How Rick Grimes Ultimately Became Worse Than Shane
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Shane realized that surviving in this world requires making the hard decisions and that’s what he tired to explain to everyone. Unfortunately he adapted too fast and came off as the villain and that ultimately lead to his demised
You hit the nail on the head right there my friend
Shane was ahead of the timez
Wrong Shane was a rapist and just wanted Lori for himself, enough to be killed for her. He sucks.
@Pain Stream Highlights Lori was trash character who couldn’t decide if she wanted Shane gone or not. Nothing unusual to be watchful over the woman who will bear his child
@Pain Stream Highlights wrong. On the farm Lori told Shane he should stay with the group after he was about to leave. Garbage char that Lori. I'm glad she was liquidated early on
Shane's time on the show was short but sweet. He served his purpose, he ultimately helped shape Rick into the survivor he became.
Also shaped Judith into the survivor she is today
@@SpaceAntiquity28 lol
@@SpaceAntiquity28 nah. Shane may have been her father, but he wasn't her daddy
Facts. That's why he showed up in season 9.and woke his ass up
@@sheldonjr7194 i understood that GOTG2 reference!
The real problem with Shane is that he is impulsive and lacks self-control. He is: passionate, charismatic, and a good fighter, but he was always a vastly inferior leader to Rick because he didn't think things through enough; also, he viewed *EVERYONE* except for himself, lori, and carl, to be meatshields(making him more of an opportunist then a leader).
so true, one could say rather than seeing people as people he sees them as a resource
@natvelo is that a reminder that Negan also saw people as recourses?
Exactly. He was never 'always right'. That's crazy - even being generally right like Rick admits, he was clearly written as an antagonist to even the ppl he was looking out for
I firmly disagree. I'm not even sure who you're talking about. Shane was ahead of the curve and a mess when it came to Lori, BUT to say that distinguishes himself from Rick whenever Rick has had just as many meltdowns and insane moments that genuinely scared people??? It's hard to keep a level head when you're in love, just look at Rick in Alexandria: doing the SAME things Shane was doing. Shane always thought things through and led the group-- until Lori executed her manipulation that led to Shane's so-called "thoughtlessness." No one was ever on his side, and he was always compromising with Rick, even after disagreeing. Shane was a leader of the group and was glad Rick was alive but was hurt that Lori "disowned" him. Shane loved Rick, Carl, and Lori and Lori kept sparking friction between all of that.
That's survival, why not use the others if it means you and the ones you love might die.
The difference is Shane abandoned people instantly, while Rick never truly did abandon his people. Shane was all about no risk for their group, while Rick would risk himself to a reasonable degree for his group
Agree
when did shane abandon someone? Otis? That had to be done, and rick eventually agreed with it. Shane was 100 percent right when it came to survival
@@phyzyc6765when half of the group was trapped in the department store in Atlanta when we all know Rick would’ve went back
@@phyzyc6765 You should rewatch the show. Shane abandons people at every corner. Every decision that doesn't directly benefit himself, he will argue against.
Is he right when it comes to survival? What is survival? Is it only mitigating the risk for yourself or for the group? Shane is all about himself. Rick is all about the group.
it sounds like YOU didn't watch the show.
Shane killed Otis to save Carl, and this decision was even agreed with by Rick. Shane is the ONLY reason Carl lived. AND, Shane told Otis to leave before they left the school.
Shane was right about the barn. He proposed that they either leave or handle it. Why would you want your family to sleep next to barn full of zombies? What if one slips out? (this happened at the prison when the kid turned in the showers and went on and bit people in s4). Hershal wasn't agreeing so, and Rick didn't want to leave. It had to be done. You can't argue this.
Shane led the group to safety after the fall. Things only fell apart after Rick showed up. Rick wanted to take his muscle to save a racist, who wasn't even there. This left the camp weak, and they got attacked right as Rick got there. THAT WAS ON RICK. You can't argue this. Shane told Rick not to go, but he went anyway. Let's be fucking forreal. Fuck Merle, he chose his fate. He's not worth leaving people vulnerable.
He was right about randall too. The kid SHOT AT RICK. He made that decision. Rick wanted to let him go without thinking that if he came back with his men, game was over for everyone in his group. Shane was proven right when Randall confessed to him that he knew where everyone was. Shit, he even did it in the episode 18 miles out. He said he knew who maggie was. That meant he knew where the farm was. Rick cant afford to spare this kid's life. It's too risky. You can't argue this
@@Rayzan1000
I feel really bad for Rick, dude literally lost his wife, his kid, his best friend, his very close friends, his homes.
Everyone in walking dead did!
@@kunalkashelani585 exactly!!!
@@kunalkashelani585 I mean, he lost that much and still able to lead his whole group? That's next level.
Don’t forget his son nearly got r*ped
And his job as lead actor on the show!
I believe the difference between Rick and Shane highlighted in how easily Shane decided to sacrifice Otis to save himself. At that point, he lost his conscience. How many more of the people who eventually became the family unit would Shane have been willing to sacrifice to save himself? Would Shane have gone to save Maggie and Glen from the Governor or make a decision for example to go looking for Beth? How often would he have put himself in the face of danger to save others?
I mean tbf he told Otis to take the Things and Go. He would've gave his Life for Carl. He sacrificed Otis because Carl would've died if they didnt hurry up and also if they bith died
Hetore rht he told otis to go but otis said no so he got popped
And Shane was also going to kill Dale. He also wanted to just take the farm from Herschel. Shane was willing to kill members of his own group way too easily. It was way more than just him wanting to kill his best friend so he could have his wife and son. In the end, Rick was willing to kill enemies to protect his group. Shane was willing to kill who didn't see things the same way he did
@@snickerskaiser7358 How can you say he would have given his lift for Carl when you don't have that evidence? He shot Otis and not himself. Rick would have found a way to get them both out. that's the difference
@@lucasvasiliou9227 Wdym? He wanted to give him his Backpack anf said just Go. He declined insisting they both make it out and Shane is very Smart knowing there is no Way out and so decided to kill him and sacrifice Otis because at least one had to make it out. There is Evidence if you watch the Episode
I forgot where I read it, but apparently Shane's death was supposed to be even more profound that it already was. Apparently, because Shane couldn't have Lori, Shane was gonna have a stand off with Rick where he points an empty gun at him, forcing Rick to kill him to become hardened, but to also make him realize that he never wanted to kill him. He wanted to make him stronger.
The comics Rick’s son kills Shane.
