I am in 100% agreement with you on this! Grand Master Flash & co. influenced kids to write their own rhymes and be creative Djs. NWA (who I did NOT respect at the time and never will) influenced a generation toward gangsterism, ignorance, and negativity (read Jerrold Ladd's "Out of the Madness" and Evans D. Hopkins "Life After Life.").
Daaaammmmmnnnn !!!!! ..... been lookin for this Joint for a minute.... the Furious 5 by any other name is STILL the sweetest......... New..................York.....................Citeeeeeeee !!!!!
I have no clue where the hell to get a copy of we rap more mellow now but if I find out I'm trying to see how to collect royalties for it so as soon as I find out there's quite a few dollars involved I'm sure because we never got a penny!
King Tim III was released about a month before "Rappers Delight (the former came out in the Summer of 79-I was 14 at the time-and RD came out that September (when I started high school). King Tim was big mostly along the East coast and the South. Super Rappin (which is largely this same song with a different beat) came out about a month after Rapper's Delight, so this song would probably predate RD.
who are the marvelous three? I was on this recording with my percussion brothers Rene and Ray. We were ripped off by terry lewis. It the rappers on the first day That would be the furious five. There were others there that day but they weren't used that day. We returned the second day to lay down the percussion tracks. There was another musician who put down the guitar and bass tracks.The engineer also did something with a keyboard.
Charlie, I'm with ya 100% on NWA. I hate gangster crap with a passion. BTW, in researching this, "King Tim III" came out on the "Fatback XII" lp on July 25, 1979 and Rapper's Delight came out on Sept. 24, 1979. One source has "We Rap More Mellow" being released on Jan 1, 1979, but I'm not sure about that, as the producers didn't likely realize that this would be historically important and probably guessed at the release date later on. It surely came out before "Superrappin" in Nov. 1979.
I got this back when i was running record shop in da 80s 0n white bootleg lp with other stuff like Eugene Record - overdose of joy on it - Nice to see the original lable - top post !!!
Gangsta Rap definitely reps a part of society that needs to be shown to the rest of America who would otherwise not even realize it existed. The problems in places like Compton are reality and were expressed way back in the day by the Emcees we're listening to right here. Still, there is a difference between expression and glorification. Moving beyond your situation requires acknowledging it first, true. (continued below)
"Superrappin'" can be regarded as one of the first "Remixes"....I personally liked the production on this track better, but the Enjoy version is a Certified Classic!
Ryhmes Pays is one of the best albums ever made! But you have to give SOOC it's props, you had Dre and Yella on the production, Ren with the New York type rhymes, Cube who did a song on there without cussing, much respect, Eazy bringing up the tailend and even Arabian Prince with the dance cut! They told stories, but also came to make ya dance! Peace!
listen everyone i am the original member of the younger generation c-larock not the f-five i love them so much they openning up many doors for everyone no one give them enough credit.but i wrote the song that was called brake loose 1984 master mix records.
you are right,they left terry lewis and became the f-five we took over the name the younger generation fly tie,c-larock,kenny love,sladlarock,kool kal,and rock box the hotiest group in the bronx.song went to lundon
whereabouts of 1979 was this released? I know Fatback Band's "King Tim" is regarded as the first hip hop song ever to be recorded and that came out in August of that year.
I know this came out in 1979, but does anyone know if this predates"Rappers Delight" or "King Tim III"? Those came out in Sept/Oct. 1979 and Grand Master Flash's "Superrappin" came out in Nov. 1979 (featuring most of these very same lyrics with a different instrumental).
@Themaddprof I'm look'n for this same answer...one dude I heard say that "King Tim III" was released on July 25th...(I'm not too sure how valid that is), but I've found at least 20 songs that were considered early hip hop songs recorded in '79 alone!!! This is very interestin' to know...I see Flash 'n 'em came out in the same year record'n under two diff'rent names!!!
Now this is a classic two-stepper! Much better flow than "Superrappin". I enjoy listening to Superrappin, but to me, this is more danceable, plus I really like the instrumentation here. This didn't make the radio cut in Cleveland, Oh. at the time, mainly because of the smash success of "Rappers Delight".
