Shield Hero and MISOGYNY
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2023
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The Rising of the Shield Hero has created a lot of controversy, particularly due to the early storyline involving Myne (or Malty, you know I'm not typing her official name in a CZcams description) making the false accusations that caused the initial problems Naofumi had to face.
I took a look back at the things many commentators and reviewers found 'problematic' about this plotline and other elements of the series, and decided to talk about what I think about both the content of Shield Hero and those takes.
This is a defense of why the author chose to include these elements and why they work in the plot, but since I'm a chick I wouldn't be surprised if some people get angry at the title of the video without watching it, so the comments could get fun!
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Naofumi's misogyny gets cured by finding a woman who actually cares about him. Crazy stuff.
And now he is surrounded by top teir waifu's.
Wow I never knew that
Naofumi's misogyny is created by finding a woman that abused him. Crazy stuff too.
Too bad that will never happen IRL. Cause if she breathes,she's a thot.
Who knew? Feminists don't
Hating someone for a good reason doesn't make you a misogynist, expanding that to all women does.
he expanded it to everyone in the kingdom not just the women
@@GoblinsDemon the kingdom that mistreated, ostracised and some even tried to kill him
@@mys6886 that's my point it wasn't mysoginus it was just him not trusting anyone in the kingdom do to how he was treated which led him to his antihero stance and why he even decided to get a slave so he didn't need to worry about being betrayed, just happened the slave was a woman.
That’s pretty much what happened to Motoyastu.
After being abandoned by his (all female) party, and accused of sexual assault by Myne/Bitch, he has a mental breakdown and defaults to *all women* being bad (funny how a womanizer defaults to incel misogyny after facing thorough rejection from women he associated himself with [even before isekai-ing], and not seeing his own faults for how things turned out [placing his trust in the wrong people due to their gender alone]). His curse series (being the sin of Lust) then activates, where he starts to see all humanoid females (minus animals) as pigs; he even doesn’t understand women anymore, as their words just sound like pig squealing to him.
The only creature he develops an attraction for is Philo (is that beastiality on his end?🤔), and becomes one-sidedly obsessed with her (again, incel/stalker behavior).
Naofumi was teetering on that path, but he never blamed all women for what Bitch did to him, and was able to never go down the mentality thanks to his relationship with Raphtelia and other women he meets. Hell, similar to Motoyastu, his party is primarily female; be unlike Motoyastu, he didn’t pick them for sexual reasons (I think Naofumi maybe, currently, showing sign of being Aro; but knowing the novel he does develop feels for at least two girls).
Would be nice to find a women that doesn't perpetuate the traditional standards for you but none for me trope but that isn't going to happen because women can't be held to accountability.
I remember a lot of people getting angry that Myne was portrayed as a, well bitch because they viewed is as a defamatory look on woman but seemingly forgot all the other women in the story that are shown as assertive, nice, and confident.
As I will always say to those types, surprise, surprise women are human, humans can be real monsters in the same way they can be saints. Great men exist just like with great women. Terrible women exist just like with terrible men. Neither sex exist as paragons but simply as people.
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Get this man a medal
a large majority people should read this
A large supermajority of people don't like the mirror put up to them because they're just as evil as the villains they bemoan for being depicted as irredeemable.
Words of wisdom. You cannot judge one man or woman on the actions of another, each of us is unique. Of the others, despite being a loner, Ren seemed to think that Naofumi was not quite as bad as others said he was, and was willing to trust him to a point. Of course, the real gem in season 1 is B*tch's lies being publicly exposed for all to see. Her screaming when her lies were detected and she was shocked was just BEAUTIFUL. Payback's a b*tch, B*tch. And yet Naofumi didn't have the callousness to demand her execution. In spite of the crap he's taken, being labelled as a rapist, a slaver and a kidnapper, he's pushed all that negative stigma aside and stayed a good person. Not many can do that.
Good to see you back; whenever I hear the word "misogyny", I just get annoyed because it's thrown around so much it's just about lost all meaning.
What infuriates me about the feminist backlash is this idea of media influencing reality. The same people defended gta when "violent games" was the target for censorship, but apparantly seeing bad women will bring back the patriarchy?
Naofumi at the beginning "Paint me like a POS fine I'll be a POS"
One of the main reasons why Shield Hero took off so much back when s1 aired was due to misogyny accusation especially by the MetooMovement that tried to spin this as a misogynist show and it was made more relevant during the amber heard vs johnny depp fiasco as people were comparing nao to depp and Batch to Heard. So ironically the misogyny accusation is what helped to get it so much attention.
Nao and Johnny both suffered gaslighting and abusive relationships from career victim misandrists.
Some people just cant accept that evil doesn’t have a set gender. It’s probably because we have so many shows/movies where the villain HAS to have a reason or a sad backstory to justify their actions. So a character like Myne that’s evil because she’s simply a bad person is outrageous to them.
Evil has no gender or age, it can bloom anywhere and in anyone. Myne is literally the perfect example of a demon using the halo effect to get what they want and have their misdeeds swept under the rug.
It does have a species though, human.
The at the time "Tone Deaf" argument was in itself Tone Deaf as those who used it were shouting "believe all woman" during the peak insanity of the MeToo era failed to actually see that 90% of the MeToo accusations did ruin alot of innocent male lifes.
Edit: on the point of toxicity, Malty being as toxic as she is arrived in anime form at the time where even questioning if a woman was anything other than 100% truthful was seen as the most hateful of crimes.
As a guy who has been falsely accused of sxual harassment myself, I can't blame Naofumi for what he was thinking after the fact. When it happened to me, it really felt like the world turned on me and with nobody but my mother to be there for me (I was pretty young when that happened too). Even to this day, I have a hard time trusting new people in my life, and a lot of jokes at me can put me on edge.
It really angered me to hear people get mad over the fact Shield Hero portrayed this, as in essence, Naofumi's story is mine as well. Nobody deserves to get shafted like that.
I see not misogyny in Iwatani Naofumi. I see the reasonable response of a man to suffering the injustices of a matriarchal society. Let's not forget Melromarc is a matriarchal society where the word of a woman has more weight than a man's rights. A man is guilty until proven innocent when accused by a woman.
The only one with a hint of misogyny is Myne. But also misandry. Because she's a full blown misanthropic sociopath who detests everyone.