@@Will-tn8kq and then rick killed zombie shane
But that didn't happen the gun was loaded.
@@Will-tn8kq oh wow, they switched it
Shane’s actor, Jon bernthol stated this at a convention (I think I’m going off memory). It’s really interesting seeing how the interaction between Rick and Shane could’ve gone. I wish we got that ending for Shane, but I’m fine with the one we got.
respectfully, could not disagree more with you. Shane to me is the type of person that evolves into a Negan, whereas Rick still cares about doing the right thing even late in the show. at no point in the show’s run could i see Rick killing Otis as a distraction.
Yessssssss THIS is what I think a lot of people forget that even at his “darkest” he doesn’t tear someone else down in order to survive.
exactly man. i don’t know how people think of rick and shane as alike? rick is a LEADER. yes he did some bad things, but it’s all about survival now. he wasn’t going around trying to r*pe people and trying to ruin groups.
@@shantayshapeprah4661 well Rick gave up on his own word when he promised the saviors at the bar that they would be forgiven and could become part of their people only to stab them in back. While they saved him. That was Ricks lowest point for me. Without your word a man is nothing. You can lose everything but you always gotta be a man of your word.
Completely agree! Season 5 shows parallels of Rick and Shane but Rick over comes his experiences and still wants to be good at heart, Shane had lost all morales imo
@@brandonsantiago2298 What choice did he have? Joining them or letting them live would surely end in disaster. He did nothing wrong.
Although Shane did come to the realization of the new world faster, that wasn't what got him killed----- he was obsessed with Lori and Carl and would manipulate Rick and others to get his way with them. Shane was ultimately dangerous and unstable and instead of looking out for the group, he would look after Lori and Carl. That's what got Shane killed.
Don't forget the scene where he was going to leave. But lori, aka show thot begged him too stay.
I agree. Shane was both right and wrong. The series is an escalation of villains. While Shane was right about the world and what it'd take to survive, he was the villain.
What got him killed is he wanted to replace Rick because he had the expectation Rick was already dead. Judiths existence meant there was really no way to resolve the situation and 1 had to go. Shane was willing to protect the group though he had prioritys. Remember this is earlier in the apocalypse Shane knew all these people for like 2 months. Shane would have started getting attached to the rest of the group with more time just like Rick did. At the end of season 2 Rick is not on good terms with the group and they are essentially prisoners of his who don't run because they have no alternatives.
exactly. I don’t understand why people praise him so much. Sure, he was ahead of the curve, but he was still unhinged.
This is the main point that the dope who made this video missed.
Shane was still obsessing over Laurie. Can't underscore that enough when comparing the two. Thats why we didn't root for Shane. If he was just chill about his boys wife everything else he was doing would have been seen differently.
When Rick became Shane the only difference was that Shane only wanted to protect Rick's family and was obsessed while Rick was family with everyone in the group. And that made him creepy and sus. But it will be better if he was alive longer.
yea probly
To be fair on Shane’s situation with Lori, she was a bit more to blame. She was pretty much using shane to get over ricks supposed death and waited until it was too late to finally reveal the truth.
@@viiofwands3076 you also have to remember how vulnerable she was. World goes to shit, thinks husband is dead, and has a son who she has to protect as a sole parent. Yes obviously still partly to blame. But Shane definitely took advantage when the opportunity was available. Lori immediately cut it off with Shane the second she saw Rick again.
@@dylanbuk7055 I can agree with that too, good response!
Let's not forget that Rick had the option to kill negan but didn't. I feel like that shows that rick and Shane could never and would never be the same. We all know Shane would have killed negan the second he got the chance but because of Morgan and Carl's Outlook and how they impacted rick, he knew for a better and civilized future he had to keep negan alive
If Shane was alive during Negan arc, we don't know who's side he would be on.
Shane would’ve got rid of the governor and negan no doubt
@@leonardglass3785 I feel like Shane would’ve been a Savior.
@@TheAtlbravos22 to think about it shane is very fit to be a savior 😂
@@leonardglass3785 As selfish-minded as Shane was, he definitely would’ve joined the Saviors. He would’ve liked how Negan wasn’t scared of Rick and used that as leverage to get in. I do agree Shane would take out Negan, but only to become leader of the Saviors himself
I personally believe Shanes obsession with carl and Lori is what got him killed more then him adapting to fast, he tried to kill rick three times too take over ricks family. like if had just dropped it he would've still been alive
People with Shane's mindset created the darkness in the world. People like Rick reacted to the world
I love this comment.
100% correct
This should be a famous quote besides the shane and Rick part
so good
Big facts right there fr
I see what you mean, but even in season 6, everyone Rick killed was in self defense, with the other person actively trying to kill him. Shane wanted to kill Rick, because he wanted Lori for himself. Rick’s reasons for murder were always way more justified than Shane’s .
I can also see your point, but I disagree with your assessment of season 6. Rick went to the Satellite station with the intent of slaughtering people in their sleep. Most of the time it was life or death, but that time it wasn’t.
@@thethriftytypewriter Oh, I'm not so sure. Rick knew these people were very bad. For one, they'd already tried to kill Daryl, Abraham and Sasha, and then he had what Jesus told him about them killing that kid and how they go around terrorizing communities. People give Rick and the group way too much shit over the satellite station kills. It seems bad to kill people you've never met...that is, until you look up at their walls and see dozens of polaroids of people with their brains splattered all over the place.
When Rick became Shane the only difference was that Shane only wanted to protect Rick's family and was obsessed while Rick was family with everyone in the group. And that made him creepy and sus.
@@kimberlywilmoth9184 finally someone who gets it. Ive seen so many people saying that the satellite station was the reason Glenn and Abraham died but we know that's not true but simply watching season 6 and 7 and listening to the different stories of people being killed by Negan or his group.
@@thethriftytypewriter Abraham, Sasha and Daryl had already had a run in with Negan’s people. Rick had a meeting with the people of the town. He told them that the only reason Negan’s group had not come for them was because they didn’t know about Alexandria. He said it was just a matter of time before they figured it out. The saviors were terrorizing and extorting everyone they ran into. They attacked the satellite station with the attempt to put a stop to it. They didn’t all stick to the plan. They were not attacking innocent people in their sleep. If Darryl hadn’t blown those men up with that bazooka, Sasha and Abraham would have been killed that day. The saviors were saying they were going to take over their camp.
