor.
I love the "should you build it? no there are better and cheaper options. But if you've done them, then you don't have a choice anymore!".
I like the consideration of different use cases. Great project too!
He created a speakerbox, not a sounds reducing casting. Therefore the result is very poor
@@ronaldjesse9892 What should he have done differently? Isn't a speaker box the desired kind of enclosure in this case?
Thanks Dan 😊that was a decent summary!
@Ronald Jesse: But the result was actually great... I think you might have missed some parts of the movie - there is a hidden plot twist in it, some needs to see the video a couple of times before they catch it! 😊
Outstanding video. One of the very best I've seen on YT. I'll definitely be watching more of your channel.
Thanks, glad you liked it 😌 I have been busy with work- and non-video-relevant home projects for the last few months, but I hope to be able to pick up the camera again very soon 😊
@@kihestad Well earnt praise. Clearly the quieter machine is the way to go, as is the remote installation. Regarding the box, I believe the baffle boards on the outlet side would be a little more effective if they were more sound reflective. Bathroom tiles might work. The box itself will be most transparent to sound at the resonant frequencies of the panels. These frequencies would ideally be shifted away from the frequencies produced by the compressor, by bracing or reinforcement. You probably know all this :-)
I am definitely not a sound engineer 🙄 I have not considered using reflective material inside the channels to bounce the sound waves. My plan was to use soft materials to dampen and hopefully absorb some of the noise.
@@kihestad Right. The reflective material would force the sound to travel the zig-zag though the exhaust, rather than going right through the MDF. It's probably not worth the trouble though.
I've found that stuffing sealable plastic bags with Rockwell, and placing them inside things like noisy computer cases, is fairly effective.
Thank you for the effort and demonstration. My old air compressor is one of the high rpm oil free very loud ones. It's 30 years old and I'm becoming afraid that the tank is unsafe so it's time to get a replacement. When I had my workshop built I made provisions to put the compressor in a storeroom in the adjacent garage. Even though there is an insulated wall separating the shop and the garage you convinced me to buy a "silent" compressor.
It's hard to know how much rust it might be on the inside of the tank after 30 years. Replacing it with silent one sounds like a smart move 😊
Thank you for the honest opinion. Everyone wants to DIY sometimes just for the sake of DIYing a solution that already exists.
I guess you are right about that 😊 The satisfaction of you making something is of course there, regardless if it is an objective success or not 😊
love it you made a technically a 6th order band pass speaker box for your compressor that box could be quieter with a few mods
It has very many similarities with a speaker box, I have made some of those as well over the years. I am no expert though, any tips are welcome!
Excellent video, well thought out. Entertaining and informative.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! My back is finally OK again after dragging the box up the stairs 😂🤣
Interesting video. I like the video editing, and the explanations. For me, the entertainment value was worth the watch. The information was just a plus. His workmanship was outstanding also.
That was a great noise reduction box, i made one for a water pump and it makes a huge difference in the sound but it wasnt half as good as this box.
Thank you very much for your project information. Very good solution.
Glad to hear it, thanks 😊
VERY GOOD, perfect project! I just lost an extremely silent Dental Compressor due to lifespan and in this update I bought a similar to the one in the video but it really is humanly impossible to use it in my home workshop, even if it is located outside my home. Thanks for sharing!
PS: This tutorial was so splendid, that we even forgot -as viewers- how the film direction, the pre-production of the actual setting, the photography, the lighting, the angles and shots of the scenes, the speechs, as well as the entire post-production, refined and very didactic in the final product, not to mention the FX and the subliminal humor always present, with an EPIC ending, congratulations!
