DJI's O3 got lots of new features and fixes, but some of it is terrible and exactly what we deserve
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2023
- DJI just dropped the first major firmware update for their O3 Air unit, Goggles v2, Goggles 2, and Controller 2. It is exactly what we have been asking for, and that is kind of the problem. Along with fixing things like RC link failures, low light performance, and adding camera settings, they gave us new frame rate modes. Some of them are great, but one of them should never be used! I did the latency comparisons to show you exactly why.
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The 5" build for this video:
Quadmula Siren F5 Split
iFlight Xing 2208 1800KV Motors
SpeedyBee F7 V3 Flight Controller
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DJI O3 Air Unit and camera
CNHL Speedy Pizza 6S 1200mah
RCHackers 6S 1300mah
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The 3" build for this video:
Quadmula Siren F3 Split
Emax Eco II 2004 3000kv Motors
Skystars F722 HD Pro flight controller
Skystars KM55A 55 amp BLheli32 ESC
DJI O3 Air Unit and camera
GNB 550mah 6S
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The 30FPS mode is useful for cinewhoop indoor flying (e.g. the Avata) where the longer shutter speed give much needed exposure without resorting to high ISO settings. My DJI drones (including my O3 FPV drones) are first and foremost flying cameras (bonus if they also do freestyle or racing, but I prioritise image quality over latency).
I 100% agree, that is absolutely the use case for that mode. Anything that requires too much motion or any motion in relation to object proximity beyond a certain point, is just a no go. Flying in conditions that require the longer shutter speed to expose enough light is exactly perfect for this one. I just want to make sure that pilots don't think this is a new mode they should freestyle in since it happens to be where most people also put their gopro frame rate....that is just a disaster, lol.
Great video dude. No fluff just great. Thank you!!!
You are very welcome!!! :)
14:38 don't take away my sparkling water!
I won't take it from you, but I don't know that I can watch you drink it :p
I am running the 03, however I haven't updated the firmware since it's still on the bench waiting on 3D printed parts along with a couple of other things. I'll be working on it tonight with what I do have.. Another great video, Bacon. Thanks
Well hopefully you can get it finished and up in the air soon! It seems to always be the small things that hold up a build, lol.
I got my first O3 unit for my FPV plane, The 30FPS is good for that (wish they has 24fps too!). Latency is not really as much as an issue in this usage. Totally agree for the quad usage - 60 or more is really needed. Just wish DJI talked to the INAV and ARDUPILOT dev groups so the OSD worked right, if its not Betaflight, DJI don't care!
ah, I was wondering how it would go for FPV wing pilots! I am glad you let me know your experience with it :) For quad pilots, like you said it is a terrible mode to run. DJI only cares about what the primary segment of their market is running. Wherever the money is will be where they are going, lol.
Very interesting. Millions of DJI clips, lets see who is honest and calls out DJI like you did. Great work. Thanks
It is always more important to me to give you my actual thoughts than try to make a company happy with me. I don't think I could live with myself if I gave an opinion just to influence people into buying or doing something for profit, lol. I really appreciate you checking it out!
I don't think it's about "calling DJI out", but more like all of us realizing that latency is going to be double or so what we are used to, and that 30FPS simply doesn't have that many actual use scenarios.
It's one thing to use a GoPro to capture some more motion blur to give more of an idea of speed of flight, and quite a different thing to fly with that motion blur and extra latency. Bottom line seems to be - you want more motion blur, use a friggin' GoPro set to 30FPS, while you are flying your FPV drone at 120fps! :)
Very interesting. Good information.
I hope it helps!!
Your videos are oddly fascinating. I can't stop watching
lol, its like when you are watching a train wreck but cant seem to look away from the carnage!
@@BaconNinjaFPV Or. it could be that sense-surround smell of bacon you bake into your videos! As soon as I click PLAY I can smell that lovely scent of BACON!!! ;)
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Thank you for the info ninja. I’m interested in the new google 2
No problem man!! i do like the Goggles 2, but I find myself always using the v2 instead. I guess if I really wanted the full 1080p and OLED experience above all else, I would run them more. I tend to want the lower latency and comfort of the v2 more than the prettiest picture though.
