Oral arguments went 'really poorly' for challengers to abortion pill: Neal Katyal
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- The Supreme Court heard oral arguments today in a case that could impact access to Mifepristone, an abortion pill. Our panel shared their takeaways from the landmark case.
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Oral arguments went 'really poorly' for challengers to abortion pill: Neal Katyal
#SupremeCourt #Abortion #Mifepristone
Pretty effective way to ensure a whole generation will vote against the GOP their entire life.
There's people that vote GOP because they still believe Democrats are the southern racists they were in the 1800s. And when redhats inevitably infect the Dem party people will keep voting Dem because people don't get politics ISN'T SPORTS
Except for the incels living in their parents’ basement
They gave up on earning votes a long time ago 🦅🦅🦅🦅
That's u til they grow up and realize the left are lunatics and generally have bad policies that destroy the country
that's not how it's working out. there is a young generation now that does not struggle in seeing the insanity of the Millinial and Boomer generations. It may be because they are not being completely programmed by the tv. The Boomers were the first generation to becompletely programmed through the tv...there is now a generation that is not programmed through the tv at all....and they see the absurdity of the Millinial and Boomer generations very easily. It's fascinating.
Conservatives are against abortion but okay with child labor and child marriage and the death penalty
Exactly! "Pro-Life", suuuure! They chose the " rights" of embryos over those of children and adults every time! 🌊💙🌊🇺🇸🗽
Of course,,,, right to life
Exactly.
They're also O.K. with children getting killed by guns, having children live in poverty .
And children giving birth to their rapist’s babies
No one is forcing the consumption of this drug . What about the sideeffects of not taking the drug ,or the sideeffect of being dominated by a religion you do NOT belong to.
There’s plenty of secular arguments one could make against abortion. It’s murder.
What about the side effects of unelected judges invading women's body autonomy and health care privacy.
Viagra has side effects😮
@@MsMichele50 Where are you getting your information from about the "jabberdoo", which I'm assuming is the Covid vaccines? Please provide, I'm really interested in reading the material. If you don't respond with the information, then I along with millions of others will know your spreading misinformation.
@@MsMichele50Apparently, you don't know much.
Mitch McConnell and Trump are the exact reasons we are even here with this nonsense.
The real reason
America's Motto: *FROM MANY ONE*
The Confederacy's Motto: *UNDER GOD* 👈
why are you busy commenting when should be busy chaging your thumbnail...it looks like you support the bloodbath in ukraine.
It won't be long before Lucifer😈 is calling both of them home.🔥
@@ShwiftJusticeYour either with God or against God , no in between .
Abortion is murder
@@ShwiftJustice You left out the Confederacy's entire motto: "Under God...unless you're a non-white, a female, or adhere to a belief that is not Christianity."
It's not a moral issue for conservatives, it's all about control.
All of their issues are about control. It's the only moral they have.
And what on earth would we do without the party that tells us what to think, how to feel, how to live...
@@stevebeegreat What murder? The woman's?
They're getting so triggered even Thinking (if they can indeed think) about losing control.
Abortion: Denies our core principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Abortion: Violates everyone’s fundamental human right to life.
Abortion: Denies individuals bodily autonomy.
Be on the right side of history and humanity and be an abolitionist!
Hawley's theory was if a person has a religious objection to something, everyone must be prevented from engaging in it. Does that apply to the 2nd Amendment too?
Under Jewish law, abortion is required if the mother's life is in danger. Muslims also don't have any objection to it. But of course "religious freedom" is one of those conservative marketing terms to disguise a policy of "i'm forcing you not to do anything i don't like."
Well, based on the argument that it " might" be misused, you would think all republicans would want a ban on all guns,,,same,same?😊
Touché!
The 2nd doesn't even protect the right to own a gun unless part of a well regulated militia. The founding fathers didn't believe in standing armies and so didn't think we would ever have one, and so passed it to allowed a competent fighting force to be armed should the nation come under threat.
It's outdated and does nothing.