Ahh, I can just imagine how silent a dental compressor is 😌 Thank you so much for your kind words! I am so glad you enjoyed the video, and especially for noticing all the small details 😊😊😊
Excellent video. We’ve gone down the road in silencing a compressor. Here, we liked the style of the cinematography, the BEST of any such CZcams presentations… humorous and self-effacing. Great. Let’s face it, shop workers can’t avoid getting old, but we can avoid being old and deaf [due to occupational noise exposure]. We have built two compressor enclosure boxes outside our shops, and using many of the same principles used here. We didn’t want to annoy the neighbors when doing shop work on the weekends. Since we could build our boxes outside, we used simple masonry block [CMUs] walls [basically glued together] for the basic enclosure: the higher the mass, the lower the acoustic transmission through the structure. We also used baffles just like shown, on the input and output. Air goes around corners but sound wants to travel straight unless reflected. Though, we took advantage of using acoustic tile for baffles rather than solid material. We disagreed somewhat with the conclusion: we thought the author’s effort was worth it. Of course, one can always buy another quieter compressor, but there is the satisfaction of silencing one that is noisy! A final reduction to 35dB is really good from what we think was an initial 85dB: that’s like from listening to a lawn mower, to less than a library. Congratulations!
Thanks for the positive feedback, and for your thoughts 😊 sounds like a very good solution you made, moving the compressor to a shed outside the working space is smart 👍
Probably not what you intended but this is a REALLY good illustration about how DB is a logarithmic scale.
Haha, this is so well done Hestad 👏🏻 The details in the sfx when trying to pull it up the stairs. Amazing stuff, I love this kinda "good old neighbour" vibe (the old animated series on tv) So much to learn from this video. The angles, the storytelling with the camera, yes. really well done 🔥
Thanks Thomas 😊 Trying for each video to improve slightly.
'Good old neighbor' - yes I remember the animated series, a neighbor that always wanted to help but always messed up. Defenetly how I felt trying to get the almost 100kg case up the stairs 😁
I have the Czech cartoon vibe - "Pat and Mat". It might be the same because it's called different in different countries.
@@PeterYannick It is the same yes 👏🏻
I had the same idea, of enclosing my compressor, but I thought you were going to say "don't do it because it'll overheat and blow up!" lol. I'm happy to learn that you just don't think it's worth it but it'll be fine :) My idea is to build an entire room for it (my compressor/tank is large) and use double stud walls with rockwool insulation. If what I've read is accurate about double stud walls and I get at least an STC 50 room then I will reduce the decibels/noise by ~50 as well.
I think you have a solid plan there 👌👍 I live on the north-west coast of Norway, the warmest summer days are normally max 25C = 77F. The ventilation I built into the box has luckily worked fine for me 🙂
Great, informative video. And you have the BEST audience input I have ever read, wow, the ideas, thorough explanations and additional ways to reduce noise with all the reasons of how and why.
Yes, I have learned so much from the comment section for this video. It's a lot of skilled people out there, made me understand I did not really know that much 😣
Awesome video and awesome build! Thanks for the final thoughts, I was planning on building an enclosure for my compressor as well, but will rethink it because of you. Subscribed!
Glad if the video could be of help! 😊And thanks a lot for the sub!
My compressor isn't exactly silent, but I do have ear plugs. I run a small, old crapman oil-less with plans to upgrade to something substantially better. I used to have a 60 gallon Sanborn oil comp which was really quiet, but youth and alcohol made sure I sold it prematurely years ago..
I could build most any box i wanted being I own my own cabinet shop, but I also own several machines that are every bit if not noisier than the AC so enclosing the AC would be...how can I say,...redundant? Table saw, planer, joiner, etc.. You get the gist..Try using a planer! You better wear ear protection with one of those and to build an enclosure for it would mean an entirely new shop inside my shop after I made the original shop twice as big..LOL I'm too poor and at 62 I've survived all these years in a noisy environment with no appreciable hearing loss.
Nice job though..
Thanks, and very good points. If all other machines in the workshop are noisy, runs frequently, and you use hearing protection all the time, a silent air compressor is probably less important. In my garage it is normally quite silent, and I don't use air plugs normally. The air compressor turns on and off by itself, while other machines are started manually. When I use my angle grinder I always put on my hearing protection first. When my old noisy air compressor started it was always a surprise, making me jump like a scared chicken... felt like I got a heart attack each time 😂
Tip. If you have to haul something heavy like that up or down, put a pulley on the box, anchor one end of your rope to the wall or the steel leg of the bench. Now when you pull on the rope you have 2:1 mechanical advantage -- you pull twice as much rope but only half the weight. Also if you can run the rope you are pulling on around the other steel leg, if you need to stop you just bend the rope against the leg and it stops - you won't have to hold all that weight.
