Why "Conquer" Is the Most Underrated Finale in the Series
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- The Walking Dead has had many different bombastic season finales, finales that change the group dynamic forever, finales filled with gunfire and hordes of walkers, and one finale that was a bit more tame than all of this. When I say tame do I mean bad, absolutely not, but the season 5 finale Conquer explored a lot of character drama, and set the stage for a lot of what was to come.
0:00 - 1:25 - Intro
1:26 - 5:52 - Try
5:53 - 11:40 - Conquer
11:41 - 14:15 - Rick's Decisions
14:16 - 15:05 - Carol's Arc
15:06 - 15:42 - Rick has become Shane
15:43 - 17:04 - Rick's Love Interests
17:05 - 18:17 - Glenn & Nicholas
18:18 - 19:36 - Morgan & The Wolves
19:37 - 20:12 - Sasha & Gabriel
20:13 - 22:18 - The Modern Drama Era
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I really didn’t think my tree comment would be the focus of the comment section 😂
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I literally came to the comment section for that reason lol
I've seen many trees like that😀
Caught my attention
Yeah homie, you obviously don’t know the fine grain details of T R E E
"I was wondering how many of you I’d have to kill to save your lives," is one of the coldest lines of all time
“You know I was thinking….I was thinking how many of you do I have to kill.. to save your lives”
I remember hearing that and feeling a chill down my spine
@@daemonlynn7616 😊😊😊😊
To be fair Carl was absolutely right about Alexandria they were too busy playin The way their lives used to be that's not the way they are now to be honest I believe we'll deal in the same way there are things out there that can crawl over your walls they can get inside their houses and kill you this isn't a episode of days of our lives this isn't an episode of Clifford you will get killed you will get bit you will get turned and if that happens I will kill you to keep my family safe now you can either be with us or be against us and I'll gladly fall asleep with your butt on my hands to keep my love one safe
No it's not lol if he had to kill all of them to "save them" is he really saving anyone?
“Sasha lies on a pile of walkers” pretty much her character arc during this time
Glad someone liked that 😂
She really wasnt that likeable anymore after Bob and Tyreeses deaths imo. They went too far with her anger and no one really cared
@@z0ck3y23 yeah made her way too one note
@@z0ck3y23 I thought that was only me, I agree sasha wasn't a likeable character anymore
@@z0ck3y23 I think it made sense, and just like in real life, that kind of trauma does make you hard to be around- I liked how they used her and Abe together, made a lot of sense to me
Glad to finally see someone not just say “Rick became Shane” and actually compare them with how they are truly different in the end
I never thought about the comparison between Rick and Shane, but it is pretty similar, although Shane was more doing what was best for him and not for the whole group
Fr ppl think he js turned into him when thats not it shane went crazy rick went crazy at one point but brought himself back together and hes been through way more than shane
If Shane had his way the group would have become feral bandits. Shane was right in the end but went about it in the absolute wrong way. Shane went total survival mode and let who he was die. Rick made sure to still keep a piece of himself.
Yeah he's a little too close for comfort though
Well In this season Rick feels that Jessie should be with him and that her husband is a threat to her safety...sounds kinda familiar? Shane seemed like a psychopath in s1/2,but if you try and look at it from his Perspective he truly believed he was trying to do the right thing
I absolutely love that final shot of Morgan just saying "Rick?". To see these two men who swing back and forth between whole and broken finally meeting again and to see how their roles are wholly reversed from the last time they saw each other really added some weight to the journey that was seasons 3 to 5. You get so caught up in the intense energy of those seasons that you forget just how far Rick has fallen as a person, despite being right.
It’s one of my top moments on the show. I didn’t expect to see Morgan once he found Daryl and Aaron until the next episode.
@@workinprogress3329 great pick! If I had been watching the show weekly at that point I would have been so crazy hooked for the next seasom
yeah Morgan is a great actor! He made this a great finale, with only saying that one word :D I remember that I watched season 1 to 3 and after that season 1 episode 1. Morgan was only in 1 episode, but still he was a top 2 character for me.
I dont think he's fallen , he's adapted. A sane man woukd have to be broken and rebuilt to succeed in that world.
Had no other way to go but dead
You should've pointed out that Rick's fight with Pete mirrored Shane's beatdown of Ed.
It also mirrors Shane and Rick too, as in wanting someone elses wife.
Well I remember Shane beating Ed flawlessly cuz Ed never got a lick in. Rick and Pete on the other hand was a sloober knocker. Rick knew Pete was their where's Ed just got his face beat without even trying to fight back or defend himself
@@michaelwarrell5479yea, that also shows you more of eds character, he was a big tough man when he was beating on his wife and kid, but when somebody stepped up to him he crumbled
@@cstrife420 yea Pete was just a mean spirited man and beat his wife but wasn't afraid to throw hands with another man either but Ed was a mean spirited wife beater and a coward when it came to people he didint have a obvious advantage over . Not condoning any man who hits a woman but you gotta give Pete credit fir one thing. When he got confronted by Rick he wasn't a yellow belly like Ed was
After finishing the whole series it's wild to see how grounded (relatively) things used to be only 5 or 6 seasons ago. The quarry horde in season 6A (6B?) was the first time we had really seen a fuckton of walkers in one place and then that kinda just became a thing that happens. s5 in general feels nostalgic for a lot of reasons cuz it was the last full season with the whole group together mostly
it was really the last series that had a manageable cast where everyone felt like an important character
The way you said "fuckton" instead of "fuck ton" makes me think it's a town, like Compton or Lewiston.