Yeah and Naofumi hates everyone for a long time.
As somebody who has been through that Hell of abuse by women, in my childhood, I truly can Understand Naofumi's reactions. When you suffer that level of pain, betrayal, again and again of that abuse, that hate from the opposite sex. you tend to develop that kind of personality I know I've been there. Sadly for me I never did find my raftaillia. But at least I don't have that level of hate but I most definitely have that level of mistrust and avoid like The plague the opposite sex especially when I am in a situation where I might be alone with them. A sentiment that has only been reinforced by all the recent events and the me 2 movement.
@@HighmageDerin I relate a bit to him because I was falsely accused of stealing a woman's purse back when I was in highschool. Fortunately the cops decided arresting me was pointless, but many people believed it was true even though there was no proof, for years.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Been in that situation too! Just because I found that purse in the boy's bathroom and turned it in I was suddenly suspected of being the actual thief. If because the purse's owner was actually in one of my classes!! If they didn't have direct proof but they suspected me of it. And that was enough to make me never ever turn in any lost item ever again! If I see something laying there I leave it lay and move my a** out of there as quickly as possible! And after graduating, And getting a job, I was accused of sexual harassment at A job I had for like 5 years, Luckily for me the other people around me knew my personal history ( The childhood abuse and the school experiences ) and knew that witch was full of it, and that saved my job!
When the shield hero anime first came out and the big controversy behind this blow happened I was one of those people that directly could correlate my life to that of this character because I knew this pain so well this truth of women. That even though there may be some good ones there are far far too many evil ones drowning out their voices leaving me to believe that that's all there is! Crazy evil witches who want nothing more than the destroyed men for the simple fact that they were born male. That has been my experience throughout most of my life and because of it I cannot get close to anyone of the opposite sex. There is a phobia of attempting to do so but I found my happiness in my video games in my anime and my dogs. I'll never have kids but at least I'll never be in jail for a crime I never committed Or bankrupt living on a trailer on the side of a river. Or driven to the point where I take that long walk off a short cliff......
@@HighmageDerin In my case I didn't even have a purse. Never even saw the accuser. Turns out she just hated the fact that I used to spend time alone in that street.
There's varrying degrees of misogyny and misandry all over the place in ALL cultures and societies. Some are obviously bad while others can be usefully necessary to teach real word differences men and women will go through.
You are mistaking those for sexism. Misogyny and misandry, just like misanthropy, implies hatred. The "mis" prefix to be precise refers to hatred in this context.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoInteresting you would say that considering the use of these terms in the real world are also misplaced as hatred when its generic and common sexism tropes.
@@wisdomandy9361 it's misused only by leftists and feminists. Everyone else does understand the difference.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoFeminism, hook-up culture, wokeism, it's academically embedded into our culture. You're crazy if you think moderates, centrists, and conservatives don't have a lot of this also within them without realizing it. Especially if you live in any major city where most people live.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoreally? I feel like certain alt right drones would use it often too. I wouldn't put my trust in anyone in any far leaning politics for they like to spout nonsense on the daily.
I always found the breaking down and building up of Naofumi to be interesting. Yes people could complain about how he acts but its not like his character is done growing. Also Queen Mirellia is definately a Monarach I'd Like to Fight for.
An argument I often get from people is that he should just be over it once Raphtalia helps him. I try telling them that its been like a Month or two since what happened and its going to take a lot longer for him to heal from that. They will just pull the whole 'it didnt have to be written that way', or will just ignore me. So many people I try and talk with just want a reason to continue to Hate the Show.
@@nobalkain624 Another argument is why didn't he try to be more of a good guy to show others he is good and explain the lies. But people turned on him for no reason on a dime not everyone would be so forgiving or wanting to show a good attitude after that. Its not like he is angsty for no reason just working on himself in a hard situation which is why I liked his talk with Fitoria.
@@shinkaiatsuya950 People also ignore that this was a claim made by the Princess. We are talking about a Feudal System where he has been condemned by the Crown AND the Church. Every Authority says he is Scum, and their Religion was already Teaching it (though that is not really explained until later).
People want to look at this through the types of Freedoms that most of us have when it comes to what we are allowed to Believe, but a System like that does not allow them such things.
When it comes to people in the west hating on anime in general. It can usually be narrowed down to very few points but it's typically that it doesn't conform to the current political narrative because Americans aren't solving their political problems.
There's an old saying that goes something like "the heart of every cynic is a disappointed optimist". I think this idea applies to Naofumi moreso than the idea that he hates women because they remind him of Myne. It's caution moreso than outright prejudice, it's just that he overcorrects from time to time. And while this story is a bit of an extreme example (with the woman in question being outright evil), I think this sort of thing is sorely lacking in western media.
People learn from stories, and a think the lack of this sort of moral in stories is part of the reason why modern men are so disillusioned. A lot of young men idolize women to the point that dealing with the real thing guarantees the very disappointment that leads cynicism. Portraying women's flaws from a male perspective isn't necessarily misogynistic, it's just a natural consequence of writing any story where the genders interact in a nuanced way.
Actually the story does a lot with that idea, though more with Motoyasu.
People also ignore that while in his head he may be thinking these horrible things, he never ONCE acts on them. He helps heal her, Comforts her with her Nightmares, and even is willing to Sacrifice HIMSELF to let her escape the Two Headed Dog when she refuses to fight. He is Hurt and Angry, but would never actually have done anything to hurt her. Even as Damaged as he is, he is still a Hero.
The real problem is that if this was something that was unthinkeable and had never happened, then they could have a case. However, this is something that occurs and we have documented cases out there. It shouldn't be barred from being represented in media and the people who are attacking the show for it should focus their energy on attacking people like the princess instead instead of throwing a curtain over these cases just like the real perpetrators used to do and still do to this date.
Also, if you take a victim of SA and the person feels repulsion for men after and projects it into other innocent men, no one will acuse them of misandry but say they need time to heal. If they go on acting on it forever with malice and prejudice, the it may be a problem but I doubt even then the people who criticized the show will pile up on the person like this. Truthfully, an accusation like this can be one of the worst things you do to someone because it can end their reputation, career, friends, even family ties, and it may lead to several mental problems as depressions and trust issues, even suicidal thoughts. There have been nore than one case to support this.
