How To Dial In GT-1000 Tones On a Tube Amplifier w/ 4 Cable Method. GT1000 & Mesa Dual Rectifier 4CM
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- The Boss GT1000 is incredibly powerful. AIRD tech is great, but what if you prefer to use your favourite valve amplifier and don't wish to use the emulated amps and speaker cabinets? The Four Cable Method is the answer. This video will explain 4CM in detail, and show you how to dial in tones with a GT1000 on your favourite tube amp!
Gear Used:
- Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel Multi Watt)
- Mesa Rectifier 2x12 Cabinet
- Marshall Powerbrake
- GT 1000
- PRS Tremonti
- Shure SM57
- ISK BM700
- Rode NT2A
- Roland Octa-Capture
This is by far the greatest instructional GT 1000 video, thank you, I really appreciate this!
Wow, thank you!
@@rnodern I'm hoping if I can ask you a question, after a patch is saved is it in the USER area or will it also be in PRESET area?
@@clifforddang5947hey mate, no it isn’t available in both areas. I tend to always save my patches in the user banks, that way I don’t have to cycle through to the preset banks to land on the patch I’m looking for.
@@rnodern Thank you so much!
Best 4 CM explanation I ever seen, thanks for all that !!
this 1000%!!!!
This is the best video on using the GT1000 I have seen!Well done - I found it in order to explore the 4CM method, but I learnt so much more!!! Keep up the good work!
Hey mate thanks for the comment! Glad it helped! :)
Thank you for posting this. You have a talent for demonstration sir. Good pace, and enough talk to be interesting and informative, but not blathering on and on after the point is already made.
Great tutorial at a pace that is easy to follow.
Nice video!
Gt-1000 just rules!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
AJ we need more videos like this
This is the best tutorial I have seen for gt1000 thanks for posting
Excellent tutorial
Glad you liked it
Man, you should work in some Radio Station !!!
I just bought a GT-1000, awaiting it’s arrival. Sadly my electric(335) is in the shop, should be read this week(🤞). Thank you, really appreciate the demo, well done, mate.
Thanks mate. Let me know if you have any questions.
@@rnodern Hello from the States, NE Oklahoma! I am currently researching interfaces for my GT-1000 to my PC as I know zero about this. I have a sweet amp, Tech 21 Trademark 60w 212 which I will use the 4CM for. So, I also want to go directly into my PC with an interface for my GT-1000. The focusrite scarlet 4i4 seems to be a good starting spot(for what little I know). Have you thought about doing an educational video for an interface or perhaps know of one you can suggest? Thank you 🤟.
@@sirmount9156 will you be using a mic, or line out into the interface? Reason I ask, is that when you have it setup in 4CM, your patches are setup with that in mind. In that, you disable the AIRD emulated preamps and use your own valve preamp. This could be a good or a bad thing depending on what you want. If running 4CM through your amp and simultaneously into an interface with just a cable, you’ll need to pass it through a speaker emulator plugin in your DAW.
As far as interfaces go, what you’ve mentioned is great. I use a Roland a Octacapture at home. It’s a decent interface with great preamps. The “Auto Sens”feature is its best selling point. Otherwise, just look for how many Ins / Outs you want, what connections etc.
@@rnodern hello. Got my electric guitar back from the shop and the GT-1000 sounds great w/the 4CM to my amp. When I use my head phones w/GT-000, sounds great and I was hoping to get the same sound/tone from playing through my PC with some good speakers that crank.. Sounds like that Roland Octacapture is an amp source I need. I will check that out. I do not know what DAW is? I have heard the term.
Thank you for the insight, much appreciated.
Just watched a video on DAW, interesting.
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you for making this video, most videos are using direct sound, but I bought my Core for use with 4CM and my Mark V:35.
Tried the HX Stomp in 4CM, but the tone suck was too great, not to mention losing one of 6 precious blocks to the FX loop in the patch.
Fingers crossed the Core makes me happy, I would love to simplify my pedal board.
Thanks for the comment! Glad you found it useful. I can’t say that there isn’t a little tone sucking, after all there’s multiple stages turning analog signals into digital. The cleans sound awesome, But for where it counts, the overdrive tone, I’m relying mostly on the Rectifier to deliver that, with an overdrive in front of the preamp to push it harder. Very happy with the results and a dramatic simplification to my pedalboard :D
@@rnodern the Core arrived yesterday and I'm 50/50 on it so far. Last night I tried just headphones and it sounded pretty good. Today I tried it straight into the power section of the Mesa and the results were underwhelming. But that was just with presets. Tomorrow I'll build a replica of my current board and see how it does in 4CM. It sounds like you use a similar set up as I'm aiming for, I'll only have a boost and expression pedal doing wah work in front of the amp, maybe I'll throw in a tube screamer just to see what's what. The rest will be in the loop.
A wise man once told me when it comes to guitar gear there are no solutions, only compromises.
@@SuicideVan good luck. Personally, with a Mark V, I’d use the preamp on the amplifier over preamps in the gt1000. Create patches that match your pedal board and program the amplifier channel changes on each patch. It looks like the footswitch jack is on the front of the Mark V, but not sure if it’s a TRS or standard mono plug.