Nice summary of the changes! I definitely think the use case for 30fps is limited, but I could see it being useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. On the bright to dark thing, changing shutter seems to be much slower to transition brightness just physically, it seems most of the improvements in this firmware are coming from the dynamic range end on the software side. If you lock the shutter by setting the camera to manual mode in that first menu item and setting it to 1/120, it seems to have improved quite a lot in terms of handling back lit situations, etc, and being able to retain detail in the shadows, as well as the speed of switching from bright to dark. I'm hoping to do some more testing this afternoon but seems encouraging so far. With the right settings it seems like a fairly dramatic improvement but I need to fly it some more before I can say for sure.
I totally agree, there is a narrow set of use cases where this mode is beneficial. I actually took another quad out yesterday at dusk to mess with the light transitions a little more and I agree that a fixed shutter speed is much better. I will say though, that is generally the case when you lock the shutter speed and limit the ISO sensitivity, so I agree it must be some things they are doing with the dynamic range we are seeing. Fly some more packs and let me know what you think of it!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I did a bit more flying yesterday, but I locked my shutter a bit to high and got my highlights blown out facepalm 1/120 was too bright. Will try again with 1/240 today and see how that goes. Need an ND for 1/120, but they won't fit in my frame. I wish they made NDs that weren't quite so wide.
@@QuadMcFlyFlies ah, yeah always gotta find that ND filter that is just right, lol. What brand are you using? I have a set of neweer filters and I don't think they hang over the edge of the cam at all, or just so little that I don't notice.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Honestly I didn't buy any because of how tight this frame is. I just assumed they wouldn't fit. What brand are you using?
Pretty interesting testing indeed, dude! Thanks!!! 😃
But yeah, I imagined the latency would be worse... But not that much! 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
yeah, it gets pretty bad between the 60fps and 30fps...like, really really bad, lol
Great video,thanks 👌👌👍👍
Thank you for checking it out!!
I watched the interview with the guy from DJI, can't remember his name, he said to get the best performance (not video quality but performance for flying) that you should use 2.7k/100. As far as latency/penatration/range. Haven't seen anyone else talk about that but I remember him saying that on the interview he gave when the 03 first came out.
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@azixaka that's the one! At some point during that Chris asks him what setting give the best performance for the pilot not for video quality and he says 2.7k/100 will give best latency/range/penatration. Haven't seen anyone else test this
I think that interview and recommendation is still 100% correct! If you fly in 2.7K you can get the full sensor size with 4:3 and at 100fps in the Goggles 2 that will be the lowest latency you can get. I would say that a slight modification of 2.7K/120fps is the best for the v2 goggles, but this one still holds up on the Goggles 2 for sure!
Hey, thanks for this, I really appreciate your point of you with quad copter Contant. If you want to make a living at this and make significant money on CZcams monetization, you could switch to all radio control, contents, including cars, quad, copters, boats, planes. You could have the number one radio control channel on CZcams. You could beat out the top channels, Kevin Talbot, and RC Sparks. You would make a lot of money from CZcams and have as much bacon as you want. However, I am greedy, and I only want you to do quadcopter videos, so keep doing what you’re doing.
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Haha! I am expecting FPV pilots to complain!
As an experienced cameraperson, I can stress this: 24fps is a very difficult beast to create motion pictures. If you pan the camera fast, it'll look horrible. Now we are talking about quads that cannot turn slowly. Trust me, flying 30fps in goggles is a headache. If flying cinematic (slow moving) or long range, that'll work.
If you want motion blur at 24fps from 60fps video footage, it'll be easy. Record at 60fps with 1/60 shutter speed (not 1/120), import into video workflow. Conform the video to 30fps. Next, change footage speed to 80%, you'll get yourself a motion picture 24fps.
Good luck!
you are 1000000% correct! I learned my lesson pretty quick with this one, lol.
Impressive. Very thorough.
Thank you!
Thanks for the video, I never fly my quad with anything less than 60fps and now that 4k 120fps is available that will be my new setting.