The problem is that people who want to take these accusations seriously, don't end up taking false accusations seriously at all. Even in this case, they blame the victim and try to silence this problem like it doesn't exist, just like the people they are against (the real perpetrators of such acts) did in the past. On the long run, this disregard for the truth behind a statement and these false accusations end up discrediting real accusations more than a piece of media using this as a plot point. People who falsely accused someone and were proved ro be lying should get the heat, because they are the real problem and the fact they are protected and cuddled and do not suffer the same repeecursions just embolden these horrible people.
Mothers Basment did a Roast that was more of a Bashing of this "Issue". I often get on and try to talk to people about how it works in the Story itself. More often then not they just want to Hate it for the reason you talked about and even use the same excuse of 'the Author didnt HAVE to write it that way'. I have had a good discussion with a few people, but yeah more often then not they just want an excuse to continue to Hate on it, and those of us that like it.
Ever since Anime went Mainstream there has been a growing Sect of people who just seem to want to HATE Anime, and those of us that enjoy it. Having been watching Anime since I was a Teen in the 90's I have experience this in a different way. Back then it was more because others saw them as "Cartoons", thus for Kids. I got no end of crap for it when someone found out about it. I only talked about it with a few Friends, because even most of them thought it was Stupid (or just all Hentai). This though is much worse. Before you just got laughed at and they moved on, but now they just Hound us for it. They refuse to move on and let us enjoy what we want. They just want anything they dont agree with to be Destroyed and for us to Apologize for it.
He wants anime more like western media. Sanitized and safe to like.
@@MaverickhunterXZero or all to be yaoi.. Dude never shuts up about yuri on ice being the greatest anime ever STILL.
@@MaverickhunterXZero I actually like Shield Hero for taking that risk and making Myne just a straight-up bitch for no other reason than she's just a bad person. Had this been made by people in the West she probably would've had some overly sad backstory to justify her attitude. And the show would've done its best to paint her as a misunderstood character.
I always appreciate anime for showing that evil isn't tied to just one gender. And that there are people out there that are just horrible simply cause they can be.
@@senatorarmstrong4662 You rarely see a character that is just a spoiled brat. It is r
rather refreshing.
@@snintendog his Shield Hero video from season 2 confused me, because he said he hadn't read the novels but then made a lot of points about the other 3 heroes that were exactly the same as in my video about them.... and you wouldn't have known those things without reading the novels or watching my video, which came out long before his and is still one of the most popular on my channel... makes me think I maybe got used for research by MB 😆
ahhh the misogyny, you can find it in the strangest of places...
one time my mom said she hated women!
confused i asked why, it was because a female mcdonalds employee messed her order.
People throw around terms like misogyny and genocide so regularly nowadays that they have lost all meaning. Conflating fiction with reality has always been absurd to me. It takes a peculiar type of narcissism to think all cultures in the real world or fiction would think like the modern western world.
But it’s truly sad that another country understand that evil doesn’t have a set gender.
this non-troversy is the only reason i even started with Shield hero
True Misogyny does exist but nowadays its just an excuse for some woman to do bad behavior
My point here was that an individual coming to hate women because of an antagonist's actions, then coming back from that, is really not a misogynist storyline, even if the character himself is one during that part of the arc. I think people don't like to see these things as stories or journeys at all, like everything that could be a challenge or flaw has to be sanitized.
no their are some men out their that do wholheartly hate women or belive women should be second class citizens. it usually either neb who grew up is certain types of toxic religouse house holds or men who have had experinces with incredidly abusive women. the difference between how it works in the sheild hero and the real world is that their is literaly no way for a human being to guarentee they can trust another in the real world.
@NatalieXHunter I find that "Normies" just want/expect Character Arcs to be finished in a Season. They are upset that Characters like Naofumi and Rudy are written like REAL PEOPLE who dont just change all at once.
He's not a misogynist he just hates People that get in his way especially people that betrayed him
Glad to still have you making videos queen, you are my main conversation on anime
lol Malty got off the hook pretty easy, she would've deserved a lot more punishment for what she tried to do over the whole first season. she actually tried to kill Naofumi and her own sister at many occasions, wich should be punished by death as it was planned to be. Naofumi's character developement was the only reason she survived and it was necessary for the story. Leftist lunatics will simply not watch something but judge from a glance, as with everything.
The fact that Myne (Malty is the Second Princes) is even allowed to continue to Adventure it the most Unrealistic thing going forward to me. How the Queen just lets her continue to cause so much Damage going forward because of this just makes me put her Reasoning into question going forward. I understand she needs to continue to do so for what is to happen to the other Heroes going forward, but still I wish we could be given a good reason as to why she is allowed to Continue to run free (even after trying to Poison them with the Pie). So much could have been Avoided if she had been put under House Arrests at lest.
Think in the novels Naofumi admitted the Queen would never have actually killed her daughter or bigot husband and just asking he'd've used all the leeway she was giving him turning an ally to enemy
@@Ladywizard Well it didn't play out in the anime, so we don't really know what would've happened. But Mirelia was about to either force Naofumi/the crowd to forgive them both by threatening to end herself or offer her own life up to trade for theirs(wich the anime/she stated iirc but absolutely made no sense in the context)
But you can actually see Naofumi being shocked out of his socks when the queen tells him about the execution and we can only imagine what might have gone through his head in that moment. At least we who haven't read the manga, dunno if they worked that out there... I'm sure Naofumi never wanted them dead in the first place anyways, keeping in mind that he had seen how rough and different that world is, having come clear that it isn't a game but more brutal than the "real world" he came from, wanting to make an actual change, as the shield hero is supposed to.
i think the problem with it was that naofumi's initial arc put a spotlight on the situation for men who have legitemate reasons to be absolutely hateful of women and the society that enables them to destroy people's lives for their sick and twisted self satisfaction.
we have lived through a good few years where the mainstream narrative was that abuse and horrendous mental anguish was only inflicted by men on women whole degrading and denying basic human decency to the men who did undergo completely social destruction at the hands of hateful women
Sometimes it’s not even cause their hateful sometimes it’s cause they don’t wanna face the consequences of their actions like the women that accused a men and ruined his football career before it could even start why you ask? Cause she didn’t want the guy she liked to find out. Yup she ruined a man’s life cause she didn’t want her crush to find out.