@@rnodern unfortunately I can't get this unit to work properly. Maybe there's something different about the Core, but hooking up in 4CM and engaging the fx loop block results in a high pitch squeel. I can move around the output and get rid of it, but then I'm just splitting the input signal into the front (sub out) and into the return (output). This isn't much use to me and can't find any advice anywhere to make sense of this signal chain I see in the interface.
Edit: ok this is incredibly bizarre. Before packing it up to return I did a factory reset back to the OG firmware, then decided to give it one last try. It seems to work exactly as described and I noticed that during my first attempt (with latest firmware) the loop had an L...J look to the fx loop box, now it's a solid bottom line instead of dotted. Also the signal split/mixing to the amp return and input is now proper and no longer sending everything to the fx loop. Ghost in the machine perhaps. Or given this was a demo unit from Sweetwater, maybe a previous owner did something screwy with it.
Thanks again for such an awesoms video I'll definitely be subscribing and tuning in for more GT 1000 videos.
@@SuicideVan I had some really weird screechy sounds and a weird delay in my dual rectifier FX loop at volumes. Turns out the signal was way too hot for the fx loop. Spend some time looking into the levels on the gt1000. Setup your patches at high volume on the amp too, so you can address it there rather than when you’re jamming or playing live. Also make sure the global output mode matches the setup. I.e. not headphones, line, etc. you’ll want stack return or combo depending on your mark v
Great video😊
Great video thanks just got my gt1000 core and this video helped so much
This is awesome! Thank you!
Thanks mate!
Saved, appreciate it, thanks
Nice Jollibee!
Lol. Salamat po!
I really really really want this!!!
Wow! Learned a lot.
Hi. Did you set your main output select to record? And did you set have IR on or off(for cabinet)
If I wanted to just use the Boss as a post preamp fx processor (in the loop) and not utilise the 4cm, would I just connect my amps loop send and return into one of the send and returns on the boss ?
Yep, you could do that. Just use the main input and output on GT1000 and connect into your amp’s fx loop. Disable all preamp & emulation in your patches. The GT1000 has 2 more fx loops, so you can add more pedals to those loops if you wanted. You won’t be able to use any overdrive or pre preamp effects in the GT1000 however, you’ll need to run your guitar through any pedals you want before the preamp, then into the front of the amp.
hi AJ, I tried 4cm on my Dual Recto with gt 1000 but the problem is when I put the effects (delay) after the send/return1 I can't hear the delay. However if I put it before the send/return it works. I can't figure out the problem. Any thoughts? thanks
Thanks for the question. Hmmm that’s really interesting. First thing I’d check is the 4CM cabling, making sure it’s actually going through your effects loop. Next I’d check the back of the amp to make sure the fx loop is on (not bypassed) and volume is turned up. My dual recto has a fx loop volume on the back. Next check the two master volume knobs over on the left side near the power switch (not the master volumes on each respective channel). Perhaps the delay is sitting in one of those switching loops that isn’t engaged? - in tone studio the part of the signal chain that splits off into two separate paths. Lastly maybe a wet/dry setting on the delay but I’d expect that would also be apparent either side of the send return block. Good luck man! Let me know how you go
@@rnodern thanks bro, it's working now after I switch the fx loop to on.
Can we reamp dry di tracks recorded previously through this setup to use different speakers and mics to capture the sound coming for the amp?
so good
I havent had luck with the mesa ms effects loop. Even with the mix set to 100%
Is it possible to record direct with the real amp preamp using the Boss as IR loader?
Hey mate, should be able to. 4CM as usual but instead of sending back to the amplifier effect loop return, send it to your interface. Then in the speaker blocks at the end select the IR you want. For custom IRs check this vid out czcams.com/video/lmYD_DRgy-g/video.htmlsi=oGQEg4MvbkDmQEGR
Awesome video! Here is a very noob question (got my GT today). My setup is also the 4CM. Let say I am using wah (using exp1), chorus and delay. If I want the wah to get in my EVH 5150 50W preamp input and the chorus/delay in the effects loop, how does the patch would look like? I am a little bit confuse on that one. I am able to set a patch and send the chorus/delay to the effects loop, no issues there. The confusion comes from the wah I want to go to the EHV preamp. Thank you in advance.
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. Take a look at 10:05 where I put the delay in the effects loop of my amp. Provided you’re using the GT1000 fx loop 1 in your 4CM setup, anything to the left of the green send return block 1 in the signal chain will be before your amp preamp, and anything to the right will be sent to your amp effects loop. Just make sure that green block with the 1 and the up/down arrows is activated :)
Also, look at 18:45 onwards, where I move the tremolo before the amp preamp, and into the amp effects loop by moving the FX1 block before the send and return block, and then after the send return block. So, make sure your wah is to the LEFT of send return block.
@@rnodern Thank you so much for taking time to answer my question! This solved my issue and now I can set my own patches the way I want it!
USB connection to computer creates a ground loop that i cannot break with the GTs onboard settings. No screen editor for me i guess :/
The phone and tablet versions will work.
why wouldnt you run the output to the front input of the amp and the send and return to the send and return on the amp?