He missed one very vital part that seems small, but is most likely the reason he snapped at that moment rather than slowly turning into Shane more. He forgot to mention that Carl was literally about to get violated by the claimers, and if your child is about to have his dignity taken away, then you will do anything to stop that. He bit out the guys neck to get him out of the way, and went after the guy holding Carl in a personal vendetta for almost violating his son. A detail he overlooked, but definetly a crucial one, even if it's just that one moment.
That moment doesn't mean what ppl seem to suggest about Rick like this vid bc of that context. It doesn't lend itself to any significant change of character necessarily given how understandable a reaction it really is. Hopefully apocalypse or not anyone would do the same thing in that situation to save their son
That has absolute NOTHING to do with him turning into Shane more. What would you have done if your son was being taken like Carl did? He did what anyone would have done.
Agreed. This video analysis is poor and pretty inaccurate in parts, overlooked so many variables in the comparison
Shane became heartless to the point where he would kill his best friend and mercilessly kill anyone if he felt like it was necessary. Rick never got to that point
Rick did get to that point though. He killed a whole bunch of Saviors who were sleeping and unable to defend themselves. He and Morgan slaughtered a whole bunch of them after promising to let them go (one of them even saved his life a few seconds before) both of which are actually worse than anything Shane ever did. There's also a scene in season 5 after he gets to Alexandria he's reaching for his gun when he sees Jesse with her husband Pete clearly considering shooting him. This was before he knew what an asshole he was. So yeah, Rick and Shane do eventually become two sides of the same coin.
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns those were justified 100%
@@michaellancaster7092It may seem that way too you but to those who were victims of Rick's brutality
Shane tries to kill Rick but despite how low he sunk he ultimately couldn't even go through with he had a very good opportunity to kill Rick but he didn't. Rick words were actually getting through to him but then Rick proved he is worse when he stabbed him.
@@JohnnyDominion who are dead? Pretty sure they are thinking anything
I always felt that Jon Bernthal’s energy and presence on screen was never matched once he left. You still feel
memories of Shane haunting Rick throughout the series
Bernthal did do a great job. Wonderful actor.
@@realestateservicesfromlarr9128 I first watched him in the punisher which he played after walking dead as my girlfriend got me into TWD and I am a fan of marvel first , felt as though both roles perfect for him and well executed
"Murder-beard Era" 💯💫
Perfect use of Rick's "What?" 👌
Excellent content as always!
Loved that Hershel edit, I was waiting for you to talk about that part. Good stuff!
The biggest difference between Shane and Rick is that Rick is pushed to the limit by survival, Shane is pushed to the limit by jealousy.
Yeah I can't really get behind considering Rick worse. When Rick made his first human kills in Nebraska it was because they were being hostile and he knew he had no choice. With them being aggressive it means they wouldn't hesitate to end your life, and also to put the rest of the farm in danger.
Shane justified that he killed Otis in order to make sure Carl got the supplies he needed to survive... But let's be honest it was self preservation, otherwise he'd have let Otis take them in case he died trying to get out. He was hooked on the idea of him, Laurie and Carl being one big happy family as soon as he could get rid of Rick. I felt bad for him due to Laurie sort of sweeping it under the rug once Rick showed back up, but that doesn't excuse what happened. He should have been man enough to tell his best friend, whom he saved by barricading his hospital room. Then he needed to take those feelings and move on, but he literally could not and it was his downfall.
Shane and Rick butted heads because of Shane's infatuation, that is the real reason. Even if they disagreed, a compromise most likely could have been made if Shane wasn't already biased and antagonistic against Rick. In the end Shane was afraid of losing Laurie and his life. That's why he always chose himself.
In the end Rick was still the same person at his core. He was primarily concerned with the safety of those in his group and those he considered family. He got colder as things went on because it was what he needed to do to protect people, what he felt was best. In his final episode on the show he "went out" intentionally sacrificing himself to save everyone. He did not think he would survive and has fully accepted his sacrifice. That's why in my opinion, he has never been worse than Shane. Deep down he was a good person that was forced to adapt to horrors by entertaining his darker side. He always rose back towards being a good man when given the chance.
Thank you for attending my TedTalk. 😂
Rewatch it, Shane tries to give the shit to Otis and tells him to leave him but he refused he volunteered to take one for the team of sorts first than capped him, after that's when he started to spiral completely
I 100% agree
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This is the longest no substance comment perhaps I have ever seen dawg
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A few caveats before I make my argument. I don't think Shane was entirely wrong about everything he did, particularly about the walker barn (although I agree with Andrea that the way he did it was wrong), and while I absolutely think Rick became more like Shane, was eventually presented with all of the same temptations, and even sort of succumbed to a few of them (particularly his desire for Jesse while her husband was still alive), I don't think Rick ever became worse than Shane in totality, even if some of his individual actions were more brutal in the moment due to circumstances. While ripping out the throat of that gang leader to save his friends and son was far more of an extreme action than anything Shane ever did, it is far more morally justifiable than Shane just shooting someone so he could escape, for example. I think the fundamental difference lies in the relationship they both had with their conscience. No matter what Rick became that had some similarity to Shane, unlike Shane, these impulses and vices were all tempered at one point or another by the fact that Rick still held on to his conscience, tried to guide his actions by moral principle, and surrounded himself with people who could speak into his decision-making, ask tough questions and reel him back in when he may have taken things a little too far. Shane acted for a while that he was looking out for the best interests of the group, but that dissolved pretty quickly once it became abundantly obvious that he only ever appealed to the best interest of the group when he believed that something was in his best interest first, and when those interests diverged, that's where you get Shane going half-cocked, trying to steal another man's family, and trying to kill people, including his best friend, whom he had no moral justification for killing simply because he felt like it. Unlike Rick, he was not driven by moral principle and selfless leadership that looked out for the wellbeing of his people. Shane was driven almost entirely by selfish desire at the expense of others in his own group which is ultimately why Rick killed him and why the rest of the group didn't put up much protest when Rick told them what he did. Even at his lowest points, you would have never seen Rick go out of his way to sacrifice one of his own people working toward the same goals for his own personal benefit like Shane did to Ottis. He was certainly tempted to do that, particularly when they first ran into Aaron, but he didn't. When faced with difficulty and insurmountable odds, Shane's perspective was that he was gonna get his at any cost no matter who it might harm in the process, while Rick's solution was always to overcome by pulling together for mutual benefit toward common goals. Rick's actions were multifaceted, motivated by a lot of different things, but ultimately, the common deniminator in all of his tough choices was his love for others, whether that was his love for his son, his insular group, or eventually his wider community and later his network of communities. You would have also never seen Shane even contemplate, let alone take to heart the phrase "let my mercy prevail over my wrath." While it naturally took longer for Rick, both men were confronted with the darker impulses of their nature. Both men sstared into that abyss, but in the final accounting, however, only one of them blinked and were completely consumed by it. At the very least, Rick was the one who confronted his demons and rose above them.