Yeah, but, as with the story, Naofumi at first mistrusts and hates all women, but he learns quickly to instead only hate the actual betrayer, and to view people as individuals. That's probably the same progression of thinking most people go on after being very badly harmed by someone else. I had an abusive ex (not the recent one I've talked about in videos, he is a good person, but the one before him). He was American. For a long time I was kinda prejudiced against American men because of that. But, a lot of my friends are American men. So over time I let go of that 'I will never trust an American man again' thing. But it is a natural reaction to take some traits of the person who traumatised you and be mistrusting of any unrelated person who also has them. The author got this. First Naofumi hates women because of Myne, but then he learns to trust them again. Then, he hates royalty, because of Myne, but then he learns to treat them as individuals too. It's a pretty realistic character arc.
Nice to see you again nat i hope my Message to you and many of your fans did not fail you keep them coming
You too :)
Glad to see you back and making content. Thanks for another banger!
Generally, it really is one of the worst thing you could do to someone. Maybe it depends on the social circles you're in, but I've personally been the witness to alleged incidences of abuse that that did not take place or happen, and when those allegations get out, people withdraw from you, treat you with an air of caution or suspicion, especially in a official setting. The claims don't necessarily have to bear any weight. The accusation alone is corrosive enough.
From what I've seen online, truth isn't even necessarily a part of the equation. People will still view a person as a perpetrator of ill deeds even when accusations laid upon them have been proven false.
I remember I was packing my things for to get to the school dorms in Austin and my dad sat me down and said “son as much as I wish we lived in a perfect world were I don’t have to give you this talk this kinda stuff happens too often on college campuses so I’m hear to tell you BE CAREFUL cause if your not people will take advantage of you and put you in a bad situation. I know me and your mother raised you to be respectful and kind to women but I want you to be carful around them too cause with one sentence they can tear apart your whole life and they don’t even need a reason to do so. What I’m saying is evil can exist anywhere no matter what’s between your legs. But don’t go thinking everyone’s like that there’s plenty of kindness out there just be carful.
My dad is usually a very fun guy that will joke and laugh at anything but throughout that conversation his face was completely serious so I knew I needed to take what he said seriously.
I do agree it's one of the worst things you can do to someone, my point was more that in the setting, Myne knew she wouldn't be challenged at all, whereas in the real world at least sometimes a falsely accused man can win in court and the woman accusing someone, falsely or correctly, is questioned about it (though providing proof of guilt or innocence in these kinds of crimes is notoriously difficult). Myne knew she'd be believed, even if her lie wasn't very good.
Naofumi isn't even that misogynistic? He seems to me to be like a normal dude at the start more or less. He doesn't even seem that focused on women, he's not really sexualizing them, or any of that. He is kind of cold to everyone, but he's not like a lot of protagonists in or things like that. He doesn't actively try to force himself on Myne or anything either like you said, which is the kind of thing we have to say because it does happen in media (just not in this show). It's like someone watched another show and thought it was this one or didn't even watch this show at all.
And I wouldn't even call the plot tonedeaf because, it feels like the author knew what they were doing when they made the whole world matriarchal. The same way that we can't ignore the setting of other things when we think about the events in those pieces of media we can't just do the same here.
Naofumi's reaction isn't any different than most victims of false accusations. We've seen many stories of guys having trust issues and being wary of everyone. Also, the kingdom's reaction was basically how society reacts when it comes to this stuff. Naofumi was blindsided by her sudden betrayal and everyone called him a monster and dragged his name in the mud despite Myne not showing any proof. Their mere accusation alone was enough to completely shatter Naofumi's reputation(even though he didn’t have much of one yet) it’s said to say but when it comes to false accusations your basically guilty till proven innocent and even then your still guilty and I applaud shield hero for showing that. Lord know we ain’t getting that in the west.
And you’d right his anger wasn’t just toward Myne or women he hated the king the kingdom and the heroes.
Melromarc is matriarchal but Faubrey is patriarchal and I'm pretty sure Siltvelt is as well. Zeltnoble and Shieldfreeden I'm not sure of. So it's only that country.
How can there be misogny when sex and gender dosnt exist?
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Well played. There can be no mysoginy in a world where gender is a social construct.
Why does wealth inequilty exist if money is just a social construct? Just because something is a social construct, doesn't mean it can't have real world effects.
I personally think gender has something to do with you neurology, and isn't socially constructed, gender roles are social contracts though.
I feel like this is just a random and pointless jab at trans people even though the discussion was nothing about them? God, just let us live
@@Mistor_Victor this conversation had zero to do with trans people but you had to make it about that. No one did that but you.
@Mistor_Victor My GOD, not everything is about your Identity, this was a JOKE. The whole point of this Joke was to point fun at how People Like you make everything about YOU and your Identity. If you want to just live, then do it. No one is trying to stop you from doing so.
And yes, things Created within a Society are a "Social Construct". So what? People gather together, create Communities, and form Societal Norms that allow them to Function. Thats how its always been, and will be.
If you honestly think something is Wrong and want it to Change you need to come up with something Better to replace it. You cant just tell everyone they are "Wrong" and to 'Do Better', you need a Plan. Then you need to convince the Majority to change over to that new Ideal.
Even if you can do that it will take time. Even then you will likely not live long enough to see those Changes. Just look back at all those who have done so, like MLK, and you will see they never got to live to see the Changes they fought for.
Just Ranting at people Online that Words Hurt your Feelings isnt going to do anything. In fact trying to Force People by Censoring them can have the Opposite Effect. People dont like being told they are not allowed to Say or Do things just because of YOUR Emotions.
I'm so happy that you are an anime reviewer. Very many Anime reviewer have no background in anything, other than watching anime. Your writing background help to explain a lot about that is going thought those who write these anime head. Many people don't understand character arcs, set-up, build-up, pay-off, or how any of that effects the way the story is told to us.
It why I can't wait for you next video, and almost have stopped listening to other anime reviewer. They don't seem to understand anything about writing, or any other world then the one they live in.
This video is SOOOOOOO appropriate for people keeping up with season 3. Myne will have some interesting interactions with all three of the side characters heroes and we need to understand that Myne is the main antagonist of this show. This is not mysoginy, it’s the way the story is going to be told and she is going to hurt men and women alike.