I can go for that argument. Bring it up with the next gun regulation bill.
The courts need to stay out of our wombs!
you have a court in your womb...we need to bring back the freak shows, you would make o much money...a full court inside your womb, fascinating!
And the paid abortionist too , they are paid assassins
Apparently, so does everyone else.
And paid for hire assassins
No accountability epitomized.
Alito and Thomas don’t need a good legal argument to strip people of their rights.
Why haven’t they been impeached yet?!
@@karlaturner324They should be, but Senate Republicans would never convict them. Merrick Garland would rather destroy everyone in the country in the name of "the appearance of bipartisanship and fairness" than have them prosecuted for bribery as well.
@@karlaturner324Because conservatives are allowed to break all the laws they want with zero consequences. Its what conservatives mean when they say they are the "law and order" party. They mean that they intend to use the law to punish all the people they hate but that laws should never, ever apply to them or anyone who bribes them (billionaires) or who bullies their flock into voting for them (preachers).
And Leonard Leo.
Alito always has something weird to argue. Like he doesn't think innocence gives you a legal right not to be executed.
Stop punishing women for having ovaries
😂😂 let them use this pill it could be a trial and error like an experiment
Thinking viagra doesn't need to be lawfully available if birth control is withheld.
@@ThreatActor-1337ask your babysitter kid.
Sperm are more responsible for unwanted pregnancies than ovaries. Women are only fertile 3 days per month. Men are fertile EVERY DAY. Vasectomies save lives.
But men can have ovaries too! Ask a democrat🤡
Doctors who are against a woman’s right to make decisions about her own body shouldn’t be treating women.
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If you're pregnant, you have another body in you, so it's not your body. You just want to justify killing a baby. God will judge you if I was you I would repent now!
@@bigyoshi4696 If it is not born, it is not an infant. Basic English.
So why are you alive?. The people in support of abortion, murder are the ones who are alive. You sound just like a liberal democrat.
@@bigyoshi4696ignorant af nonsense.
The Supreme Court should never have agreed to hear this joke of a case. I listened to it and it was pathetic. Vote blue!
They should have allowed the Fifth Circuit's decision to stand? That decision upheld almost all of the district court's ruling that the FDA's approval of the abortion pill was illegal.
Well if they didn’t agree to hear it, then we wouldn’t have this medication any longer and would effectively mean the end of the FDA
Telling msnbc viewers to vote blue is like telling people at a Biden campaign to vote.
We need to actively campaign for Biden and senate
Your fake outrage is undeniable!
It’s the billionaire’s court until we remove pimped out Justices.
I'll take the ''health risks'' of Mifepristone over that of PREGNANCY and GIVING BIRTH anytime... thanks!
Or you could keep your legs closed.... hoor
Babies are side effects. Who new?
The illegal migrants pouring in are
side effects of 60 million
aborted babies replacing I think
what we threw out.
@@higgsboson1028 Especially since hospitals are now "profit centers" and really scrape the bottom of the barrel, healthcare professional-wise, to save a buck.
Choice is a beautiful thing.
why?
So someone shows up to the hospital with life threatening injuries. A doctor refuses to treat the patient because it's a gun shot wound and they have a moral objection to guns. How is that different to refusing to save a woman's life no matter how the injury happened?
Great analogy. I think I would like to use that.
Or a person shows up at the hospital with a life threatening drug overdose.
because “guns are a right” but women’s bodily autonomy isn’t. just terrible..
@@sona7444
Second amendment doesn't even protect the right to own a gun unless you are part of a well regulated militia. It's an outdated amendment because the founding fathers never though we would have a standing army, so allowed for those in militia's to keep and maintain weapons.
Anyone with any decent understanding of how our writing system works would know this.
they refuse to treat patients that don't have the covid shot. you'll get treated for the gun shot wound if you have the covid shot also if you have insurance.