Those baffles shouldn't be made the chip board, that's a hard surface. They don't need to be structural, so just use foam, egg crate sound proofing foam is best. Now you just have to make sure if you use it a lot it doesn't overheat.
One way to sound proof a compressor outdoors is to just build a surround and let the noise go straight up.
Thanks for the advice. My back was hurting for several days, a pulley would have been smart 😔
Fantastic work ! You've totally mastered the subject and saved me a ton of time trying to do the same. THANK YOU
I'll go for the silent compressor, placed away in a corner with a few noise insulation panels on the walls and floor but no enclosure.
That sounds good 👍😊
@@kihestad Ha, I see what you did there...
I'm an audio engineer with a decent background in acoustics. It seemed like much of the sound was from vibrating the floor of the enclosure which transferred into the floor of the room and thus the air. I'd suggest reducing sympathetic resonance with a rubber or mastic flooring inside the enclosure. It won't make a huge difference, but it's an easy add and will attenuate a few more dB, and reduce vibration in your structure. Aloha!
Ahh, then you are much more qualified than me when it comes to understanding how sound works😊 I think you are spot on bout the vibrations. It is probably the biggest source of noise now. Will try to improve it by adding soft rubber, dampening foam or springs on the compressor and/or between the box and the floor to improve it. Thanks for the tips! 😊
You had mentioned that the new compressor, although significantly quieter, is also rated for much less capacity. Considering that the decibel scale is logarithmic, the sound reduction your enclosure had offered is very impressive. Yes, the old compressor may still have been loud inside the enclosure. If you have air tools that require that capacity then the enclosure can make it far more comfortable in the shop. In addition, an enclosure such as what you had constructed can be easily modified to use a readily available (and cheap) home heating air filter that would offer vastly greater particulate filtration and exponentially more surface area for filtration than the typical air filters used for shop compressors. If you are doing a lot of sanding and/ or grinding this particulate filtration will be appreciated by the compressor in the long run.
Aha, not 100% sure if I understood you correctly - but yes it would not be difficult to add filtration for the air the fan blows into the box. I am doing mostly metal work, so I dont have an extremely dusty environment, but for those who have this would be quite smart.
that really seems like an incredible result!! A 20 decibel reduction is insane
It's not bad at all 🙂
Great job thank you for your time and effort I do appreciate that!! And your video skills were awesome as well !!👏 👍
Where did you get 20 decibel reduction? 1st one- on box 98 decibel… recorded 85 decibel down to 71. Second one (watts 1/2 of 1st) - on box 78 decibel…recorded 59 decibel down to 51.
I just bought a California Air Tools compressor. Took care of the noisy compressor problem. You can have a normal conversation standing right next to it when on. Would highly recommend!
I have heard a lot of positive comments about California Air Tools, unfortunately they don't sell these here where I live. Not sure they are sold in Europe at all 😔
You got to love this totally overengineered approach, well done!😍👍👍
Me - overengineering? Nah... 😋😂
Interesting video, thanks for posting. One question for you: Have you found the increase in ambient temperature around the compressor to be causing any issues?
I have an important question.......how do you paint without getting at least a little paint on your clothes? Also, if the sound isolation enclosure reduces the noise too much then you could play a recording of the compressor on your cell phone to emulate a busy industrious work shop. You could inform visitors that you actually shrunk the compressor to fit into the cell phone case. Thank you for taking the time to produce and share this really neat project.
haha 😁 I normally get a lot of paint on my clothes, my secret solution is to use a separate set of clothes when painting, but use clothes similar to my "clean" outfit so nobody notices 😋 Use a recording of the compressor on my cell phone - what a great idea, that is my next ringtone!!!! 😂🤣😂 Glad you liked the video!