While in the web novel she was the main antagonist, the light novels look to be going in a different direction where she is still a villain but there are bigger ones behind her.
When you been wrong in the past its hard to trust someone
I think it's actually important to do stories like this, it teaches you that one woman being bad doesn't mean all of them are. Sexism is when you can't see the individual past their sex. This is also why I don't consider him a misogynist, even at his worst. He doesn't hate women, he hates this world he was thrown in, he rejects it so profoundly that he can't even taste the food. It's like none of it is real for him, not even the people. But despite what he thinks to himself, he doesn't put it to the test, he doesn't hurt her and he doesn't enjoy seeing her suffer, he doesn't take his frustrations out on this kid just because she reminds him of the woman who destroyed his life. Despite everything, he still sees Raphtalia as an individual.
I never really saw it as misogyny with Naofumi. He clearly hated everyone equally because of how eager they were to crap on him for being the shield hero. His trust issues was something he was paranoid for everyone, and he only triple downed on it with Melty because of what her sister did to him.
In fact, I remember one of the first women he actually talked to after getting his slaves, a witch he indirectly helped, was one he actually led his gaurd down for since she was being nice to him, and was the first person he had said "thank you" to in a while, which surprised even him.
I never felt that Naofumi gained a hatred women. It aways felt like he gained a hatred for humanity, with most of season 1 being the story of his healing process.
and the witch gave him better foundational knowledge instead of the shortcut the other three took
@10:00 Naofumi was summoned into a trap meant to induce the other Cardinal Heroes into killing the Shield Hero. Given the fact that a known-innocent Naofumi is still detestable to a certain portion of our world's population, it certainly seems like an effective tactic to use.
Ironically, here in America, women ruin men's lives with false accusations *all the time* ; it's to the point where men won't even give a woman life saving CPR out of fear that she'll use the fact that they bared her chest (which they *have* to for it to work), as a basis to repay him for literally *saving her life* , by falsely accusing him of raping her; just like Mynne falsely accused Naofumi of raping her in the anime. And that's because not only *have* they thrown that false accusation at the man, but the new policy in this country is that the women *must* be believed on the basis of their being women, and so oftentimes men don't even get a *chance* to prove their innocence in court, and end up getting sentenced for a crime they *didn't* commit while the *actual* criminal, the lying woman, actually gets *rewarded* for her crime; often with the *mans money* . That's the whole reason for passport Bros. being a thing; American men literally *have* to fly to a completely different *country, just* to find women who'll treat them like the fellow human beings they *are* .
Don't take this the wrong way, I don't hate women as a whole *at all* ; I *specifically* hate the women who do shit like that to men here in America; those women specifically are literally *evil* , and I think we *all* can agree we hate evil people *regardless* of their sex!
I believe that in these cases nobody should be believed till all the facts and evidence come out not men not women not children cause despite what society believes people lie.
@@senatorarmstrong4662 *exactly* !
Ngl whomever makes these laws just hates men and women being able to form healthy romantic and sexual relationships
I get what you're trying to say, but you have made a couple of factual errors. Firstly you don't need to bare skin to do CPR (you do for defibrillation though).
Also, baring someone's chest against their will would never be charged for rape, rather sexual assault. I also highly doubt there has ever been a case in court where someone giving defibrillation was accused of sexual assault.
Here in the UK the police and the CPS have to be satisfied that there is enough evidence of a crime and that it is in the public interest to bring charges. Clearly a case where someone had been giving defibrillation would fail on both counts.
Secondly, if a person is charged with a crime, it must go to court if they plead not guilty. It is legally impossible to skip it.
Thirdly, lying isn't actually a crime. Perjury, perverting the course of justice or wasting police time are however (in the UK).
If someone lies about sexual assault, but it is never investigated, then that would be a matter for the civil courts under laws for defamation.
If a false accusation is made which is investigated by the police or even goes to court, then this is indeed a crime.
Applying UK laws, as Naofumi was technically never investigated, Myne actually didn't commit a criminal offence (Of course, stealing from Naofumi, her trying to kill him and the rest of the party, conspiring to kill the bow and sword hero and their parties, as well as the false accusation of kidnapping obviously are crimes).
Although, dragging Naofumi in front of the king after the allegation could be seen as an investigation of sorts. So maybe you could see it as perverting the course of justice and wasting police time. I think a similar offence in the US is Obstruction of Justice.
@@aaronfaunch782 the situation in the US is very *different* now; the policy is now that all women should just be believed on the basis of their being women; it started with a guy a woman accused of raping him after they had consensual sex *two years* prior getting thrown out of the college without *any* trial, and commiting *suicide* because of it, and it's only gotten *worse* since!
I would say, at this day and age, that if people are still mad about Shield Hero painting the MeToo movment as bad then i can say it can be used the other way, and that Naofumi is actually a BEST CASE SCENARIO, where everyone sees the wrong publicly, he has his name cleared and gets the trust and minds of the people, where even now, our public best case scenario by far has been Johnny Depp, who had to claw his way back to the public eye, he still hasn't had any apologies from the companies and jobs that ostracized him and His accuser just, ran off. Hell people like Dan Harmon, who was also accused and was proven not guilty, lost everything, and no one has asked him back to his old positions, media once again silenced most of the verdict and his accusor, got off with little to no consequence. That is how it is for men now, hell, i don't remember the name but a baseball player was actively targeted by a woman who made accusations against him to "get that bag", and had to go to japan yo even play again, the woman, barely punished for defamation and false accusations, and the MLB, not a word.
i’m glad to see you doing shield hero videos again. i love when you cover anything shield hero related.
Has the LN version reached an End?
or is it still being made?
I saw vol 22 was out but not sure exactly how many vol the WN was to have a clue about how much story is left...
Because this vid has me wanting to say things about how the WN ended that MIGHT still apply to the LN; so I try not to mention it until I can be sure that it won't come up.
You know when season 1 came out I was specifically looking around to find opinions on this topic and there just wasn't much on them. I wanted to hear someone's opinion who knew about the story beyond what was currently in the anime (specifically a woman's as a guy) because it seemed like it was taking a nuanced approach to the topic but I'd also heard about the harem stuff later and was like "this seems good but if this is all just an excuse to keep these tropes going for typical isekai reasons I don't want to keep going beyond this season."