Every woman of voting age MUST register and VOTE BLUE, Honor your mothers and grandmothers, and protect your children and grandchildren! 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
Or women will lose all rights , protections and freedoms ..because of a bunch of vile, misogynistic, right wing men who are desperate to control all those they deem minorities ….basically any non white, non Christian, non males.
absolutely not. voting blue is completely insane at this point. and killing your children in the womb insures you don't have grandchildren...your reasoning needs alot of work.
@@ThreatActor-1337or admit they're dimwitted doormats.
@@ThreatActor-1337Or we lose all of our rights. Have you paid zero attention to the threats the GOP has been making these past four decades?
I am deeply troubled by the idea that a doctor's personal beliefs are somehow relevant to medical treatment AND would override the patient's personal beliefs and choices.
So you're OK with
M U R D E R I N G innocent babies?
yeah, a persons beliefs define how that person acts....pretty fascinating, and welcome to earth, there are many other fascinating things to learn about humans. earth also has animals and plants that have their own way of acting. where are you from and what are you called?
@@vade137Did that make sense in your head?
@vade137 it is quite sad that personal attack is the only arrow in your quiver.
@@alisonwilson9749 ah, another new comer to earth. welcome. where are you from?
"There could be a Doctor who might have to make a decision that 'might' make him/her uncomfortable someday...therefore we must ban this medication" Really? That's it? Feelings?
More like Six Degrees of Maybe i have to do my job.
Law upholding this or that based on superstitions. On beliefs in imaginary beings. Ugh.
F E E L I N G S, whoa whoa whoa FEELINGS 🎶🎵🎶🎵
All the right wing has are feelings and they're always about losing their control on people 'cause they have nothing else and would rather subjugate the entire planet than look inward.
If this is taken away, then Viagra should be taken away!!
Right. Mifepristone has a lot more evidence for its safety than Viagra.
But it is about punishing and controlling women. Men still get to act like their bodies are amusement parks! While women are forced to live out The Handmaid's Tale.
Excellent point!
Keep YOUR religion out of my private appointments!! Mind your business! Don't want one, don't have one. Simple.
How did that work over covid? Let me guess EVERYONE needs to follow what I want to do 😷💉😷💉😷
@@danialhillmann5374this is why y'all are STILL dropping at 3x the normal rate
@@danialhillmann5374 Nobody's pregnancy infects the rest of the population and kills people. Public health and pandemic prevention are real things that matter. Grow up.
@@ShwiftJustice yeah look at the uptick in cancer rates, not to mention heart related problems
@@RealityMatters343😂 what pandemic, grow up learn how to take better care of your own health
Stop eating fast food, sitting on a couch, drink sugar, then crying about getting sick
To all doctors and politicians: Leave your beliefs back home when you go to work. No-one cares about your "christian" conscience.
One doesn't ha e to be a Christian to believe
K I L L I N G a baby is wrong
Cry harder 🤡
or any religion for that matter. Can't function in your job, get another job.
you leave your beliefs in your home...keep them private and don't share them with anyone.
I agree, as a Christian myself.
I hate how some people are trying to force their own personal religious beliefs on others. And this case brought to the SCTOUS is an example of that, it should have never happened.
For those wondering, challenger attorney Erin Hawley is Josh Hawley's wife. Nuts from the same tree.
Are they cousins too?
I'm guessing she wears the pants in the marriage though.
So, it was her, he was running from during the *insurrection* ... 🙄
Siblings, most likely.@@emilyfeagin2673
Thanks for the info
Why would the court even hear this case. I cannot believe this is 2024 in the US
Because Trump's nutjobs are appealing everything... just like he is.
Because they think testosterone is a big deal. Wait until November to see who wins. Testosterone vs Progesterone
These right wing nuts are trying to take us back to the 1800’s. 1861 to be specific.
The case was filed in Abilene, TX, where there was only one judge who would possibly hear the case. The judge has an extreme Christian nationalist agenda (which he partly lied about to Congress in his hearing), and applied his ruling (which was filled with junk science and lies) over the entire US. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld his ruling, so the Supreme Court had to hear it to decide if it's too extreme for even the Republican justices.
