Free Will In Islam: How Aren't Muslims Determinists?
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2021
- Free Will In Islam: How Aren't Muslims Determinists? By Mohammed Hijab
Link Of Mohammed Hijab's Essay On Qadr/Divine Decree & Free Will:
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Lol nah you did bro Hijab wrong with that thumbnail 😭
"Determined to be Free" "compels the slave into free will"
compatibilism isnt compatible with hard-determinism. They heard about the concept and try to apply it to Islam not-knowing that i doesnt work for them.
How ?
@@ShahNawaz-uj9gy Where there is pred-estination, there is no Free Will, Therefore Compabitilism is not applikable.
@@flembarbossa4834but I guess that's what hijab said you can't understand it so we can say it's a part of faith since God can do anything he can creat a scenario like this
@@ShahNawaz-uj9gy This is the same logic christians use to argue for the trinity. if you admit this then you pretty much admit that there's no rational path to islam, how will you convince a person that isn't religious that your god is real if there's a basic contradiction in his religion and your only response is to appeal to this god?
Thank you so much.
The kadhaa and kadr and free-will it's a matter of belief that has no thing to do with our life science, however this belief in kadaa and kadar comes after establishing an origin belief which is believeing in Allah and in what Mohammad's message brought.
Example:
If I give you a showing proof that i can carry up 500kg, this fact makes you believe in my power. Now, what if someone told you that I could carry an elephant. Here surely you will believe in me basing on the origin belief with no need to a another proof (this's called rational proof).
Results:
The showing proof is the Quran which establishes the origin belief. when the origin belief is built, that leads to accept the second belief that has no need to any proofs.
What the purpose of all that?.
This's the sound belief that feeds our worshiping to Allah as like as we see him (IHSAN level) with trust, and that what makes the difference between the children of Adam who never seen or talked to Allah and the Angels who has already seen and talked to Allah.
For that reason the Angels have been commanded to bow to Adam, and for that purpose exactly the satan has taken us his enemy and we commanded as well in surat Alkahf to take him as our enemy).
Final fruit:
The real worshippers of Allah from the children of Adam are better than the Angels.
Allah said to the Angels in the Quran in surat Albakara " I know what don't know" this's when the Angels didn't realize the wisdom of making Adam and his children as khaleefa in the earth as a test for them where Allah gave them the free will to do what they want (obeying Allah or Obeying the Satan). However the Angels they're ordered to obey to Allah with no free will.
Conclusion:
Without understanding the whole story of pur creation and our purpose in this life we cannot absolutely realize the wisdom of believing in kadha an kadar.
Hijab read philosophy here and there and is trying to put that wherever he pleases.. There is no "free will" in Islam. Let me prove my point. It's not just the knowledge of Allah, it's his "actions", which is a problem for a Muslim to explain. For example -
[Says Adultery is fixed by Allah and there is no escape from it] - So, adultery is no human choice.
Chapter: The Son Of Adam's Share Of Zina Etc. Is Decreed For Him(5)باب قُدِّرَ عَلَى ابْنِ آدَمَ حَظُّهُ مِنَ الزِّنَى وَغَيْرِهِ
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. *Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it.* The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو هِشَامٍ الْمَخْزُومِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، حَدَّثَنَا سُهَيْلُ بْنُ أَبِي صَالِحٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " كُتِبَ عَلَى ابْنِ آدَمَ نَصِيبُهُ مِنَ الزِّنَى مُدْرِكٌ ذَلِكَ لاَ مَحَالَةَ فَالْعَيْنَانِ زِنَاهُمَا النَّظَرُ وَالأُذُنَانِ زِنَاهُمَا الاِسْتِمَاعُ وَاللِّسَانُ زِنَاهُ الْكَلاَمُ وَالْيَدُ زِنَاهَا الْبَطْشُ وَالرِّجْلُ زِنَاهَا الْخُطَا وَالْقَلْبُ يَهْوَى وَيَتَمَنَّى وَيُصَدِّقُ ذَلِكَ الْفَرْجُ وَيُكَذِّبُهُ " .
Reference : Sahih Muslim 2658a
In-book reference : Book 46, Hadith 33
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 33, Hadith 6422
And in the Hadith below, Muhammad himself disproves Free Will -
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. *Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?'* So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times.