Thanks for the comment. Video explains this when the diagram is on screen. 4CM can seem counter-intuitive. The main output of the GT1000 is at the end of the signal chain of the GT1000. Send and return of the GT1000 is mid signal chain. If you cabled it as you have described, you’d be putting the amp’s send and return back into the main input before the preamp. I’ve never wired it up like this but I would expect you’d be creating a feedback loop.
@@rnodern ok thanks. i thought maybe you could use the send and return separate from the chain but i guess thats not possible.
@@jhue73 there are 2 send/returns on the Gt1000. What were you trying to achieve?
@@rnodern the same thing you did but i thought it could be done a different way. i dont own the gt-1000 yet but im going to buy it just trying to learn more about it.
Do you also have some video explaining connection the GT-1000 in front of the valve amp ?
This video is fantastic, as I'm on the fence between the stomp or core- heavily leaning to the core. I have a question and maybe I'm just being stubborn, but it's about going directly into the front of my fender twin tone master amp. This amp is fantastic- as a digital Sim of the original twin - but it doesn't have an FX send and return that I know of. That said- is buying a core worth my $ and time- if I'm running direct into an amp that doesn't support 4 cable?
Hey mate, thanks for the question. If there isn’t an effects loop you won’t be able to do 4CM with any setup. Even a collection of stomp boxes. So, with that in mind, the GTK core or full model will be the same as putting a bunch of pedals in front of your amp. IMHO it’s worth it simply because the unit has a plethora of pedals and options all inside one pedal. I’d probably still disengage the AIRD preamps when setting up your patches, and design the patches as if you were setting up a pedalboard that goes in front of your amp. Hope this helps!
@@rnodern I had the very same question as I am using a Fender Twin Reverb with no Send/Return. Thank you!!!!
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hi AJ, the 2nd patch you made, is that for lead / solo? I 'd like to get tone of Kirk Hammet which is also a lot of tapping on his solo.
Hey mate, it wasn’t - I just made it for demonstration :)
For a Kirk lead tone start with the amplifier. Go for the modern voicing on your rectifier, channel 2, or if you have a 3 channel recto, then channel 3. Bass just above half way, mids below half maybe 9:30, 10 o’clock..and treble above half. Presence can add fizz so use sparingly. Then on the GT1000 throw a crybaby wah up the very front, followed by a tube screamer. Chug away and keep increasing the gain on the tube screamer until you’re happy with it. Won’t really need much to push the preamp on the recto and result in a nice tight gain sound. A compressor helps if you’re tapping to keep your notes more consistent. He’d also probably be using reverb in the fx loop. This isn’t a recipe, just how I’d approach getting close to his sound
@rnodern will try that mate. How about the drive knob? Should it be after 12:00 or before? I heard this amp can be hard to get a lead tone. We'll see. THANKS much bro!
Can an instrument cable switch the amp channels?
Rodrigo Muñoz hi there. Thanks for the question. yes if you have a 2 channel amp that uses a single mono cable footswitch. In the software, you’ll just need to flick the both amp selectors to identify which GT1000 channel activates the channel change on your amp.
@@rnodern Thanks for your help. I have an EVH 5150 LBXII head and I think with a mono cable it could work just fine
With this 4cm where should you have the GT1000 output knob at? Should it be at 100% and dial the amp to suite?
The main output is going to your power amp. I believe mine is set to 100%.
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Hi, very cool review! Did you notice any serious hum problem while using the gt 1000 in live shows using 4CM config?
Hey there.
Thanks for the comment. I can’t say that I’ve ever experienced serious hum when playing at rehearsal or stage volumes.
My first step if I was experiencing that would be to check all cables, and eliminate them one by one.
Is the hum constant or only on certain patches. Could it be that there is an effect engaged that shouldn’t be? Maybe an AIRD preamp/cab emulation turned on in the signal chain that’s causing excessive noise?
Also check the levels of both your amp fx loop and in the gt1000. If your amp is expecting instrument levels in the fx loop, but is being sent line levels, that could also cause plenty of noise.
@@rnodern hi! Thanks for the reply! I don’t have the pedalboard yet, but I had helix and fractal pedalboards and I’ve managed the problem in different ways. I’m looking forward to buy one of these Boss so I’m watching tuts and reviews, asking opinion on certain aspects. Thanks a lot! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
When using a wireless, where is the receiver placed in the chain?
I use a Shure GLXD16 on my board. Not sure if they make this product anymore. I just place it anywhere on the board and run it directly into the input of the GT1000.
Great 4cm video !
is there any way to control my Blackstar 40 club MKII amp with 5-way switch?
GT-1000 only have AMP CTL 1 and AMP CTL 2 any advise?
Hey mate thanks for the comment. Looks like there are 2 separate channel select ports in the back of the Club 40 MKII. The 5 way footswitch and the 3 way foot switch. I would first try a TRS cable from GTK to the 3 way switch. It’s likely that the stock 5 button footswitch is doing something funky that can’t be emulated by the GTK natively.
