Walksnail Avatar improving. DJI still the King. // 28.32.10 firmware test

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    00:00:00 - Is Walksnail finally as good as DJI?
    00:00:30 - Test setup
    • The problem with high-... - Why I don't use four directional antennas
    00:03:37 - Test 1: Baseline for comparison
    • All flights full fligh... - Unlisted video with all test flights
    00:05:43 - Test 1: latency and Mbps graph
    00:07:21 - Test 2: Is 50 Mbps actually better than 25 Mbps in this firmware?
    00:09:49 - Test 2: latency and Mbps graphs
    00:11:04 - Test 3: Is 1200 mW actually better than 700 mW in this firmware?
    00:13:05 - Have I earned your support today?
    00:14:26 - Test 4: DJI v2 goggles with Caddx Vista
    00:16:58 - Test 4: latency and Mbps graphs
    00:19:17 - Test 5: O3 air unit with v2 goggles
    00:22:49 - Test 6: O3 air unit with Goggles 2
    00:25:41 - Test 7: Is Walksnail 1080p actually better than 720p?
    00:27:51 - Conclusions

Komentáře • 228

  • @WezleyVarty
    @WezleyVarty Před rokem +38

    Damn son! Lot of effort has been put in here, as well as time spent setting up 3 systems and flying on a wide range of settings... appreciate you putting this together JB, nice work.

    • @thirdpartycookie
      @thirdpartycookie Před rokem +3

      Exited like a little kid about your O3 test... Do you take bets about the range?

  • @UnmannedSky
    @UnmannedSky Před rokem +3

    Great tests JB! I really enjoy how you and Chris Rosser take an analytical approach backed up with data to these tests. It gives everyone a sense of confidence instead of only your opinion (which we also value btw).

  • @LittleMissRollerCoaster
    @LittleMissRollerCoaster Před rokem +2

    Thank you so much for all the test and data... it is really a tremendous amount of effort here and u truly are our gem within the FPV community! 🤩🤩🤩

  • @personabovefarts1244
    @personabovefarts1244 Před rokem +26

    DJI has been in the game for a long time and continues to improve. The reason it’s still my top choice.

  • @raymondwymore7550
    @raymondwymore7550 Před rokem +22

    This video’s very thorough! Very helpful for us viewers. Well done! I have to agree, DJI is still the gold standard!!!

  • @randysem7848
    @randysem7848 Před rokem

    Wow finally the video everyone has been waiting to see. Great job Joshua.

  • @Sidiann
    @Sidiann Před rokem +2

    Today is the day. Finally a pantreon member. I cant express how much i love your videos XD

  • @Isaachill.
    @Isaachill. Před rokem

    Rly appreciate this JB! Thanks for the work you do!!

  • @darksharkFPV
    @darksharkFPV Před rokem +1

    Hey, JB! Thats the video i was looking for! Great job! As always! You are #1 FPV youtuber as for me. I really appreciate your job. Best wishes and greetings from Russia!

  • @calisti9308
    @calisti9308 Před rokem

    Wow, very elaborate! Thank you so much! Proud to be your patron!

  • @TheTriggerhappyhippi
    @TheTriggerhappyhippi Před rokem +26

    Brah been flying dji for like 2 years. Walksnail is good. Wish them the best. Keep in mind its only been a few months. They already have 2 vtxs. One 1s with 1080p onboard dvr, goggles and a module

    • @ichi1082
      @ichi1082 Před rokem

      I really don't think it's good in comparison to DJI. It looks worse in every scenario except long ranger beyond 13km. Also I'm not going to cheer for another closed source, proprietary walled garden system that's going to be dead as soon as the company behind it defaults or doesn't care anymore.

    • @TheTriggerhappyhippi
      @TheTriggerhappyhippi Před rokem +1

      @@ichi1082 im not comparing it to DJI im saying its a good and cheaper system. I fly dji exclusively but tested this and its pretty damn good. Better than hdzero and its only been out for a little while. They sold over 1500 modules I doubt they are close to closing at this point. Do you use HDzero out of curiosity

    • @ichi1082
      @ichi1082 Před rokem

      @@TheTriggerhappyhippi This video is directly comparing it to DJI, that's literally the purpose of this video so I'm not sure what your comment is supposed to tell us. It's certainly not better than HDZero if latency is your priority.
      To answer your question, I use analog and OpenHD because I want a free (as in freedom) system.

    • @TheTriggerhappyhippi
      @TheTriggerhappyhippi Před rokem +1

      @@ichi1082 do you not know how to read? Read my original comment I just said that its a good option also and they have only been out FOR A FEW MONTHS. The amount of traction they have made is damn good. The video is comparing the two im just saying its nice to have options.

