Mycenaean DNA History
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- Journey into the captivating realm of Mycenaean civilization, where we unravel the intricate threads of their genetic heritage.
Data Source: Lazaridis, I., Mittnik, A., Patterson, N. et al. Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans. Nature 548, 214-218 (2017). doi.org/10.103...
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Thank you very much for your work! 😊
Loved this! My mom's Southern Italian by ancestry American. I did my dna 4 times. My maternal grandmother(D'Ambra) was from North Central Sicily. I like to imagine Himera! My maternal grandfather (Giordano) grandparents on both sides supposed to have come from the Campania region of Italy or Naples Region. Most of the results had for me 12 percent Greek! I liked that. I suppose my mom has about almost a quarter! My grandparents must of had that too. Possibly my grandmother more. I know the average Sicilian has about 37 percent Greek or Southeaster Mediterranean dna. Naples had that dna as well. I know I had a bit of Northern Italian in all the results! Sometimes overlapping with Southeastern French. I only had 1.2 on average Arab DNA or MENA. I suppose my mom has 2 percent. My grandmother might have had up to 4 percent like the average North Central Sicily while the Southern coast of Sicily has up to 6 to 7 percent. My mom looks Mediterranean Dark Hair. She is elderly now with almost no gray! Amazing. I would say a pale creamy olive complexion. She was tall 5 feet 8 when she was young. Brown mixed with green. Unusual, on the ring of her eyes a faint blue color. I love the connection to Italy and Greece! Been to Italy and Greece many times and lived in Italy for 3 years and went to school there too one summer and went on vacation that year too with other countless vacations.
Magna Graecia indeed. Una faccia, una razza.
Thanks to Greece for the legacy!
We love you 🇮🇹 ❤ 🇬🇷
Mycenaeans were not greek.
@@st3019 Mycenaean Greece (or the Mycenaean civilization) was the last phase of the Bronze Age in Ancient Greece, spanning the period from approximately 1750 to 1050 BC. It represents the first advanced and distinctively Greek civilization in mainland Greece with its palatial states, urban organization, works of art, and writing system. The Mycenaeans were mainland Greek peoples who were likely stimulated by their contact with insular Minoan Crete and other Mediterranean cultures to develop a more sophisticated sociopolitical culture of their own.
@@st3019wtf?
thank u for invide us in ww2 !!!
@@Daniel-rs6wkmodern Greeks today is indeed heavily J2 Anatolian neolithic farmers DNA then E-v13 North African Pelasgians on 2nd place, and R Indo European on 3rd
Very interesting. Could you do the Minoans and Philistines too sometime?
I’m not sure we have DNA from them.
Analysis of Mitochondrial DNA from the teeth of 39 skeletons discovered in a Minoan Cemetery in Lasithi, Crete has disproved the Indo-European theory and the theory that man came from Africa. DNA analysis proves that Europeans are descended from the Indigenous Neolithic Greeks.
we do and its uploaded :)@@GreatRaphael
Minoans 🇬🇷
Etruscan and Pelasgian for next videos!
Pelasgians 🇬🇷
Enjoying your work as always 👍 Hope you will do videos on neolithic Baikal HG (from Shamanka/Fofonovo/Lokomotiv sites or GLZ001, GLZ002 sample) and also Ainu DNA please.
This warrior dude looks really cool!
Thanks for the video! My Y-DNA is J2a-Y24510 also has ancient DNA found in Aidonia, Corinthia, Peloponnese, a place not far from Mycenae in the Middle Bronze Age and belongs to Helladic cultural group, though it’s not that branch shown in the video, but a parallel one.
Heard that phoenicians had J2 Y DNA too.
How to find my Y-DNA ?
@@Daniel-rs6wk Do FamilyTreeDNA Y test or WGS like Nebula (Deep), DanteLabs or YSEQ (WGS+).
@@Daniel-rs6wk23 and me, my ancestry.
Dna test from one of these dna companies
very nice, a phrygian dna test would be interesting since they dont have any direct descendants
Armenians and some Balkanites like Macedonians/Albanians etc, are most probably descendants of an Ancient Phrygians. They migrated towards Balkans on West from West-Central Anatolia, where they formed an Ancient Kingdom 3000 - 4000 B.C in Central-SW parts of Balkan mostly on territories of Albania & Macedonia where they were known as Brygians or Bryges. Then migrated towards Eastern Anatolia pressured by Cimmerians and finally stationated on Southern Caucasus. So technically they migrated in both directions towards West and East from one place.
@@dejantodorovski5222 a widely accepted hypothesis is that their language was closely related to Greek. Given that during Mycenean times the southern Balkan genome was similar to that of the Myceneans, the Phrygians, were probably similar to the Myceneans not only in language, but also in terms of genetics.
@@konstantinosntinas8139 Myceaneans, the same like Minoians, Phrygians and most of other Paleobalkanic people originated from Western Anatolia or more specifically their dna in a big part derived from an Early European Farmers that lived in Fertile Crescent. So genetically maybe Phrygians were close to Myceaneans with similar Steppe component or even higher, but linguistically according to some new relevant sources they were closer to Thracians, Dardanians, Illyrians etc (ancestors of modern South Slavs). Their language was full of slavic words.
Im cypriot and
Beautiful civilization
Now mtdna X2 is found in whole europe but mostly in italy , it has subclades everywere
I love your videos! I wonder if you would be able to do a Neanderthal?
You might wonder if there are any traces of the Steppe ancestry in the Mycenaean DNA (since Greek is an Indo-European languages usually associated with the Steppe ancestry). According to one study (Lazaridis et al., 2017), the Mycenaean DNA shows a slight spike of the Steppe DNA in the Middle Bronze Age burials. Late Bronze Burials are again very similar to the DNA to the surrounding Mediterranean DNA, just like Early Bronze Age. There’s no way of knowing for sure, but it’s tempting to assume that the newcomers brought their language and some of their culture on top of the existing Minoan culture sometime before/during Middle Bronze Age, but their DNA had relatively little lasting impact.