You are very welcome!! I think if you are good at 60fps you will like the 120fps on Goggles 2. My understanding of it is that although the air unit will be recording 120fps on board, you will be getting 60fps in the goggles. May work out great for you!
Good stuff, you’re on a roll
Thank you!! Maybe I should change my name to Butter FPV? lolol
@@BaconNinjaFPV Butter, Bacon, Bread…
Let’s crack a few eggs and have a party.
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I am looking a real test of range with the o3 and de dji RC2 after the update to see the result of the fixes. will you plan to do it? great channel by the way
I may do it if I can ever get to a spot big enough to really push the range on it. I do have the Controller 2, so it would really just be finding a spot larger than the one I usually fly. I will say, most of the reports I have heard from people are very positive about the changes fixing the issue though. Thank you so much!! :)
Nice test. 👍 Can you repeat this with the Goggles 2?
I plan on it! I have honestly been holding off on upgrading my Goggles 2 to this firmware since they are the primary way my wife flies her Avata....trying not to make her have to plug her phone into the goggles every time she wants to take off, lol. It does look like I am going to have to do it anyway though.
I never saw a reason to get a 30fps mode, as with the Vista, we always strived to stay away from the 60fps cameras and fly with the 120fps cameras instead. So, if we wanted to stay away from the 60fps cameras why would we want to go to a lower FPS? It never made any sense to me, but other FPV'ers were saying they wanted to get more image blur to simulate motion. Well, as a long time amateur photographer I never really wanted my images to blur! I wanted sharp, clear images, except if I was panning a quick moving subject. To me, it makes sense that you found the 30FPS mode garbage. I would have guessed that, and always said, "Why would I ever use that?"
The in goggles settings like contrast, brightness, etc are nice. Same with the other new features! :)
Nice video....very informative!
Chris Rosser's latest video has testing with an actual high speed camera so he's got the latency maybe a little more dialed in. You're spot on though.
Yup, I agree, give me all the FPS when it comes to pilot feed, lol. The real reason I posed the idea of 30fps like I did in the video was to help people who usually run 30fps on their GoPro to get that bit of motion blur they like in their freestyle understand that they can't really do that with this system even though it is technically capable of it now. I would say that more pilots know the rules about how to set their HD cameras by copying what others have recommended and may not actually understand what those settings are doing to the sensor to make that happen. You having that photography experience gives you a whole lot of insight and I bet you get some nice shots when you want to manually adjust settings for the needs of the shot! Maybe some day I will get a faster camera, lol...but for now i am actually building an arduino based sensor array that can poll at 4Khz to monitor screen brightness levels and spit out graphs with sub millisecond measurements. Super nerdy, I know, lol.
I'm waiting on weather but I'm going to try the 30fps mode for cinematic long range soon. It might not be a big deal for that.
It may work out for you! I think if there is any use case for it, that would be it. Something where you don't have to move the sticks very much and you are above anything that would make a blurry image unsafe. Let me know how it goes!
4:43 a well trained pup!
He sure is! Not my pup, but I was at my friends house and that good boy didn't even try to snatch a quad.
Thanks for your interesting video. I have an O3 and Vista with the google V2 , does this update fix the problem of bind loss when switching between systems?
You are very welcome!! Unfortunately no, this update doesn't address the binding loss when switching between O3 and the older system :( maybe some day...
@@BaconNinjaFPV She doesn't solve the bind problem, I tried it yesterday. Thanks
I'm about To install my 03 unit and you've been giving me nothing but great information 30 fps verses A 120 fps is a no brainer
I hope you enjoy that O3 unit! It is seriously very very very good, and although some of it is just hype there is plenty of things it actually is better at than previous systems. 120fps for life! lol
@@BaconNinjaFPV I will keep you posted
Lol this explains why I landed early and it look like bad in goggles! 😂 I didn’t know that the frame rate you select for onboard recording is the same as the FPV feed!
yeah I think that isn't very well described in the system documentation, but at 30 fps it becomes realllllly hard to miss. lol
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Great video! I flew yesterday at 2.7-60 and it had a really good feel to it, seriously odd, now my brain is confused on what i like the best 😆 2.7 60 or 100 (4:3) 🐎🐎🐎
I actually wound up taking of in 60fps without knowing it and felt the same way. It was a little blurry but pretty darn good! Then I wen't into 30 and immediately regretted it, lol. If you are running the goggles 2, you might check out the 120fps option since I think that actually sends 60fps to the goggles!