I agree but Shane wasn't really selfish. He did care about the group, but he really fell in love with Lori and he loved Carl, so he would do anything to keep them safe, like abondoning a search for a little girl to make sure no one gets hurt while they're searching for a little girl who is possibly dead. Shane cared about the group and always wanted to keep them together and didn't want anyone leaving by themselves. He wasn't selfish, he was jealous and he kinda went crazy thinking that Rick wasn't supposed to survive. He really thought that him and Lori were supposed to be together and that Rick wasn't built for this world of the apocalypse. He saw everything before everyone else did including Rick. If he never tried to kill Rick and he was still alive, I think that every threat and villain that our group came across would have been killed quicker because he has always seen the threat before anyone else. He loved Lori and Carl and I honestly think Lori and Carl would still be alive if Shane didn't die, and was able to move on from loving Lori on that level that he did.
@@dmof7909 Shane tried to rape Lori because she didn't want to be with him, that's pretty damn selfish. He killed Otis, so he could live, that's selfish too. He tried to kill Rick, because he wanted what Rick had, that's pretty.... Damn.... Selfish
@@dmof7909 Shane cared nothing for the group. He only cared about Lori and Carl and even then, that "love" was questionable.
Standing O for this comment, man! Absolutely correct 👍
@Pain Stream Highlightsikr, the group is the reason why shane's mental health degraded. he wanted to save everyone and they punished him for it every time. one of his most memorable lines is when he confesses he was heartbroken rick survived not because he wouldn't have lori anymore, but that he up to survive or take care of everyone.
I think a valuable point that’s been missed is the fact that Shane being “ahead” meant he was on a faster decline towards an even darker path, I do believe that if Shane had been around (relatively more in self control) the group would have developed into a stronger one, but perhaps a a group with a more aberrant view towards the world.
To put it in other words, we got to see Shane from the start, but if we had taken a closer look at other leaders in their first few months like Negan, The Governor or Alpha, I’m sure they shared plenty of the same concept of being “ahead”.
With that I don’t think It’s right to think Rick is worst now than Shane, but to ask ourselves how much more wrong would Shane have brought into the world.
This precisely. This whole concept people present of Shane "just being ahead" only works if you assume that Shane would stay more or less the same had he survived. When really, he would have likely become way worse
Rick only changed based on his experiences with several antagonists & we never got to see Shane come across any human antagonists (besides Randall) who was presumed to be a possible threat.
Yet if Shane would have lived longer, only then he would possibly have caused other people to get hurt. Or leave the group like he planned & become a Negan.
Definitely love your heart felt explanations and views of this series, as I feel much of the same way on this particular video. Keep up the good work brother.
I think the major difference between them is, that Shane could never change the way Rick did. Rick obviously had his "bad guy" moments, but he managed to keep his humanity. He always tries to protect ALL of his people which Shane would also never do.
Rick had more empathy
Why should Shane have empathy for willful weakness that gets more strong and able people killed? I have none. If people want to weaken themselves for the sake of other willful weaklings, thts why they group and bunch up together.
@@kdr129 And that mentality is what made every villain in the show the *true* weaklings.
There's a reason Rick survived and Shane didn't, and it wasn't by ruthlessly abandoning/turning on people at every turn.
@@kdr129 Edgelord
Damn, I hope they accept you into art school@@kdr129
The fact that shane killed Otis even though he wasn't someone that would be a potential danger to the group is enough to show that shane acted on his impulses and could kill good people in his own interest, because it would be easier to kill Otis to get away from those walkers than it would've been for both of them to try and overcome them. Rick is not the kind of guy that kills people because killing them might benefit him or his group. He killed people that might be or are a potential threat to his people.
Seasons 5 Rick would've killed Randall without a second thought and probably would've killed Otis as well.
Fattest one,takes up the most food
@@joshmiller9783 and you would?
@@xccxuy5hnhbvc Dale stated to Shane "This damned world fits you too well. I may not be tailored to survive very long, but I will not allow it to corrupt me."
In this case, Dale felt keeping his morals and principles up were more of a priority than survival.
@@joshmiller9783 Nah you would be a loner weirdo who would get mauled by two angry dads in their 50s
Rick was never a brutal murderer. He killed people who threatened him or his family. Shane was a murderer. Not to mention the time Dale caught him in the woods taking aim at Rick. All set to kill him to steal Rick’s family. Rick was a protecter
Didn’t rick Kill a whole group of ex-Saviors who were no threat to him even though he gave them his word?
He literally murdered random people.
I- I need to talk about the transition from talking about it getting better at the prison to hershels neck getting cut- that was amazing and sudden just like that execution was. amazing editing
Haha thank you very much!
Shane is selfish in what he does, Rick isn't
Rick was jealous of pete and wanted to kill him (before he knew he was abusive) because he was with the woman rick was interested in. Rick at that stage had the mindset to kill anyone in his way even if they werent a threat. He's similar in the way shane is towards lori.
@@the_bigsteve3516 Rick never wanted to kill Pete before he knew he was abusive. Not once was that discussed, or was that desire indicated or shown.
@@kimberlywilmoth9184 Their was a scene when pete and jesse happily strolled down the street and rick proceeds to stare pete down with his hand on his gun (that he stole)
When Rick became Shane the only difference was that Shane only wanted to protect Rick's family and was obsessed while Rick was family with everyone in the group. And that made him creepy and sus. But it will be better if he was alive longer.
@@the_bigsteve3516 good point
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@@thethriftytypewriter excuse me sir. Can you please explain every item of this table at 1:10? It seems really interesting object's. I would really appreciate if you consider making a separate video on these items. Thank you.
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He's also done way worse than Negan.
I believe the whole obsession of Shane is widly overlooked, as with the fact he killed Otis mainly because he just felt like it (they've could've escaped together). They both did horrible things, but one cared for his family and friends, the other did not. The majority of people Rick killed were saviors, crazy assholes, and whisperers.
I actually disagree with a few things about this. I think the reason Shane did what he did was somewhat different to Rick. Rick's main goal was the survival of his group, whilst Shane was more centered on what benefitted him directly.