"Come on babe, get your shoes, we're going to Fuckton for the weekend!"
Hordes and hordes of walkers has been a thing since season 1. Rick has to hide in the tank from a city sized horde. Season 2 the farm gets overrun by a never ending stream of walkers from the woods. Abraham, Rosita, Eugene, Maggie, Tara and Glenn are fully sidelined by an impenetrable wall of walkers when driving the firetruck in season 5.
Yeah, it felt like everything was still on edge, even this relatively large community was held together by threads. What every person did individually had large implications on the group as a whole, something that got lost as seasons went on and the towns/communities became so big it was hard to tell who was actually in danger at any given moment. Relationships with neighbours etc were vital, tension between any one of the Alexandrians and our group were a source of potential threat. I understand finding more people in the world, but this season 5 point was that limit for how many manageable characters you could have before it started to become over saturated.
rip Darabont :(
You should rank all finales
Yes! and while at it he should do the first episode for each season, that would be cool
FR
Please do this
@@sanjefff and then mid season premieres
@@alexSssedits I like the way you think
Yessss
I love how you just mentioned that Sasha lays on a group of walkers and moved on from it
To me, Michonne and Rick always made sense. Back in season three, when Michonne asks Rick why he decided to let her in the prison and not just take the baby formula she was carrying, Rick says "Must have been something else then." Then they had that talk about seeing their dead exes and bonding over that. They really seemed to understand each other from the beginning. I also think that Michonne finding the son she lost in Carl and Carl finding the mother he lost in Michonne really solified them as a family. So when Michonne and Rick finally got together, it felt really natural!
Loved the video!
Oh good I'm not the only one! The Episode Clear was another one where they had a moment.
I like that they establish Carl and Michonnes friendship first, it made the 3 really feel like a family.
That offhand comment of "Must have been something else" was something I didn't even notice upon my first viewing, but when going back after having seen the entire show it jumped out to me immediately. Also she conveniently arrives RIGHT when Lori dies. Tthey been setting them from the get go.
He was suppose to be with Andrea that's how the comic books were
@@bboyg1 we doesn't talk about Andrea here, haters could hear you, and walking dead community isn't exactly happy to hear letters a n d r e a being used in the same sentence, be careful out there
Loved Rick and Morgan's reunion after Rick put down Pete. One of my favorite S5 episodes.
When Carol says "you don't want to take over this place and you don't want to lie? Oh sunshine, you don't get both" I took that as it's one or the other, not that Rick is lying that he doesn't want to take over
I’m just here to say, trees like that do exist. It’s really cool, the vascular system of a tree is only on the outer layers just below the bark. So you can have a completely alive yet hollow tree. 🙂
Thank you!!!!!!!
Rick's manic speech about the truth of the world after he beats the shit out of Pete is honestly my favorite scene in the entire series.
I was so for the Rick and Michonne connection when it happened. Like you said, there were subtle hints throughout the show. Back in seasons 3 and 4: when they went to Rick's hometown for weapons with Carl. When Michonne found Carl after the governor's attack... the show constantly framed them as a family. That was when The Walking Dead still had great writing.
YES!! that little look he gives her after he says "you drive, I see things" is so palpable.
Omg yes even at the prison I saw it rick was like wtf she aint dead but back in his hometown fucking chefs kiss
I used to think Conquer was not a good finale but after watching it a 2nd time, it’s one of my favorites and the cinematography and storytelling is unmatched.
I knew rick and michonne would get together in season 4 in the episode where rick was trying to escape the house filled with claimers
That second wolf was a friend of mine, Jesse C. Boyd - we worked on a pilot called LOST ANGELS that didn't get picked up about a decade ago. Had another friend from Vegas as another wolf, can't remember which episode -- he only had one line then got killed lol. Closest I got to being on the show was as a zombie(s) in the Whiperer's herd, during the episode when Carol went to blow them up.
I remember being very surprised when Rick and Michonne first got together but it immediately made sense to me. Lori was sort of meek little thing who he always needed to protect. Michonne is the perfect badass partner for the man Rick has become. I too liked Jesse and was sad to see her go but I like Rick and Michonne together and now can’t imagine them not being together.