30fps is half of analog framerate, super hard to fly. The HD splitcams, like runcam split, caddx turtle, turtle 2 etc.. Those also had a 30fps mode, which was impossible to fly in.
True, 30fps is half the field rate of analog...although technically it is the same frame rate as analog when you are looking at full frames drawn rather than individual fields. Ether way though, it is can be super hard to fly with digital since nothing at all is getting updated at 60hz even if it is only half the image like it is with analog.
Any improvement on the 'functionality' issue with the Controller 2? I'm torn between the Tango 2 and controller 2 for the 03 AU. I like the simplicity not adding another receiver and hoping the problem can be solved via update.
So far the reports have been good that it does help the controller 2 situation! If you want to keep it simple, it looks like now it isn't too bad of an option :)
You should put the camera in manual mode with auto ISO, the light to dark transition issue has been completely fixed and is performing better than the vista now. Auto mode is still just as bad as before the update and not recommended.
I will give manual mode a shot to day since I am planning on doing some ND filter testing. Thank you for the heads up!
I have just bought the 03 plus Controller 2. Goggles, controller and air unit, all bound with latest firmware. I am using a MAMBA F722 with a plug designed for the air unit to just plug in. I have it set on MSP UART 3. I have video, OSD etc but the controller does not do anything. Its LEDs flash and when the Air unit connects the flashing goes solid green on the Controller but in the Betaflight Receiver tab nothing works like it does on my old Air units or other Express receivers. What is the trick to get this working?
Well it sounds like you at least have one of the UARTs working correctly! I would say that the issue is most likely either not having UART1 selected for Serial RX in the ports tab, not having the connection method set to serial UART and protocol set to SBUS in the receiver tab, or something with the SBUS configuration in general. There should be a setting in the goggles to set it to SBUS fast which you will want to make sure is set as well. Let me know if any of that does it for you, and if not I may be able to come up with a few other ideas!
@@BaconNinjaFPV Thanks for that, I eventually re-flashed the FC and rebuilt allt he UARTS etc and it all works so something must have gone missing in the original flash.
The point of 30FPS (or 24FPS) is for aesthetically pleasing recorded video/image quality/motion, not for real-time flying.
I totally agree. those frame rates are for nice cinematic footage and for sure not real-time piloting of an aircraft.
Analog video latency is about 2ms. People often confuse latency and latency + frame time combined. O3 30fps latency is 64ms, but is 64ms + 34ms = 98ms total frame latency. Barf
True! I suppose it is how we experience that makes it unintuitive to differentiate. I can absolutely validate that 30fps was in fact barf, lol.
Thanks Bacon! Good stuff in this update! But damn 30fps is low!
Thank you! Yeah the 30fps is...well...just not for us quad pilots, lol.
@BaconNinjaFPV Hey Bacon you may have covered this but when in 120FPS mode in the Goggles 2 some told me it's not 120FPS in the screens just 120FPS in the recording? That's hard to believe. Your thoughts. Thanks
Hey, thanks for this, I really appreciate your point of you with quad copter Contant. If you want to make a living at this and make significant money on CZcams monetization, you could switch to all radio control, contents, including cars, quad, copters, boats, planes. You could have the number one radio control channel on CZcams. You could beat out the top channels, Kevin Talbot, and RC Sparks. You would make a lot of money from CZcams and have as much bacon as you want. However, I am greedy, and I only want you to do quadcopter videos, so keep doing what you’re doing.
hey man, thank you so much!!! I am one of those people that just naturally turn everything I am interested in into some kind of revenue resource, lol. I honestly try really really hard to not do that with this channel so that I will keep enjoying it and not feel trapped by it. So many times I have done that and done so well, then completely lost love for the thing I enjoyed before it became work. You don't have to worry man, I am just going to keep doing this thing I love to do and enjoying it for what it is! :)
I noticed at 2k latency is noticeably better, stay off 4k. Your data is exactly what I feel in the air. Having said that I gave up on the system and am on HDZero and sometimes Avatar, now. Sold O3, but… you are not crazy, or an idiot. You are correct.