Because if they don’t hear the case the lower court’s ruling will stand and the drug could be banned.
Any doctor that cannot follow their hippocratuc oath should not be a doctor. Your job is to provide healthcare for people, not to decide of people deserve it or that it’s against your ethics.
Well, the issue here is that docs WANT to do right by their patients but the government is saying they can’t.
@@archervine8064 the case was brought by 7 doctors that had no injury or grounds to bring forward the case. So doctors are indeed a part of that problem.
@@parker2066 eh, one of the ‘doctors’ was a dentist and none of the others were OB/Gyns IIRC.
@@archervine8064 if you have a doctorate you are a doctor. Calling a dentist not a doctor is disrespectful. The doctors are literally part of an organization doing this. So how about instead of arguing with me about the semantics of who you think is a doctor you direct that energy toward the people trying to take away peoples rights.
@@parker2066 we’re on the same side, and I am devoting less energy to this than you appear to be. A dentist is not an MD or DO, and would never be in any way involved with abortion care. I am also pointing out that the only MDs they could even find to put forward aren’t really qualified in women’s health. How embarrassing for them.
The standing issue really highlights how egregiously ridiculous this case is, to even make it anywhere near this far.
Some Dr's FEELINGS might get hurt!
They might have to take care of patients whose activity they are morally against!
So how about denying treatment for STDs?
For a drunk driver?
For somebody having an overdose?
By this standard, every patient coming into an ER, would have to be screened for the REASONS they are asking for treatment. Talk about death panels!
Republican abortion laws already created death panels. Lawyers have to tell doctors how dying a pregnant person has to be before they're allowed to save their lives with something that a zealot might think is an abortion.
As a veteran who was a medic, I'd like to point out that it is *very* regular for medical staff to treat the wounded from the other side. And we are *literally at war with them* but we treat them anyway. This is one way you know that those "patriots" on the Court never served America and only ever served themselves (and the billionaires who bribe them, but that is just more self-dealing because they're getting paid in the millions for subverting justice on the behalf of those billionaires).
When a man can birth a baby out his body, then he can have say as to life in the womb.
The 1st Amendment says otherwise, fascist
And according to your own lawless, depraved party, men CAN have babies 🤡
@@colowyowatchman4420 Really? How do freedom of speech and assembly fit in here? And the country was founded on SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE-- so freedom of religion doesn't mean you have the right to make everyone follow your religious beliefs. How would you feel if I made YOU follow MY religious beliefs?
Just because the arguements went poorly for the challengers I am not comforted that SCOTUS will not stick to their decades long agenda.
Supress women's rights
Keep your hands off of our right to make decisions about our own lives. Ridiculous 🤯
Keep your hands off the innocent unborn children first
what are you talking about, you sound silly.
@@vade137 The statement was perfectly clear. Perhaps your understanding is what "sound[s] silly".
Keeping your legs closed is a decision. You simply lack the control.
Imagine trying to ban a drug that’s been used for 20 years and by thousands of doctors. I wouldn’t even listen to them open their mouths.
Leeches have been used by thousands of doctors for hundreds of years. Should we keep that practice too? Leftist logic is so hilarious 😆
JoebidewasdeemrdmentallyunfitbyhisownDOJ, You sheep 🐑 only like the Supreme Court when you get your way!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
The left tried to ban Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, so dont say its not been tried before.
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Reports from FBI on Kavanaugh to WH. Team Players, "from Alaska to Australia, from Buckingham Palace to the Vatican."
*Stop oppressing women when this issue is up to them only, their family, and their doctor. Women have the right to choose, make personal decisions about their bodies without government interference. Vote to keep the right to choose legal and accessible, and tell the oppressors to go that a woman's right to choose is important.