I'd also like to point out that shane in my opinion is also worse because of a few things that he did, Rick I dont think ever killed anyone who was in their group or friendly group just because it was "The only way" when they werent trying to kill rick or anyone else, but running with them or trying to get away.
Then there's also the time when he sorta got touchy with lori in a nonconsensual way.
Ultimately, Rick has killed more people for less, but it was never his own people.
I agree with this statement you have brought here. I wanted to say, that I think when you're talking similarities between the two characters they are the same when you're looking at it from the outside. However, once you look in detail they are so different. I find it interesting how the writers never show Shane's early life or at teen days because he is a lone wolf. Lone wolf usually have some crazy back story, etc. You also can't blame Shane entirely for the situation with Lori, especially when Lori became a 50/50 type of wife. One moment she wants Shane gone and the next she wants Shane to stay. I actually think she had a complex of the one chick who likes both the good and bad boy, but keeps both around for her own mental benefits or whatever. Does this makes sense?
@@allworldzeus5935 I think the writers did that for melodrama and forgot to actually give her a personality to think like that... I genuinely think that even the writer didn't know what Lori wanted, they just wanted to make TV. She never seemed like a real 'character' to me like she did in the comics. There was nothing that she wanted or didn't want. She was just... there. Even when she was being "manipulative," the reasons for it seemed half-assed, like nobody knew why she doing it. Idk.
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 I agree
@@allworldzeus5935 I think the reason shane acted the way he did with lori was also the writers doing the typical "masculine" thing they do in shows, for example when Walter white in Breaking bad was feeling extra "Masculine" he pushed himself onto his wife, although she eventually showed that she was okay with it but was startled at first.
He sorta did it in the same way, but this time the other person was against it, and pushed him away although he decided t keep pushing against her after that, and thus I'd say he's entirely wrong for that situation. However, Lori is not free from blame either, she did afterall get over rick very fast, and gave both shane and Rick confusing signals over and over again.
@@danielpersson3268 And that's what I was annoyed with and I agree. My problem with Lori and pretty much Rick confronted her about it, it's like she was so ready to move on fast. That just tells me that she already had eyes for Shane but then when Rick came back, I guess she felt betrayed by Shane because she thought Shane was lying about Rick being dead. It's still disrespectful on her part though.
Shane was a villan. At the moment when he was in the show there was still plenty of good in the world. The scarcity of necessities caused humans to turn on each other , and fight for Goods. That's what ultimately made Rick who he became. But to say Shane was ahead of the curve is pushing it.
I doubt Rick would keep a barn full of walkers in the later seasons.
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I think there's a core difference between Shane and Rick in the sense that Shane was ready and prepared to murder innocent people to get what he wanted. But Rick always acts with an intent to protect his group and the ones he loves. I think it's just elevated in later seasons. Rick would never murder someone like Otis since he was part of the group.
*"The dead don't kill their own the living do"*
- someone
Rick Grimes.
@@EllenSykes2028 its from the walking dead game season 1 episode 3
@@bluefirewolf1991 Okay. But that sounds like something that he would say though.
@@EllenSykes2028 true dat
@@bluefirewolf1991 Yeah. True.
I really hate that they killed off Carl, he is the Legacy of the show & wish more people acknowledged that he was a great fucking character taken far too soon for some BS behind the scenes shit by gimple to not have to pay him as an adult actor 😑
I acknowledge it, brother. So does most of the fan base. Carl was in my top 3 favorite characters and he was without a doubt the heart of the show. That kid was amazing.
Killed him just for shock value and "subverting expectations" (hearing that term applied to media is synomnous with a steaming pile of shit) and finally and the most important reason at all, they would have to pay the actor as an adult! All about money in the end.
Carl was cringe and annoying.
@@slingblade313 no he was not his seat was a big reason why a lot of people stopped watching he was also just a kid
as soon as carl wasnt a kid anymore his acting or maybe just his character annoyed tf outta me tbh
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Killing enemies who are trying to kill you isn't the same as sacrificing an ally to save your own life.
Interesting thoughts but overall you are reaching to say Rick is like Shane. Rick and Shane had entirely different motivations for their actions.
but the outcome is very similar in both cases, isnt it?
@@ApocGuy not really, one of them is dead and the other isnt, can u guess who
It's not a reach at all. They're very alike in terms of their general mindsets, and this shines in season 5b and 6a, when Rick begins to crack because of the ignorant Alexandrians, and his takeover of the town.
In essence, Rick has become every major villain he's killed, or at least slightly adopted their mannerisms, due to the fact that they're all right in their own ways, he just wasn't in the same page yet. Or, as he told Carol (after she destroyed terminus), "I know you knew some things I didn't."
@@devastaar Their mind sets are completely different. Yes they have both killed people to protect the ones they love, but Shane has also just killed people to kill them. Rick has made numerous choices to help out ones in need, such as that lady who tried to kill him for her walker husband. Even in the end he didn't want her to kill herself and felt very bad. All of his killings were in order to protect his family. Shane, on the other hand, literally wanted to kill Rick because he was clouded by jealousy and envy to the point where it drove him insane, leading up to his death. Shane is a hot head who whined and complained when things didn't go his way. At least with Rick he tries to find common ground with others. Rick understands that people are an asset. Rick never started any wars either. Every time him and his group fought it was in self defense so I don't think he has become like every villain. Of course he knows in a world like this that he's going to have to make sacrifices and kill people, but that doesn't make him a villain.
@@alexisgiles6138 Shane didn't "kill people to just to kill them." Not once.
Depending on whether or not you watch anything after 6a (I do not, as the entire Negan arc and after is just... Bad) you can argue that Rick is the villain, considering he attacked Negan's compound, killing men in their sleep.
Shane wanted to kill Rick because he knew Rick wasn't capable of protecting Lori and Carl. Yet again, depending on how far in the show you go, he was right. This isn't to say Shane would have, but simply that Shane and Rick are one in the same by the time Rick reaches Alexandria. He event tells Carol and Daryl that they'll try to fit in, but if the Alexandrians don't cut it, they'll "take this place." Sounds familiar? It's what Shane wanted to do to Hershel's farm. Why? Because Rick and Co. were stuck in the past. By S4b, Rick caught up with Shane, if not going even further.
This isn't to say Shane is a good guy, or that Rick is bad. Because neither are true, but nor are their opposites. There are no good or bad guys in TWD, there's simply those who died, those who will die, and the strong.