Great overview!!! Thanks man!
I have been going back and forth between the 2.7K and 4K options for a while...I can't decide what I am ok with, lol. Do I remember that you got your goggles in? I bet those HDZ's with the Avatar VRX is an awesome combo! Hopefully I will get to try walksnail soon enough.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I have been running the Avatar VRX for a month? And the HDZero goggle, maybe 1 week? I have been flying 40-80 packs a day every day since I got the HDZero goggle… I’m in love 🥰
The goggle got me excited about flying again!!!!!!! What a difference… my sister came with me a few times… and she is like “you know all of a sudden you are flying so much better” and I agree, latency really messes with me, and now it is very, very good 👍🏻 and I can just go with reckless abandon. Flight feel is great and I can really push it…
Fuck DJI, that G2/O3 made me fly like shit for the time I forced myself to use it… finally I can have fun again!!!! Thank God! I have cleansed my pallet!
Why can't we just get full 1080p 120 to the goggles and record at whatever framerate we want !!!
I really do wish it was that easy!!! It is easier to record on board at a higher frame rate then send a lower frame rate tot he goggles, but doesn't work so well the other way due to frame dropping :( Maybe some day we will see some kind of combo camera that lets us run one unit and do two different frame rates on it. Gonna keep hoping for that!
even people who flew vistas at 60 fps never wanted to go back once going to 120 fps. Very noticeable especially when you need to be precise. I see those speedy pizzas, so far my favorite batts. Do you still fly the RChackers? How are they holding up. I have 2 of them and debating to buy more but if they don't last long I might go back to pizzas. I've had not so good luck with the green ovonics, high IR and bad sag, short flight times. The 130cs are great but the price is high. So curious on your future review of them after some time having them.
I actually took off in 60fps accidentally when I was shooting this footage and didn't notice until I landed. I was wondering why it felt weird, but it was still flyable. Now the 30fps I accidentally took off in as well...and I was immediately like WTF is going on with this quad! lol. I do still run the RCHackers and they are going very strong, I just like to change it up when I can and see how other batts do. The pizzas are honestly really nice, and I like the coating on them. They do sag a little more than the hackers packs, but nothing too crazy.
@Bacon Ninja FPV thanks man. I think I'll pickup a few more at that proce for two.
if your trying to get a cini shot then yeah meh just use it, but if your flying for fun just use the faster rate, also 4k50 might be useful to people in 50hz regions to get rid of flashing lights, i get flashing on ntsc on analog but i dont fly under lights enough for it to bother me
Yeah the whole 50hz in regions which don't use a 60hz AC standard totally slipped my mind! Thank you for reminding me of that!
I'm new to the FPS world... Question, why so dark in 120? How do I brighten the image?
O3 with goggles V2
Welcome to the wonderful world of FPV! There are a few things you can do to brighten the image. At 120fps, the shutter speed on auto can get quite high. You can either lower the shutter speed which will keep it open longer and expose more light to the sensor, or increase the ISO to amplify the light that is getting in. Using the shutter speed will increase motion blur as you decrease its rate, but using ISO will add image noise the higher up it goes. Everything is a bit of a trade off.
It feels weird to fly in 30fps. I'm not used to see motion blur when flying
Imho this direct setting of recording and live feed at the same refresh and picture settings ( exp iso and so on ) it’s wrong for the safety of the flight, and 30fps should be enable only on Avaya, on O3 units on FPV drones it’s just only dangerous for flying …
It can be unsafe for sure. Pilots really need to understand and think about the implications of the mode they choose before they fly. I think some people might think that 30fps will give them the same look that it does in their gopro and not know how it is going to impact their ability to fly the quad. There are a couple of use cases for the mode, mostly just low speed cinematic shots, but im not sure how many pilots are going to know that before they try it out.