    • @TheTriggerhappyhippi
      @TheTriggerhappyhippi Před rokem +1

      @@ichi1082 also the whole “open source” thing I get it. Ill admit i never heard of OpenHD but saw some videos and it looks like a lot of work for an inferior system. Ill keep my closed source lol.

  • @christopher1195
    @christopher1195 Před rokem

    I love your content, and your shop! 😂 I wish I had one like that brother! Keep up the awesome vids

  • @thomasluesink
    @thomasluesink Před rokem

    Excellent video! Also a great idea to put the test video's as an "attachment".

  • @jmcjmc5587
    @jmcjmc5587 Před rokem

    Nice job with the graph and capture card.

  • @DavidOwensuk
    @DavidOwensuk Před rokem

    Great video JB! Thank you

  • @honeybeedrones5510
    @honeybeedrones5510 Před rokem

    Great Job it is hard to make some tests scientific but you have, keep up the great videos thank you

  • @maikwerner7325
    @maikwerner7325 Před rokem

    Thank you for your great comparison!!! Its great to be in FPV nowadays, but it is so hard to decide for which system (except if you have the money)

  • @thepoorboychannel
    @thepoorboychannel Před rokem +4

    Coming from analog, I love the my new Walksnail system!

  • @caseyfpv
    @caseyfpv Před rokem

    been waiting for this

  • @jejefpv
    @jejefpv Před rokem

    Huge work ! Thank you 👍

  • @xplore7359
    @xplore7359 Před rokem +11

    I'm not a huge fan of DJI as a company, so I was intently watching walksnails progress. When they launched the 1s vtx I bought the system and immediately sold all my DJI gear, only thing I miss is the 4:3 aspect ratio with larger vertical FOV.

    • @Vousie
      @Vousie Před rokem +2

      @Joe Bidden I assume this is a drone? DJI Goggles & VTXs don't have alt limit etc right?

    • @blackterminal
      @blackterminal Před rokem

      ​@@Vousie have a distance limit. Artificial

    • @Vousie
      @Vousie Před rokem

      @@blackterminal ? I know the drones have an artificial height limit, but the goggles AFAIK don't have any limits other than the ~13km distance limit that's very hard to hit anyway. Is this correct?

    • @blackterminal
      @blackterminal Před rokem

      @@Vousie I believe the distance limit is artificial. It could potentially go further I believe . It's fine I can't afford it anyway

    • @Vousie
      @Vousie Před rokem

      @@blackterminal Well, with extremely directional antennas, but that's extremely far. The drones are more the issue where they limit you to I think 50m in some circumstances...

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Před rokem

    Fantastic testing and comparison, Joshua! Thanks!!! 😃
    It would be really interesting to see the graphs of DJI in 25 Mbit as well, compared to Walksnail!
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @seekerfpv
    @seekerfpv Před rokem

    This is what I need right now. I would like to do an upgrade to one of these systems!

  • @johnnyrocket3200
    @johnnyrocket3200 Před rokem +12

    I don't like DJIs Corporate behavior. They might always deliver the better quality and performance, but I'd rather rely on someone who's closer to the community. So I'm going to buy walksnail in Jan or Feb.

  • @gingerdude94
    @gingerdude94 Před rokem +2

    Super useful if you're in the market for a new system. Me, I'll stay with my dji V1 goggle and Vista as it's plenty good enough already.

  • @MysteryD
    @MysteryD Před rokem +1

    Fantastic comparison video. Very well done.

  • @baptiste_nonat
    @baptiste_nonat Před rokem +1

    just want to point at the fact that the TX antenna is on the top of the walksnail goggles. so we could expect better results by putting a patch on this sea connector instead of the two bottom ones... still, the quality of the o3 is great while always being too dark or too bright. I believe run cam split cameras didn't work because of the fact that you can't really film and have a good quality reception at the same time. I've ordered my walksnail goggles during the November sales and really not disappointed with them. I tried putting the patch antenna on the tx connector and it had better penetration... THANKS Joshua for those awesome tests because they can really show us what to expect from each system ! keep it up

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      I just want to point at the fact that I swapped my UFL connectors internally so my TX connector is on the front. :-) But I didn't think to mention this in the video, so you can be forgiven for not knowing.

  • @ndcapper
    @ndcapper Před rokem

    Great comparison! All HD systems are great when you compare to the pile of analog comparison videos where JB flew the road.