Thank you for the explanations! I've got a question: what if my amp has got only 2 channels? what kind of cable should I use?
That will depend on what your footswitch cable looks like for your amp. Is it a TRS cable or a Mono cable? Keep in mind that some amps need to be controlled by MIDI
@@rnodern It’s a mono cable (Orange TH30) I tried with it but it doesn’t seem to work so I’ll try with a trs cable ..
Hi. Can you make a demo of using GT 1000 and the Mesa as a stereo rig with 4 Cabel Metod?
GT-1000 use IR Cab in the unit and Mesa ovn cab?? Drivepedal in front of Mesa and GT-1000 amp with delay, reverb and so on with both amps? 🙂
Hello! Cool tutorial, but there are still questions. With this 4 cable method, which output setting in GT-1000 Main Output should be selected?
And if I have a 1x10 combo?
Hey mate. Thanks for the question. The “Output Select” affects the Main Output (L & R). So, as the Main Output of the GT1000 is connected to the Return on your combo’s effects loop. You would want to select “Tube Combo 112 Return”. It can’t hurt to try all of the outputs with “Tube” AND “Return” in them to see which one you like best.
@@rnodern Thanks for the quick response! I will try to figure it out.
@@heimaufnahme Yeah man, so the output select on the GT1000 refers to the main output (L & R) - It depends what amp you're using. For my Mesa Duel Rec stack, I have selected "TUBE STACK 412 RETURN". This is because the main output of the GT1000 is connected directly to the return of the amplifier's effects loop. I lean heavily on my amp's natural tone. In order to do the same, make sure you turn off any AIRD or cabinet emulation blocks in the patches you design. When designing your patches, I find that it helps thinking about it similar to a traditional pedalboard. Like where would you put the specific pedal (or effect) in the signal path.
Hi nice video and very informative, but I'm not sure if I missed it but did you change output settings (like recording or other options)? or it just disapppears when you disabled the GTK pre amps?
Hey there! thanks for the comment. Good question! So, you do this by setting the master output mode to match your amplifier/ cabling situation. Setting this is outside of the patch design, so you don't need to set it with every patch :) You didn't miss it, I forgot to mention it in the video. :D
Cool! so you mean other than the L or R outputs in the end of the chain, there is a master output that would determine what I'm using? cause I just happen to make mine sound good on any digital speakers (frfr and or studio monitors) but not on analog gear like a tube amp. I want to set a patch that is all pedals like what you did :( still learning i guess! anyway thank for your time and posting such tutorials, GTK doesnt have too much info in the web unlike the helix and fractal counterparts.
@@mikiithe13th Hey again. Yes, there's a master output mode which allows you to "tweak" the output signal to suit where the signal is going. i.e. "Headphones", "Recording", , "Tube Combo", "Katana" etc.etc. Do this in the menu of the GT1000 itself. Take a look at page 36 of this PDF from the boss website: static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/GT-1000_parameter_eng01_W.pdf After quite a lot of playing around with the unit I've learned that, at least with the dual rectifier, to rely more on the amp to lay the foundation of your tone. Clean patches are probably easier to get good sounding tones than your crunch or lead tones; just setup a nice sparkly clean channel and build from there. When designing your crunch tone, what works best for me is to set up the amp first. So, on the crunch channel, I set the amp gain so that it's starting to break up already, nothing over the top, just a nice warm overdrive. Then build your patch around that as you would with traditional pedals. It's easy to get a clipped, compressed sounding tone if you overdo the gain on these overdrive pedals. This is because the signal may already be totally saturated and clipped before it gets to the amplifier preamp. So, now I rarely go above 25% gain on an overdrive pedal. You can also stage them using multiple different overdrive pedals subtly before your preamp. It adds a richness and fullness to the tone without clipping and sounding fragile. Doing it like this drives your already slightly overdriven amplifier preamp in the same way as a traditional pedalboard setup.
@@rnodern So what are your output settings for 4cm with a tube head? "Tube stack"? "Recording"?
For the life of me I can't get the three channel thing working, I have a dual recto multi watt the same as yours and have done everything I can. I can get the channel selection working fine with the gt 1000 but my green channel signal is either going into the fx return of the amp with the gt's loop off (in which case only the amps master volume works, not the channel volume) or there is no volume at all with the gt's fx loop on. Any suggestions?
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. First things first, make sure you're using a TRS (stereo to 2x mono) cable and enter the mono plugs into the footswitch plugs in the back of the amp. In the Master block at the end of the signal chain, and flick Amp Ctl 1 and Amp Ctl 2 and observe what happens to your amp to determine what settings you need to go with for channel 1,2 and 3. I think I know what's happening with the other issue you're having. If only the master volume is working, it says to me that you're bypassing the amp's preamp entirely and going straight into the poweramp. There are a couple of things to sort this out. First, ensure that your cabling is correct. It should be: 1. [Guitar] into [GTK Main Input], 2. [GTK Send 1] into [Amplifier Main Input], 3. [Amplifier FX Loop Send] into [GTK Return 1]. 4. [GTK Main Output/L Mono] into [Amplifier FX Loop Return]. Next, on the back of the Dual Rec, make sure that the dial above the FX loop at the back is set to "Loop On". Lastly, one thing to remember is that ALL 4CM patches need to have GTK Send Return 1 block activated. If you don't activate this block, it will always bypass the amplifier's preamp which could be why only the master volume works. Also, if the Loop on the amp is not in "Loop On" mode, the amp is only getting its signal from the GTK into the poweramp. Please check these and let me know how you go. :D good luck!