I'm definitely gonna use the 30 fps on avata because I'm mostly flying it with the dildo in a smooth cinematic style, where it basically doesn't matter, and maybe on some of my smaller whoops when flying intentionally slow, but it's definitely not a general purpose mode
I think that is a great use case for the 30fps mode! The motion controller and cinematic shots are where it should really shine. Not a general purpose mode for sure, lol.
Yeah.... its a last ditch effort to get some light into camera...indoor cinewhoops... last cinematic mountain dive of the night.....🤷♂️
yeah it really doesn't have the sensitivity it needs for low light...at all. I would love to see them do a new version of the cam with a dual native ISO or something so that we can get some higher sensitivity without having to worry about extra grain. Since it is already pretty expensive, another $20 added to the cost to fix the low light issues would be totally worth it.
The O4 will than have a split cam ( 2 cameras) like the Tarsier 😂
lol, hey you never know!! I think it would be awesome if someone would design a 20mm camera that has two sensors side by side. It would let us do a pilot feed and recording feed at different frame rates, but would also open up the possibility of recording 3D depth information as well!
@@BaconNinjaFPV the Caddx Tarsier was great but analog and had no stabilization. Thanks Gyroflow it might be a valid alternative for analog pilots…
Back to the 30-35mm standoff days!
hmm.. i agree with you on some level. the 30 fps mode is somewhat terrible to fly with, and tbh i dont think you wanna fly a fast freestyle quad with this. but i also dont this is the purpose with it. i tried it iwht my small z20 whoop for slow cruise/cinematic and this is better.. still far from perfect but the footage came out real nice.
also i use 50/100 fps modes, simply because im in the EU and our powergrid runs on 50hz, so in case i fly near an old light i dont want it to flicker. and all my other cameras runs on 50hz mode, meaning 25/50/100 fps modes.
Yeah for sure not freestyle, I totally agree. There are some potential use cases with long range or some cinematic work that doesn't require proximity or speed that might work well for it. I was wondering if anyone used the 50hz modes, and that makes total sense! You wouldn't want to shoot in something based on 60hz for power flicker in places that use a 50hz system. Totally forgot about that being the use case for it!
@bacon ninja fpv hey bacon Hoping to get some helpful answers if your are willing, I just finished my 5 in tbs one. I know motors revving by them selves on the bench with out props, I understand that’s normal, but with mine with the props on when I try to fly it it gets of the ground at about 15 to 25 percent throttle right there after shoots straight into the air full throttle like a bat out of hell no control until I smack disarm and catch it, on receiver in bet flight it looks fine when I move gimbals and rotate drone. driving me nuts searching google so I thought I’d try to ask you. I have 1900 kv emax ecos skystars 55amp f405 hd2 stack fly sky a8s receiver and rush fpv race 2 vtx.thankyou bacon so much look forward to a response love your vids man! Thankyou!!
I am always willing! :) So usually if it is a motor direction, FC orientation, or prop installation problem it will do a less than graceful flop on the ground and disarm its self. Based on you being able to hover it before it freaks out, I would say those things aren't the issue. What it sounds like you have is a fly away condition, which is usually caused by noise being fed back into the gyro. Did you happen to tune this, or are you running it on the betaflight default tune? Either way, I would take the master slider down to 0.6 and try to fly it like that. If it doesn't run away on you with the master set very low, then you know it is for sure a noise issue. It will either be a mechanical problem with the build, or you don't have enough dampening on your flight stack and the filters aren't effective. It will be hard to tell without blackbox logging for sure, but that is where I would start.
@@BaconNinjaFPV thankyou for answering so fast man! I can’t hover it the second the drone is without contact with the ground, it shoots straight as an arrow into the sky or roof. I didn’t tune it I just flashed it in bheli 32 to the specs that getfpv told me to then went into beta flight and set transmitter which is an fsi6x with an fsa8s receiver orientation of flight controller looks right in beta flight. If your willing I could send you the black box info just need to figure out how to get it. I don’t know if I could send that to you over CZcams or what. It’s just really frustrating cause I have like 500 dollars into this build hell I’d send you the drone and transmitter to you and pay you to diagnose it lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV also if you know which beta flight is the best that wouldn’t be corrupted I’ll download that delete and reflash and see if that helps. Your supposed to flash ecs on bheli and then flash again on beta flight right? Thanks man hope to hear from you!