  • @jaydistrict
    @jaydistrict Před rokem

    Very nice!

  • @LetsFlyRC
    @LetsFlyRC Před rokem +12

    Awesome job - hard to argue with your test results in this scenario.
    I still feel like the WalkSnail and DJI systems perform better with 4 x-airs, but, I am happy to see you upgraded the drone antenna, also this time. :)
    I plan to do a similar - less graphed out - less scientific range test of the 3 systems in my stomping grounds, also, soon. :)
    I always fly in 25mbps 700mw on both dji and walksnail, because I typically fly with others. Maybe this is why I always brag about WalkSnail - because I never fly dji in 50mbps. :)

  • @jakobdingsbums5661
    @jakobdingsbums5661 Před rokem +2

    I preordered the vrx. I only have my 720 p cobra x googles, but I hope, like you said that, that it shoudnt matter to much.

  • @seanconnolly2179
    @seanconnolly2179 Před rokem +14

    I can’t believe how good walksnail looks I can’t wait to get my vrx module 🎉

    • @bengordon7635
      @bengordon7635 Před rokem

      I am waiting for 1080 by 1440 at 120 fps before I make the switch The RunCam Phoenix 2 is about the best cam for analog .. reall want to switch but it would have to be crystal clear at 120 fps for me to spend $1000 on googles and vtx

  • @fpvhead4312
    @fpvhead4312 Před rokem +1

    I currently fly hdzero with corbra x goggles. I ordered walksnail standalone bundle, hope i don't regret it.

  • @videsat
    @videsat Před rokem

    Pushed like at the very start 😁

  • @SpawnzFPV
    @SpawnzFPV Před rokem +2

    Really like my Walksnail system. 100% worth the money, in my opinion. Can't wait for the future to see what's next for the system.

    • @creationlabsinc.189
      @creationlabsinc.189 Před rokem +5

      It’s a good system. They all are. It’s a good time to be in fpv

    • @kwaaaa
      @kwaaaa Před rokem

      @@creationlabsinc.189 Well said, so many options, so many players in the game.

    • @cobynweston8124
      @cobynweston8124 Před rokem

      @@creationlabsinc.189 this is the true takeaway. Whichever you choose, whatever the reason for your choice, you’ll get a good digital FPV experience

  • @zefixx6659
    @zefixx6659 Před rokem

    Wow, nice work! In case of the O3 Air Unit the image with the Goggles V2 look stuttering and washed out. The Goggles 2 are looking absolutely beautiful. I am impressed by the Walksnail system too. Looks like you can totaly use it now compared to DJI V1. But O3 is from another world.

  • @aphinion
    @aphinion Před rokem +1

    I really struggle with the breakup behaviour of the caddx vista... the stuttering, randomly blurring parts of the pic out (especially my dark shadowy woodway I need to see) and the really slow recovery... In comparison the breakup behaviour of the O3 is amazing. Very quick recovery, evenly blurrying out screen, it appears to also not stutter or drop the latancy significantly. This is a pretty interesting choice to look at...

  • @jamesmichaelcabrera9613

    Your the best

  • @cheechfpv
    @cheechfpv Před rokem

    Great Video as usual JB. My takeaway from this informative video is that if you want the best possible range and penetration O3 AU is the best. But overall I still believe the V1 Vista is winner because it has lower overall latency than both systems, maintains 50mbps bit rate, and is less likely to overheat in hot weather.

    • @CoreyFPV
      @CoreyFPV Před rokem

      Yeah, love the vista and swapped out my original air units for it. Never lost signal anywhere with them. It's a weight thing too, as the og AU was a chunk to lug about.

  • @10fantic
    @10fantic Před rokem +2

    The V2’s still kick ass. Honestly still can’t go wrong with them.

  • @sunsetpark_fpv
    @sunsetpark_fpv Před rokem +7

    Walksnail has greatly improved image quality in a few months.....now they must improve their data transfer stability.....clearly they are not as good as DJI but they have shown a LOT of promise

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +1

      Agree.