There have been other samples released, and steppe admixture maxes out at 30%, which is about how much steppe admixture modern Greeks have. Other Mycenean samples have less to no steppe admixture, with no difference in social strata- (some elites like the griffin warrior have no steppe admixture whilst some commoners are high in Steppe)- which suggests that proto Indo Europeans (yamnaya) most likely assimilated into Greece rather then conquered and subjugated it completely like more to the north. Greece for centuries has been able to assimilate and integrate elements from other culture's, whilst retaining it's genetic profile (obviously migrations do have an effect, thus the dilution of the neolithic, Sardinian type admixture and the heightening of the Steppe admixture) but it's maintained itself relatively similar to their bronze age ancestors for millennia now.
@@carlosalegria4776 The steppe admixture of modern Greeks does not average 30%, their average is 14.8% steppe dna, and the dominant haplogroup is j2. The ancient Greeks had 5% steppe DNA as seen in the video, their DNA was very similar to modern Sardinians who have 5.3% steppe DNA, the Greeks, Turks, Syrians and southern Italians are closely Related to the Anatolian farmers, the Anatolian farmers along with the steppe peoples were responsible for absorbing and assimilating Western European hunter gatherers.
@@user-yt3xd2jl6d I agree in essence, however, my understanding was that modern Greeks have a relatively high Steppe admixture in comparison with the ancients. There have been more Mycenean samples released where, like I said, the maximum steppe found was around 30% but all samples averaged at 10-15%. There are elites which have negligible amounts of Steppe, which indicate that any Steppe heavy peoples became assimilated by and intermixed with the Greek neolithic population. My point remains that ancient and bronze age Greeks have even less steppe admixture then modern Greeks. Its funny people deny it too- I was in Greece recently and saw so many women that resembled bronze age/classical Greek phenotypes that it was uncanny!
Absolutely. And there are many similar exemples in History. The Turks in Anatolia for exemple who let a little amount of central Asian DNA in modern Turks.
They only seen to study certain samples. I seen one when dna was new in grave circle a or b a few were r1b. They dont talk about that anymore. Greece was a mix from 2000 bc onwards. They got amber from somwhere
Please make Itil Bulgarian DNA analysis.
First thing i thought about the video thumbnail was that the reconstruction looked kinda Sardinian (im sardinian), then i clicked and actually the ancient bro was rly half sardinian and still similar to some people that live here today x)), i don't believe too much in the reliability of facial reconstructions since i don't know how does it work but i found this situation very funny.
Hoabinhian culture next please my comrade 🙏
Etruscan Tarqanius myheritage dna please!
Do we know how come the myceneans had an indo-european language (i.e. from the Yamnaya) but basically no Yamnaya DNA contribution? Or what do I miss?
They probably adopted the language, religion because the Indo European Hellenic/Greeks like maccedonians were already living at their North in bronze age... So that's maybe the reason
The issue with this comment and the video is we have remains that literally show genetic influence of steppe populations@@skylinelover9276
Contrary to what expected latest research has concluded that mycenean DNA had an extremely small proportion of Yamnaya. Check stanford Uni - nature paper - Lazaridis et al. Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans
The modern Greek result seems to have very little Jewish and Sardinian content, and at least over 60% Greek and South Italian content. It seems that Mycenaeans and Greeks have at least 60% different genetic origins.
Without knowing the genetic test results of the Minoans, I think it is possible that the Minoans were even completely different from modern Greeks.
Not Jewish, but Phoenician. The Phoenicians had mostly Canaanite DNA, from northern Lebanon.
The Mycenaeans were not the only Greeks of the bronze age. They were the southern branch that had split from the north and assimilated pre-Greeks in the south. There were still Greeks in northern Greece who retained higher amounts of Steppe ancestry and some of them migrated during the bronze age collapse, namely the Dorians. Further mixing between northern ”purer” (if you will) Greeks and southern Greeks continued throughout late antiquity and the Roman era due in part to high mobility
@@Elstocks21 Then they can no longer be called "Greeks" because 60% of the genes are different. The Turks today are more Greek than the Mycenaeans.
@@UlyssesPact Well looks on its own won't tell you who they mixed with. I myself am Lebanese and many of us look Greek/they look like us. But the Phoenicians were indeed a subgroup of Canaanites, which makes up *part* of the DNA of Jews. But at that time, there would have been no Jewish religion. Therefore, the people that the Greeks mixed with were not Jews but rather Canaanites. Among them, the Phoenicians. There is a dishonest attempt by some Jewish people to portray their ancestors as also being Jewish, even before Judaism. What you watched was probably a product of that. But the ancient tribes that lived in the Levant at that time were not Jewish.
@@UlyssesPact We have Steppe ancestry. This was published in recent articles, and I personally have a lot of it. So it's not just Caucuses it's also Indo-European. Semite Is Not a race btw. It's a language family. As for the Phoenicians while it isn't clear whether at their height (when they were famous maritime traders) they intermixed genetically with indo-europeans, their descendants certainly did. This is what I'm talking about with the genetic studies.
Okay now coming back to Jews and their DNA results, yeah there are many Jews from all around the world and some of them would definitely have some Greek admixture. Obviously this would be just a portion of them, not all.
Can you please make a video about ancient Israelites/Judeans/Phonecians or just any Canaanites from any time?
Also maybe Carthagians
I'm only half Greek Cypriot.. and i got some similar results 44.6% Greek and 4.5% Ashkenazi.
Day 12 of asking for Ainu results
The Griffin Warriors Y-DNA Haplogroup listed Here is Incorrect
It is not J2 because the sample ID is wrong, this is a different individual.