***BIDEN 2024***
“ might have to do something you don’t want to do”
If you get paid to do it, that’s what we used to call WORK🙄
Indeed. If they don't want to treat patients, perhaps they shouldn't be doctors. I think it's shameful that a doctor in the US can refuse to participate in an abortion. I didn't know that were the case. A midwife tried to get that crap into Swedish medical practices, but she failed in court after court. She sued for wrongful termination after having refused to participate in an abortion and was fired for not performing her duties. I'm so happy that it's not legal for medical personnel in Sweden to refuse care.
If arguments went poorly for the proponents of taking away access to the pill, that will make the Court’s decision to remove access all the more ideologically driven. If Neal is right, it could be a win for women’s reproductive rights. I won’t hold my breath.
Abortion: Denies our core principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Abortion: Violates everyone’s fundamental human right to life.
Abortion: Denies individuals bodily autonomy.
Be on the right side of history and humanity and be an abolitionist!
Now all the BIueAnons need to do is define what a 'woman' is
@@bartjargengarblbargeler1980 No, that's your freak flag to fly not ours.
So I guess the Supreme Court doing the bare minimum is a win these days.
@@RealityMatters343 what’s a woman?
Alito is a singular monster.
The entire SCOTUS concept is THE monster 👹
thomas is a monster too
They used to call him Scalito because he's like a Scalia Junior.
you are a singular monster.
@@vade137 Are you just going down the entire message thread and trolling every single comment with meaningless remarks?
Women fighting against this pill must really despise other women.
They never should have heard the case to begin with. Who let it in the door?
Civilized people let it in the door.
Leonard Leo
The Banana Republicans in the SCOTUS did.
@@vade137 No, the SC let it in the door even though it was abundantly clear that the plaintiffs have no standing because they have no demonstrable injury.
If ovaries belong to the State, why aren't testicles also? Is there such a vas deferens between the two or is something else at play here?
😂😂
That’s funny! 😂
I can’t believe you had the balls to present that argument. If I were you, would definitely not put all my eggs into that basket.
@@neosapienz7885 OMG! Who’s gonna top this comment!🤣🤣
😂
No matter how clear the argument, we all know Alito and Thomas will vote for a ban.
For sure.
Non-Legal summary: "I know I have the right not to prescribe these, but can you take away more of women's rights to buy them anyway?" Because my religion.
The wife of Josh Hawley presented such a weak argument in this case, so much it was amusing. Her presentation was so flimsy. Full of hypothetical situations. Not fact or science based. I was happy to hear the pushback from all justices except for Alito and Thomas. They, of course have no clue anyway.
Maybe she will run away as fast as Josh ran on Jan 6.
@@DSilverwood senator hawlass r-mo
So absolutely NO standing to even bring this before the Court. Let's see which judge or judges say otherwise in their ruling.
Why did they even hear this case? This court is dodging hard decisions, ignoring corrupt judges in their midst and entertaining frivolous arguments. Absolutely no credibility.
The Bronze Age, Comstock Act, etc shouldn't have any influence on our modern world.
From the SE Portico of the Thomas Jefferson Memorial:
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
According to the Comstock Act,it would be illegal for anyone's insurance company to send a woman her birth control through the mail,fedx,or ups. Most insurance providers want you to use their mail in service.
I agree that was the days of mail delivered by horse to the nearest town.that you had to ride to for hours or days..and no pioneer women were waiting for magic pills to take care of not having another child to go with the 10 they already have..1880's law has no place in modern 21st century cases..local or federal
Yet our modern world still actually publishes horoscopes in the newspapers ffs. Beliefs in imaginary things runs rampant in our pathetic little primate species.
And give Alabama a week or two and they'll reinstitute Jim Crow too.
Which drug is next? If they ban this one, what's to stop them from banning others? Conscience? Will that extend to doctors using that unethical reason for not treating black people, women, immigrants, children?
You better believe they’re coming after contraception next.
Bans don't work for guns but do for medicine?
Everyday America moves further and further into the past. It’s very concerning
let me guess, you went to public school. sorry that happened to you.
@@vade137Judging by your posts, you didn't go anywhere that taught English very well.
@@vade137 I'm sure he didn't go to a marxist university.