@@rnodern All sorted mate, I reversed the two leads coming from the TRS adapter, somehow this made it work so I've labelled all the leads now. Your idea of colour coding is great. I've been a gt8 user for the last 15 years so the the gt1000 is a big step up. Also I've noticed that, in order to get the midi working with my JVM410 I've had to initialise any patch that I was going to use otherwise the amp wouldn't respond properly to patch changes, it would just randomly change channels/ master volumes/ fx on and off. This was highly frustrating as the gt 8 was plug and play in that regard. Thanks for your response and keep on rockin.
Hi mate. I have a 'parallel' FX Loop (Marshall VS100R). Been experimenting with the Marshall's FX Mix (dry/fx signal blend) and have found that I need to adjust the GT's output volume every time I adjust the Marshall's volume. If I crank the Marshall up a bit, the effect's in the loop get drowned out. Is that the same on your Mesa?
Hey mate thanks for the comment. Fortunately this Dual Rec was made after they changed back to series FX loops. There will certainly be issues with a parallel effects loop :(. What I would probably do is create copies of patches in different banks. And have a “home” version of each patch which has the volumes set for your home levels, and a “live” or “rehearsal” version of each patch which has volumes set at appropriate levels for your amp when it’s cranked. That way you don’t have to manually go in there and adjust it every time :(
@@rnodern Thanks mate, yes, while I can make it work there seems to be a lot of compromises with a blended parallel loop, certainly volume matching is a pain and pretty sure it's having phasing issues too, just sounds a bit off when blended. Was hoping your Mesa was parallel and you were going to let me know of some setting in the GT to sort it.....no worries, I'll continue to experiment with GT/Amp integration. Next on the list is to see how it goes in series by only running the GT either straight into the amp, or straight into the FX Return.
@@Techo1329 apologies I couldn’t be of more help. The VS are valvestate, right? So a valve preamp and a solid state power amp? I was going to suggest just using the gt1000 as your preamp, going straight out of the GT1000 into the effects loop of the amp but you’re missing the characteristics of the amp you love. Having an amp repair guy change the loop to serial would probably be cheaper than getting another amp. You’ll also keep the characteristics you like about the Vs100R.
@@rnodern yep, single 12AX7 in the preamp section. Will run some more sound checks and see how it goes with the GT in serial having decided I don't want to have to mess around with volume matching.
@@Techo1329 I would get rid of that hybrid amp, if I were you, and buy an all-tube combo or head. Nowadays they are pretty affordable and good. Especially Marshall DSL series.
Great video mate, glad I came across it as I seriously ponder whether or not to pull the trigger and buy the GT-1000 Core. I'll be in camp 3 and have a question regarding amp control...my Marshall only has a single 1/4" jack for its channel select foot switch, in this case I'm guessing there would be no need to split the TRS cable? Interested to know if anyone has used a GT-1000 in 4CM with a Marshall and successfully integrated amp channel switching.
Hey mate thanks for the comment. Yep, you won’t need a TRS cable if it’s just a single 1/4” jack for the footswitch. To figure out which channel on the Boss will change the amp channel, once it’s all connected, just jump into the Tone Studio, in the Master block at the end of the chain, and flick A and B one by one until you see the amp channel change. I’ve personally used it on a DSL successfully with 4CM with channel switching, so you should be able to the same. On the GTK Core, you may want to get an external expression pedal too to get the most out of it. :D
@@rnodern Thanks for confirming you got amp control on a DSL, no doubt it'll work on my old Valvestate. That pretty much seals it for me, having just resumed playing after an 18 year hiatus I'm going to slap a Core on a board with my old Crybaby and SD-1 in the Core's loop, then 4CM (I guess 5CM with channel switching) to the Marshall. Should freshen up the old Valvestate nicely.
@@rnodern Just thought I'd follow up to confirm the channel switching worked a treat on the Marshall combo with a single footswitch jack...single TRS cable from the Boss direct to the Marshall footswitch jack, with the 'AMP CTRL' turned on and set to 'latching'. Works perfectly to switch between all 3 amp channels.
@@Techo1329 awesome! 🤘happy jamming
hi there nice video, I am thinking about gettin this amp, but I am doing some research, what I haven't found is any info on What amp is compatible with Amp CTL, I have a Mark five 90 W, do you know if it is compatible?, I would need to make a cable with TRS on one side and the other side and 8 pin Din if I use this would it be compatible?
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. If your amp has 1/4” mono jacks for controlling channels, you’re all good. An alternative could be midi, if your amp has midi input. You can get a little self powered device called “WIDI Jack” (or just a midi cable out of the gt1000) and change the assigns in the patches you create to send the appropriate program change message to switch your amp channels.