    • @ZenoErwt
      @ZenoErwt Před rokem

      @@JoshuaBardwell just looking at mbps does not really say all that much though. With the correct algorithm better quality could be pushed through lower mbps. Also actual latency should be taken into account, it is a tradeoff

  • @ham003latechedu
    @ham003latechedu Před rokem +3

    Patiently waiting for walksnail to add a hdmi or analog in so you can use any camera you want 👅

  • @ThePetersand
    @ThePetersand Před rokem +3

    Josh, this FW is 1 month old the newest from last week(5days old) is even better and RF is much more reliable. I was flying recently with 1 broken antenna on it and had extremely decent outcome(max 40ms latency) sure, full of studders and mB rate was all over the place but totally Flyable when you endit up with no other choice or different qwad. Plus now full canvas from osd can be seen in DVR.(and it is actually Official FW).
    Ps.love your videos and following for years(4+).
    Regards from cooold London.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +6

      I just checked caddx discord server and website and it looks to me like 28.32.10 is still the latest stable. 29.x is beta. I discuss this in the video. When I tested beta walksnail firmware in the past, the results would change because walksnail released a new beta very fast, and sometimes it was worse than the one I tested. So I stopped testing walksnail betas. I don't want to put in 3 days of work to release a video and have it be invalid the day I release it.

    • @ThePetersand
      @ThePetersand Před rokem +1

      @@JoshuaBardwell i completely understand your point. However when I was installing mine FW 29.xx.xx it was on their official website tagged as an official. Maybe they changed next day.? Donno. 100% was as saying. Just checked and it is official. However I understand where you coming from. Regards JB

  • @Rcschim
    @Rcschim Před rokem

    Great video - I'm a bit late but there you have it ;) I would have visualized the SRT files a bit nicer - you know me, but I guess my script somehow didn't work for you..
    would be interesting to see if walksnail cought up by now. greets, Mario

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      I wasn't able to get your script to work on walksnail srt. Maybe it was. My mistake. So I just did it in excel.

  • @aerialimagery3216
    @aerialimagery3216 Před rokem +1

    Great video comparing everything!
    What do you prefer for freestyle/ your daily driver now, vista or 03 and V2 or goggles 2?

  • @user-lu2cy9xv2z
    @user-lu2cy9xv2z Před rokem +2

    Thank you Joshua, it's very informative. I have a question: why on v2 goggles color are much better than on o3 and image quality is also better on v2? when you fly above the asphalt it's clearly seen that v2 has no blockiness on the asphalt, but o3 shows asphalt pretty blocky and blurred..

  • @RyanQuellet
    @RyanQuellet Před rokem +4

    I really like the graphs you created from the SRT files. Can you make a graph of the O3 system Mbps and Latency vs time for the v2 goggles?

    • @lemonsquareFPV
      @lemonsquareFPV Před rokem +2

      Joshua, I'm also super curios on the OG DJI VS O3 comparison charts! On the V2 goggle.
      Interesting to see how DJI prioritizes image quality through retransmission and Avatar on latency stability. Very interesting indeed!

  • @aerialimagery3216
    @aerialimagery3216 Před rokem +1

    Been flying the 03 air unit for a week with V2 goggles and love the improved image quality over over the Og vista and air unit.
    I have been move them happy to ditch my session 5 for the on board recording. No more SD card slow error! :)

  • @modquad18
    @modquad18 Před rokem

    Hope the O3 shadow detail is better irl

  • @ianwisner249
    @ianwisner249 Před rokem +3

    You should cover remote ID and how the FCC is changing the hobby. xjet had a great video covering it and awareness is key in fighting back against the FCC regulations.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      I have done a ton of content about RemoteID. Just search my channel and the Livestream Clips channel.

  • @jefjabs
    @jefjabs Před rokem +5

    I wish walksnail firmwares will go opensource.

    • @Voyajer.
      @Voyajer. Před rokem +3

      Same. More open source options the better. Currently it's analog or HDZero, adding Walksnail would be great.

  • @kevinfranquenouille
    @kevinfranquenouille Před rokem +1

    @joshua Bardwell, try with the 26.32.10. The one you have tested is just good for quality video not for penetration test. The one that i've give you give us better result !

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      I'm going to keep testing the latest stable that walksnail releases.

  • @Dr_Disintegrator
    @Dr_Disintegrator Před rokem +1

    good review. looks like I'll stick with my old DJI system with 720p goggles and WTF OS, not upgrading to new firmware which takes features away... Maybe Walksnail will be worth switching to when my DJI gear finally dies from old age.

  • @Gabriel-qh5yv
    @Gabriel-qh5yv Před rokem +4

    You know Joshua it is so intresting in today FPV everyone do to high latency with DJI and low latency with ELrs 😂 like flying characteristics of fast egal flying with slow reaction of a turtle vision 😂all marketing.... i have crossfire with me DJI for cruising and for fast freestyle analog fpv with elrs best combination

  • @kyleessert6025
    @kyleessert6025 Před rokem

    Where can I get the updated antennas for the fat shark avatars? Links? And thanks for your help.