@@vade137"let me guess, you went to public school. sorry that happened to you."
You are *very* sorry that we were taught by competent teachers with masters degrees where you got babysat at a private school.
We're actually moving into the future but the Court is trying to chain us in the past.
the correct verdict will not absolve scotus. had they simply done their jobs we would not be here waiting for them to finish thinking through the brass tacks of how legal precedent works or whether potus should be effectively a king. they must fight or be brushed aside- American voters and institutions are slowly running out of options to preserve this democracy.
If pro life people would spend this much money and time yo raise funds to feed children already on this earth and donate to orphanages, and weed out corruption in foster care the way they do trying to take away womens rights to their own body, more living children would be living happier safe lives on this planet.
Instead... *hypocrisy* .
Preach!!!😊
It seems antithetical to be pro life but dismiss school shootings as a mental health issue.
Exactly
Or they could support that child tax credit thing, that cut child poverty in half here in the U.S.
they don't want to just step away from doing, these people want to force their ideals on others. ugh.
ideals? more like cult rules
more correctly stated, thank you@@beckysnead8914
these people are tired of having degeneracy forced on them...society has become disgusting and dangerous since the 1960's. are you angry because people are tired of the filth?
They don't have to make a good argument when they know the court is already on their side.
How true.
The laws should be changed as to allowing organizations to pick and choose where they can file a lawsuit such as this, they picked a district where they knew the judge was a fierce opponent of women's healthcare and from the outset would ban Mifepristone across America. Let's hope they lose in the Supreme Court.
You guys don't want to call it what it is (abortion) so you create a lie and call it "women's healthcare".
Make men accountable!!
Nothing to do with "men", everything to do with people in power abusing said power. If you blame all men, you're part of the problem.
If men had a say, we would hold you accountable. Who, after all, could have dreamed that you could make a pill that kills millions of Americans, and women would willingly take it.
WOMEN VOTE 💙
Ah abortion...the GOP's favorite losing battle. The nerve of some women thinking their body is their business.
I bet they side with women this time, to try to restore some womens faith in the system and republican party. This is still political and not legal....that is the sad thing.
They turned "pro-life" into a religion, and this is the result.
No, actual governing is The GOP's favorite losing battle. Abortion is their favorite losing campaign issue... 🙄
Exactly, well stated.
2 bodies involved.
I thought the SCOTUS was not supposed to take theoretical cases, but only one that HAVE given harm already.
SCROTUS 😠😡🤢🤢 Get OUT and VOTE 🩵 💙 straight ticket 🌊 🩵 💙 🩵 💙 🗽 🇺🇸 💪
Lol, they already took that fake wedding website case. You expect anything better from the likes of Alito and Thomas?
They figure that if Trump can get away with breaking the law, why can't they.
That was then. This is now.
It’s called grasping at straws for political grand standing
The Women's March have sacrificed several of their members and were arrested this morning. We're not going to allow a bunch of judges determine our healthcare. Women come together, PLEASE, this November and cast your vote ALL BLUE!!
Could have rejected this challenge and heard the Trump case instead.
That would mean less delay, and we all know those folks are pro-delay
Leave it to Thomas to bring up the Comstock Law...pathetic.
Religion, the Milky Way’s longest running con.
Word
Truth
The McRib might come back....
Lolol I like how you're likely a liberal and support the rights of Palestine and all these "oppressed people" yet in one sentence you just insulted 70% of the world lol
The "party of understanding and compassion" lololol
and trump just said he himself is jesus........@@ThreatActor-1337
Childbirth kills people sometimes. Maybe the far right should ban that?
As Roy Cohn said, "Don't tell me what the law says. Tell me who the judge is."
Well, he certainly came to a sad end, regardless....
The problem with challenging this drug regardless of position on abortion is that this drug is also used in miscarriage care. It can not and should not be challenged. It’s been around for over 30 years and has proven it’s safe. This decision should not be left to the courts, it should be left to the fDA and the medical community and Drug manufacturers
Just a reminder that this drug is extremely safe and the misoprostol they're also attacking is used not just in abortion but in all sorts of healthcare situations where there is a need to stimulate action in the uterus.