Seasons 4-6 were peak TWD imo. Negan/Simon were the last lingering embers of that peak to me and I wish season 7-8 were just combined into a single season to help the pacing. In retrospective, the scene of feral Rick's eyes lightening up after hearing the children playing outside Alexandria and the group entering the gates would have been the perfect happy ending to the show. Wouldn't have been satisfying to comic readers, but would have been very nicely done
Yeah that could’ve very well been the finale. I’m almost hoping that they’ll do the same kind of shot once Rick shows up to the commonwealth and then just end it there. Obviously I’d want him to reunite with Judith/Daryl and maybe a few others beforehand but that would be a really great ending to the whole universe.
@@thethriftytypewriter yeah the last several seasons of TWD were kinda shit tbh.
Unpopular opinion here, peak twd was season 1 and 2
@@MrDead00nah thats definitely the popular opinion for the most part with season 3 being the best pur of all 11.
I think there's simply a nostalgia factor there. Especially when seeing everything up to the prison arc for the first time you feel the intense danger and the barely surviving. It was the arc where you see the group barely getting food. At the brink of eating dog food etc. It was just highly dangerous.
After on the surface level it was just safe zone/community hopping. Of course there was a lot of nuance and character development for some of the characters after they started safe zone hopping.
Richonne was already in motion for a lot of fans and was a slow burn that I saw coming. Right after Lori, a woman comes to him with food for his baby and not needing to be constantly protected like Lori. I called it. When richonne actually consumates things it felt rushed. But rewatch season 4 and 5 and the chemistry and reluctant vulnerability was there for them both all along. Even in season 3 when michonne stays half in and half out. I think it was carl/Rick that kept her there. We see that when she has her chance to dip after the prison falls. She crosses paths with their tracks and follows to be with them. Look at their reactions when she comes through the door.
I also recall her specifically bringing stuff back for Carl
Its so sweet and I loved how happy Rick would look when she came back to the prison after being away. This was during his farmer Rick arc where not a whole lot made him happy.
@@emmakerr To me she always felt like an aunt to Carl. Like she was a sister-in-law that Rick didn't know he had.
To this day i still don't feel much chemistry between them, even after watching The Ones Who Live. But then i didn't really feel the chemistry between Rick and Jesse either. Glen and Maggie always seemed more real than any of Rick's post-Lori pairings.
I didn’t mind Jesses character but I always knew she wasn’t going to live (due to unwanted spoilers) so I never got as connected as I would normally. Plus I don’t think Rick ever loved Jesse, he was infatuated.
Since the prison I knew they would be a couple. Back in season 4 with Ricks “you plan on staying awhile”. Or when Michonne made the decision to to check out Alexandria. She made the decision and didn’t fight her on it. So many hints along the way.
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Season 5 has a very clear theme: the old world vs the new world. Over the course of 4 seasons, we saw the characters go from being ordinary people thrust into the apocalypse, learning how to survive, how to organise themselves, how to deal with threats, what philosophy and morality still applies in this world, how to form a community, becoming family, experiencing loss, pain, trauma and growth, and eventually becoming hardened survivors. Season 5 starts off with them dealing with their biggest threat yet and narrowly avoiding death, escaping and later killing cannibals who led them to the slaughter. The characters were reunited and reinvigorated with the hope that Eugene could create a cure, but when the truth came out, it shattered that hope, and they all realised there was no way out, this was it, this was the world they lived in now. The Beth hospital episodes are pointless 😂, but I think both her and Tyreese's deaths represented the death of innocence, hope and the last attachment to the ways of the old world. Glenn was still a moral compass and still hadn't killed anyone, but he had adapted more to this world than Beth or Tyreese who still kind of lived in denial and weren't meant for that world. Then they reached Alexandria and we got that stark constrast of a peaceful "safe" community where the people had to shielded from the harsh brutal world outside, and after all the group had been through, they were grateful for this sanctuary but distrustful and sceptical that they knew what they were doing and could keep a place like this safe for very long. And in the rest of the season we see the two worlds colliding and Rick trying to show the Alexandrians what it takes to survive in this world and that their way of blissful ignorance will get them killed. He just goes about it in the wrong way and, while I think all the protagonists know this and agree with him, they're divided on how far they need to go to prove it and not letting their brutal survival instincts take over, and again, not letting too much of the old world go. This "modern drama" and this theme continues into 6A I think as they're dealing with similar issues of the Alexandrians learning how to fight and growing more confident and world weary, 2 big existential threats that they overcome together, and finding a balance between being a survivor and living more of life like the world before the apocalypse. And then of course Negan comes along and fucks everything up 🤣
idk if you've done an analysis on this already, but I think looking into why the hospital arc failed would be really interesting. Most of your analysis videos centre on the greatness of the show, but looking at the lows is just as important and can be just as entertaining to evaluate.
Beth Died, thats one of the only bad parts. It introduced us to cool characters tho.
I think Season 6 Episode 9 is the best not because of 69 but because it shows us that people can still work together to do anything
But mainly bc 69
@@CinderCDL lmao
I feel like after the prison falls and Michonne finds Carl and Rick you can start seeing those little interactions between Rick and Michonne that make them getting together make sense.