The Real Sample ID for the Griffin Warrior is I13519_d - Griffin Warrior not IDI9041 which is also Mycenaean but from the same region as Sparta
The Griffin Warrior is Y-Haplogroup F
The majority of Mycenaeans were Haplogroup G2 and J2 with three R1b
The Mycenaeans however were influenced by the Minoan Civilization as evident by the artifacts in the Griffin Warriors tomb, and the majority of Minoans male ancient DNA were J2.
G2a is the original Neolithic Population that settled the Aegean and associated with the spread of Early Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia into Europe.
The Haplogroup J2 happened to arrive around 3000BCE coinciding with the rise of the Minoan Culture.
All of the Haplogroup J2 Mycenaeans found were found outside of the palace of Nestor around the mainland coastal areas.
The majority of those found in the palace of Nestor were Haplogroup G2 with three (A father and Son) belonging to R1b
As for the Indo-European language, there is are two new papers that reorient the beginning of the Proto-Indo European and Indo-Anatolian to the Caucasus
The most recent paper was released in 2023 by Max Planck University.
The paper is titled "New insights into the origin of the Indo-European languages"
That answers how the Minoans spoke an Indo Anatolian related language (related to Luwian) and the subsequent Indo-European Language of the Mycenaeans after.
The spread of the language was from the Caucasus into Anatolia and into the Steppes (Yamnaya) and south into Iran
There are at least 12 male J2 samples from the Mycenaean and Minoans on Y-Full and more on FTDNA
All it shows is the connection of Ancient Civilizations of the Aegean back to the Middle East via Anatolia (Haplogroup G2 and J2)
The rise of civilizations in the bronze age in the Aegean seem tied to J2 arrival (I maybe biased as I am J2 too), but it is what the evidence seems to point at.
As the Minoans declined the G2 Dominant areas of Mainland Greece seems to have taken over but retaining religious, political and cultural institutions laid down by the Minoans which once ruled over some these regions.
The presence of R1b Im not sure was from the North or simply migrants along with J2 from the Caucasus.
It might be the case considering all Mycenaean samples Royal, elite and common were homogenous
The rest of the video is pretty accurate though
@robertolang9684 So far all Hittite ancient DNA samples found belong to Haplogroup J2.
Two research papers, one from Max Planck and the second either Harvard or Stanford University, I cant recall, concluded that the Indo-European language originated from the Caucasus.
From there three main branches arose, west into Turkey (Indo-Anatolian), South into Iran and Pakistan, North into the Steppes (Yamnaya) which split into two, one heading into western Europe and the other east into Eastern europe/Siberia and eventually down into eastern Iran and Pakistan mixing with the second branch that went south from the Caucuses into Iran
The conclusion for both papers were based largely on DNA evidence, the paper from America was based on all the current DNA evidence found so far from all over eurasia, but the researchers were not linguistics professionals but used DNA as evidence to isolate the point of origin for PIE. The Max Plank paper were linguistics researchers who revised the point of origin based on Archeo-Genetics data so far and devised their theory of its origin and the spread of PIE, both concluded it originated in the Caucasus roughly 8000BCE, varying slightly in their view of how the different languages spread.
The only but serious drawback of this reconstruction is that there is no beard. A person of this period and region without a beard is the same as a Minoan bull without horns.
None of their art, paintings, frescos, statues, or pottery depict them with beards. You're trying to equate the middle eastern cultures with the Mycenaean.
@@moemuggy4971 Mycenaeans are not Minoans. There is no particular reason for a Mycenaean man over 15 to go without a beard.I want to say that imitation of the Minoans could have a limit...Je demande pardon.
2:07 Basing on the EHG% amount Mycenaens had 6-10% WSH ancestry.
Do you know what I find fascinating? That the dna results correspond directly to stories of Greek mythology. The addition of the Levant / Phoenician haplotype to the mix of Mycenaean DNA corresponds to the story of the Phoenician prince Cadmus arriving at Greece with his army, settling at Thebes and mixing with the locals, and the "Western Asian" haplotype corresponds to the story of Dionysos arriving on Greece with an army of Phrygians (Maenads).
I keep watching this channel even though most of it is still puzzling to me since I don't
know how to decipher those charts. They are so confusing as they show so many similar
statistics. Still it's a fascinating subjects that I've always been interested in.
Anyway I have a question in regards to how the Jewish ancestry is determined from different tribes (or groups) of current Jewish dispersions ?
Did they have such a distinct genetic traits from the rets of Semitic people ?
If so how long ago they were established as different genetic pool from the rest of Levant
ancestors ?
The Levantine ancestors of the Ashkenazi mixed with Southern Europeans. The Ashkenazi had a recent bottleneck during the middle ages, which is why they are their own distinct genetic cline. I do not know about Jewish North Africans though.The Levantine ancestry Jews have is practically similar to modern Palestinian populations. Why this sample displays Jewish ancestry is because of the fact that Jews (both Sephardic and Ashkenazi) and Sardinians have extremely high EEF (European/Anatolian Farmers) ancestry just like the Mycenaeans. But that is my guess.
@@nimrodsfall3259 It's not just that European Jews experienced a recent bottleneck as a result of pogrom and holocaust, but also they have mixed in more or less degree for 2000 years, with the local populations where they lived, which contributed to the fact why they are their own genetic pool different from the genetic pool of modern Jews from Levant and Palestinians.
@@dejantodorovski5222 this isn’t true. If European Jews kept on mixing with their local populations they would’ve lost the vast majority of their “original” genes. But they didn’t. The bottleneck didn’t take place during the pogroms and Holocaust as you put it, but much earlier. The central/eastern European admixture in Ashkenazi tends to be in the range of 10-20%. Sephardic and Italian Jews lack this additional admixture. European Jews are genetically similar to Syrian Jews contrary to your claim that they differ drastically. It is Iraqi and Iranian Jews who are not so similar to Ashkenazi genetically speaking.
I'm a little surprised there doesn't seem to be much Yamnaya ancestry, considering the Greeks, along with almost all of Europe, ended up with a language that was in the Indo-European group.