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ حَفِظْنَاهُ مِنْ عَمْرٍو عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى، فَقَالَ لَهُ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ. قَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ يَا مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ، وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ، أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً. فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى، فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى " ثَلاَثًا. قَالَ سُفْيَانُ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِثْلَهُ.
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
In-book reference : Book 82, Hadith 20
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 77, Hadith 611
Adam says I'm not responsible for my actions because it was pre-determined. Being a Hindu, I'm happy that I don't believe in this stupidities.
I don't know about humans but I think God does not have total free will...
1. You can choose to cease to exist by committing suicide (God forbid!)...but God can never cease to exist...come what may...
So, how can God be called free?
2. You can choose to leave the path of goodness and start doing bad deeds...God can never ever even wish to do bad deeds..
So how come God has total free will??
You're correct as Muslims we don't take the same stance as some of our Christian counterparts who claim God can do anything we believe God can only do that which is in accordance with his nature
If he is eternal and immaterial, meaning he is indivisible by any force then we can assume through rationality that nothing physically efffects him, or was the cause of him. Hard determinists reject free will because of the properties of physical mechanisms, not because of the ideas of infinity or near infinity
@@fhvghjgjgf2501 You are right...
But, there is a further question..God has His nature (goodness, power etc.) by default. He hasn't worked hard fot it. He hasn't earned it.
So, what's great in such a being who has everything by default, without ever working hard for it or without ever earning it.
@@deechonada 1. How can you say/prove that immaterial things cannot be divided. It seems to be a conjecture...
2. How can you say that immaterial things can't be affected by physical things?
Our thoughts are immaterial. If we inject ourselves with some hormone/chemical, we feel happy/sad/afraid etc. Our thoughts change because of physical things.
So, it seems that material/physical things can also affect immaterial things.
@@deepakkapurvirtualclass @DEEPAK KAPUR Virtual Class Right you have a point, I dont think i explained my point very well, the Creator in mind is transcendental of the entire universe. He would by principle be independent of the universe as only components in the universe are dependent on eachother. I say immaterial because had He been material it would lead to an infinite regress, because matter has to be created. Immaterial things in a close system can be effected by material things, but we dont argue that God himself is in our universe, we believe hes transcendant of it. Don't get me wrong, i might not be the best at cosmology but it is easy to logically argue for a spaceless, timeless, matter-less being on the basis of first principle. You can disagree with me and the way i word my question, but you'd have to publish a paper to refute the philosophers that are in favour of my premises. I'm only a layman, if you want answers to your questions, read papers. Your questions aren't unanswerable because you asked random people on CZcams
Brothers manners please … you giving answers about islam to a brother on CZcams watched by thousands of people chugging on food like that doesn’t look good.. you look pretty arrogant.. subhanAllah
We must stop nitpicking and focus on bigger issues. Is it haraam to eat and give speech? Have you taken a opinion from scholar. Just because it doesn't look good is not a reason for not doing it.
And above all they are human beings, just look at their work & contribution to ummah, instead of useless criticism.
@@erTalhaKhan since when having done good deeds gives you the excuse to have bad manners? … and to answer your question NO I would not take an opinion of a scholar (mind you he is no Scholar he does dawah) If i see he has bad manners.
If the matter is as serious as you say it is. They should take it seriously and answer like a “scholar”
@@Sherif.1988 who are you define bad manners? Is it against Qur'an and sunnah- have you taken the advice from scholars?
Did I say they are scholars? I am simply saying stop pulling legs on petty issues and look at the bigger picture. I don't know if they have committed haram in this video while addressing an issue that leads people muslims & non muslims alike away from Allah. So set your priorities straight.
@@erTalhaKhan it is not a petty issue…when you post it on CZcams and it’s being watched by thousands of people…. Look man when a person burps and releases gas while talking to you.. do you need prove for it to be bad manners? … munching loudly on food while answering questions about islam is NOT OK. but I won’t argue no more you believe what you will
@@Sherif.1988 you can also believe what you will. I have asked you to provide a scholarly opinion about your criticism and not what you feel but if you can't then your argument is a mere opinion.
My point is to focus of bigger issues than these petty things and ofcourse its petty considering the issue being discussed. There are many problems with mannerism of many scholars and I can give you their names but that would be a futile argument.