I actually felt like Rick liking Jessie felt a bit out of nowhere. Like yeah, there’s a bit of banter but beyond that it’s not a real connection.
This episode is so well done. When I first watched it I was in disbelief by how good it was. This whole era was perfect. I miss it.
I also like Jessie & hoped she wouldn’t meet her comic end like carol but she did. I also think Michonne & Ricks makes sense & it was natural I’m glad they didn’t give Michonne that promiscuous arch from the comics. This was definitely the golden age of TWD when Rick wild out I was like oh he on his Shane ish
I didnt think Rick would find a new love interest so soon after Lori. I guess it wasnt that soon, but with the timeline in those few seasons its hard not really feel what the time change really was. When they did get together for the first time though it made me feel like when youre a kid and realize adults have actual love interests. Just shock.
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My absolute favourite part of Glenn's entire arc is his relationship with Nicholas. It exemplifies everything that makes you root for Glenn: his willingness to help others when he, Nicholas and Noah are trapped in the revolving door. His mercy in not killing Nicholas when even I was screaming at the screen for him to pull the trigger. His hope that anyone, even someone as despicable as Nicholas, has redeemable qualities. Glenn basically guides Nicholas through character growth from a whining, sniveling coward into someone who I was legitimately sad to see die.
I loved Michonne and Rick being together. I always paid attention to their subtle interactions and ended up shipping them before anything romantic even happened. Looking at their pasts, I saw that they fulfill each other's emptiness and I loved that idea. When they grew closer as friends, I began anticipating more would develop and I was honestly happy.
Jessie was an idiot.
There are seeds about Rick and Michonne from the very very beginning but I believe that was just the natural chemistry between Danai and Andy.
The first moment that should make it CLEAR is the end of the episode "Clear".
When they are at the back of the car ready to leave there's a moment where Rick asks Michonne to drive because "He sees things" and then he gives Michonne a quick little up and down, check out. It's brief but once you see it you can't unsee.
Everyone at Alexandria was an idiot, the show clearly depicts this multiple times lol
@@fantasmacstrp9239 🤣 good point.
Season 5 is the end of walkers being the primary threat to the group and the beginning of their fellow human beings being the primary threat to survival. I truly believe that is why the season opener started with a horde of walkers of a size we had never seen before then. It was a sort of finale of walkers in a season opener. Because as we all know Negan was just around the corner. I think the seasons 1,2,3 and 5, 6, 7 were the best. After Rick left, the show basically became a WB low budget sci-fi series. I can’t stand how they handled the show after Rick.
I just watched from 4b to season 6 and wow the seeds of Rick and michonne have really been there for a while. Seeing their tiny moments of flirting and stuff is really adorable ahah
Yeah the thing with Jessie wasn't real for Rick... for one he is completely outside his mind for the duration of it. He puts her and her kids at risk even though, if he had given it some thought, any thought at all he'd know they were ready to walk through that herd. He knows her for all of one week. Doesn't ever think or talk about her after she dies. Gets with Michonne pretty quickly after that and immediately tells Carl that with Michonne it's different, he disavows it himself, he refers to it as this weird thing he did when he wasn't all that well. So, no it's not this great love at all
Edit: AND
If I remember correctly, Andrew Lincoln said that she was Rick projecting all his Lori issues and I believe that, I don't think he ever really saw her as a real person, or her own person
The connection between Rick and Jessie may not have been real, but it still doesn't explain or justify all the hate that her character gets...I've always been seriously baffled by that.
@@kimberlywilmoth9184 she gets hate? i don't think she every did anything deserving of hate, she was alright, i liked her. i don't think she was right for rick, or that he was right for her, and i believe she served her purpose in the narrative but i liked her
@@sunnyshinet Yep, I liked her too. I mean, there was nothing to dislike about her, she was a likable person...
...and yeah, I was also unaware of the hatefest for her, but I learned about it through watching several other videos and reading through endless comments...she was one of the most hated characters of this era on the show. It surprised me to learn of that, I just don't get it 🤷♀️
He doesn’t get with Michonne pretty quickly there’s actually a two month time gap and you notice it by he’s not wearing his ring anymore. Plus the show runners confirmed and acknowledged this. And Rick loved the idea of Jessie being a perfect family with his children and he tried to envision this lifestyle for himself however he realised it was not compatible for him and more importantly he’s changed.
Rick telling Carl that this was different was bc Carl and Michonne established a relationship before Rick and he realised this. It’s a way of him showing that he was sure of what he wants and this is something he wanted to pursue which was being happy with the right kind of family. Rick needed someone who he can rely and Michonne was that person. It is definitely love and as the show goes on you see it from Rick’s perspective solidifying my point.