Thought the beginning could go either way because on the one hand, it's a kind of role reversal when talking about misogyny but on the other hand if Naofumi's mentality were to go on until both becoming a "god" with a harem and a lot of other common tropes it would be very problematic. I think when I was trying to look up info on the later story all I could find was general plot points and how things ended in the webnovel so I just left it at the time. Now that I've seen this and have some more details on the later part of how this goes down I think I'll try to come back to it when I have time.
9:30 At least the Filolial Queen would do partial revenge for Naofumi after that by taking out the other 3 hero candidates afterwards.
*Aaahh, balance!* ⚖️⚖️⚖️
4:10 putting your avatar, and her side-by-side makes the similarities very apparent lol 😂
Can you give a link yo your second Channel ? (Never mind, found it)
Always a good day when I come back from work and see a Natalie's new video poping up on the feed
It's nice to see you putting out videos again.
@5:30 In the story, Naofumi is told what would happen to a NORMAL person accused of what he was accused of. We can infer that a normal person accused of similar crimes by another normal person would receive harsh punishment. However, Naofumi is a hero, which complicates matters. For starters, directly punishing a hero is politically problematic because all heroes' cooperation is required to save the world. Essentially no harsh punishment is possible against any Cardinal Hero unless ALL of them are killed and resummoned. Given the resources countries put into strengthening heroes, them not being punished in a way that prevents them from achieving their goals is important.
Myne's accusation is part of a trap designed to induce the other 3 Cardinal Heroes into killing the Shield Hero. Given our real world's hateful reaction to a known-innocent Naofumi, it's obvious such a tactic is effective given the goal.
its good to see you doing ok and i hope things continue to going well for you, miss your videos
for this video i agree with you it was shown the psychological damage done to him and how much torment he going through all of season 1. and for as Myne yeah it was shown better in novels her personality but i got the message loud and clear in the anime too, her own sister was even scared of her so much she was shaking at just the thought of being alone with her. and there are times it shown yes she abused her power and the times when it came to the MC she did all she could to hurt him and more. her own mother called her a pathetically lier and in the trial it shown it was just all for her own greed of power even to the point of begging truthfully for her life when it was on the line think that is overlooked of how much she value herself above everything else even if it means doing what she hate to live.
Oooooh! Spicy!
Glad to see you back. You'll have a million subs one day and I'm happy to be one of them.
I don't see link to new channel
So happy you're back!
The origin of the controversy comes from sites like Kotaku, IGN, Slate, and other tabloid type media that make money from people clicking the articles they write. Most of the divisive stuff we see online comes from these grifters trying to make easy money by preying on the most basic primal parts of the human mind. The need to see suffering and the need to appear righteous.
The thing that the MeToo movement made clear is the idea that women aren't believed when they're r-ped was a near-total fabrication made by other women and bolstered by hollywood. MeToo brought to light a lot of high-profile ra-e cases that ended up being fraudulent but the woman was always believed and even after being proven false the man who is accused still has his life completely destroyed (Mattress girl, Dukes Lacrosse team, Johnny depp/Amber Heard, Christina Blaisly Ford, etc). Even today women are still largely given the benefit with the most hearsay accusations.
MeToo did the opposite of what it was intended and brought to light how many r-pe accusations are false and pushed by women who were bitter or scorned and angry at a man and wanted to do the maximum amount of damage. It's gotten to the point that myself and others will never give the benefit of the doubt to women if the accusation is over a month old. If you want justice for yourself you need a police report and doctor paperwork *that week*.
Natalie, your nuanced takes on "problematic" subject material is why I started watching your channel in the first place. I enjoy the fantasy genre as a whole, and feel it would be worse without the depictions of Differing Values and Mores from medieval settings. Sanitizing history, and by extension pseudohistorical fantasy settings, does nobody any favors. I see great value in stories where someone considered disgusting by modern standards is able to redeem themselves and grow out of their perversion. By whining about such stories people are encouraging that sort of person IRL to not bother trying to get better, they'll always be tainted in people's eyes for their dumbarse past.
I love your video! I'm just so sad that many people are quick to label something without really diving deep into it. But that's just a philosophy that's lost to time, it seems, as it keeps happening over and over!!😂
Just subscribe to channel yesterday love it so far keep up the hard work
Glad everyone in the comments are defending Naofumi and thus show, it's quickly become one of my favorites and naofumi has got to be one of the best anime characters I've seen
The video is defending Naofumi and the show - don't be fooled by the title!
Don't worry, your video is great and i agree with you, it's concise and meaningful and you don't just pander, well done, truly
Hey Natalie, I know this is unrealted to this video but I was wondering if you could make a video with your thoughts on whether or not the AOT anime adaptation "Saved" the ending. I've seen so many peoe say this, personally I don't think it changed much. I'm happy that people are enjoying the ending, but I just don't understand why people think it's so different and so much better than the manga, when it's clearly... not? I remember when you posted your News report video when the manga ended 2 years ago and I commented asking for your take on an anime original ending and you made the video and you were right about it not happening.
I remember as Season 1 was airing, how some of my thoughts were about how differently I would have reacted had I been in Naofumi's place.
Perhaps that was part of why it was written the way it was... to cause people to THINK, and consider how similar or different they would react in a situation like that.
I kinda grew up in a time between when skin color was the criteria for who was usually believed without question, and today's version where it's gender.
If things keep going the way they are, it won't be long and skin color or gender won't matter, it'll be one's "Social Score" that determines believability.
I'm glad you're feeling better Natalie.
Just keep smiling, and let the rest of the world wonder what you're up to.
me 2 was the WORST thing to happen for victims! FAR FAR to many LIERS use it to bleeding hurt someone just because she can
I am glad classic Natalie is back.
Considering the absolute character assassination caused by false rape accusations, even after proven innocent, it is one of the worse thing that can happen to a man.
How's your channel? Hope you got over the Christmas drama from a year or two ago. Your vids are always well put together. Wish you the best.
Welcome Back Nat! Glad to see you uploading regardless of the videos subject!
I am a simple man. I see Shield Hero, I click Shield Hero.
I never understand why people can't just look at a work at face value. Why do we always have to be sure that the "timing" is wrong with overall current events. Can't we just enjoy a work for what it is? Not when it is? To me the two details are totally unrelated. Shield hero has nothing to do with metoo.