39 now your getting there almost
Is there a video that shows how to use midi of GT1000 to control amp channels. ?
This is covered in my video. But its using the built in TRS amp controls, not MIDI
Apologies I misread your comment.
What you’ll need to do is read up on your amp head - what program change messages relate to what behaviour. Then in the Assigns in your patch, send that midi program change
Wat output setting on the gt should I be on with this setup?
Thanks for the question. It depends on your amp. Take a look at page 39 here static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/GT-1000_parameter_eng08_W.pdf - Find the closest to your amp and select the one ending in RETURN if you are using 4CM.
For example. With the Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier I am using (with either a 412 or 212 cabinet), I set the Output Select setting to "Rectifier 412 RETURN"
@@rnodern thanx dude. One more thing can I use the gt in front of the amp like a pedal board only and still use channel switching on my messa?
@@billhinsperger8120 sure can. Just connect the main out of the gt to the main in on your amp. (Change output settings) to whatever suits the amp/situation.
Design your patches without engaging any send and return blocks (green box when engaged with up and down arrow). Roll all the way to the right to the last block and inside there is the amp channel selection. Connect the foot switch jack on your amp to the foot switch out on the GT and you’re good to go.
From memory, on the GT it’s called Amp CTL or something
Do you share those patches?
great demo,i want tihs multieffects,i have a single rectifier,i need test overdirives,delays,reverbs and noise gates.¿are the delays and reverbs goods?
salut from Spain
Hey mate! Thanks for the comment. Sure the brain is super powerful. The gt1000 contains the same guts as the DD500, RV500 and most of the MD500. I used to use these on an “analog” pedal board but replaced them all with this. The trick to tone I find, particularly with an overdrive tone is using your crunch channel, already breaking up. And then push the preamp with a subdued overdrive pedal (or combination of pedals) on the GT1000. I basically use this as a huge collection of pedals all in one place
@@rnodern thank you,man,goods ticks
@@josemariagl70 no problems! Any time!
I'm waiting for a sound at 28 minutes from this, its almost like the basic mesa sound is what i here..Riiche Sambora sound is what i love even keith urban ..i see what you are doing and i will go crazy over and over turning noise drives me crazy ....help
The hours spent doing this set up is so time consuming can you set up mine ..i know this sound like alot to ask from you but i need the basic rock set up pedals arranged front back i don't know i could spend the rest of my life driving myself crazy and not playing the instrument after the hours and hours with GNX4 then i did the reach around with cable on my mesa and it never worked again most likely put it in wrong stop and fried it ..it was so much fun with the built in drum machine.i have the same amp as you 3000 grand and a 500 dollar gnx4 was nice .
Coming late to the GT-1000 party, but if I am using the 4CM, is it right that the front of my Mesa Express Plus' controls now have no effect? Eventually I would like to use combinations of GT-1000 distortions as well as my amp's natural distortion. Man, this board is DEEP! Thank you.
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. There is so much to unpack with the GT1000 and am now doing a whole lot more with it than when I made this video. The answer to your question is no. Well, yes and no. The front of your Mesa express controls are still perfectly operational, provided you are using the Amp’s preamp. You can bypass the preamp entirely if you want to, but your Mesa preamp will be better than any of the AIRD preamps. To make sure that your Mesa preamp is in the signal chain of your patch, make sure that “Send Return 1” block is engaged in your patch design. If that block is not engaged, you’re only sending signal directly to the Power Amp of the amplifier. This could be why you’ve experienced no front controls working. Now, to combine your amp distortion with some of the GT1000 distortions, make sure that any distortion effect blocks are to the LEFT of the engaged Send Return 1 block in the patch designer. This is the same as putting a distortion stomp box before the amp to drive the pre amp.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Happy to help!
Hi can you switch amp channels via midi? Thanks
Hi there, thanks for the comment. Yes, if that’s how your amplifier accepts the incoming channel selections. However, you will need to setup your MIDI assign in the Ctrl/Assign settings, as opposed to using the channel selections in the Main Output block at the very end of the signal chain.
I want patches maybe call me lazy i need help .
The thing is, can I connect it to iPad
Yep, the Boss GT1000 app is available on iOS devices. It connects to the GT1000 via Bluetooth.
Have you tried to use the gt1000 amps with the tube poweramp. I tried but could not get a good Sound. I tried output recording Stecker off, output to tube amp return 4x12 and output to user1. Euch sounded different but not good at all
I have, yeah. I really don’t use them. The gt1000 preamps with a tube power amp are probably better for clean tones than dirty tones. But I really can’t go past my Dual Rectifier preamps both clean and dirty :D
@@rnodern I figured out that best unfiltered output is recording speakers off today. I made A and B channel with the splitter put my engl tube preamp in the effects loop of A and an AIRD amp in channel B and set the mixer to 100% channel A 0% channel B so now when you switch the amp in channel B off the Gt 1000 switchs on off the output setting and you can compare which setting sounds similar for the tube preamp in the effects loop.
Seems Gt 1000 cannot make a speaker similation without an amp on so i put it in muted in channel B.