I wonder how they ended up with a language of that group?
P.S.: How to remember how to spell Yamnaya? The Yam-no-yes people, Yam-na-ya.
Sardinians in Italy speak Indo-European but barely have 5.3% steppe DNA, modern Greeks have 14.8% steppe DNA but ancient Greeks were more similar to Sardinians having around 5% steppe DNA. the steppes, were always more genetically related to the western Asians, the Yamnaya were conquerors who imposed their culture and their language, they also stayed with the women of the Neolithic farmers, they had a DNA very similar to the Sardinians and ancient Greeks.
Also look into the southern arc papers, and the language implications between proto Indo Europeans and proto Indo Anatolians sharing the same homeland
This dna sample shows Anatolian hypothesis which says indo europan languages born in Anatolia.
The sample is from a person who lived before the Yamnayas reached Greece
@@happysolitudetv No . They founds the slaves. The 'yamna' were the slaves in greece
I am greek , i am 'yamna' and i am still slave as my grandfathers
Very cool results of Myceanean, finally my ancestor 🙂👍👌 Sephardic and Sardinian are a proxy of his Neolithic Anatolian origin. Ashkenazi is a mix between Steppe and Farmer. Btw I've expected some Balkan, East European or Baltic because they had significant Yamna ancestry. Regards 🙌
I'm not very good at genetics and know very little, but would that mean that Minoan samples resemble Sardinians in a significant level? Since Sardinian are the closest to the neolithic/Anatolian farmers which compose most of the Greeks, and Minoans had this admixture with negligible amounts of Steppe, which would make me imagine that Sardinians and Minoans were similar. Like I said I'm ignorant in this regard and would just like to ask
@robertolang9684 that's not what the genetic evidence says. They're mainly early European farmers (neolithic farmers)-therefore sharing 75% genetic material with mainland Mycenean Greeks. Sardinians are the ones with the purest neolithic/early European farmer ancestry. I'm not sure where you're getting your data from.
Actually Sephardic and Ashkenazi DNAs are pretty similar.
@@GreatRaphael Sephardic is for a bit more Middle Eastern and some minor North African, so it's more "authentic" Jewish. Ashkenazi is little more European.
@@GreatRaphael So yes they are similar till some degree but for sure not the same.
Can you make video about Buryat genetics?
For Buryat populations, the high frequency of N1c-M46 can be observed in samples from all research. According to their own history, the original Buryat alliance consisted of the Khori-Tumed tribe, the Bargu tribe and some other hunter-gatherer clans (Abide 1982)The ancient "Bargu" tribe was considered to be a descendant of the Bayarqu (or Bayegu/Baiyrku), a Turkic-speaking tribe in the Turkic Khanate (Tsydendambaev 1972)On the other hand, "Tumed" is possibly an ancient Monglic word. So, we propose that a Turkic-speaking population (a.kBayarqu->Bargu) changed their language and finally became an important part of modern Buryat populations.
It’s known that than ancient Bayirku interacted with Yenisei Kyrgyz, they didn’t understood their turkic language(Yenisei Kyrgyz language). And their descendants - Barghuts were speaking Mongolic language in Late Medieval period so they most likely were always speaking Mongolic. And there are no any real evidence of them speaking Turkic, even Yakuts have quart of vocabulary from Mongolic language, ancestors of Yakuts are believed to live near Baikal near ancestors of modern Buryat-Mongols who were Barghuts. Strange huh? From whom they inherited those Mongolic borrowings, only from proto-Buryat tribes such as barghuts since they didn’t had any close contact with other Mongolic tribes.
Also typical Avar-Buryat N-f4205 subclass has nothing to do with turkic people since it’s just not found or found in very limited amount among all modern turkic groups. And Pannonians Avars were Mongolic Rourans, that’s already known and confirmed in modern science except some native Anatolian kids like papaza 😂
@@barguttobed nice fantasy world with non-existent credible sources🤣🤣🤣
@@barguttobed All modern scholars say those peoples weren’t Mongolic but Turkic (Barga, Avar) and Para-Mongolic (Rouran).
Maybe some outdated non-expert historians made such laughable claims at the past.
@@barguttobed The origins of the Buryats are not known for sure, though most ethnographers believe Buryat origins combine Mongol, Samoyed, Turkic, and Tungus ancestry. The various peoples living near Lake Baikal were probably assimilated into a tribal federation that then spread through- out Central Asia before the modern era began. Following the breakup of the tribal federation, various tribes living around the lake began to establish defensive communities, which formed the basis of future ethnic divisions. The Buryat are most likely descended from one of these communities or the Karluk Turkic tribe, which inhabited the eastern shore of Lake Baikal
The tribes around the lake soon came under control of the Chinese empires before ridding themselves of Chinese rule in 754. The tribes then faced successive waves of Mongol migration from the south.The Turkic tribes were assimilated into the Mongol society led by Genghis Khan in 1205. By the end of the fourteenth century, the Buryats had become immersed in Mongol Empire
Indigenous Peoples: An Encyclopedia of Culture, History, and Threats to Survival [4 Volumes] Victoria R. Williams · 2020, p.117
Odyssey*
We need studies about Amazigh (berber) people.
Linear B comes from the PHOENICIAN ALPHABET. I'm surprised you didn't mention this.
1:51 is oni grik vibes
How can Ancient Mycenaean be parts Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish when those populations didn't even exist yet in history? Perhaps it is that Askhenazi nad Sephardic populations have Mycenaean genes?
23andme, myheritage, etc don’t test for ancient ancestry. They compare you to modern populations and assign ancestries based on how you relate to the average in their reference populations.
@@Elstocks21correct. Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews are genetically Mediterranean, so they are using those sources as proxies. Mycenaeans had zero Sephardic/Ashkenazi dna as, correctly noted, no such communities existed during the Mycenaean period.
It's probably phonecian
Mycenaean mice also ate cheese.