  • @DanielBarrios83
    @DanielBarrios83 Před rokem +1

    I have DJI and Walksnail... And the Premium feeling that DJI gives is on another level... Walksnail is great and I used a lot to fly mini whoops, It's a lot of fun

  • @greekzozobra
    @greekzozobra Před rokem

    @JoshuaBardwell ,
    Can you please add to the video description what you used in addition to the USB HDMI cable in order to capture the video using your laptop?
    E.g. video capture adapter, software installed on the laptop
    Thanks!

  • @miquelmarti6537
    @miquelmarti6537 Před rokem +1

    Not quite the expected digital quality, I would say. I found the walksnail colours to be quite pale. I'v seen HDZero videos with quite better image, but the range cannot be compared.
    BTW great graph/chart !

  • @Smellslikegelfling
    @Smellslikegelfling Před rokem

    Will the Fatshark Dominator HD pair with with DJI drones off the shelf?

  • @geekionizado
    @geekionizado Před rokem +1

    Can you talk about manufacturing problems? My walksnail Vtx smoked for no reason then I bought another and it also smoked 😔, walksnail said they would replace ONE but I needed to send BOTH.

  • @SebastienChedalBornu
    @SebastienChedalBornu Před rokem

    From what I saw on your video/graph walksnail got worse borate at 50 than it does at 25mbits/sec.
    So from what I saw I know I'll be using 25mbits/sec as it's more consistent and get better lowest nitrate and even latency

  • @HisMaj23
    @HisMaj23 Před rokem

    New E-Bike?!? :D

  • @guyrandom6151
    @guyrandom6151 Před 9 měsíci

    so either goggles is compatible with any fpv camera you used same drone ? or each time you build a a new drone you have to stick with same system

  • @Sajtospuding
    @Sajtospuding Před rokem

    I guess the toothpick - walksnail video is still not on youtube, right? :) (or I am missing something)

  • @adee737
    @adee737 Před rokem +1

    I want to go digital soon, the only reason I'm going walksnail is because of the 1s vtx, I don't know why dji don't make one

  • @tweekFPV
    @tweekFPV Před rokem

    👍🏻👍🏻

  • @vikingeatchicken571
    @vikingeatchicken571 Před rokem

    Can i used my dji googles v2 with my cinelog 20 with walksnail avatar?

  • @MysteryD
    @MysteryD Před rokem +1

    Is the O3 air unit DVR footage being presented at 24 frames per second? Sorry if you mentioned it during the video, I was skipping around.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      It's presented in 60 fps because that's the max that YT will show. The native recording rate is whatever the goggles are running at--120fps or 60 fps for V2 and 100 fps or 60 fps for Goggles 2.

    • @MysteryD
      @MysteryD Před rokem +2

      @@JoshuaBardwell your video on youtube is presented at 60fps. You can frame-by-frame with the (period) key on your keyboard. With 30fps footage, and this CZcams video being 60fps, you should see a new frame every 2nd press of the period key. However, during that footage, you get a new frame every 2nd press, and occasionally every third press, indicating that the presented footage is in fact less than 30 frames per second. I was guessing when I asked if it was 24.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +3

      I just double checked and it looks like the file coming off the SD card was 25 fps. I can't really explain that though. The parameters of the goggles were definitely set as noted for the test.
      EDIT: and the Goggles 2 DVR is 50 fps, which I'm guessing they're doing bc they don't want to encode 100fps so they're dropping every other frame?
      Sadly, I can't think of a better option to record the G2 goggles since they don't support HDMI out. For the V2 goggles, we could use widefpv website to record the raw feed and I think that would give the full fps (but have not confirmed yet). But then we wouldn't get the SRT file to get latency info.

  • @MyKidFPV
    @MyKidFPV Před rokem

    Were you able to set the time and date? I bought the walksnail 1S VTX in a BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD with the Avatar goggles. All the video files are 12-31-1999 23:59. I thought i just needed to set the time and date but I can't figure out how to do it. Then I read they don't support it?

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      Yes correct they don't have a real-time clock on the vTX so all the files are just dated the same.

  • @maro0016
    @maro0016 Před rokem +2

    Update from Europe: it applies also outside the USA & DJI is forcing also remote ID in the EU…

    • @maro0016
      @maro0016 Před rokem

      Actually I was wrong about that. I had the issue with my first flight. Than it stopped…

  • @psguardian
    @psguardian Před rokem

    This is a great side by side by side. Have you, or Chris, done this with HDZero & either of these systems?