Shane was right if u wanna live if u wanna survive u have to fight for it. But his timing was way to early he was already going insane with the end of the world when Rick had to go through so much hell to shape and mold him into the person he became until the very end
As Carol told the Alexandrians WHO HE IS IS WHO YOUR GONNA BE. And I believe Rick was an awesome character
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This is a very nice video on the adaptation of the waking dead. To be honest, after Negan’s first appearance and halfway into his intro season, I was basically done. I felt how worse off the show got and felt like I would only get more and more frustrated as time went on. This video is a nice breath of fresh air. Most fans of TWD wrote off the show completely at this point, so seeing a video where you’re *praising* it feels nice. Plus, those comparison vids of the comic v show and the colored comics are still coming out and I’m giddy all over again. Cheers.
Thanks man!
I must've missed the scenes where Rick killed an innocent member of the group, tried to rape his best friends wife and lead said best friend out into the middle of nowhere to consider killing him so he can sleep with said best friends wife and adopt their son.
First of all Rick killed so many innocent people in the show and even if they weren’t as important as Otis it still happened. A quick example is Rick killing that Savior who was defending his own daughter aka now known as Gracie. As for attempted Rape he never did such a thing but Shane ended up not doing it in the end, nothing else I can say on that point. And as for the trying to kill his best friend you must have forgotten all the context clues leading up to that point, now I’m not defending it but your saying it as if he wasn’t fucked up in the head thanks to Lori playing mind games with him every chance she got.
And before you say he wasn’t innocent cause he was a savior that’s like saying our group is innocent and they’ve never killed anyone. (You can be in a dangerous group and not commit murder btw)
@@onlypainsquad4658 Gracie's father was a savior in a war. He wasn't innocent, and no, that's not saying that the main group hasn't killed anyone. The difference is why they killed them and there is no indication that this savior was innocent. But even if he was innocent, Rick and Shane's killing is completely different. Shane knew who Otis was and that he was innocent and still killed him to save his own life. Rick got in a fight with this guy who he was at war with and killed him in the midst of the fight. Completely different.
Sorry, but the fact that Shane didn't go through with it after Lori scratched him hard enough to scar him doesn't make it alright.
When did Lori play mind games with Shane? I hear this accusation sometimes but I never see it when watching the show. Lori ended it with him as soon as Rick returned yet Shane couldn't let it go. She never tried to manipulate him, Shane was obsessive and couldn't let her go. I honestly think Lori is one of the most over hated TV characters ever.
@@onlypainsquad4658 if your trying to say Rick was worse than Shane that makes no sense killing Otis a good sacrificing man didn’t haves to happen tell me if Rick were in Shane’s spot he would have shot Otis ?? No exactly and Shane tried killing his best friend Rick has never thought about killing a close one to him
Rick has only ever killed people when he has felt threatened for people he cares about or people trying to hurt him and his people
the best thing about shane and S5 rick is that andrew admitted rick finally understood how shane felt and how the ostracization of him lead to his mental degradation. really gets you thinking about how guilty he felt as the years went on.
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Ricks character development is actually so amazing. He’s just like any of us at the start of the series, and we can slowly see him turning into the very thing he hated. It just shows how no one in the show is really “evil” just surviving the best way they think.
That’s what I told my sister about the show. The antagonists weren’t over board evil, but had small key differences from Rick & his group. It just shows that nobody is truly bad, just on opposing sides
Man i wish this video was longer. Awesome video bro
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Ok but Shane abandoned Otis when he could have saved Otis, but instead he let the zombies kill him out of spite. Rick would never have done something as cruel as that
Rick has never been worse than Shane...and had Shane lived, he would've become a hundred times worse than he already was.
That’s what I’m saying Rick had only ever tried to kill people who are trying to kill him and his family Shane tried to kill his best friend and innocent people
If killing Otis turned him into an Animal, then I don't want to know what would happen if Negan or even Terminus happened.
@@sav2608 Rick killed the exiled saviors in the bar after promising to take them in...
@@denisucuuu That scene was sick ☠
Seasons 5 Rick would've killed Randall without a second thought and probably would've killed Otis as well.
Shane was actually my favorite character during his time on the show. He adapted before anyone else and was the only one with commen sense. I almost stopped watching the show after Rick killed Shane. Rick did become my favorite character in season 4. Now Negan is my favorite character lol
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@@qtqrix4819 my same reaction😭😭
Shane simply adapted too quickly to the apocalypse which made him look like the villain because in later seasons everyone was acting like Shane and it became the new normal.
I always wonder what a beast Shane would have been if he wasn't killed by Rick since it was clear he was the perfect specimen to survive a zombie apocalypse.
He would have probably been killed at the lineup since Negan would easily see that Shane would be the biggest threat to him (this would only happen if Shane went to help Maggie which I doubt he would so he would probably survive even longer).
No man it wasn’t that he ‘adapted too quickly’. Im so sick of seeing people spew that horseshit around. Halfway through S2, nearly everyone was sharing Shane’s mindset. Andrea literally tells him he just doesn’t approach things the right way. Which is true. He was too aggressive and obsessive and that’s ultimately what made him fail. Not him being ‘too adapted’.
@@TheSCPStudioexactly
@@TheSCPStudioyou forget one detail, in Shane's own words he was only kept alive and relatively sane only by Lori and Carl. Shane saw how his world fell apart and it depressed him like all the survivors, but taking care of Lori and Carl gave him a reason to live at the same time that the two of them were his only link to the past world. But when Rick returned to recover what is his, Shane lost the only thing that gave him a purpose for living and there he began to go crazy. and when Rick tells Shane about Lori's pregnancy, Shane simply loses his mind at the thought of his own unborn child being left in Rick's hands.
Great video!!
Just subbed, but man that Hershal edit made me shit my pants lol 😂
I just jumped haha
God i miss the time when this show used to be at its peak, everyone i knew loved this show and you could talk hours on end with people about this, nowdays its still good but nothing compared to how it used to be pre-Alexandria.
I didn’t have much to do with Alexandria. S1-6 was peak but after that S7-8 pacing just got worse and worse to the point where there were 3 filler eps in a row.
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Good analysis sir!