True that they didn’t have that much time together but Rick definitely had some strong feelings for her if she had lived he probably would never have ended up with Michonne considering how long it took for them to become a couple in comparison. Andrew didn’t make any comments that implied he didn’t it was the person asking the question who mentioned Lori. He wouldn’t have went as far about Pete if he didn’t that’s why she asks him if he does this type of thing just for anyone. Real reason she isn’t mentioned is because she wasn’t that prominent of a character and his love interest became Michonne soon after but Rick says he thinks about everyone he has lost everyday
You could say there wasn’t a better option for them to escape the situation or that it’s just bad writing, arguably even the way they died. When Sam freaked out they could have just picked him up or they could have done that to begin with and told him to close his eyes. Even after that they didn’t have to just stand there and let Jessie freak out too Rick or Michonne could have forced her to let go and keep walking. This type of thing happens a lot it’s just plot. His reaction to her death showed how much he cared he was in shock and only snapped out of it because of Carl being in danger. When you think about it it’s one of the most tragic things in the show that they really shouldn’t have just glossed over. Realistically he’s having PTSD from telling her he could protect her and her family only to get them all killed
Man at this point I want a whole series of you deep diving into each episode. You understand the show man. Great video
I saw Rick an Michonne as a couple right after Lorrie died. The moment the dramatic scene at the fencing when they first laid eyes in each other was foreshadowing the long slow burn 🔥 builds from 3:12 Clear where Carl gives them both a look as she passes Rick the line bullet she finds on the floor. Also how he looks at her some kind of way while she’s eating Morgan’s granola bar. He appears intrigued. Carl proclaimed her as one of us!
He turns and watches her walk out of the kitchen in that house the Claimers took over after asking her to befriend Carl, which she had already done. He stares and looks her up and down, watches her walk away a few times while living at the prison. He always looks away when she notices him looking or staring multiple times, trusts her opinions and judgment in season 3 thru 6’s first half. He trusts her with his life and children and jokes in playful ways. Gives her slight shoulder touches. He always knows where she is and how long she took a shower when they first arrived in Alexandria.
I believe Rick was attracted and intrigued from day one but kept it to himself and even tried to ignore it until he just gave in to his love on that sofa next to her after holding her hand while giving her mints.
The way he makes out with her the first time is filled with loving looks and smiles and leads to making love. It’s not sudden or inappropriate cause it’s slowly and beautifully been built up. Anyone that rewatches the series will see it if they missed it the first time.
We had a tree like that in my local forest here in Denmark growing up. it was rotted inside is my guess. we called it the "troll's tree". In fact it was way bigger, like 4 kids could fit comfortably in there.
When I first saw Rick and Michonne kiss and what ultimately lead to sex, I was thrilled. I felt they had so much romantic tension dating as far back as the last episode of S3. S4 through S5 I was like "Just kiss already!" Lol. Regarding Rick going after Jessie, I thought it was just forced. It's true to the comic,but even in that, I thought it was rammed through. It had literally no buildup except for a few episodes. And for Rick to say he would save anyone else, that's a load of bullshit. I personally think he was just trying to butter Jessie up. Domestic violence is wrong and disgusting regardless of who or why. And it doesn't surprise me that Deanna ignored it because earlier that season, she said she was a congresswoman. Politicians are notorious for ignoring shit for the sake of keeping their approval rating high unless it directly affects them or their career. So when she said that, I was thinking "You slimy politician." So Deanna admitting that she knew but was ignoring it doesn't seem like much but it's the politician in her.
When I saw Rick go off after the fight with Pete (a fight that bothered me for a reason), I said out loud "Rick finally said what Shane said years ago. Shane though I felt was already unhinged and the apocalypse just gave him freedom to be his true self, because most people wouldn't be able to accept shit like that only weeks after the world goes to hell. Now the reason the Rick vs Pete fight bothered me is Rick is supposed to have been a deputy sheriff. Those people are trained extensively in HTH combat, so why Pete gives Rick a good fight is beyond me.
Personally I think Pete gave Rick such a good fight just because of how big he is. Pete is a really big and muscular man so he would give Rick a run for his money but ultimately in the end Ricky being a train deputy did subdue him.
I know many people hate Sam (Jess's kid) for giving everyone away and generally being annoying but in my opinion I didn't really mind him, and seeing him die was really gruesome and heart breaking, then Jess dying along with him made it even worse. I really liked Jess and thought she would last at least 2 more seasons.
He was a dumb annoying kid...but that was the point. He played the role perfectly. It was clearly effective 😂
Well… she did. 5/6
loved his death
@@handsomeman9433 that’s not how it works though. You don’t count Season 5 (the season she came from) as ins for her. And she came in Episode 12 of that season, and it was barely past the Midseason Finale when she died. So, she pretty much lasted less then a season. (Sorry if i’m sounding a bit harsh).
@@dazinqwilly3385 mhmm, I mean premier and debut episodes still count for what it’s worth. Even if she was a minor character, she’s still one to note. I’d like to think you’re using Michonne’s entrance as reference but back in 2x13, Michonne character was there, but had yet to be casted. It can be difficult to consider sometimes, think Elijah for season 11 who existed in season 10 but hardly meant anything.