I sincerely appreciate your honest and informative approach! Subscribed!
Ahh, glad to hear it! Thanks a lot for the sub 😊
It looked to me like the vibration of the compressor was being transmitted through the box, so your design probably did a pretty good job of blocking the noise being transmitted through the air, but those vibrations being transmitted into the box itself make the outside of the box vibrate and emit it's own noise into your garage. You need to decouple the air compressor from the structure of the box. I would suggest something like a compressed rubber mat. It's pretty cheap and is used in sound and vibration dampening applications. I bought some years ago from a place that specialized in sound and vibration control materials, but you may be able to find it elsewhere too.
The other thought I had is if you're going to put it away up in your attic space, why not also look at separating the actual compressor from the tank. The actual compressor is pretty small. Most of the space is being taken up by the tank and the trolley to wheel it around. If it's going to be fixed in place, you could probably take the compressor off of the tank and frame and just enclose that in the sound proof box, then run lines to connect it to the tank and the rest of your system. That would allow you to either build a smaller box, or add more dampening material or baffles to the box.
I liked your build and thought process. I think a lot of the benefit you had was simply from distance.
For my existing “pancake” style compressor, I would probably look at moving the moving parts further away, and leaving the tank in the shop. Ideally, I’d like a larger tank too.
I really enjoyed your video. But, note that air compressors in general have very poor efficiency and that means there is a lot of heat procuced inside the small volume of the enclosure. I would guess like 80% of the installed power is lost. So a lot of cooling air must be circulated around the compressor at all times. If the temperature inside the enclosure rises the efficiency of the compressor will be even worse.
Thanks a lot, glad you liked it 😊 It's a pretty cold climate here where I live in Norway, in the Northern part of Europe. I have actually fitted a heat pump in my garage to be able to use during winter time. I can see this is a bigger challenge in warmer climate, and a more powerful fan or event radiator cooling could be needed if it's in a very warm environment.
@@kihestad We are pretty much neighbours then.LOL Gteetings from Sverige.
I put mine in a plastic container on top of a stack of campaign signs. I needed to keep it from vibrating into the floor of my upstairs shop.
Your solution is light-years more brilliant and sophisticated. I appreciate those who appreciate quietude, as I. All the best.
Thanks, I really do appreciate quietude 😊
Very good ideas! One tip I would give you is to add a fan at the exhaust end of the box. Therefore it creates a low pressure inside the box which the intake fan blows in and the air will be sucked out much better.
Edit: hopefully that makes sense. 🙂
It probably depends on how well the intake fan runs. If it's providing enough CFM, one fan could be sufficient.
This guys episodes are some magic school bus shit. Love it.
hehe, wished for some magic when pulling that case up the stairs 😂
my favourite part about home shops is the bespoke elements people add to them; your silent compressor box is awesome for that reason alone
I grew up around noisy compressors. When it was time to buy my own I dread the thought of noisy. I bought a diaphragm pump design (Chicago brand) and never been happier. I hear it when it's on but it's not disturbing. 69dB Chicago Hush 50.
That is not bad at all, you can absolutely tolerate 69db noise once in a while 👍
Something else that I don't think people necessarily realize, moving up to a larger oil bath belt drive compressor has big impact on the sound. It's incredible how much quieter my big 5hp unit is compared to my old small oil less direct drive.
Yes, I have heard some of those. They are not only more quiet, but the sound from them is much less annoying as well. You have to go up in size and prize though... 😬
@@kihestad New price for sure is hard to justify for light use. thought I had a quite old belt driven oil bath compressor that was of similar size as yours picked up for free in need of repair. After a compressor pump rebuild and a new tank it worked quite well and despite still being small, was very pleasant on the ears. As they say - they don't make them like they used to!
ahh, cool - I would love to get hold of a old one and fix it 🙂
Sorry I dont get it; are No-Oil comps quieter? Coz I was looking for a silent comp and the silent + oilless models are sold as a technological progress.