And watched Tom and Jerry cartoon 😉
Im pretty sure the MODERN geographic areas that contain the listed Mycenaean dna percentages are those areas where the descendant offspring of the ancient Mycenaean corpses studied, ended up today.
And not which ANCIENT geographic areas Mycenaean dna originates from. We don’t have a pool of ancient geographic haplotype distribution to pool from.
The corpses are from Crete and mainland Greece. It says so in the study.
My X2 cousin.
hope you do an early latin before the expansion of rome and an anglosaxon
Latins are around 50% EEF, 35% WSH and 15% WHG, according some scientific articles.
@@greatbearfromthenorth9944 so they're closely reltaed to Iberians ig?
@@ilovegenetic well all southern europeans have a similar proportion of EEF, WSH and WHG DNA. They usually have more EEF DNA than the North europeans.
Would be really great to know
@@ilovegenetici think italian
interesting the DNA doesnt actually showing it being similar to modern greeks, But more with Italians Sardinians and even Iberian in some calculators.
aha...So what?
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@@sgonzo5572 ahaaa! You sell videos. You must find a real job bro
this is because more Italians, especially from the south, are Greek.
Can’t wait for the second part of « 100% people ».
Parthian DNA sample please
It would be mostly West Asian plus some South Asia.
And maybe Central Asia.
This Myheritage algorithm is completely BS being honest….
Why?
Myheritage Greek&South Italian is still to much rich in steppe ancestry so why Mycenaean sample didn’t scored 100% of it
not really, you are just misreading what it stands for. Sardinian is a proxy. Greek has too much steppe for a 100%
I agree. Caucasus, Ural doesn't exist in MyHeritage)
Caucasus is included as West Asia. But Caucasus, Arab and Iranian it is not same.
@@TheHimalaiaNinjaYou hit the nail with that.
3:28 occupations by many empires. And migrations by many peoples. Thats almsot impossible. Modern greeks are descended from arvanites who share the same dna as ancient greeks. The original ancient greeks were replaced by slavs and various other peoples.
Southern Italians aren't myceneans(or at least 20% of their DNA). In literal terms, modern greeks are the direct descendants of the Mycenaeans but south Italians plot closer to them on an FST because unlike us they have preserved more anatolian like ancestry. Greeks mixed heavily with slavs during the middle ages which shifted them closer to Europe that's why they may appear slightly different to the myceneanscin one of these models.
Thinking south Italians are myceneans is like saying that Yemenis are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians because they plot closer to them than moderns but that's obviously a misconception.
Actually Southern Italy was historically Greek speaking so they very much probably are direct descendants of Mycenaean..
nice video, but... where the ainu dna test?
True, hope Decimali see our requests and make Ainu video
If you were asking respectfully he would maybe consider your proposition.
@@barguttobed do jomon man has caucasoid dna? he really looks like a Turkish man you can find his look alike faces in turkey
i wonder if they'll get high finnish
Nordicists: ACK!!!!!
They are dumb. Their ancestors had no contributed the civilization
Greeks are not nords dummie
@@hollymedici2936 ...Yes, thats the entire point of my comment, friend. I'm not a nordicist
@@TheHimalaiaNinja gotcha
Lol this actually vindicates Nordicists if anything.
The noses on those drawings are so odd .
The reason why the Myceneans spoke Indo European language is because of the Indo European Hellenics stocks (maccedonians) is already living in theirs north in bronze age... So its possible that they adopted the language and religion
Myceneans speak Hellenic
Lineral B has been decoded
Dorians (Macedonians) were speaking the same language but different dialect
Same race
nice
Decimali !! Bu gün bizler orta Anadolu da yaşayan Yörükler Türkmenler yüzeysel bir bakışla hangi toplumla daha çok benzeriz?
please explain better....it m8ght be interesting for the turkish people living today in anatolia
So you can understand that Real mycenians were sardinians,
No, they just had some more neolithic farmer ancestry compared to modern Greeks, and Sardinian is basically the general stand-in for that since they have the most. Modern Greeks got extra steppe ancestry from the Middle Ages.
@@rb98769 Yes the Micenaens wheren`t Yamnaia,maybe offsprings of the Minoeanean Kingdom after the great Klush.
@@rb98769 modern Greeks have even higher Steppe then their ancient counterparts, which averaged 5-15% Steppe admixture in Mycenean Greeks. Mycenean Greeks are majority Early European Farmer- something nordicists and other racialists who have outdated 19th century theories try to explain away with conspiracy theories about the Greek government hiding samples.
The Sardinians were closely related to Mycenaeans 🇬🇷 .
Sardinians are proper west med population meaning high anatolian neolithic farmer ancestry mixed with western hunter gatherers of Europe. On the other hand proper east med is the minoan-like genetic profile meaning high anatolian neolithic farmer mixed with later migrations from people who carried amounts of Caucasus hunter gatherers and neolithic Iran.
1:45 it is a stretch to say that he resembles any modern population physically in my opinion
If you look at the comparisons between other ancient peoples DNA and modern populations, you will find that the Myceneans are the ones that actually have greater proximity with modern populations.
well your opinion is skewed then
45%Real Native Anatolian Hittite etnic
Gedmatch:where's sub-saharan hellenic?
Chines aziz 😂
@@barguttobed chines?😆
gypys Tibetian🤣
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Ohh wow, they looked like CGI models!
Odyssey, not Odesseus.
Odyssey Is in Macedonian, Odysseus is in Greek 🙃
This means nothing if you do not know the haplogroups😆
What the hell is Greek and South İtalian in Myheritage,
Even ancient Hittites score %18 Greek and South italian then what is it ?
Greek and South Italian on My Heritage is most probably a mix between an Ancient Greek plus some Paleobalkanic (Pelasgian) genetics or more precisely Southern Balkanic genes from Northeastern Mediterranean basin (East Mediterranean) dna.