I love the development of Rick throughout the show, especially how in the first seasons we get a glimpse of Shane and how he can survive in the world and what it takes, bc over the course of the show the stakes were and have always been much higher for Rick and I think when we experience each major character death we get colder and change along side Rick. From him biting joes throat or the savior outpost, but I think the episode where he turns on the saviors after giving him his word is where we really feel numb with Rick, his sheer coldness to do that, and we were routing for him, the show made us cold along side Rick and I think that’s why rick and the viewers mindset are one of the same, bc we start at the same place and we both end at the same place.
Rick eventually became the kind of person to survive in his world which is being ruthless… Shane might have adapted quicker then everyone and Rick eventually became like him but what made him different in comparison is the reasons for being ruthless and borderline psychotic is to protect his group and not for anything else purely for the people he cares about. Shane was ruthless and protected the group but was more unhinged and not to mention was obsessed with ricks wife and kid.
haha so glad you put 4:96 in the video. I replayed that part over and over when I first watched it cause the way he said what is just too funny
Sure he did! Remember when Rick shot Glenn in the leg just to get out of difficult situation? Remember when Rick schemed for weeks how to kill Daryl, his best friend, because he wanted to be the main leader of the group? Remember how Rick terrorised Hershel and asked everyday what Hershel actually brought to the group and called him ''Mister Moral Authority''?
Loved this take on Rick Grimes!! Best Character On The Show and the lead usually isnt the fan fav for me but ricks presence on the show, what Andy Lincoln does to bring this character to life has been my pleasure to watch his growth over the past few years!! The show def isnt the same without him
I like your walking dead videos. I think thats where it is at for you. You can tell by your view counts. You could do a video on every episode and id probably watch it.
great editing and an amazing voice over
Putting beth’s soundtrack “coda” is so cool o love the ost so much
That was a beautiful assessment bro.
Shane, Merle, and Abraham teamed up would have been an unstoppable force.
Abraham deserves his own spinoff show
I would’ve loved to see how they would fight began especially Shane
Abraham was selfless and had morals and integrity. Shane and Merle only thought of themselves.
Shane , Merle , and governor/Negan would be more what you’re thinking
I feel likes it’s different for me because I felt as though Rick tried so hard to stay “good”, Shane seemed to fall into that way of thinking (“bad”)so easily. When a character faces so many struggles and deaths that it pushes them in a direction it’s a lot more satisfying. Shane just seemed bad cause he wanted Lori more than it was about protecting the group.
Heard the saying "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian"? I feel like this is Rick's case
we can’t forget about the part when Shane pointed his shotgun towards debating to shoot back in the beginning though. that spoke volumes of what was to come. surprised the old man never told rick
I can see why Rick could be Related to Shane in some ways, Like Shane, for a while, Rick became obsessive with Jessie. even though he said time and time again that what he was doing to her husband was for the safety of Alexandria it was quite obvious to me at least that the intention was for Jessie.
I also feel as though Shane just fell way too quick way too early, and what I mean by that is he cracked way too early in the apocalypse. Maybe he had some reasoning behind some of the things he had done but down the line and the longer he'd live in that world I feel like he would snap even harder and turn into something somewhat like the governer, obsessed and lost with the will to lie to get what he wants.
not to mention he tried to SA Lori and really did act like a jerk at times with his group. It was always about him and this perfect little vision of the family he wanted with Lori and I think that's what really drove him, whether to madness or to survival.
Shane's only reason to kill rick wasn't for survival and he knew that. He was just jealous and had let it seriously get to his head.
In the latest seasons (Season 11) Shanes attitude would've made sense, especially after 12 years of living in the apocalypse but the thing with him is that if he was already going crazy in season 2 god knows what monster he would have become by season 11 and if he stuck around long enough to see Lori die? he would've flipped 100% and lost his mind
he was just too dangerous, to early. and rick couldn't take the chance to wait and see how worse he could get with time.
mad Respect to Rick.
If only Dale could have lived to see what Rick and the other survivors had become. I wonder if he would have understood that this is how they needed to be in order to survive or would he have been disgusted that they have become a bunch of killers.
Dale never lived to see most enemy factions; To him the biggest threat was the dead. The dead were barely a threat in the later seasons.
@alecvalenzuela7544their friendship wouldn’t have turned bitter because ultimately I feel like Hershel would have understood what kind of monster Rick had to become to help him and the group survive, Rick has people depending on him and he can’t risk being too kind on his enemies. We’ve seen how that’s backfired before.
@alecvalenzuela7544would Rick have been as hardened as he did if he still had the guidance of Hershel? He changed most just a few short episodes after Hershel’s death
Though I can agree that Rick’s mindset did change throughout the show and become closer to Shane’s, I can’t agree that it absolves Shane of anything that he did or stops him from being the bad guy. Rick now understands that he has to make these difficult decisions in order to survive and protect his loved ones, he understands the “kill or be killed” mentality of the world… but I think that Shane just saw killing as a way to get what he wanted. Rick wanted Lori and Carl safe, so he killed for it. Shane wanted Lori and Carl for himself and was willing to kill for it. Shane was definitely ahead of the curve but, in my opinion, Shane was closer to becoming like Negan after two seasons than Rick ever got to becoming like Shane.
I remember a part in the show when Aaron found their group, he talked to Rick about how he was able to keep his group together, even when they had no food and were starving, nobody turned on each other because Rick kept them together. I don’t think that could have been the case with Shane around because his “kill or be killed” mindset would have taken over him and he would have put his own survival above the groups. Rick used this same mindset for the benefit of all his people. That is their biggest difference.
God i love the episode with the claimers and terminus. Basically the entirety of s4 and 5 the character development and the characters from those seasons were so good.
If Shane wasn't so obsessed with Lori, he would've been a better character that probably would have lived longer.
Lori should have been called Loki with the shit she did let's be honest 🤣
Nah shane was still an amusing character made the show actually good
I recently been recapping The walking Dead I started from season 1 and I'm on season 7 now and just in that time I can definitely tell that Shane was ahead of the curve and I feel like Rick didn't realize he had to be that person until after the farm and I feel like he just got worse the longer he was out in the world I feel like if Shane could have gotten over Lori I feel like him and Rick would have been a force to be reckoned with
Whats really interesting is that originally after rick killed shane and shane turned, rick was suppose to grab shanes gun and shoot undead shane... But the gun wasnt loaded. The meaning of it being shane didnt actually want to kill rick, instead he wanted rick to kill him because he knew he couldn't have his best friend and the women he loved at the same time.
Bro. 3:47 was comedic genius timing, it legit made me laugh out loud. Wasn't expecting that 😂
I share this thought regarding Shane.