I think this is also good solution for going direct to PA with my tube preamp
Same pitfalls by boss. They cannot make a decent OD or distortion box that can sound realistic without sounding thin, boxy and digital. I would prefer playing a DIY bluesbreaker over any of the OD offered on this gt1000
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Using their tube screamer in front of a valve amp sounds fine to me
Hi i have a question about the 4CM usage with GT 1000. As far as I understand when connecting the unit to your external amp you can only use the preamp of the external amp, right? I mean you cannot use the GT 1000 internal preamo models or the external preamp alternatively, right?
Thanks for any tip.
Hey mate, thanks for the question. Yep, you can bypass your guitar amplifiers preamp with the way you setup your patches. So, if you disengage the Send Return 1 on the GTK, you won’t be sending signal to the front of the amp, you’ll only be sending signal out of the GTK main output, therefore sending it directly to the “return” of the amplifiers FX loop. Effectively putting your signal straight into the Power Amp. It’s hard to explain, but if you look at the diagram in the video, and imagine that the GTK send return is disabled when you don’t engage the FX loop on the GTK, it makes more sense! I hope I explained that correctly!
Oh and of course, put the GTK preamp somewhere in your signal chain, you’re effectively removing the amplifier preamp, and using the GTK preamp models instead!
@@rnodern Got it, thanks for the info!
This was going to be my question also. Thanks! I want to have some patches going into the front of my amp to use its pre amp, and some patches into the return to use the GT 1000 pre amp models.
knightssky 👍🏻 the 4CM method is the most versatile as it allows you to add or remove the guitar amplifier preamp to the signal chain at your discretion and replace it with one of the sims from the GTK. One thing I have recently discovered is that the amp in the video, the Mesa Dual Rectifier has a weird Effects Loop feedback issue at high volumes. So if you’re making your tones with a Dual Rec, do it at stage/rehearsal room volume to get the send/return volume just right, so that you don’t experience that weird feedback sound.
Were did u download the Ola path
In the description of his GT1000 video
czcams.com/video/tsXCI1Zfg98/video.htmlsi=_MAQSA0gNP16a1Qh
Do you know we're to Find he's other patch, the ones not for 4CM ??
I know he makes amazing patch on the boss gt 1000, but can't find them
is there a way to record 4cm in a daw without using a mic?
Take a look at a “Universal Audio OX Amp Top Box”. Sits between the amplifier 4,8,16 ohm out and the speaker. Basically it is a reactive load box, but capable of emulation and has xlr/usb connectivity
@@rnodern oh man that’s about expensive as a tube amp I think I’ll just think with the arid amps through the monitors I just gotta mess around it to achieve a good tone
@@rnodern thanks anyways though was an insightful video
I love what you did hear... would you be willing to help me set mine up
Hey mate thanks for the comment. What help do you need?
@@rnodern I'm not a complete novice...but I need help setting up the stomp box mode.i want to be able to do it like old school.ex...like I'm in one clean patch and than make it a crunch than dirty with reverb delay and other effects on the fly.thank you.
Can Gt-1000 be connected in 7 cable method to 2 tube heads, and use the amp control (with an y cable like yours) to change the channels of booth amps?
Can it cause any dammage to the amps or the Gt-1000?
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
Portuguese Beer hey there! Short answer is yes. But you’d need to use the second send return on the GT1000 and build your patches accordingly. In terms of switching amps, depending on how many channels both amplifiers have, you may need to go down the MIDI route which may also need additional gear to utilise whatever switching mechanism your amp uses.
@@rnodern thanks man.
The amps have booth 2 channels. But they also control a second function besides the channel switching.
Portuguese Beer if they’re both 2 channel amps, you should be able to use the one stereo to 2 mono cable and send one mono to each amp. 🍻 cheers!
Portuguese Beer but for the other functions, (assuming it’s for reverb, or perhaps a second voicing for each channel?) you’d need to figure out a different way. If that’s the case, and you still want to control those features, you’d probably need to go MIDI
@@rnodern
Thanks a lot, man!
I just want to change channels, because Gt1000 does the rest!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
Does the GT1000 works like an attenuator?
Hey mate thanks for the question. I guess you could dial down the output going back to the power amp, but it won’t work the same way as a typical attenuator . Therefore it probably won’t sound as good as an attenuator
What if you want to use amp control to change channels on an EVH 5150 III with only one Foot Switch input? A regular TS cable works with the Footswitch but not with the Amp Ctl on the GT 1000. Any help would be awesome.
It still should work with just tip sleeve cable out of the amp Ctrl jack of the GT1000. Plug it all in, and when you design patches, scroll all the way over to the right to the master block. From memory, there are 2- 3 amp control switches. Toggle each them individually and observe the amp behaviour and note down which combination changes the channel on your amp head.
@@rnodern Thanks for the reply. I've done that and nothing happens.
@@rnodern I've sent an email to BOSS about the situation. Hopefully they'll reply with an answer.