But there's also Greek cluster on my heritage.Why there's two clusters for Greeks ? @@dejantodorovski5222
Ancient Hittites score some "Greek and South Italian" because of their link with an Early European (Neolithic) Farmers which came from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent in the Middle East and inhabited most of Europe - especially it's Southern parts. Also almost all Paleobalkanic tribes and Ancient Greeks came from Anatolia and are directly & indirectly connected with Hittites, Dardanoi, Phrygians, Armenians and other autochtonous ancient/modern people from Asia Minor.
Hellenized Anatolians
As much as you are turkified anatolian
@@barguttobed You yourself are not of Khori origin as you larp🤣
@@papazataklaattiranimam Wtf you talking, Khori is a tribe within Buryat-Mongolians.
@@barguttobedmongolozed chines
@@papazataklaattiranimam turkfied b*strds
he probably had a Jewish grandma!
It's Neolithic heritage in him.
It is not like the modern Greeks, it is like the Ibero-Maurusiens and the inhabitants of South America
As shown in the genetic research results presented in the video, the genetics of modern populations of Greece and South Italy, are actually remarkably close to this elite Mycenean individual.
На дравидов!
I would like to know the DNA relationship between the ancient Greeks of the time of Plato and Alexander the Great and modern Greeks.
side note: konstantin papparigopulos notes that: ancient hellens were wiped out during the roman invasions (146bce) and after that, migrations from near people and east europe shaped the contemporary greek
Well the remarkably close proximity of this Mycenean individual with modern Greek and Italian populations, shows that the ancient Greeks have not been wiped out. Later samples from classical Greece, (4th - 5th centuries bc) are even closer to modern populations.
Modern Turks today are Greeks, and other Anatolian peoples... This is more accurate than Turkish propaganda lol😂
@@konstantinosntinas8139majority of Turks are Greeks and Bosnians because of the population exchange during 1920s
You would probably have to distinguish between the common population and the nobility. As far as I understand, there was an invasion of Yamna people that established a ruling class over the endemic neolitic farmers. The DNA shown here was probably that of farmer.
the 'yamna' was the slaves.
were
I am greek and i am 'yamna' .We are always the slaves in greece
This guy had steppe ancestry and he was the nobility, the palace was were the high class lived, myceneans greeks are less IE than modern mainland greeks because they receved slavic DNA during the early middle ages
@@luca-jminecraftxx9960 Myceneans had some steppe ancestry The thing is that their
king had zero steppe ancestry .
Epic nonsense. The entire channel.
0% Westasia 😮
The sephardic Jewish and ashkenazi has west asian built in.
Ionians greeks like Athenians are the direct decendants of the Myceneans they have J2 DNA
While the maccedonians and Spartans were the Indo European Hellenics they have r1a and r1b DNA
The first claim has been proven. The second claim is only a hypothesis absent evidence.
jew jew jew...
The Greeks of today don't represent the Mycenaeans at all. They are genetically different because already in the byzantine era there were many immigrants to Greece also from the neighbouring slavic territories.
Yes they represent till some degree, and there is a continuity. Difference is that modern Greeks have higher or slightly higher Steppe dna comparing to their Ancient counterparts.
what genetic evidence are you basing this on?
@@Glockler Regina is basing her evidences on: Trust me bro 🙂
@@dejantodorovski5222 modern Greeks have a ton of ancient Greek DNA.
@@Glockler I know. There is up and down the same continuity throughout Balkan also.
Classical age of Greece DNA
Athenians - J2 neolithic Anatolians farmers
Sparta/Maccedonians - R1a and R1b Indo European Hellenic stepp people
Thebes- E-v13 Mediterranean Pelasgians
Wrong.
This video is confusing nonsense which doesn't explain Mycenaean DNA history at all.
Mycenaean samples from Lazaridis 2022 had 0 to ~28% Early Bronze Age Steppe (Yamnaya-like) ancestry. In the paper Lazaridis misleadingly presents this finding by saying that the Mycenaeans had c. 5% Eastern European hunter-gatherer (EHG) ancestry, which is an average of all the samples and only half of their overall EBA Steppe ancestry (as EHG makes up about half the ancestry of EBA Steppe). So the samples actually had an average of 10% EBA Steppe ancestry, with some having zero and others having ~28% EBA Steppe ancestry. Mycenaeans were modelled by Lazaridis as being descended from a steppe-derived population mixed with a Minoan-type population.
Skourtanioti 2023 Mycenaean samples all had steppe ancestry, with an average of 22.3% EBA Steppe, and some with over 25% EBA Steppe. Samples from the Mycenaean period in Crete had over 30% to 40% EBA Steppe ancestry.
Clemente 2021 samples from northern Greece c. 1900 BC had 50% EBA Steppe ancestry. One sample was modelled as having 62% Middle/Late Bronze Age Steppe ancestry.
This is all consistent with a significant influx of steppe ancestry c. 2000 BC, which was subsequently diluted by mixing with the previous Minoan-type population, with some parts of the population retaining higher levels of Steppe ancestry.
So the Greeks were a steppe-derived population who first arrived/invaded c. 2000 BC and subsequently mixed with the earlier population. You wouldn't have got that from this garbage video.
The 'Mycenaean' individual featured in this video was genetically like the earlier Minoan-type population and different to the average Mycenaean samples. He was atypical and better represents the pre-Greek population than the Mycenaean Greek population. As such this video is misleading, apparently intentionally, as well as being confusing and uninformative garbage.
You can only be a sad and frustrated men (incel, I bet). The ancient Greeks were a mixed population, and steppe ancestry was only one (and not even the largest) component of that same population. The research you referenced ("Ancient DNA reveals admixture history and endogamy in the prehistoric Aegean", Skourtanioti 2023) showed that the overwhelming majority of samples with steppe ancestry of the Bronze Age and Iron Age elite came from a Neolithic farmer male lineage (of the 30 male samples, only 4 had the steppe R1b haplogroup, which you, intentionally, did not mention). Therefore, everything leads to the conclusion that steppe ancestry came mainly from women, which seriously challenges the theory that male steppe warriors constituted an elite that dominated the majority of the original population (since ancient Greek societies were patriarchal). By the way, in Clemente 2021, the two examples with high steppe you mentioned were women!