@preludance this is me the younger generation i wrote the 1984 breakloose single c larock baby its gets no better terry lewis gave the furious 5 the title name title as well younger generation witch didnt bother me but the only thing he cross the line was giving them the credit for breakloose i rap and performed that track....snake, gunzelo,sammy the bull, fake ass punk producer i am back now stronger then ever.....no blood shed i just want to know why......i wish i came back along time ago
furious five was better know as the group called the younger generation/1978 until 1982/ c-larock pick up the name the younger generation after the furious five left [terry lewis] who was a producer at that time sign c-larock who was A.G.C. at that time.they was sign in 1983 to master mix records. c-larock was the first artist to perform at the world largest copacabanna nite club in new york history in the making
The track, produced by Terry Lewis, was also performed by the Furious Five. Younger Generarion was just another name for Melle Mel, Cowboy, Mr. Ness, Rahiem und Kid Creole. The difference to "superrappin" can be heard. Superrapin' is more pumping. Love it anyway.
@Themaddprof According to Jason Ankeny of AMG, We Rap More Mellow (and Superappin' after that) was released after Rapper's Delight had shown that hip hop records could actually sell, so it would predate them both. Don't know about King Tim III though.
sorry so late,no this terry lewis was from long island new york worked with all the 1980s rappers. he took there money and ran,yes i am looking for him, melle mel is cool with me, he didnt know what was going on.
Stories like NWA's and the crew had to be told! New York and the other MCees where telling their stories of street life and NWA had to tell it the way they saw it! Todays so called rappers don't tell stories, they just try and rap about what wish they knew! Not a diss to you, but NWA sampled heavily from the New York sound and rapped about partying, and not all the time about the streets and police! Peace!
@preludance this is me the younger generation i wrote the 1984 breakloose single c larock baby its gets no better terry lewis gave the furious 5 the title name title as well younger generation witch didnt bother me but the only thing he cross the line was giving them the credit for breakloose i rap and performed that track....snake, gunzelo,sammy the bull, fake ass punk producer i am back now stronger then ever.....no blood shed i just want to know why......
Seriously? How can you blame NWA for single-handedly "destroying" hip hop??? Blame "the likes" and the imitators! NWA rapped about reality that surrounded them, it was new and had never been said in the way they said it. I'm tired of hearing people attributing the death of hiphop to NWA and the original gangsta rappers. Its much more complex and than that.
(continued from above) However, once it's expressed, a better path must be recognized, laid down and followed. Gangsta Rap gave problems but no solutions. Therefore, by itself, it became an incredibly destructive influence. Unfortunate, but true.
yo whats up my name is c-larock from the younger generation 1984 i wrote brake loose and performed it terry lewis and patrict adams gave credit to the furious five not chris slade who wrote the song he is in the atl and is comming back look out yall zulu nation
Someone help me out. I found out about this through reading "Hip Hop Family Tree." The author says they recorded this without permission from the Furious 5. So, the story is they just invited them to fool around in a studio, then released it changing the name of the group? I was confused how a record could come out without the group even knowing.
@charliedesiles the "positive" rappers are still around, just the gangsta rappers got more fame and popularity. you just gotta dig deep to find it. i personally like both, but it really sucks that gangsta rap took the spotlight instead
Let's talk about the ppl behind the scenes who's partly responsible for opening the doors to such grim acts who really don't care about anything but cashing in & controlling the new "hip" sensation that's giving voice & power to the younger generation. Their bottom line is the dollar sign & moving units, anything else is irrelevant. I actually bought the tape in 87 mainly bcuz of Dope Man, but soon after realized I made a big mistake. Compared to Ice-T's Rhyme Pays it was a joke. ¡Paz!
lol Did you buy the censored version? Ice Cube cusses like a damn sailor on the cut "A Bitch Iz A Bitch". I forgot to mention the cut "Boyz In The Hood" & "Tuffest Man Alive" were decent but nothing to write home about. Paz!
@charliedesiles so what nwa grew up gangsta the only thing they saw in there live is killing gangbanging driveby's what els would they rap about the rapper that made hiphop at it best was the best rapper ever 2pac
I know people will quote me negatively, but I don't care. We should all blame NWA and the like's, which have turned a POSITIVE and OPEN-MINDED movement into GANSTA rap, a cloistered and narrow-minded lyricism advocating the glory of oneself ! While we know we are all different and no matter how rough life can be, we should not forget that we're all in the same damn shit ! Gangsta rap is just every man for himself. It helps capitalists. I hate that. Stay united brothers !
@GRANDMASTERKANE true true. People talk bout this new rapper all bout money, but at same time they gloryfie this fucking NWA wich is the same shit, and NWA just got popular cuz they had a jewish contact.