While i agree with the conclusion, i think its also true that the framing and themes presented in the anime/LN does appeal to incels and sexist men. That doesn't mean the story itself is sexist of course. Its like how a free speech absolutist might appeal to racists who want to say a slur, even if the absolutist may be intending to ensure minority groups can speak freely. It doesn't necessarily mean anything about the story or author but it can indicate that use of those themes and elements weren't clear or that there is an issue with execution. I think that's where there is room for discussion.
Besides the framing of slavery as potentially helpful and good for individuals seems like the most glaring criticism. Also the easier rage bait is the Spear Hero with his "fondness" for girls
Great work.
Thank you! Cheers!
the rise of trust issues... poor man still is not completely over all of it
7:00 What??!?!?!? Lying about rape, is indeed the worst thing you can do to a man, and it's incredibly harmful to rape victims as well. The are very few things in this world as bad as lying about rape. Earlier you mentioned rape victims not coming forward because nobody would believe them. However the reason people might not believe them is that one can lie about it, you need evidence and it's hard to get for this sort of thing. So what we should just believe everyone who claims rape? Sure, it's one idea, but then people can use that for evil. Ideally false rape accusations would be taken extremely seriously and if proven would come with harsh consequences. Similarly to how we want to harshly punish rapists.
This is not incel stuff.
It is a bad thing to do to a man, but not the worst in most cases (I mean, compared with say, murdering him, and remember we're talking about fiction where anything is possible). It can ruin lives and is genuinely awful, but it doesn't take much imagination to think of things that are even worse that a fictional villain in a fantasy setting could do.
Yayyy! NATALIE is back. ❤
10:16 if she forced him and then falsely accused him.. That'd be even more evil. Don't have to go full on murder to imagine a worse act of evil
Unfortunately some people need more convincing cause when it comes to false accusations they hear that and go ahhh the guy will get over it all she did was tell a little lie.
Well, she is full on evil. That's her role in the story. But given the way things were before she accused him, he actually wanted her, though he didn't act on it, and so her forcing him to have sex wouldn't really have worked in the plot. Plus, she didn't need to. Irl an evil woman might do that to get 'evidence' but Myne knew she'd be believed, even in a world where magic can be used to force someone to tell the truth. It was an abuse of power.
Such a great break down of the series & how people view sexism aimed towards women when it's actually blindly aimed at men in certain situations like in the examples you mentioned in Shield Hero
Woah! Two of my favorite things in one video!
LOL, Shield Hero and Misogyny? Well, fair enough I guess!
@@NatalieXHunter :^)
on a side note, while I do agree with everything in this video I would like to point out that his lack of compassion, romance, and possible loving is not without reason due to a hidden factor that I believe to be. This being my belief and understanding of Naofumi because of what I read so far in the novels.
With the upcoming 7th episode of Season 3, I am wondering how many people will understand as to why Naofumi himself has been very passive, turns the other cheek, or becomes inflamed with emotion(s) when encountering or being presented with the many interactions with people at his emotional level.
Also just a suggestion could you link in the description some of the videos you reference and talk about that you've already done? :> much love thank you
I don't have too much to add as I agree with basically word. The one thing I'd like to highlight is that paradoxical feminist argument that comes up whenever a female character is shown to be a truly repulsive human being. If women can do everything that a man can do, then surely they can be just as evil, right? Only that gets complained about then? Which is it? As you said, I'm of the opinion that it's more misogynist to never show female characters as flawed, even evil.
Especially in an anime that otherwise has so many great female characters, and not even in an anime harem sense.
I remember the beginning of the show and there wasnt anything misogynistic about what Naofumi did nor said😅. Hes actually pretty great and how he responds to it isnt misogynistic, its realistic. Nobody is going to treat the person who falsely accuses them of things with respect, and its not as if Naofumi belittles all women cause of Myne, he just hates her and the people who directly cause him harm of varying kinds and was mistrusting of people because of how Myne got close to him and betrayed him, thats not a woman thing its an issue with people in general he develops as evident by the series. But I really didnt get people hating on the show because *LE GASP* a terrible woman LIED about R*PE. Well goodness me, you NEVER have women like that in REAL LIFE😮💨
He was not a misogynist, he was a misantrope.
Yay glad your back and hope your doing better.
I will always love more mature and dark writing in media and literature as long as it is seen by the world as the messed up thing that it is and not glorified. And that is 100% how shield hero shows it.
Amazing Analysis, thank you for this video
After having an entire county despise him from the beginning even before he has even been accused by Myne, I can not blame Naofume for becoming distant and very distrusting of not only women, but everyone in the country if not world.
He straight up threatens people just to do business with him just so he can get a few Health potions and other supplies- and even through it all, he still has a good heart and helps people albeit in a roundabout way to make it them helping him as if to keep up the Facade of the Shield Devil.
Malty is the quintessential self-absorbed spoiled brat that ironically, a lot of modern western female characters could be written just like her and portraited as the heroes. Which is why a lot in the west had a problem with her.
Honestly if the west had it their way malty would have some overly sad backstory that would justify her attitude and the show would bend over backwards to paint her as a misunderstood character. Or found someway to point the finger at Naofumi. Cause in this day and age female characters can’t just be terrible people they have to have a good reason for their actions.
And I’m not even joking.
@senatorarmstrong4662 They do that to deflect consequences from certain characters, but then say Naofume's attitude is inexcusable and he deserved what how he was treated.
@@MaverickhunterXZero and that’s wild to me nobody deserves to go through what he did cause of some spoiled brat. The only bad thing this guy did was trust myne and for that his life in the kingdom was ruined. I also saw those same people excusing mynes actions cause her father didn’t raise her right and to that I say yes that had a hand in her being the way she is but at some point you have to start taking responsibility for your own actions she’s actively choosing to do those terrible acts so if your gonna call out naofumi for buying a slave(even though it was myne that pushed him into a situation where he needed to) at least call out myne as-well.
@senatorarmstrong4662 it always felt like projection. Like when they get mad, an abusive female character isn't redeemed.
They live in perpetual Sin of being male, so Naofume should be guilty because they are guilty. In some cases, very guilty.
He doesn't hate women. He just hates Myne. Not a Misogynist.
He hates SImp and Trash 1+2 as well. Remember Myne is now Slut and Malty, Bitch. the name changes are legal and binding.