@@CPlusPlusOpenGLMan You can only be a sad and frustrated men (incel, I bet). You're pulling a make-believe theory out of your ass that not a single actual scientist or academic has ever proposed. Steppe ancestry is what differentiates the Mycenaeans from the earlier population, and it arrived precisely when the proto-Greeks are thought to have arrived based on linguistic, archaeological and anthropological evidence. The DNA just confirms what was already thought to be the case. Skourtiani 2023 also says "For the Aegean, we also estimated a significantly lower WES-ancestry (Western Steppe Herder ancestry) proportion on the X chromosomes of the male individuals compared to most of the autosomes, which is consistent with male-biased admixture". Another sample I didn't mention dating from c. 2100 BC (Koptekin 2023) had ~40% steppe ancestry and Y-DNA I2a2a1b, which is a Yamnaya and Corded Ware lineage that was also found along with steppe ancestry all the way over in Pakistan c. 1000 BC (Narasimhan 2018).
If the Mycenaean individual featured in this video was different from the average Mycenaean samples, GRC_Mycenaean never come first in G25 genetic distances at 4:23
@@JoshuaPerkins-0jn9s He is different, and more representative of the pre-Greek population. Mycenaeans are differentiated from pre-Greeks by additional steppe ancestry. This video never even mentions the word steppe which means that either the creator doesn't know what he's doing or he's intentionally trying to mislead people. Probably the latter as the paper he cites talks a lot about steppe ancestry.
@@ario2264 I'm not a 'scientist' like you my friend , but as far as i know mycenaens had some steppe ancestry , indeed. The problem is that their king had zero. Yes my friend it is true
The ruler was not 'yamna' , 'pregreeks' ruled the 'yamna'
J2 Native Anatolian haplogroup,fake greek
real greek are E1B haplogroup,like Berber and Sub-saharan African peoples💪
Ok turkfied b*strd
The main haplogroup in Greece is the J2 one. The ancient greeks had also J2.
@@kostasfpspro1706 J2 is Native Anatolian haplogroup(Hittite)
E1B is ethiopians hellenic haplogroup,go back to African🐎
@@kostasfpspro1706 are you Albanian,Arabs,Native Anatolian(hittite),Turkish(harem),Italian and Berber mixed🤣
@@azizyigido You're a turkified anatolian or a greek or an arab 😂
Dey wuz black!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The were not called Myceneans but Achaians!!!!
Mycenea was a major political center with big influence in Peloponese from which this civilization took its name but thise people were calling them selves Achaians
Finally the dna is too dark for Achaians who were 100% indoeuropeans
Calling them Myceneans is correct. Also the DNA isn't "too dark", this is who they were. They were indo-european culturally and linguistically, but they didn't have huge steppe ancestry. Not unlike the Hittites. Greeks got more steppe ancestry over time, especially in the Middle Ages as Slavs moved in.
You've no choice but to accept Greece nation was founded by Aryas. To be precise by RgVedic Elina clan while Rome was founded by Mittani Aryas. Only Aryas can bring Chariot, IE language, the thunder God, Mitra, funerary cremation in Greece Italy.
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👉In 2k BCs Aryas' Bharath was upto Anatolia, Mittani-Hatti-Hari deities are RgVedic. Only Bharath, Mesopotamia, Ezypt nations existed then. In 1k BCs, Mede, Persia, Greco-Roman, Saka, TochaArya, Perthia are fragmentation & extension of Aryas. At last after 5th c. Aryas founded nations in Europe. Rulers & subjects aren't same race even though rulers speak subject's language. Tribals don't give birth to conqueror, tribals could invade civilizaions only after Aryas became their lords. Lords of Turk Mongol are TochaArya Khotan while lords of Arab tribals are MHH descents. Think why T-M, Arab & from Europe couldn't invade civilizaions before 7th c. Mittanis are the first to subdue giant Mesopotamians. R1a1aY, R1a1Y (Kshatrya Arya) is the conqueror, it's in all later conquerors of Mediterranean, Europe, China, Tibet, C.Asia, SE.Asia, Arabia, Judea, Middle East.
Read more 👉Founder & kings of all European, Mediterranean, C.Asian, Steppe, SE Asian nations are Bharath's Vedic/Arya warrior caste R1a1aY/R1a1Y (Kshatriyas), this marker didn't exist in Steppe to Europe before 1k BCs. In 2k BCs Aryas' Bharath was upto Anatolia, Mittani-Hatti-Hari deities are purely RgVedic. Only Bharath, Mesopotamia, Ezypt nations existed then. In 1k BCs Mede, Persia, Greco-Roman, Saka, TochaArya nations are fragmentation & extension of Aryas. After 5th c. Aryas founded nations in Europe. Goth, Norse are CimmeArya+freshly arrived Aryas. In 1k BCs CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Roxolani, TochaArya, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangno, Khotan Aryas have conquered Northern hemisphere+China while MHH descents have conquered Greece Italy. Only Aryas can bring IE language, chariot, Mitra, the thunder God, astronomy, astrology, funerary cremation in Greece, Italy. Aryas in west have turned blonde/white breeding with white women (Yamnyan Celt R1bY, Sintashtan Venedi R1aY) like brown Jews have turned blonde. Europe's literature in 10th c., Greek literature in 8th c BC., Iran's literature in 10th c BC., RgVeda is the oldest of all. Aryas from Eastern India have founded nations in China enroute Burma-Yunnan & SE Asia too, took chariot, Dishitan, the great flood mythology.
Conquest of west by Aryas.