@@EthanTheEx Oil-less compressors have been typically a lot louder. Mainly, I think, because they also tended to be direct drive. So the compressor pump is turning at the same RPM as the motor and sometimes the motor is also turning at 3400rpm instead of 1700rpm! Makess them super loud.
Oil bath pumps tended to be large displacement, so they can turn slowly for the same CFM output. Technically I'm not sure there is any reason you couldn't apply the teflon piston rings and permanently lubricated bearings AND a high displacement slow RPM pump. But for whatever reason it's just not typically done?
Great idea, another idea, the biggest part of your box is the tank, so if you separate the compressor from the tank, the compressor box could be in your attic and the tank in your workshop or somewhere else, all connected with hoses
Thanks ! Leon
Yes, it really is a good idea 👍 I just did not think of it as an option when I started the project 😫 I would probably have done it now, if I where to do it again. Would have made my box smaller and easier to build, and it could have been even more insulated.
@@kihestad I really enjoyed seeing the precision work you put into building the box. extending Leon's idea of putting the compressor in the attic, maybe put it in your neighbours house and use their electricity too (just kidding!). I am also suffering severe 'workshop envy' of your super clean and bright workshop space.
Hehe, I guess I like it tidy 😊
A great video demonstrating the logarithmic way decibels work.
Thanks! 😊
Nice job, if not a bit of overkill. Some of it was in the wrong direction, however. There are a few keys to sound deadening:
1. The first principle of sound deadening is mass. The greater the mass of the enclosure, the less it vibrates. Also, higher mass minimizes energy transfer between the noisy object and the enclosure. Higher mass has a lower resonant frequency, and is more likely to turn the sound energy into heat rather than conducting it. See #4
2. Second is vibration isolation. Dense foam or rubber pads under the compressor between it and the enclosure will help immensely. Also between the enclosure and the structure it sits on to prevent vibrating the whole building. Again, see #4
3. Absorption. You have done a pretty good job in that regard, with the baffles and so on, but you need a thicker and denser material than that rag cloth for better absorption. High density closed cell foam, carpet underlay, or automotive audio sound deadening mat would work way better. Higher density materials are better than light ones for the low frequency sounds of the compressor. Light materials work better for high frequency sounds, the lower the frequency the higher density needed.
4. Conduction: Decoupling of the panels used to make the box. Gluing a dense foam sheet material between two sheets of MDF makes a great sound deadening panel. Use this sandwich as your external box material, and as a "pad" to mount the compressor on inside the box. Also, a panel between the box and the floor.
5. Sealing: In order to prevent air leaving the enclosure from carrying sound waves with it, the enclosure should be basically airtight. This is not really possible in your situation, as you need to remove built up heat. Your baffle arrangement is the next best thing. See #3
As several other people mentioned, the compressor air intake is a major source of noise. It is a direct pipe to the piston and valves. Adding a coaxial tubular muffler in series with the intake pipe (very similar in construction to an automotive muffler ) will make a huge difference. Just a piece of PVC pipe stuffed with rolled up carpet underlay (dense) and some adapters will work wonders. Plumbing the air inlet outside the building will also plumb the noise outside as well. Cooler incoming air will result in less heat buildup too. Sucking hot air from inside the box is not really a good idea.
Also mentioned by others, you definitely need a water drain accessible on the outside of the box. There are automatic drains which are a simple solenoid valve. When you power on the compressor, it closes the valve and allows pressure buildup, when you turn off the mains switch it opens and drains water through a hose to a suitable drain or receptacle.
Finally, keep a close eye on the heat buildup in the enclosure. Your small fan may not provide enough airflow to keep the box cool under high duty cycle use. You risk early demise of the motor and bearings, not to mention the possibility of starting a fire.
Thanks a lot for a thorough analysis and for a lot of tips 💡👍 I have planned some improvements based on comments, and I think you have pinpointed most of them 😊 I have limited space where I have put my compressor box, so I cannot make it any bigger, but I will try to improve it on the 'inside'.
you can swap mass for tension, push the resonance up in frequency so that the sound sources don't trigger it.