Hip hop was a suburban culture that included different ways of expressing oneself, a fully equipped hip hop team would feature a rapper, a deejay, a dancer (breaker), and a graffiti art specialist. U.N.I.T.Y. you see. In 1979 the deejay was evicted by Sugarhill Gang - the soul of real hip hop music died at the very moment it became popular. (So did other forms of popular music.) Death of a musical genre is not significant before years... With the venue of NWA in '87 it was done.
yea nwa started the decline of hip-hop but it started out great, but then after ice-cube left n the biggest sell out of all time dr dre started calling the shots it went to crap, dre produces bieber, he only cares about the money, and then almost every rapper wanted to be like nwa, at first it was saying rise up n funk the police but it became all right-wing, hip-hop was always left-wing before nwa,
I am in 100% agreement with you on this! Grand Master Flash & co. influenced kids to write their own rhymes and be creative Djs. NWA (who I did NOT respect at the time and never will) influenced a generation toward gangsterism, ignorance, and negativity (read Jerrold Ladd's "Out of the Madness" and Evans D. Hopkins "Life After Life.").
Daaaammmmmnnnn !!!!! ..... been lookin for this Joint for a minute.... the Furious 5 by any other name is STILL the sweetest......... New..................York.....................Citeeeeeeee !!!!!
Great record, Thanks for sharing.
This is Rahiem of The Furious 5 and actually there were approximately 89 rap records released in 1979
I love the history lesson, Legend :-)
Most I ever paid for a record $40.00 back in 83 it's rare
I have no clue where the hell to get a copy of we rap more mellow now but if I find out I'm trying to see how to collect royalties for it so as soon as I find out there's quite a few dollars involved I'm sure because we never got a penny!
+Rahiem .El Bey
Respect bro. I always wondered, why did you leave The Funky Four?
+Van Cozzin I left the Funky 4 because I just wanted to be down with the crew I thought was the best at that time
King Tim III was released about a month before "Rappers Delight (the former came out in the Summer of 79-I was 14 at the time-and RD came out that September (when I started high school). King Tim was big mostly along the East coast and the South. Super Rappin (which is largely this same song with a different beat) came out about a month after Rapper's Delight, so this song would probably predate RD.
Rah the Legend …….. !!!
Great record & I have my original. Copy!
Pure gold.
great jam. I also loved "Rappin All Over"
thanks for posting!
who are the marvelous three? I was on this recording with my percussion brothers Rene and Ray. We were ripped off by terry lewis. It the rappers on the first day That would be the furious five. There were others there that day but they weren't used that day. We returned the second day to lay down the percussion tracks. There was another musician who put down the guitar and bass tracks.The engineer also did something with a keyboard.
Charlie, I'm with ya 100% on NWA. I hate gangster crap with a passion. BTW, in researching this, "King Tim III" came out on the "Fatback XII" lp on July 25, 1979 and Rapper's Delight came out on Sept. 24, 1979. One source has "We Rap More Mellow" being released on Jan 1, 1979, but I'm not sure about that, as the producers didn't likely realize that this would be historically important and probably guessed at the release date later on. It surely came out before "Superrappin" in Nov. 1979.
1979...Furious 5 earliest records,...Superrappin...🎤🎧🎼...Hip Hop Don't Stop..Cowboy..
I got this back when i was running record shop in da 80s 0n white bootleg lp with other stuff like Eugene Record - overdose of joy on it - Nice to see the original lable - top post !!!
great song, just heard the shortened version of this song on Music Choice a minute ago and now added it onto my favorites! :)
Gangsta Rap definitely reps a part of society that needs to be shown to the rest of America who would otherwise not even realize it existed. The problems in places like Compton are reality and were expressed way back in the day by the Emcees we're listening to right here. Still, there is a difference between expression and glorification. Moving beyond your situation requires acknowledging it first, true. (continued below)
"Superrappin'" can be regarded as one of the first "Remixes"....I personally liked the production on this track better, but the Enjoy version is a Certified Classic!