When i saw rick carl and michone together before terminus i thought they would do it, i was young and i thought that they would be together but when jesse came along i didnt really know, i knew at some point she would most likely die but not without a real relationship set, its why when rick and michone got together i was supprised because it felt quick but because of the earlier seasons it felt set, but like you said she was already a mom to carl and in a way i think they had a better relationship than rick and lori did sometimes i also like how they didn't realize they were already kinda together until they got a break, like we did while watching, it was just a few years ago when rick and michone and carl where alone together, so people didn't really pick up on it till they either went back or remembered when Morgan mentioned something during that time (the bar) also i love your vids and the community it's made.
I cannot explain how hype I was when Rick and Michonne got together. I also liked Nicholas tbh.
He had issues, but Glenn forced me to like him. I wanted Glenn to teach him how to survive despite how flawed he was when they first met 😢
I also loved Sasha’s growth. She’s still trying to recover from loosing Bob, and then Tyrese almost immediately after. Gabriel challenges her faith because he is loosing his own, just like her. And he is a preacher. They both want to be taken out, but they can’t take out each other, because all they have is each other (Maggie reminds her). And then in the end, they sit in a circle of prayer and they pray together. It was beautiful. Despite everything all three of those characters have been through, especially Maggie and Sasha, they overcome their fight, coming together to heal.
Same, I think adding Nicholas was important he showed the viewers and how we may possibly be in a zombie apocalypse. Thinking for our own survival and constantly thinking of the worst situation and fears and Nicholas played it perfectly especially with him committing suicide at the end since he couldn’t handle living in this world. Yep and your concluding point is what I love about this show despite all the harsh challenges they faced they continue to live and push forward. This overall morale really resonates well with me.
Also I can’t wait for Rick and Michonne’s spin off to come and to see them finally reunite. The ending of season 11 when Rick said she gave him “ an unstoppable life” this love between them was so perfect. And the fact Rick will find out that he has a son is so heart warming and his reaction to it is so anticipated.
Ive always loved this episode. The intercut editing btw all the suspense scenes at once was amazing
Literally grew up with a buddy of mine who had a tree just like that til it was struck by lightning when we were in our early 20s so yes they do exist
i JUST rewatched this episode. it is incredibly underrated with morgan coming back and the rivalry with glenn andg nicholas aswell as aaron leaving his bag behind for the wolves, one of the best plot based episodes
I remember feeling the same way when I saw Rick and Michonne get together the first time but when I rewatched it, from the moment he saw her at the prison I really saw the chemistry. Definitely one of my favorite tv couples.
I first saw “Rick and Michonne” when she finds Rick and Carl after the farm and it’s just the 3 of them for a while. They looked like a family ❤️
Tbh the Jessie love interest was out of the blue and odd, even as a first time watcher
I’m still on my first viewing of the series (literally just started S11 today) and at least since the episode Clear, I think it was obvious, though still subtle enough. Rick and Michonne gave plenty of signs of their mutual attraction. It was never a surprise to me. Whether people saw it or not, whether they wanted it or not, only one thing is for sure. Rick and Michonne getting together was always PLAUSIBLE. It was never out of the blue. Honestly, I think a large part of the issue is people didn’t consider Michonne to even be an option for Rick. As if it would never have crossed his mind. But even if someone thought that, to not see the signs is…odd. As for Jessie, I wonder whether or not there was room in the show for two abused women turned capable survivor, Carol having already completely going through that metamorphosis. At times, I wish Carol had been the one to take Pete out rather than Rick, to protect Jessie as someone who had been through the same hell. Would have felt more satisfying for me, but that’s only my personal opinion.
But Rick taking Pete out and Morgan coming in is very iconic and partially ironic (shane) also Carol had to maintain her quota of being an "innocent" woman
@@bradbred3800 Carol already told Pete no one would believe she would have killed him because of her act. But I guess if you want to consider the consequences, Rick's group would probably be suspected anyway, considering Rick already talked to Deana about the situation and she did nothing. So she knew. I don't deny Rick doing it and Morgan witnessing it was iconic. I just said that Carol doing it would be satisfying.
Whilst it would mirror and parallel Carol’s arc, I don’t think I would’ve found it satisfying. Carol came into her own and escaped the “battered woman” narrative, she became as ruthless and tough as the rest, and a lot of that season 5/6 was her exploration as her own strong person and breaking from her past, including the bereavement of being a mother. She’s still motherly but her tenderness and gentle heart was hidden beneath her hardened exterior (her with Sam, Jessie’s kid). I think drawing her back in to being the wife-beater-vigilante kinda defeats her arc, even though it fits her original narrative. She’s more than what Ed did, and she touches on it and how she changed for the better, but she also was on a war-path of letting people learn to fend for themselves and become like her. She was adamant that the sheltered people like children and beaten wives needed to learn to defend themselves and she had a tough love approach. I don’t think it would’ve satisfied her current motivations and Rick being unhinged and willing to kill a man to appease a woman and play house is totally in line with his arc.