My compressor is quite old. There are several youtube videos available on rusty tanks exploding that have caused significant damage to the garage, including buckling the doors. Putting it in a box seems like it might add to the scrapnel effect if something goes wrong. My next move woiuld be to put it under a cover outside. Just a thought. Thanks for doing the research.
Tried to Google the "shrapnel effect" - not sure if I got it right, something to do with supercooled condensation?? I might have got this wrong 😂
I thought in case of an explosion the box could work as a layer of protection to reduce the impact. Like putting a metal helmet over a grenade to reduce the explosion. The weak point of the box is probably the locks on the door, so it will probably come flying out.... 🙄
17°c is around low 60s in °f. That's a good temp, but a little chilly with a breeze. I like the baffles you did on the box same thing on a smaller size scale with more paths is in a car muffler. However it's looking a lot like a speaker box so far to me.
I really need to learn the conversion from Celsius to Fahrenheit 😋 And yes, it really do look like a speaker box, it's almost like a sub woofer (I have built plenty of those as well) 😊
I agree with your conclusion; a lot of effort and money for little benefit. When trying to suppress sound you should work on the principle that the only things that are truly effective are mass and isolation (not insulation). I realise that it was impractical in this case but if the box had been built out of heavy concrete blocks and the compressor had been standing on a thick rubber mat the sound transmission would have been greatly reduced.
first video I have seen of yours and I just have to say how much I appreciate the funky jams brother
Ahh - cool you noticed the funky beat, it's absolutely my favorite music 😎
I'm hoping I can get my compressor down to a comfortable level. I live in a retirement community with strict anti noise regulations in Florida. I'm going to build the box and also install a better muffler..That should also help . Nice Honda motorcycle btw.. Those things are classic.
Good luck with the noise reduction project. I would probably have used more soft dampening material in the input and output channels to get it even more quiet. Make sure you have plenty of ventilation, I know it can be quite hot in Florida! 🥵😬 The old Honda is very nice. It is still winter and snow here in Norway where I live, but the spring time and the motorcycle season is just around the corner 😊
If you’re in a community with noise regulations, might be better to just go electric anywhere you can.
Because quieting a compressor to 70db is impressive. Most air tools are noisier at that point, and you can’t really make an impact wrench quieter.
I did the same thing for a generator I have. It works great in the sense that the box I made significantly reduces noise. The problem is that the unit will overheat after about 10 minutes and shut down. I went through a bunch of ideas how to exhaust the heat from the motor that does not escape through the muffler but can’t quite figure it out. The engine heat trapped in the box is dangerous for your equipment be advised
For a generator, just put four panels around it with the top open. It quiets it right down.
I like your tidy, clean workshop and a very good video presentation, the inlet and outlet are called 'baffles'. We had a large industrial compressor and it was loud, one of the mechanics put the air intake up through the roof and it was much better, if you have the room, just put it outside with a roof over.
Thanks 😊Ahh, yes - battles it is!
I agree, putting it outside of the workshop is probably the easies and smartest solution to the problem 😊Unfortunately, I just dont have space for it. My garage is placed with minimum distance to two of my neighbors. The side facing my own property is not usable either, as it's just a slim path between my garage outer wall and a concrete retaining wall. In front of the garage door is no good either 😋
Your advice at the end sent me out for a new compressor. THANKS!
Glad if my video could be of help 👍 hope u find a decent one 😊
in my mind the drop in volume of noise from the first compressor was the difference between it being outside in the open air compared to it being in a neighbours house
the difference in the second one was not as dramatic, but since it started off so much quieter it is still very impressive
Yes I agree. Not sure why, but it might be harder and harder to get rid of the noise the lower the volume is? Perhaps it's just because the noise noise reduction is like a fixed percentage, for example 25%, and the amount of sound reduced is then more when it's louder? It could be just that my box was more efficient to reduce the soundwaves from the old compressor 🤔
Maybe with a simple foam pad between the box and the floor, it will keep the vibrations from transmitting the floor and make it more quiet :)
Maybe a yoga mat will do~
Yes, I think you are right. It's the vibrations from the box to the floor now causing most noise. A Yoga mat was actually a very good idea! If remember correct it is a bit "sticky" as well? The box does some times slide into the wall because of the vibrations, and then even more noise get transferred to the room. Perhaps a Yoga mat will avoid it moving sideways! I'll have to test it - thanks a lot for the tips! 👍😊
@@kihestad let us know if it helps :)
I used an old used shipping crate lined with recycled egg crate style foam. Worked like a charm. You can stand next to the crate and barely hear the compressor running.