Ryhmes Pays is one of the best albums ever made! But you have to give SOOC it's props, you had Dre and Yella on the production, Ren with the New York type rhymes, Cube who did a song on there without cussing, much respect, Eazy bringing up the tailend and even Arabian Prince with the dance cut! They told stories, but also came to make ya dance! Peace!
listen everyone i am the original member of the younger generation c-larock not the f-five i love them so much they openning up many doors for everyone no one give them enough credit.but i wrote the song that was called brake loose 1984 master mix records.
you are right,they left terry lewis and became the f-five we took over the name the younger generation fly tie,c-larock,kenny love,sladlarock,kool kal,and rock box the hotiest group in the bronx.song went to lundon
w00000t this one gets bookmarked! Luv it xD
my favorite rap record my first rap record giving to me the DJ mighty master cee by DJ holy Steve White from Virginia state college
Awesome...
whereabouts of 1979 was this released? I know Fatback Band's "King Tim" is regarded as the first hip hop song ever to be recorded and that came out in August of that year.
I know this came out in 1979, but does anyone know if this predates"Rappers Delight" or "King Tim III"? Those came out in Sept/Oct. 1979 and Grand Master Flash's "Superrappin" came out in Nov. 1979 (featuring most of these very same lyrics with a different instrumental).
@Themaddprof I'm look'n for this same answer...one dude I heard say that "King Tim III" was released on July 25th...(I'm not too sure how valid that is), but I've found at least 20 songs that were considered early hip hop songs recorded in '79 alone!!! This is very interestin' to know...I see Flash 'n 'em came out in the same year record'n under two diff'rent names!!!
this is popin!
Jam to the beat.
Very well said, your comments are so on point.
Now this is a classic two-stepper! Much better flow than "Superrappin". I enjoy listening to Superrappin, but to me, this is more danceable, plus I really like the instrumentation here. This didn't make the radio cut in Cleveland, Oh. at the time, mainly because of the smash success of "Rappers Delight".
@preludance this is me the younger generation i wrote the 1984 breakloose single c larock baby its gets no better terry lewis gave the furious 5 the title name title as well younger generation witch didnt bother me but the only thing he cross the line was giving them the credit for breakloose i rap and performed that track....snake, gunzelo,sammy the bull, fake ass punk producer i am back now stronger then ever.....no blood shed i just want to know why......i wish i came back along time ago
furious five was better know as the group called the younger generation/1978 until 1982/ c-larock pick up the name the younger generation after the furious five left [terry lewis] who was a producer at that time sign c-larock who was A.G.C. at that time.they was sign in 1983 to master mix records. c-larock was the first artist to perform at the world largest copacabanna nite club in new york history in the making
thanks support c-larock
¡Bien Chévere!
The track, produced by Terry Lewis, was also performed by the Furious Five. Younger Generarion was just another name for Melle Mel, Cowboy, Mr. Ness, Rahiem und Kid Creole. The difference to "superrappin" can be heard. Superrapin' is more pumping. Love it anyway.
@Themaddprof According to Jason Ankeny of AMG, We Rap More Mellow (and Superappin' after that) was released after Rapper's Delight had shown that hip hop records could actually sell, so it would predate them both. Don't know about King Tim III though.
1. I liked this version better than "Super Rappin'
2. My very first rap record purchase!
sorry so late,no this terry lewis was from long island new york worked with all the 1980s rappers. he took there money and ran,yes i am looking for him, melle mel is cool with me, he didnt know what was going on.
Stories like NWA's and the crew had to be told! New York and the other MCees where telling their stories of street life and NWA had to tell it the way they saw it! Todays so called rappers don't tell stories, they just try and rap about what wish they knew! Not a diss to you, but NWA sampled heavily from the New York sound and rapped about partying, and not all the time about the streets and police! Peace!
wow-i never knew this issh! ..& i thought i was a hip hop historian! lol.. oh yea shout out to 1of the greatest MCs, Muscle Simmons!..lol peace
@preludance this is me the younger generation i wrote the 1984 breakloose single c larock baby its gets no better terry lewis gave the furious 5 the title name title as well younger generation witch didnt bother me but the only thing he cross the line was giving them the credit for breakloose i rap and performed that track....snake, gunzelo,sammy the bull, fake ass punk producer i am back now stronger then ever.....no blood shed i just want to know why......
Seriously? How can you blame NWA for single-handedly "destroying" hip hop??? Blame "the likes" and the imitators! NWA rapped about reality that surrounded them, it was new and had never been said in the way they said it. I'm tired of hearing people attributing the death of hiphop to NWA and the original gangsta rappers. Its much more complex and than that.
I thought the lyrics were amazing and this is so so interesting to me.