    • @creationlabsinc.189
      @creationlabsinc.189 Před rokem +2

      Personally owning all the systems, hdzero is in a league of its own. It’s better than analog but can’t hold a candle to wslksnail or Dji and with the release of the 03 forget about it because it’s galaxies ahead. Think of hdzero as a racers product and nothing more.

  • @jmcjmc5587
    @jmcjmc5587 Před rokem

    can you update the test with the vista with O3 protocol (new fimware).

  • @zandolifpv
    @zandolifpv Před rokem +2

    Walksnail appears to be prioritizing latency over bitrate.

  • @IanF-FPV
    @IanF-FPV Před rokem

    Key operative statement….WS isn’t there YET!!….This system is barely 6 months old. They have plenty of time to catch up with continuing fw updates. Not sure if DJI has any more plans for the old Vista with fw updates or new cameras.

  • @blackjungle308
    @blackjungle308 Před rokem +3

    Anyone else went "FROG!!!" at 8:36 ?

  • @ChrisHarmon1
    @ChrisHarmon1 Před rokem +1

    When you say "add" 5ms, is this at the screens full transition? I know a normal IPS/VA display panel can take 5 to 10ms to transition but OLED is closer to 0.1 to 1ms. This may be the difference between actual vs reported in goggles if the processor is measuring before sending off to display.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      To first bright pixel. Full frame is even longer. Look at 11 minutes into this video czcams.com/video/RdzTcvRw8LY/video.html

    • @ChrisHarmon1
      @ChrisHarmon1 Před rokem +1

      ​@@JoshuaBardwell My answer at exactly 11:30. You are the man, thank you.

  • @blackterminal
    @blackterminal Před rokem

    Price difference is important. Please can you include it in any video. Thanks for this interesting review

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      I often don't focus on price because it's so subjective. It's not like a line of video cards (for example) where you can calculate the dollars-per-performance in an objective way and see if something is a good value compared to the competition. How much more are you willing to pay for digital vs. analog? It's very subjective.
      Also, prices change very fast in this field, so today's price is likely to be out of date in just a month or two.

    • @blackterminal
      @blackterminal Před rokem

      @@JoshuaBardwell thanks for your reply. I understand price isn't your focus but even if you mentioned " as of today it's xyz dollars ". I can afford neither but it still interests me

  • @johnnyrocket3200
    @johnnyrocket3200 Před rokem +1

    What happened to HDR? I feel like the cameras can't handle Sun blindings anymore. Walksnail and DJI...!!!

  • @pornzi
    @pornzi Před rokem +1

    @Joshua Bardwell can you feel the latency difference between G2 and G v2 on the 03 AU?

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      No but I'm not doing any flying that is heavily latency sensitive.

    • @pornzi
      @pornzi Před rokem

      @@JoshuaBardwell thanks champ. I might bite the bullet and grab a set. I'm on V1 currently but keen to move on 🙂

  • @leoponce82ponce
    @leoponce82ponce Před rokem +3

    i was hoping for the graphs for DJI O3 vs DJI V2

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      DJI O3 can't make graphs because it doesn't record SRT files with latency and Mbps.

    • @leoponce82ponce
      @leoponce82ponce Před rokem +1

      @@JoshuaBardwell my bad

  • @gregorydahl
    @gregorydahl Před rokem

    The walksnail is a fixed 25mW. 200mW vtx the fatsharks 03 has more vtx's available ? Thats what i want . 200mW is for inside only

  • @TheFruitcake1983
    @TheFruitcake1983 Před rokem

    When DJI released the Avata, they positioned the Goggles2 only for this drone with no option to use anywhere else. I went out and bought Walksnail because of their compactness, the first version of DJI's goggles I didn't want to get because of the size. And recently DJI is releasing the O3 compatible with Goggles2 and moreover just recently making them compatible with Vista. And what kind of policy is it to say that there will be no compatibility and then make a release of a device which is compatible with these goggles? Basically I am happy with my purchase of the Walksnail, the glasses fit my face well but Goggles2 is said to have issues with them.

    • @CoreyFPV
      @CoreyFPV Před rokem

      The question about backwards compatibility was asked straight away on release in the DJI Forums and across the community. They acknowledged the question, but didn't give a 100% FW update date. People were surprised when they put it out and saw the compatibility was now there. Feel your pain though about going WS possibly because of this dude. The issues with face fit with the G2's are even worse than they were with the release of the V1 @ V2's though. The nose pinching being the stand out issue. yes you can get different foam and whatever, but who do they test the fit with ????? I know peoples faces are all different sizes and all, but they must test it on a wider range of people and face shapes/sizes ?