@@josephkuhlman654 i just had a quick Google, looks like there are 3 & 4 buttons on the foot switch of the 5150 III, but with a single TS cable. This may imply that they’re doing something funky with their switching mechanism. It may still be possible, but you may need to figure out how they’re sending the signals and replicate it, possibly via MIDI
This may be helpful. Someone did it with the Line6 Helix, but it describes the MIDI channels and what they did with the amp. line6.com/support/topic/17343-midi-commands-with-5150-iii/?do=findComment&comment=128192
i have a combo valve amp.how i can i use only the speaker of the combo amp?
Hey mate thanks for the comment. I assume you’ll still want to use the power amp in your combo. You can do this by: guitar to gt1000 input, gt1000 main output to return of your amplifiers effects loop. Set the gt1000 output select to Tube Combo Return (112 or 212 depending on how many speakers in your combo)
When you’re designing your patches, turn off any speaker emulation, but turn on the desired AIRD preamp emulations
@@rnodern 1) if i use the setup you described,the equalizers in the amp(bass,treble,middle,presence,resonance) can effect the tone or they are bypassed and the tone can be modified only by the boss gt-1000 EQs?
2)is it possible to not use the preamp of the combo amp and use only the 2 speakers or the amp?can i use the speaker emulation of the boss gt 1000 in this setup for different tones?is a possibility of damaging the speakers?
@@juventinos81 it depends, generally the EQ settings on guitar amps are in the preamp circuit, but there are also amps that have power amp EQ’s. You’d need to check the amp’s manual. Or just try it out and see if the eq affects your tone when bypassing the preamp. If your amp has a global EQ that affects multiple channels, it could be that it’s a power amp EQ.
I don’t think you’ll be able to drive the speaker in your combo without a power amp.
@@rnodern thanks for the answers,much appreciated.i have the blackstar ht 60 mkii 2x12 and i am in search for a multieffects pedal and i want to choose the one that suit best in my needs.
Hi , about to buy the core model, I have a fender DR & love the tone of that amp.
If I only want to use the “ effects only “ on this unit i.e no pre amps ...that is possible ? As my DR has no effects loop
Also I love my strymon elCapistan....I can insert that in the chain of effects ? Correct ?
Sorry to trouble you :)
Hi there, thanks for the question. Yep, you can use it as effects only. This is exactly how I am using the GT1000. Just use the 4 cable method, so that you’re able to to design the signal path with the desired effects before or after your preamp. What you’ll need to do is first, set the master output to match the amp (stack send, combo amp etc.) to disable the cabinet emulation, and then, when you are designing your patches, switch off any preamp blocks in the signal chain. That way you’re only using the inbuilt effects and none of the AIRD emulation.
There is a second send and return loop on the GT1000, so you’re able to include the strymon pedal (or chain of pedals) in that send/return. If your strymon is also midi controlled, I would also suggest to connect the midi from the GT1000 to your strymon. That way, for any particular patch, you’re able to engage the send/return that the strymon is connected to on the GT1000, but also switch to a particular patch or setting on the strymon all with a single click of a footswitch on the GT-1000 .
@@rnodern Thank you so much for your time :)
See this set up is so dang time consuming hours and hours i need patches Maybe down loads i can use to just be there of course ill pay for the effort you made ..
Eh buddy I’m using this method I’m using the gt to switch the 3 channels in my boogie I want to insert an external distortion pedal for my rythem and lead channels where would I put this pedal so it automatically turns on and off when I switch channels
Hey mate, I do this too. Take a look at my pedalboard now: i.imgur.com/TXMEo6i.jpg
Okay, so I am assuming you’re using 4CM as described in this video. In the second send/return on the GT1000, run a cable from the send to the in on your pedal, and run a cable from the out of your pedal back into the return of the gt1000. Send/return Loop one is used for the 4CM, and the second send/return loop can be used for additional analog pedals. When you are designing your patch, start with selecting which amp channel you want to use. Engage send and return 1 and 2 (1 is required unless you don’t want to use the amplifier preamp) then place send/return block 2 wherever you want it in your signal chain. If it’s distortion, place it just before send return block 1. Save the patch and it will change channels and engage your analog pedal when you switch to that patch. Note: the pedal has to always be on and engaged, you’re just inserting and removing it from the signal chain in your patch design.
You may notice I have many pedals. I’m using a Voodoo hex midi switcher. So, the send/return block loop is sent to/from the voodoo hex. All my analog pedals are plugged into the hex. Then, I send a midi signal to the hex to activate certain pedals in my patch design. It’s super cool if you want to combine the GT1000 with multiple analog pedals.
@@rnodern thanx bro
Eh buddy one more question lol I made a patch I can’t figure out how to assign it to bank 1? Or any of the banks lol when I go to the control function menu and click on any of the banks it doesn’t give me the option to download my patch I made
@@billhinsperger8120hey mate, you select which patch (bank) when you save or write the patch. Something like U1-1 will be patch one bank one
@@rnodern ya I followed your method it’s Awsome but once I complete my patch I go to write and it saves but does not give me an option to assign it to a bank? And when I go to the assign menu it shows all the banks but when I click on any of them it just brings up effects not patch options, are u saying once I write it atomically goes to bank 1?