These oral arguments just lay to waste the actions of the lower federal court, and the activist judge assigned to the original case. He should be disbarred.
Why would they even hear this case? Ridiculous!
All Supreme court cases should be televised. Theses decisions effect all of the people of the US. We have the right to know what is going on.
It's not televised (which, I agree, it should be), however, one can listen to the arguments live. I listened to the arguments today.
Time to put term limits & stringent ethics guide lines in place in order to remove these justices!
Oral going poorly is how we got in this mess to begin with
😂😂😂
U won the mic drop comment
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This is THE definitive comedy comment on this event! Well done.
Facials vs 18 years of child support.
There is no real possibility of having an intelligent discussion with a person who claims that "life begins at conception"! That extreme position indicates that such people have no ability to present an argument.
And even if that were the case, why should "life" trump every other right of any other person? If that were the case, the state would be able to force people to get vaccinated, to donate organs, to run into burning buildings, to do all sorts of stuff. Guns would be illegal and capital punishment, too. If the preservation of life is the most important value, anything that works against it should be banned. Alcohol, driving cars, eating fatty and salty foods, people should be forced to exercise. I don't want to live in such a society where the state sees and hears everything, and controls everything. It's sad that conservatives do.
If life begins at conception, then the sperm and egg are also already "life", and life begins long before conception.
@@notyourroad. Hi, thanks for replying. I recall learning that in the dark days of Catholic oppression, sperm was considered as a source of "tiny people", not yet formed, waiting to mature in the confines of a woman's womb. This may have something to do with this myth of pre-birth life.
@@CazBarry wow, I had not heard that before.
Not sure how they pick what case they review next or in what order but is it not relatively important to address Immunity for Donald and the fact that no one is above the law and no Donald you do not have Immunity.
They should have turned down the immunity case, thereby allowing the D.C. Circuit's strong decision against Trump to stand. That would have sent a message that Trump's position is utterly outrageous, and the trial would not have been delayed.
I have to wonder how much of the reason this law suit was brought has to do with these doctors losing patients because of their refusal to provide this medication. If they can just make it so their competition can't prescribe it either, then their patients wouldn't have a better option available to them.
I find the argument about judges not being medical researchers interesting. Here in the UK, judges would ask 3 simple questions (1) has the FDA failed to take into account factors which it should have when reaching its decision (2) has the FDA taking into account factors in reaching its decision which the legislature has said it should not take into account and then finally (3) did the FDA reach a decision which was so unreasonable that no competent FDA could have reached.
Of course in this case the medical research goes back decades and is very clear, mifepristone is safe, far safer than continuing the pregnancy. If SCOTUS followed the UK approach the case would be much simpler as only the first question would be in issue
This sounds like the webdesigner case all over again. What's up with all these contrived hypotheticals?
And then Justice Alito brought up precedent from the Malleus Maleficarum.
King James VI version.
The fact that Scotus is debating women’s healthcare is disgusting. Do they actually follow the Koran?
How is ending the life of a baybee "women's healthcare"?? Geez literally everything dems spew are lies and propaganda
I really hope that someone told the anti-abortion protesters swearing that this drug kills people to first provide evidence and second to ask them why they're just now protesting about it when it's been around for decades.
B/c it took until now for Mitch to give them a 6-3 split in the Court ... and even that may not be enough. They'll try anything and, upon losing, fine-tune it for another crack at that majority. They'll be back. Losing on lack of standing guarantees it.
@@gemanscombe4985 Oh, I know it. They'll come for Comstock next. Every time there's a case like this in front of SCOTUS with a weak argument, Thomas and Alito basically telegraph to them how they might strengthen their argument for next time.
I loved the question from one of the justices about the Drs signed on to the suit. It was something along theblines of I see dentists, retired doctoes, different specialists...how many of these are ob/gyns who might be called to work at a hospital ER?