I would absolutely be willing to take a look at the blackbox! Just needs to be set to gyro_scaled and at least at 1/2 loop rate. If you want to find me over at Discord (server link in the vid description) that is probably the easiest way to do it. I foresee it being either too hot of a tune somehow due to a mechanical issue, or you have a really strange combo of motor direction and prop installation that is causing it. I am also never above fixing anything that someone is willing to send me, but that would be one heck of a hassle on your side! As for the BetaFlight flash, it is always best to do it in the configurator which should be version 10.8.0 at the moment, and you will want to flash betaflight 4.3.2 since it is the most current stable one. In the flashing tab there, you will want to do a full chip erase to get rid of any old config...just remember everything will be gone, including your ports tab, config tab, rates/pid tab, and motors tab, so it will all need to be set back up.
@@BaconNinjaFPV let me know if you got the phone number successfully in case CZcams deletes it lil
the song got this Like!
im surprised the song didn't get a "throw things at the screen until it goes away" lol
Can’t figure out why they couldn’t run the goggles at 60FPS but recorded at 30fps just saving every second frame. Truly it can’t be that hard.
Yeah, that would make it better for sure! I think you can go the other way and record in 60 and frame skip to the goggles, but I think if you are sending 60 to the goggles and only recording in 30 it would probably cause video stutters in your recording. Maybe they will work out a way to make this happen though!
@@BaconNinjaFPV seems possible to me at least. Hopefully like you said this can be addressed with an update.
I updated my air unit once and the latency went up to 50mS and I couldn't fly the thing it was horrible. 66mS will be unflyable!
Yeah, it is about at the limit of making me not want to fly it on those modes. I can usually adjust to the 60fps latency after a few packs, but even that is pushing it a bit.
flying the o3 with 30 fps feels like flying a analog quad with those 5.8ghz usb receivers latency wise. 😅
lol, lets all go back to using our phones as FPV screens so we can be reminded where we came from!
Just my take. If you fly for freestyle then obviously don't touch the 30fps (why would you?) so you are not crazy Mr Bacon. If, however you intend to use the O3 as the main camera for cinematic flying then maybe, especially if (like me) you have never flown with analogue latency and 56ms doesn't seem like the lifetime to me that it does to you. I haven't tried 30fps and probably won't as I fly it at 60fps which provides what I need without even noticing any radical delay from what I'm used to. There are different uses for FPV flying than throwing the sticks around in a frenzy and I guess that's what DJI let us have the lower frame rates for. Just my take from my POV.
I don't disagree with you at all. It is in no way made for freestyle, lol, but some cases for long range or cinematic shots where proximity isn't required might work for it. As for the delay, again I totally agree. Some people notice more than others for sure, and more so when they have experience with low latency systems and get used to those. I think DJI gave us these for that cinematic use case, I just want to make sure pilots who aren't quite sure what the implications of 30fps are don't go running it as their daily driver without having thought through those implications. I can see a whoooole lot of crashes coming from that blur near objects, lol.
You don't want to record 120fps on the Goggles 2, it will record 120fps, but the goggles will get 60fps (every second frame). 100fps for G2 always.
I wonder if recording at 120fps on the air unit itself affects transmission to Goggles 2 which suppose to be at 100fps. For example, set 2.7K@120fps on air unit recording, will G2 be getting 1080p @100fps still?
@@azixaka the camera only records at one framerate, so the recording framerate has to be converted to something that can be displayed in the goggles. So when recording at 120fps, they halve that for the goggles, giving 60fps.
There is no easy way to convert 120fps to 100fps, because the ratio is not even, meaning you'd have to randomly skip frames leading to jumpy video.
The 120fps modes are purely for Goggles V2, or if you really really want to record 120fps to slowmo it or something, even at the expense of making what you see in the goggles 2 laggy 60fps.