Also the king the kingdom the church and the three heroes.
In the LNs it's clear that he does hate women specifically for a short time, which I talked about in the video. I don't think that's a bad thing to have in the story or unrealistic as a psychological reaction to what happened to him, that was the point of the video. But the author did intentionally have him experience an irrational hatred of women, specifically, so that means they put misogyny in the plot rather than misanthropy. I was defending it and saying it worked (the story, not misogyny irl), I just wanted to talk about why it worked and why so many people who wrote hate pieces about it weren't getting the point.
You are correct. I didn't make that far into the video when you brought that up.@@NatalieXHunter
isnt the author a woman or am i mistaken?
Nobody knows the gender of the original author. A lot of people think it was confirmed as a woman because the mangaka that does the manga adaptation is a woman, but when it comes to the author that wrote the WN and LNs, they have never revealed it. Personally I think it's a man, just because of some details, but it isn't known.
@@NatalieXHunter oh ok thx for correcting me
the series did give me a very good reason to dislike Malty from the getgo as it did felt a bit odd for her to easily want to work with the Shield Hero, but if it wasn't for her, then well i wouldn't get to experience a different type of story of someone going through their trauma early on and having a cute girl assist him along the way, even if she was a slave. (after I found out that being taken advantage of by someone, I understood even further on the actions that Naofumi took early on, I'm luckily fine now)
Glad your ok, while I have experienced it myself I did have a friend who was almost a victim had the women not been stupid his life probably would’ve been over. And he applauded the anime for depicting what false accusation victims go through even if it’s got magic and animal girls. He said he related to Naofumis anger and frustration of being hated and treated poorly for something he didn’t do. And like Naofumi it was the kindness of others that kept him goin.
Heavy this nice ya making a new video about this anime
Thank for sharing this with this i hope goes well your next projects
I feel like the moral panic for episode 1 unintentionally proved its point. How do critics react to the idea that maybe taking accusations at face value is a bad idea? By quoting out of context statistics for how low the number of cases *declared to be* false accusations.
You know, because Japan's legal system being "stop wasting everyone's time and accept you're guilty" totally results in all those guilty veridicts being 100% accurate. And I'm sure a case like Johnny Depp being threatened to lose his job if he fired back will never ever happen again.
The misogyny leaving the shield hero's body after he feels the catharsis of tying dynamite to a little raccoon girl and turning her into red mist:
CZcams has gotten a lot stricter with what content can be posted and what words can be said, but I think it's OK if you say "harassment" or "assault."😅
Sure, but harassment or assault weren't exactly what she accused him of.... it's not like she said he cat called her or pinched her ass...
From the way how i see it Naofumi does not hate women all he's doing is being cautious because a stranger is still a stranger including royalty and everyone else as well not only that there's such a thing called Boundaries and how some people want to be approached or touched and if you think about it Naofumi did lighten up throughout the manga and in the anime butt if there is one thing I'm right about the wolf in sheep's clothing at is the worst kind of trickery that anyone can do to anybody and during that whole thing in that episode of the trial back in season 1 and in the manga of the trial the queen was naive to let the king and the princess do whatever they want even though they're on strict supervision she should have sent into both of them in prison for life for their unforgivable actions putting the world at risk and turning half of the country against a complete stranger just for being the shield hero but the real criminals at fault i think are the queen Shadows they watched the whole thing took place from the beginning and they never intervene to remind the hero's church or even the king or the princess that just because the queen is not around doesn't mean they won't hesitate to take action they weren't even trying to Bluff their way into scaring them over it and if you think about it is their incompetence to disobey orders is kinda know what makes the Shadows a liability there are two committed to only spectating and Reporting back to the queen so clearly if you all think about it it's like the queen herself was not cautious enough to do better personally i think the queen is naive and it has what made everything that's happened to the main character to be her fault as well what do all of you think?
Men loved this show because it hilighted somthing society doesnt care about or cares to bring up. Men who have gone through the same kind of pain and well... Never got justice for it. I like how it was handled because the entire point of Naofumi is letting go of anger in order to move on so that he can grow as a hero. Everything he went through mentally is what actually happens when a guy is falsly accused. I just hated that people acted like women cant be perpetrators and men cant be victimized. As someone who thankfully got justice for a false accusation everything he felt hit hard for me. You genuinely grow to hate women and its hard to come back from. I thankfully found a woman who helped me through this but many men dont. I just want people to know that false accusations do happen. Thankfully the show also highlights the importance of not dwelling in that dark mindset because it will eventually destroy the good in us.
Done with subcribing ... also good video Nat. Hope you still get better ...
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Yes, I never understood why people reacted that way they tried to attack the people who actually confront the attackers, but this Hass to do nothing with that anymore with the people who lie and make up a fantasy attacks in the head because the evil humans now the people who tried to make a point that didn’t exist if he actually would’ve done it and receive no consequences because of his status as a male or be a hero, then those people would’ve had a point, but that’s not what happened at all which is why I believe more smarter humans don’t have a brain
On the flipside of everyone refusing to give it a chance due to biased takes about “misogyny ”; there were many from the other side of the political spectrum who praised it out of spite only to end up dropping it as soon as there was hints of story directions outside of revenge. Often described as “boring merchant shit”.
I for one always liked it for what it is and have long been excited for upcoming development for the other heroes. Though I'm sticking with the manga adaptation by this point due to the anime skimming past important character moments from S1 finale onward.
As a victim of false allegations(criminalization when like dog I got shoved and we bumped shoulders in the hallway yes it’s been 10 years but fuck trying to ruin my life over a crowded hallway her dad was also the SA prevention officer at a nearby college so it got bad fast, I was the new kid at the school too it was basically as close to the setup as realistically possible so I took all the stupid drama about it personally) I mass reported mothers basement when he had that shitbag take about the topic.
Evil itself is vague. It has no "fixed" gender or motive, but we do recognize it as an obstacle to overcome.
Hey, hey, hey! How dare you have a nuanced opinion about this! I came here for The Slander of the Shield Hero, dammit!
It was a great video. ☺️
finally shield hero video
I mean any man dealing with the kinds of Sssniperwolf or Illuminaughty would understand the shield hero, and I wouldn't blame them for having fleeting thoughts of anger and distrust.