However, how fast Shane adapted to this new world almost made it seem like he was ready for it before it all happened. It gives me the impression that he takes pride in killing for survival instead of a necessity. Hunting takes place of survival if Shane were leading. The time when they attacked the saviours as a way to defend themselves would give Shane pleasure, it seems. No one turns their back to morality, especially if you were defending the law. Rick did this way more humanely, I think.
That edit on Hersal beheading was gold.
🤣🤣 why you do me like that at 3:50 lol
Rick never became like Shane.
Shane was willing to continually cheat with Ricks wife, kill his best friend in cold blood (not self defense), kill an innocent man (Otis), and lie to the group. Rick never does anything like this.
He kills Shane in self defense. His attraction to Jessy is controlled and when her husband snaps, he again acts in self defense. He always leads openly. Calling them the same simply
Because Rick did participate in violence is so shortsighted.
I think it died simply because it just went on too long with no end in sight… Nothing last forever and they started doing way too many filler episodes. The farm and prison was a great great show that I definitely miss.
This dudes whole world shattered completely not to mention all the loss he had to endure that would make anyone cold and cruel
This video is a Masterpiece 👏
I agree to some extent, and it's been a few years since I watched TWD, left after Rick left, but Rick has some major differences than Shane, who are both my 2 favorite characters. Shane was more self absorbed than Rick and this is shown when he sacrifices Otis. I can't recall Rick ever sacrificing an "ally". Also his obsession with Lori and Carl showed that he couldn't accept loss and was willing to lose the entire group where as Rick has never shown the capability to do so. Again I could be wrong as it's been probably 3+years since I've watched.
@@goldberg708 Rick has for sure become more cold blooded, everyone has for the most part. But my comment was more about Rick as a leader vs Shane. Shane had no problem sacrificing allies or even abandoning them. When Rick seen the back pack guy, that's not an ally, he didn't even know him.
Seasons 5 Rick would've killed Randall without a second thought and probably would've killed Otis as well.
Shane might've seen what the world was, and was willing to make the hard calls, but he was a man who would sacrifice everything. Even killing his own people if it meant saving himself, as in the case of Otis.
It was Rick's humanity that caused the group to survive. Rick's humanity, with the wise counsel of men like Hershel, Dale, and even Daryl at certain points, is why the group stayed together and never became animalistic.
Rick indeed did terrible things to survive, but at his core, he never truly lost his humanity, he always managed to find his way back, which is a true Testament to the strength of his inner character.
If he had lived, Shane would've become like Joe and the Claimers, like the Governor, like Negan, or even worse, like Garrett and Terminites.
Evil people who embrace and do evil are different than people who are not evil who HAVE to do evil to survive..
The fact that rick was still completely sane and reasonable does prove him to be better than Shane.
I think, looking back on it now, Shane was really only looking out for himself most of the time, whether it be with Lori or for his own self preservation. Rick, however bad he became, tried to do what was best for his group, his family and his allies, including sacrificing himself. I think if Shane were in Rick's position in the later seasons where all hope seemed lost for the group, he would have dipped out and ran off, only looking out for himself.
I do agree with, and can't stress enough when explaining this to friends and family that, a lot of the time in shows, the main characters, our "good guys" can be just as bad as the characters we see as the villains. In the walking dead especially, people are doing what they need to in order to survive and as the show progresses, our good guys turn out to be just as bad as the people they are fighting with. (Of course, some bad guys are purely psychotic) The only reason we don't usually see the main characters as just another group of villains is because we have watched them from the beginning and have been introduced to us as the main characters who preserve life at all costs.
At the start of the show, Rick has a rule of not killing anyone, this shows us that he is a good man and that he is the hero of the story. However, as we progress, Rick loses more and more of his humanity and morals as he loses more. But to us, he is still the good guy because the lines blur between right and wrong when it comes to our main characters.
Shane was one of my favorite characters out of the OG group. He had really took on Rick's family as his own and he really did try and save Rick when shit hit the fan at the hospital he knew he had to go get Lori and Carl. Shane was the OG survivor of the group and as soon as Rick killed Shane his attitude changed.
Shane literally tried to r*pe Lori and and take over Ricks family and murder him...and he's your favorite?
One thing about Rick though is he would never sacrifice a person with good intentions to save himself. He would do everything in his power to keep them both alive not take the easy way out.
That quick switch up to how bad things got at 3:38 was too accurate. 😂
I'd like to think Rick would not have ever abandoned Otis. Maybe he would have let him die and not save him - like we see several times in season 3 and 4 when the group encounters a random person in the wild.
The thing is, Rick is killing people who are typically worse than him.
He kills the folks in the bar because from their interaction he knows they're not to be trusted. He kills the Terminus folks because they are literally luring people to be consumed as food - like that's fucked up when the living eat the living like the dead were eating the living.
Shane had the right concept - that the world has changed and that there are things you don't do anymore - but man he did not have tact. You don't open a barn full of walkers and shoot them as they come out. You can't control that horde that way. You show Hershel a decapitated walker head still trying to bite despite no longer living to convince him you don't save the dead or feed them chickens. You still keep that barn full of walkers though because the smell of the dead will keep other zombies from smelling the living folks on the farm. You don't kill a stranger who your friend saved - you have him tag along. Unlike with Randall in season 2, Rick didn't try to kill Noah or Father Gabriel when they encountered them. He gave them the choice to join under his leadership. Shane would have probably just shot Father Gabriel and not told the hospital crew "anyone who wants to join us can".
Rick wasn't worst than Shane - he just did worst things in a world that was getting worse than him - but he always kept a clear head on survival.
This cannot be compared. They had different circumstances and attitudes. Shane didn't go through that world as long as Rick. He lost it much before Rick. Rick eventually even saved Negan.
The peak of Rick's insanity was the end of the Saviors war when he and Morgan cowardly butchered a group of saviors defectors who begged to join Rick's cause.
The difference between Rick and Shane is that Rick does everything he does to protect the group and his family whilst Shane tries to teach them and help them ultimately he only truly cares for himself and doesn't really care about the group
Overall I definitely think this is a great assessment. I've watched S1-S6a about 25-30 times now, purposefully stopping at the mid-season finale for S6a and repeating since that's when the New World arc begins and the writing drastically drops.
With that said, one thing you heavily missed is Shane's obsession over Lori, Carl, and the unborn Judith. If not for his relationship with Lori, perhaps he would have survived and whatnot. But, other than that, I'd say this was definitely spot on.