Excellent and detailed work, very well explained.
Thanks, glad you liked it 👍☺️
Very interesting, there's actually a loudspeker internal design named "labyrinth" that very much resembles your contraption but there the idea is that it actually amplifies the sound instead of dampening it... curious to see if it works
I have built a couple of loudspeakers and subwoofers, the box is quite similar and uses a lot of the same principles 😊 The sound waves are quite effectively reduced with this design, the baffles makes it hard for them to escape the box. Most of the high pitched noise (the most annoying sound) are removed, but some of the lower tones escapes as you will hear at the end of the video when I test it. I guess this is some of the same effect a subwoofer ensures with it's design. Since the compressor is not the same as a speaker membrane, it does not produce that much deep (bass) sound waves, so it is the high frequency noise that is most important to remove. It works quite well, have been using the compressor a lot lately, and I can barely notice it when it turns on 😁 I have some issues with vibration that is transferred through the wooden floor after moving it upstairs, will have to look at that....🙄
They sell anti vibration pads for appliances which could take this the rest of the way and make it even quieter. Because most of the sound you're left with now is low frequency sound from the compressor shaking and transmitting through the floor and into the walls of the box by putting pads under the compressor it should make a noticeable difference. I think they sell these for washing machines and should be pretty cheap.
Yes, I think you are 100% spot on! I have put it on some rubber pieces I had, but they are to hard and slippery. The box has several times moved itself sideways because of the vibrations, unitil it hits the wall - and then the vibrations also get transferred that way .. 🥴 I have also got a tip using special dampening springs, guess these washing machine pads are easiest to get hold of. Thanks for the tip!!! 👍👍👍
A lot cheaper and easier to buy a compressor that is a quiet model. I bought one from hitachi that is almost silent. I use it in my church work and it works as advertised. Great video and project!
Glad to hear you have come to the same conclusion as me. Thanks a lot for you comment! 😊
100% appreciate the brutal honesty of the result.
Thanks 😊
Notice how much quieter without end door on. You might want to put this INSIDE another box with rock wool insulation or air between NO CONTACT Also put each box on neoprene at least 1/4 inch thick. Thicker insulaton in baffles might well help too, like 1 inch rock wool / sound rated insualtion board with cleanable surface. These baffle surfaces will pack up with dust.
I put my compressor outside. Remote AC, sound box that is weather proof, long hose.
That sounds like a perfect solution 😊Would have loved to do something similar, but I just dont have space for it. My garage is placed with minimum distance to two of my neighbors. The side facing my own property is not usable either, as it's just a slim path between my garage outer wall and a concrete retaining wall. In front of the garage door is no good either 😋
Add a 90-degree bend to the filter inlet and replace the filter/silencer with a bigger, upsized one. The larger size is to reduce any possible restrictions caused by the bend and increase the filter's capacity. It is low cost and easy to do.
We do this for all our shop and portable compressors. It is probably the easiest modification that will make most compressors quieter-not silent, but a measurable difference.
Wonder if that would make it even quieter when it’s inside the box? 🤔 could have been an interesting experiment ☺️
Don't forget that dB is on a logarithmic scale. Half the dB isn't half the noise, check it out. Great video well done. Especially your honest review at the end.
Cool project. You might want to add a smart switch so you can turn it on with google home or Alexa
Thanks 😊 I have actually a Google home in the garage, and a couple of smart switches as well, it was a very good idea!
Lol.