@@deice3 Oh that makes perfect sense actually, thanks for the explanation. I previously assumed that as long as the recording speed is set to 100fps or higher, transmission to G2 will happen at 100fps.
Also, I'd expect goggles to record 1080p h265 @100fps but I get 1080p h264 @50fps. I guess this is due to the fact that G2 have to overlay OSD on top and effectively transcode? Lack of power to keep rate at 100fps then?
And what if I don't record on the Air Unit at all?
@deice you sure about that they revert to 60fps on G2 when on 120fps? maybe they overclocked the OLEDs...., many screen can be forced at higher refresh rate but maybe not that high... 20% is a lot.... @Bacon Ninja FPV could you redo the 120/100/60/30fps response test on the DJI Goggles 2?
@@andrewbt87 I wish DJI just added latency metric to SRT file and/or on screen!
I guess we aren't dropping GoPros any time soon.
I know that in my case, a gopro will ride everything I own bigger than 3.5" for the foreseeable future, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV give it 2 more generations for that air unit to get really good. Also I've been saying since the first version, they'll release a control unit that will let you use either their motors, or run your own. DJI knows there's money here.
I feel like it should've fly and recorded on separate systems some how
it would be awesome if they could make that happen. I think there is just to much going on with each stream to process them separately...at least with today's technology. I am absolutely certain that down the road at some point we see things like this happen, but only once the silicon has a few more generations of development under it's belt.
@@BaconNinjaFPV great start I'm loving not worrying about GoPro all that
Yeah, 60fps is a no-go for me so I wouldn’t even attempt 30fps.
Yeah if you don't jive with 60, then 30 would be a complete mess for you, lol.
I tried telling people that 30 fps was a terrible idea lol
lol, well you were absolutely correct!
Soon..very soon
soon is never soon enough! lol
Bacon 🥓
extra crispy!!
Hey thanks for the review, another nice one!
I guess you tried reproducing Chris Rosser's original O3 latency test here - czcams.com/video/2kokyIpzOVQ/video.html
He run it using a 960fps camera for a very specific reason that he explains in his review.
Something doesn't add up in your latency test mate. If you recorded video at 240fps in GoPro it means each frame is 4.17ms. A light appearing in goggles 4 frames later implies 4x4.17 ~~ 16.7ms of end to end latency. There is just no way O3's latency is going to be so low and beat HDZero and Analogue.
Edit: actually it's frame 5 and if you round up it's 21ms. This is very impressive if it's true and maybe that firmware update has actually improved it compared to the original Chris's measurements. It would be really nice if you could measure a full frame latency not just the first bright frame too.
Thank you! I am using his method for sure, but I don't have equipment capable of that high frame rate so these numbers are within a higher degree of inaccuracy for sure. I will say that the 5 frame thing is within a variance of 8ms since the light in front of the quad could have came on at any point within the 4ms frame window and we could have seen it in the goggles anywhere in that same 4ms window. I don't think that we are actually seeing 20ms here, but probably somewhere on the low side of the variance. Some day I will get a nicer camera to do this, and I am working on a digital measurement system based on Arduino hardware that can do it much more accurately...just have to get the time and money to finish that one, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV You can use your phone btw. Most of the phones can do 960fps for a few seconds, should be more than enough.
Here you go: czcams.com/video/3gWun9cfyE4/video.html
Wonder if FCC hack works on O3 with the Goggle2
So the HAM file does work, but you don't get any output power options. It unlocks 3 channels in 50mhz mode, so absolutely worth doing. As far as the naco hack, that one does nothing as far as I can tell :(
@@BaconNinjaFPV Oh I meant after the latest update ofcourse. I have the HAM file already, it sets it to 1W output already so range is a lot better, but since you are in US (i think) its hard for you to test?
What’s up 🥓 🥷 That was very interesting video bro you did some great testing. Stay safe friend
Thank you sir! Now I just need a better testing rig that can do more than 240fps, lol. Hope you are keeping warm over there buddy!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I’m trying to keep warm hoping for some nice weather so I can fly outside again