@@samcresp5440 I never said that she was defined by the abuse she endured. Besides, Carol was the one to bring up Pete's abuse ways to Rick first. She was the one who was communicating with Sam and discovered this news through him. So it sounds to me like she was concerned and wanted Rick to step in. Those do not sound like the actions of someone who wants Jesse to learn to fend for herself. Plus, Carol already personally threatened Pete. She said she could do it and no one would believe she was capable of it. That being said, I don't have an issue with how it played out in the show. I have no issue with Rick confronting Pete. I only meant that it would be satisfying FOR ME, to see Carol take Pete out because I hate abusive men and it is incredibly satisfying to see a woman put a stop to that.
Andrew Lincoln and Danai Guirera (spelling?) had so much chemistry from the beginning of her time on the show, that it seemed inevitable to me that they would be a couple. Once Andrea was killed off it was just a matter of time.
I believe the show runners have this narrative considering the huge chemistry between both actors in real life. And certainly also for a way modern take on the comic with a central interracial couple.
On my recent rewatch of the series. I feel like they were already setting up Rick and Michonne even from Season 3
I totally agree about Jessie, she was set up so well, and I truly believed she became a survivor. I was caught way off guard when she died, not to mention the whole scene immediately after. that episode really made me stop and think
3:45 trees like that actually do exist and it's pretty cool. I like to sit in them whenever I come across one large enough to fit me
to be honest the "modern drama era" is one of my favorite segments of TWD as a whole. Maybe I'm just a sucker for character drama 🤷♂
i liked jesse too, very much felt like her death in the show was too soon but also can see why it happened as it was the first event to slowly break rick down so that when we are faced with negen, we see how rick went from doing whatever he could to survive, to seeing him as a broken man whose scared to do the things needed to survive. most of ricks actions after Jesse's death were out of fear instead of survival
Nobody ever talks about how gnarly that punch michonne swung on Rick was. That spot right under the skull behind the ear could not have felt good
I saw Rick and Michonne together since the prison. There was a spark between them very early on. They respected each other and worked so well together. I saw Jesse as a distraction.
I liked seeing Morgan's reaction to seeing how how much him and Rick have changed compared to eachother "all life is precious" -morgan and Rick
Another really cool detail is Carol's reaction to Rick's speech in episode 15. She looks on like a proud mother, having not seen his dark transformation after the Claimers or even Terminus, as she went off with Daryl to find Beth. But here she see's what Rick has become and she's like "hell yes he gets it now."
Carol’s addition made the finale a lot better since it made her character come full circle
This is one of my favourite episodes of TV, the tension between knowing Morgan is close and a changed man, while Rick is completely different from the last time they met. Also classic Rick lines in this episode.
Best Carol era for sure, its when I really feel in love with her character, especially when she holds the knife to Petes neck.
One thing that I thought was really good about this season was how Rick seems to be pursuing Jessie just like Shane pursued Laurie.Obviously it is very dfferent circumstances but he is doing things that seem moral for the wrong reasons. He is also like Shane in the sense that he understands the tough problems that have to be handled in a tough way. As you said he differs from Shane because he is willing to help these people and let's be honest, Jessie was a baddie.
I like this episode as it shows how brutal and a confident leader rick was before he faced his greatest fears and conquer coming from ricks prime season shows how much a man can change in that world
I was 1000% for Rick and Michonne being together romantically ever since she went to the prison with the baby formula! No joke. So when their relationship became a reality, I was HYPED 🤩
When I first watched this at the ending when morgan the man from the beginning sees Rick murder a man in what seems to be the cold blood. I had access to Netflix but I imagined that cliff hanger for the time. So cool.
I am sooo happy you made this. This is my favorite season finale, from when Rick sees the gate is open to "Rick, do it" is immaculate story telling
I knew Rick and machine were going to end up together at some point when he seen her at the fence and she looked all helpless, then the next episode she was telling him off
Never stop making these walking dead videos. Theyre perfect! Do the episode with Glenn’s fake death
I think that the Glenn and Nicolas part was a build-up for what's to come, something along the lines of "not everyone deserves forgiveness or forgiving some people will be your downfall"
Knowing Glenn lives barely from the dumpster. I'd say it was good. Seeing Glenn keep his humanity is what made Glenn who he was even if it bit him a bit. Nicholas not getting a confirmed forgiving ark was good to show you can try to do good but are you willing to accept your past actions and face them head on or run away
Why are your TWE Review/Analysis vids so damn good? I can't stop watching!
I was a little miffed Rick went after Jessie and not Michonne. They had great chemistry and I thought they would have made a great power couple. I’m sad we didn’t see more of that in the series
I interpreted it as him wanting normalcy. She was like a basic suburban mom like in the before times.
I'm so glad I found this channel as I did, as I've started rewatching The Walking Dead and am finally into season 6 and beyond which I haven't seen (I dropped out partway through the hospital arc way back when). It's really entertaining to watch these breakdowns of the episodes after watching them for the first time myself! I watched Conquer earlier today, for the first time, and loved the change of pace from previous finales, so many slow build ups finally coming to a boil.