@charliedesiles 90% front, 10% honesty
I've noticed most gangsta ra; is on the way out. Now lots of rap is RB mixed and i more positive
(continued from above) However, once it's expressed, a better path must be recognized, laid down and followed. Gangsta Rap gave problems but no solutions. Therefore, by itself, it became an incredibly destructive influence. Unfortunate, but true.
yo whats up my name is c-larock from the younger generation 1984 i wrote brake loose and performed it terry lewis and patrict adams gave credit to the furious five not chris slade who wrote the song he is in the atl and is comming back look out yall zulu nation
@mupsen123 Hello, I was in Old Compton Street today. In Soho, London.
Saw my pal gayleen, and we had coffee and watched the gangstars go by.
its sounds like super rapping
It is Super Rappin', The Original..... with The Sample From "Put Your Body In It," by Stephanie Mills...
Someone help me out. I found out about this through reading "Hip Hop Family Tree." The author says they recorded this without permission from the Furious 5. So, the story is they just invited them to fool around in a studio, then released it changing the name of the group? I was confused how a record could come out without the group even knowing.
c-larock new single do you really love hot this summer
@charliedesiles true
@zaantjedam123 cant blame u if u got fooled, u sure havent been in compton if u from netherlands.
@charliedesiles the "positive" rappers are still around, just the gangsta rappers got more fame and popularity. you just gotta dig deep to find it. i personally like both, but it really sucks that gangsta rap took the spotlight instead
Let's talk about the ppl behind the scenes who's partly responsible for opening the doors to such grim acts who really don't care about anything but cashing in & controlling the new "hip" sensation that's giving voice & power to the younger generation. Their bottom line is the dollar sign & moving units, anything else is irrelevant. I actually bought the tape in 87 mainly bcuz of Dope Man, but soon after realized I made a big mistake. Compared to Ice-T's Rhyme Pays it was a joke. ¡Paz!
To djmrbrown00 : Shame on you...with DJ at the front of your name! That's "Put Your Body In It" by Stephanie Mills. Dude!
@port2344chester you dont know what you are talking about its a movie coming out call street life a real hard core film tellin it like it is
money
@charliedesiles it is true, and people who talks NWA legendary and all that shud kno, nwa got popular just cuz they had a jewish contact.
Nardwuar brought me here.
lol Did you buy the censored version? Ice Cube cusses like a damn sailor on the cut "A Bitch Iz A Bitch". I forgot to mention the cut "Boyz In The Hood" & "Tuffest Man Alive" were decent but nothing to write home about. Paz!
@charliedesiles so what nwa grew up gangsta the only thing they saw in there live is killing gangbanging driveby's what els would they rap about
the rapper that made hiphop at it best was the best rapper ever 2pac
I know people will quote me negatively, but I don't care.
We should all blame NWA and the like's, which have turned a POSITIVE and OPEN-MINDED movement into GANSTA rap, a cloistered and narrow-minded lyricism advocating the glory of oneself ! While we know we are all different and no matter how rough life can be, we should not forget that we're all in the same damn shit !
Gangsta rap is just every man for himself. It helps capitalists. I hate that.
Stay united brothers !
@GRANDMASTERKANE true true. People talk bout this new rapper all bout money, but at same time they gloryfie this fucking NWA wich is the same shit, and NWA just got popular cuz they had a jewish contact.
@charliedesiles i understand but please dont turn this into a troll page
I thought this grand master flash in the furious five?
Shedon Chambliss it is. This was b4 they were GMF & The FF
@mupsen123 hahaha did i tell you that im from compton
Hip hop was a suburban culture that included different ways of expressing oneself, a fully equipped hip hop team would feature a rapper, a deejay, a dancer (breaker), and a graffiti art specialist.
U.N.I.T.Y. you see.
In 1979 the deejay was evicted by Sugarhill Gang - the soul of real hip hop music died at the very moment it became popular. (So did other forms of popular music.)
Death of a musical genre is not significant before years... With the venue of NWA in '87 it was done.
Grandmaster Flash and Furious five
@charliedesiles this entire song is about narrow-minded self-glorification brother
lol
yea nwa started the decline of hip-hop but it started out great, but then after ice-cube left n the biggest sell out of all time dr dre started calling the shots it went to crap, dre produces bieber, he only cares about the money, and then almost every rapper wanted to be like nwa, at first it was saying rise up n funk the police but it became all right-wing, hip-hop was always left-wing before nwa,