    • @TheFruitcake1983
      @TheFruitcake1983 Před rokem

      @@CoreyFPV The Chinese themselves complained that it stiffens the nose. On whom they tested it is a good question.

  • @gregorydahl
    @gregorydahl Před rokem

    The walksnail has one maximum vtx power setting only ?

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      The Walksnail can use 25 mW, 200, 500, 700, 1000, 1200mW.

  • @R.B_B
    @R.B_B Před rokem

    What Walksnail need os HDMI input!

  • @dannehnyu2369
    @dannehnyu2369 Před rokem

    Wpuld the new pro cam from walksnail be any different?

  • @WR3ND
    @WR3ND Před rokem

    Thanks. Now I'm wondering about latency on the Goggles 2 with the new firmware and 120 fps.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      Goggles 2 cannot do 120fps. The OLED panel is capped at 100 fps.

    • @WR3ND
      @WR3ND Před rokem

      That's what I had heard, but saw another video out today saying they implemented backwards compatibility on them outside of the beta drivers now and 120 fps. 🤔

    • @WR3ND
      @WR3ND Před rokem

      Either way, thanks for the reply. Might have just been interpreting the other video incorrectly or something. Cheers.

  • @lorenzofiderio7625
    @lorenzofiderio7625 Před rokem

    Su walksnail l'antenna TX e una direzionale o la omnidirezionale?

  • @visioneerone
    @visioneerone Před rokem +1

    > sets playback resolution to 2160p60
    [ CPU FAN NOISE INTENSIFIES ]

  • @XtianApi
    @XtianApi Před rokem

    Hey JB, don't read this comment unless you want to read a video nerd out. Kind of for fun, with a nit pick. You do great work.
    I'm going to be that guy who nitpicks something.
    So video is a place I can provide professional input :
    This may not apply much to the software you are using but it still could apply to viewers and my alternative may also have this problem anyway. If I were to take my DaVinci Resolve output processing render farm and have 720p video output at 4k, the software, which is very very good, would take that 720p video and upscale, much like your software has. It do advanced interpolation to turn pixels into smooth 4k lines. I don't say AI interpolation because I don't think your software is likely usually machine learning to do its interpolation, but I don't know.
    Anyway, these days this software is so good, I mean truly remarkable, even in cheap software, that the 4k signal doesn't look to far off from native.
    So, there is a case to be made for uploading 720p native at extremely high, lossless bitrates. In fact, you may find that CZcams would step on your video less, had it not been in 4k, and preserved your 720p stream better. Yes I know that less sentence now makes 4k sound worst. But you can see how it becomes a nightmare to control. 4k, wonderful up scaling, but CZcams steps down more, who knows.
    Plus you'd may have this issue anyway, because of you upload native 720, people's devices with 4k screen will do their own up scaling, but in that case, at least not nearly as good.
    I think I'm going to write a disclaimer at the top saying don't read my comment unless you want to. Lol. Thanks as always informative sir.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +1

      The way I understand it, YT re-encodes everything and allocates bitrate based on resolution. So a 720p file will only get 12 Mbps VBR or whatever they assign to it, even if you upload a 100 Mbps 720p file. The reason this works is that YT allocates something like 45 Mbps to 4k files, so if you upres a 720p file, you end up 4k pixels in the file but only 720p "real" pixels of information for the encoder to deal with. A bunch of the pixels are just duplicates of adjacent pixels, which is very easy for the encoder to deal with. And the result is the closest thing we have to forcing YT to show a high-bitrate 720p file.
      You can test this yourself. Take a 720p file, export it at 50 Mbps, then export it at 4k 50 Mbps and upload both files to YT and see which one looks better. Make sure the file has lots of motion so the encoder has to actually work.

    • @XtianApi
      @XtianApi Před rokem

      @@JoshuaBardwell excellent!
      You're right, I didn't consider the huge bitrate hit you'd take because YT judges based only on resolution. I didn't realize that. Kind of a bummer of them. High bitrate 720 or 1080 is great. Nice big pixels.
      In my world compression requirements are... Smarter? Idk. Real?
      Lol
      Thank you sir. My elrs is almost here. So excited.
      Going to go video soon. Analog is meh, especially for what I want to do

  • @Raydio6
    @Raydio6 Před rokem

    I’m still flying with my V1 goggles
    A few months back all the drones I have with vista units stopped getting any range.. really bizarre
    I’m thinking about getting the new goggles.. all the drones with vistas and v1 air units will work with the new goggles(which should be called the v3🤦‍♂️😂)
    That should solve the issue.. and I want to grab a new 03 quad.. I know the dji quads make you enable remote ID but the prebuilt quads like an iFlight evoque don’t make you do it right?
    Think I’m gonna go head and grab the new system(integra goggles)
    I want use the new dji remote that way it’s all a closed system(I use the dji remote right now with all my drones)
    Might need to watch a video on that see what everyone thinks.. if the rang and latency is there I’ll use that
    Thanks for your videos Bardwell
    I always know I’m “gonna learn something”

  • @cflin4637
    @cflin4637 Před rokem

    That video breakup with the fatsharks reminds me of tripping on acid or some good ecstasy.