👉2k BCs Mittani-Hatti-Hari conquered upto Anatolia.👉800 BCs CimmeArya, Saka upto Balkan, Ukraine, Russia. 👉500 BCs Parsu upto Greece, Balkan.👉400-200 BCs Sauromata, Alani conquered Ukraine & upto British Irish isles, RgVedic Goddess Danu is there.👉400 CEs one Alani band upto Spain raiding Greece, Italy. 👉400 CEs. Xiangno, Khotan descents Hun conquered 1/2 Europe.
Groups from India Iran have conquered whites.👉Since 800 BCs whites (Celt,Vened), C.Asian, G.Steppe tribals are conquered by Aryas (CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Roxolani, TochaArya, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangno, Khotan).👉By Parsus of Persia.👉By Mittani descent Roman.👉By Xiangno, Khotan descent Hun.👉By Irani Arya led Moors.👉By Tocha-Arya, Khotan led Turk, Mongol tribals. Tribals don't give birth to conquerors, rulers & subjects aren't same race even though rulers speak subject's language. Tribals could invade civilizaions only after Aryas became their lords. Lords of Arabian tribals are MHH descents. Think why T-M, Arab & from Europe couldn't invade civilizaions before 7th c. 2k BCs Mittanis are the first to subdue great Mesopotamians. R1a1aY, R1a1Y is the conqueror, it's in all later conquerors Chinese, Tibetian, T-M, C.Asian, SE.Asian, Arab, Jews, Middle Eastern, North African.
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Whites (Celt, Venedi) aren't IE/Arya, no evidence of native language, nation. Let alone riding chariot, never rode horse. Roman labelled them subhum@n. IBN Fadlan described yellow haired are f!lthiest. Till 10th c. custom of r@ping, hum@n s@crifice. Whites aren't martial race but they @nnihilate weakers, they've @nnihilated native Euros. Roman, Saka, Sauromata, Hun could do the same with whites but didn't. In last 1k years Kshatriyas in west assimilating with whites carried out gen0cides of American, African, Asian, Australian. Hiroshima nuking, WW1/2. British rulers who are R1a1a/R1a1Y l00ted $45 tril. alone from India & feeding whites leaving over 10 mil. starved to death. Vedic civilization is destroyed by her own children. Kshatriyas at home lost due to long imbedded nonviolence ethics from Buddhism, Jainism, Vaishnavism & decay in racial purity.
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Stark difference in civilization confirms west is multiracial. Celt, Vened are only whites who've changed others' physiognomy giving their women while their whiteness is reduced by others. Browns were Arya from India, Phonecian-Etruscan-Jews from Middle East. Negroids from Sahara. C.Asian, native Euros, Gypsies, Mongoloids too. Kshatriyas were massive in height & girth, dark haired/eyed, brown skinned (see earliest images of Greco-Roman, Alexander TG, 6th c. Byzantine emperor with Vandals, Persian, Saka, TochaArya, Kushan, Khotan, Xiangno).
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Kshatriyas are founder of Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism. Kshatriya Buddha, Mahavira, Ashoka TG, Kurus TG are the greats no other race could give birth. Abrahamic religions are existing because Kurus TG saved Judaism, he's the only non-Jews regarded "messiah". Literature of all civiliations can't reach 1/4 of Vedic. RgVeda is the oldest IE literature. 45% Earth's population speak Arya languages. Aryas who surpass even great Mesopotamian, Ezyptian can't originate from civilizationless Steppe or can have less than Sumerian, Ezyptian. Oldest chariot found in "Sinauli" India. Oldest city "Rakhigarhi". None ever rode Chariot in Steppe. Vedics=Aryas=IE.
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Will Durant, American historian.
"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all."
William James, American Author "From the Vedas, we learn a practical art of surgery, medicine, music, house building under which mechanized art is included. They are encyclopedia of every aspect of life, culture, religion, science, ethics, law,
cosmology and meteorology"
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@@jimjim3474 so according to you r@ping, hum@n s@crificing subhum@ns from the north have brought Chariot IE language chariot Mitra Zeus astrology astronomy funerary cremation in Greece Italy? Mere 1k years back IBN Fadlan visiting Europe described yellow haired are f!lth|e$t.
@@saumensingh9482 Bro stop the drugs. They destroy your brain slowly
The only subhumans on earth , are the people who think that they are 'superhumans'
they were white
no bro
@@neozyykun yes they were, cope nigger
@@neozyykunyes they were.. minoans and Mycenaeans are genetically similar, And Since minoan samples have associated haplogroups of mainly Europeans there is no dispute here whether Greeks are white or not. Do you not see the female mural paintings? They prize pale skin. The Men who would have spent more time outside would have used red ochre to shield themselves but also produced tanned complexions because of outside activity.
@@neozyykunyes they are white because.They haveHigh Anf and CHG dna.
You are coping hard. And i love it.
I am Türkic Kipchak Cuman ancestor of mercenaries and commanders of Byzantine Empire
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@@Scythian_nomad what barbarian language do you speak?
@@mohamedkirgliz261
Ороос тили ве кыпчак(къырым-татар , ногъай) тили
@@mohamedkirgliz261on what basis do you think your ancestors were byzantine commanders? Its more likely you are full blood kipchak or kipchak mixed with local population in balkans
@@postachamdi6286 i don't know if i am full Kipchak Cuman but i take more from mother side and i look East Asian Siberian like the Central Asian i am much Mongoloid like Uighurs in China and khazars expect i resemble the northern i believe Uighurs who are more East Asians i see that my grandparents look like Altay Türkic people as for my father side he doesn't look European i notice like his family look Türkmen his mother and maybe his father Pecheneg i don't know much about it but he has dark brown skin and he is tall my father i don't see any Balkan who resemble my family not my ancestors, as for me i am Greek Cypriot i look like a Lebanese and Türkic i have light yellow skin and brown with a lot of body hair many Greek Cypriots look Lebanese and Türkic but nobody has much East Asian features then i do expect if he is mixed with other Asian races