And why should they have overturned Dobbs when it doesn't affect anyone but the person having the abortion?
Was Harlan Crowe visible in Oreo Thomas's pocket.??? Lol
How sweet, you all think the supreme court will listen to reason and follow the law, when in reality five of them will just do what their bible tells them.
Following your "logic", should we legalize M U R D E R, theft, and lying under oath? Those are all covered in the 10 Commandments
We have five Moses Johnsons on the highest court. I look for contraception to be next.
The idea that you get special rights and privileges simply bc you believe Bronze Age nonsense is just ridiculous.
Not only that, but everybody else has to live that way too.
Hey @NBCNews I will NOT be using or downloading your app until Ronna McTraitor is removed totally from your network!
Evangelicals making your business , their business , ...
The quality of the arguments doesn't matter if they've already made up their minds based on personal ideology instead of the law. Which they almost certainly have.
Mur Der is against the law 🤡
@@colowyowatchman4420 -- You *ASSume* a lot, Pilgrim.
@@colowyowatchman4420 Who have argued otherwise? This case has nothing to do with murder. Abortion is per definition not murder.
These ER doctors wouldn’t even be the ones performing the procedure, that would happen in the OR by an OB/Gyn
So the arguments came from Josh Hawly's Wife!! 🙄 Explains alot!
Mrs. haualass
Over 45 years ago my pharmacology professor in nursing school advised us that any medication that has the potential for a positive effect might also have the potential for a negative effect. That's called a side effect, and it's up to the doctor AND the patient to determine the balance of risk vs benefit. This argument by doctors is totally disingenuous if they have ever prescribed ANY medication for any reason.
What about the hippocratic oath? These doctor's arguing not to provide care should have their certifications revoked.
Alito doesn't need 'speculative harm' to decide. You know his decision before the case was even presented.
I think Scotus should go after antibiotics next. The return of America to 1824 will be complete.
Better yet, Viagra!
Outlaw tourniquets!
If humans can't stop leaking naturally then it's agin the Bible!
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Arguments, the constitution & laws don't matter anymore, we are subject to what the rich & powerful want the country to be!
Just wanted to say thank you to all of those brave Americans who are taking the time to stand out in the streets outside the Supreme Court to fight for women’s rights!!!! Thank you!!!!
💙💙2024💙💙
Fun note: Erin Hawley is Mrs. Sen. Josh "Run from Insurrectionists" Hawley.
less a pro life movement more a pro slavery movement.
For fifty years American conservatives asserted that overturning Roe v. Wade would take the abortion issue away from the courts, thereby allowing the American people to decide. It appears they were slightly mistaken.
At least naive or overly optimistic...
@@jahnacarlson3528 I would add that many of these same conservatives are now going to court in state after state seeking to keep off abortion referendums off of ballots.
Why do American leftists still believe conservative deception? Appear more moderate than you actually are to get critics of progressives to vote for you. Conservatives in the US aren't interested in actually governing a democracy or serving the Constitution. Dominionism is all they want. Get it through your thick skulls.
Another example of people trying to rule instead of governing
I trust Mr. Katyal's opinion. His law partner argued the case today and Mr. Katyal feels the outcome will be positive for we, the majority of the people!
It might rain, snow, windy, sunny, hail, tornado, hurricane, flood, etc. A weather man may not want to report on all issues…
Arguments before the court don't mean much to this court, they'll make up their own to rationalize whatever their ideology dictates
Standing hasn't stopped the Supreme Court in the past.
I’m sure this court will stay on the lookout for cases with more “legal standing” to erode abortion rights even if they rule against the plaintiffs this time. They can view this case as one of the first drafts toward honing their anti-abortion stance.
All along their arguments were ... to control women.
Sounds like the real purpose of this case was to figure out where each justice stood, not to win, not yet. There will now be a more tailored follow-up case -- maybe even a series of them -- designed to peel off the justices one by one. Sadly.
I doubt that it matters what they argued. The Supremes don't have a recent history of being attentive to rights.