  • @sgcdialler
    @sgcdialler Před rokem +1

    Assuming that Walksnail is reporting their latency correctly, it looks like Walksnail's reception algorithm is prioritizing the maintenance of the latency at the expense of bitrate, in comparison to DJI. Walksnail's latency is consistently around 10-11ms, where DJI is always 11-16ms. We need to bear in mind that Walksnail is probably, to a certain extent at least, also trying to compete with HDZero. Where HDZero claims always-low latency with significant compromise on HD Image quality, DJI has taken the opposite approach, and prioritized image quality above all else. Walksnail seems to be positioning themselves somewhere in the middle. Ultimately that leaves FPV fliers with three different choices, and can choose to suit their needs.
    Who knows? Perhaps Walksnail will come out with a firmware in the future that will allow switchable priority for people that want to swap between latency and image quality preferences.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +1

      Walksnail reported latency is at least 5 ms faster than actual measurements. When it's reporting 21 ms, measurements are closer to 28 or 30.

  • @thiagotrevisandesouza6895

    What about long range, I mean over 10km. I think walksnail do a better job getting 40km against 13km from DJI.
    Is it correct ?

    • @anthonyfpvminiquad1728
      @anthonyfpvminiquad1728 Před rokem +1

      Wezley has already stated o3 can go insanely far. He went 22km on stock antenna and the link was still good

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +2

      The 3 km limit isn't there when using O3. It may also be removed for Vista with the new 01.01 firmware but that only works with goggles 2.

  • @JappyJan
    @JappyJan Před rokem +2

    sad that jb is missing the setup that matches most "group flyers"... as soon as you fly in groups you most likely would use 700mW at 25mbs to not disturb each other as well as have 7 channels for people to fly in... in my experience this is where walksnail really shines and even outperforms dji sometimes...
    but yes, in 1.2W or even just the 50mbs mode dji wins as walksnail still didnt fix them, bey are both kinda broken ^^

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +3

      That's a good point. I'll have to remember that next time.

  • @4brigger
    @4brigger Před rokem +1

    I cannot find a review for the goggles 2 on your channel. Am I missing it?

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +1

      czcams.com/video/OugMoITCZSs/video.html

    • @4brigger
      @4brigger Před rokem

      @Joshua Bardwell thank you, am I still missing something? the title seems to indicate it's a review of the air unit, anyway; thanks again

  • @Perceivedshift
    @Perceivedshift Před rokem

    Walksnail does seem like a good option now, which is good, options are always good. But man....when I saw the image of the O3...hot dang....and the range just destroys walksnail and the original DJI goggles.

  • @klodimtb
    @klodimtb Před rokem

    Hello! Can anyone help if the version 0607 of goggle v2 can be hacket for better signal? Like 700 ore 1200mw

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      Yes the 1200 mW and FCC hacks work as usual on this firmware.

    • @klodimtb
      @klodimtb Před rokem

      @@JoshuaBardwell thnx you deserv pantreon subscripton for all work here. 🏆

  • @xforce9927
    @xforce9927 Před rokem +6

    Test 5: o3 is clearly not 120fps, its not even 60fps, looks more like maybe 30fps, test 6 shows a higher frame rate despite it should be less 100fps vs 120fps, overall much better picture quality compared to test 5

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem +3

      The file coming off the SD card seems to be 25 fps. I can't really explain that but I'll surely look into it further :-/

  • @reub-topia2656
    @reub-topia2656 Před rokem

    I fly DJI and love it. Glad it is still holding up as compared to the new systems. Question though, I use the V1 goggles, will the new Air 03 still work with them?

  • @badrx5783
    @badrx5783 Před rokem +1

    I think you also should've mentioned the INAV compatibility, something that we care for long range flights. I cannot understand why DJI ruined an excellent feature that was achived in the previous generation.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Před rokem

      This is mostly just a comparison of the image quality and range, not a whole system comparison. I'm working on that video too.