You're insight into the show is brilliant and thought provoking. Thank you! :D
I absolutely love your analysis of all the Walking Dead series. My heart was bereft come the end of S11 and I was not even a long hauler, I was a lockdown fan and did the binge watch you spoke about on your hour long face to face unscripted episode which would you believe has me wanting to go back and watch it all again and this time soak in all it glory and it's downfall you so greatly described. I can feel your appreciation and you make me go "oh yeah!" I'm so happy you got to your 50 000 subs btw. I know it was a few months back, but I only watched it today. Thank you for letting me heal from Rosita's death and the beautiful meal that has me in snot and tears still to this day. Xxx ❤
I really enjoy your TWD videos, they are so good and thought provoking!
This is my favorite season and I love these episodes. Nice review
Great video. Season 5 is one of my favourite seasons. Love your TWD analysis. Encore...Encore ❤️
I'll never get over the Morgan map reveal it always gets me so excited
I like how you insert Morgan’s piano sound into the Morgan scenes
Love your content bro, Very enjoyable to watch and nice to sit down with a drink and some food to watch every masterpiece you put out! Never stop what you’re doing.
Appreciate that a lot my dude!
My dude I LIVE for your twd videos
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Literally became one of my fav channels after watching only a couple videos
You call it the 'Modern Drama' era and sum it up as season 5B, and while accurate I would also say that seasons 1-5 is the golden era of character drama in The Walking Dead. I always thought the show just felt different somehow starting with S6 and I think that's why. In season 6A we did get some good stuff, but most of the season was focused on the horde and then without taking a breather it was straight on to Hilltop and The Saivours.
I love the scene of Morgan reuniting with Rick, as you mentioned the last time they saw each other the roles were completely reversed and I like to think that when Morgan set out to find his only friend in the whole world he really saw Rick as this guy who would have the answers, so to then see him execute someone in front of a crowd of people and see how different the two men had become, I watch that scene all the time.
It upsets me that they didn't give us such good drama during the war with the saivours, especially when they did it so well during the war with the governor.
Also I just want to say I love how you put it, saying how the Wolves were basically this unseen time bomb for the whole season and Rick had to prepare everyone, now their namesake makes so much more sense to me
Would love if you could do a video on merle and his overall story progression. I miss a lot of our older characters
Merle was the best actor the show had seen in my opinion.
@@rhiannonodrain2999 I loved him tbh
Even just during the clip
Of the map, I got whole body shivers.. maybe I should do a rewatch of this show
This is easily one of the best! I remember just gasping at the finale scene, mouth hung open for at least 5 minutes afterwards. Ricks acting in these episodes were easily some of his best in the series. Which is saying a lot because Andrew Lincoln was always on point! You do amazing work by the way.
Thank you for making this video I agree season 5 ep 15 & 16 are very underrated and two of my favorite episode
Hollowed out trees definitely do exist and I would strongly recommend against going in/near them especially on a windy day.
love your takes.
One of ky favorite seasons. Rick knowing better bc of his time on the run with the group and trying to show these people that they're not safe without him is classic walking dead to me. Andrew Lincoln always nails his scenes.
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you probably didn’t see my comment but that’s insane
Great video & I agree, definitely an underrated finale.
great analysis. thanks!
Great video bro
I love Carol's arc in this season. Her and Rick were both unhinged and inabling each other's madness
Oh and yes, Rick and Michonne were always happening, Jessie was just another symptom of Rick's mental breakdown episode. And you mentioned what Michonne told Rick (that she'll be with him no matter what) but you didn't mention what Rick told HER, that he didn't tell her because she'd talk him out of it, because she's the only one who can talk him out of and convince him of things, she's the one who has that influence over him. So no it wasn't surprising. I like Jessie fine, but Rick and Michonne were happening before her and were gonna happen after her
And matter of fact the first thing Rick does when he gets with Michonne is disavow the whole thing with Jessie. He talked to Carl, which he didn't even do with Jessie, and he told him "This is different". Different than him and Jessie, as in, this is real, that wasn't
Also, Rick had taken off his wedding ring with Michonne. He didn't do that with Jessie. Rick was ready to move forward with Michonne. He wasn't ready with Jessie, it would never have worked. Rick and Michonne were always going to happen, there was a great foundation and genuine love. Rick, Michonne and Carl were a fantastic unit 😊
Really great finale! I love when they first arrive at Alexandria. The season 6 mid-season finale is one of the greatest also!
I know it’s gonna be a good lunch break at work when you have a new upload
I loved Sasha's character and Tara but Daryl is top for me. His loyalty is something that we all look for.
I recently bought TWD No Sanctuary Board Game with expansions--just so bummed the series ended!!! I'm enjoying these videos breaking down what made this show so good!
Great finale to a great season
My Sister And I Were Watching this Finale Earlier, Never Expected this Cool episode to be Talked About.