The ULTIMATE Saw Till
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- I have put this project off for too long!! I show the process of making my saw till using mostly hand tools. A great hand saw storage piece of shop furniture and just plain fun to build. This one is filled with a scattering of tips and tricks that I hope many will find useful for this or other projects (such as using challenging pieces of wood with knots and crazy grain that bows or cups considerably when cut).
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**TOOLS USED**
Highland Woodworking - www.highlandwoo...?A=1609 (one of the ABSOLUTE BEST sources for high quality tools and materials - My other two favorites = leevalley and toolsforworkingwood)
Hand plane - amzn.to/368aiXU
Dovetail saw - amzn.to/3655jqX (the budget gents saw -- its cheaper through my highlandwoodworking link above, which also has premium saw alternatives)
Coping Saw- amzn.to/3pECvOh
Marking knife - amzn.to/3sOl3Im
Starrett combination square - amzn.to/3iL4bxO
Thorex mallet - amzn.to/2Y2MFeV
Combination marking/mortise gauge - amzn.to/2Y2BfYB
Stanley benchtop tape measure - amzn.to/3o5wecl
Dividers - amzn.to/3w8Xr2H
Combination oil stone - amzn.to/397qXfW
Translucent Arkansas stone - amzn.to/3vIUyWk
square awl - amzn.to/3q8UjAT
GOOD pencil sharpener - amzn.to/3pB0cY1
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Liquid Hide Glue (old brown glue) - amzn.to/3a8tzut
Green Honing Compound - amzn.to/3cQNBtM
Pencils - amzn.to/3irJR6f
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Tried and True Varnish Oil (linseed oil+ resin) - amzn.to/3g56D2n
Let me know what you think! If you haven't already watched it, this video details how to make the through double tenon! czcams.com/video/eZfPKfQey7o/video.html
great work! can you walk us through your bench design?
What handsaw manufacturer do you recommend ?
Aaron, it's Nicholson bench. If you Google it they are very fast to knock together, not too much joinery, plenty of nails, and it holds up well!
@home remodeling with Ashleys I don't yet have a great answer that I'm totally confident with. If I was buying new today it would be a lynx or Dorchester with walnut handle. They seem to be a good quality at a reasonable price. Spear and Jackson has a ~$25 handsaw that gets some good reviews considering the attractive price/value.
I see a significant Paul Sellers influence in your methodology! And I say this as a fellow Paul Sellers apprentice with respect and admiration. Keep up the good work!
I was thinking the same thing! Nice work and craftsmanship.
I do use hand saws almost exclusively now, but I do not have a good place to store them. My smaller saws such as gents or dovetail saws I store in a tool chest drawer, but for the big saws, they just sit on my bench right now. That's why I'm interested in this video!
This is the kind of woodworking I love. Thank you.
Same here my friend! More to come!
@@FranksWorkbench Thank you
When doing dovetails, I use either coping or bow saw for 3/4 and greater, fret saw for 5/8 to just the 1/4 range, under 1/4 and in some cases up 3/8” I chisel out. For profiling, it’s typically bow and in rare occasions the coping. BTW; I do like that from the beginning in your video voyage, that you began using a scrub plane right out the gate. I didn’t get into using a dedicated scrub until I went +95% hand tool only. The converted No° 4 did ok, but there’s something amazing about using that narrow dedicated Veritas Scrub with it monster thick iron. It opens up more than just dimensioning and thicknessing, because it’s a great tool in quickly getting to profile shapes by nearly carving. Yes, the converted No° 4 or 5 can do the job, but a scrub designed for its purpose is a whole other tool. Glad to see someone like you use yours so much. 👍
Very good Frank. I appreciate serious no nonsense fine woodworking and no lousy music to distract me. Followed your link for the plans but couldn't find them.
Thank you! I had them all down for a few days due to a strange PayPal issue
This is beautiful work! Love the sound of that No.7 plane blade singing through the wood! I'm due to build a shed for my woodwork soon so will try making this as my current saw storage has them hanging by the handles and isn't so efficient!
Hi Frank. I use 1 inch x 1 inch tile shims/wedges. They are hard plastic and very durable. Since I'm also a tile installer I have them on hand. They work great! I also use the plastic shims for doors and other spacing needs.
I'm a new subscriber and really enjoy your tempo in the videos. I think you're on a roll! Thanks for sharing all your little tips and tricks along the way as you work through your projects!
Awesome man thank you!
To observe the work of the master of his business, a real pleasure. Thanks for the video!
Wow, thank you so much!
I'm also a birks hand tool guy! Love this till, I may still a portion of this for mine!
Daily handsaw user. Using ever since I saw someone good sawing fast. Faster than getting a saw out and plugging it in and fast enough to not tire out from sawing. I keep my saws in piles in all corners of shop and living room. My good back saws are stored in drawers in my bathroom. Not kidding. It’s a big bathroom and I have saw boxes in there.
All of your tools work perfectly. You have them sharp and well fetteled . It is a pleasure to see you use them! Show off that planing a little more...hehe
I bought a LN 7 after seeing this. Thanks bro.
Love the saw till concept. Previously used a saw chest that I loved but storage space forced a wall mount till. Life is good w/ handsaws.
i have a fret saw but it doesn't get much use. its great for getting in between dovetails if you like them just separated by kerf. but ya mostly i just grab the coping saw for everything else. the fret blades are pretty fragile too. love that till though
Good design and nice work. Can easily be tweaked into a gun rack too of course, and those are good gifts!
I like that one. Cheers. I keep a couple of my saws in my saw horse, a box built into the base. The rest are just in boxes for now. Oh well, off to the shop to make a till I guess.
I really like this till, Thanks for sharing!
New subscriber here. I'm hooked.
We hybrid and hantool woodworkers have our own vocabulary. I once told a carpenter/power tool woodworker I needed to build a handsaw till. He asked:"handsaw what"? ...Great build!
Nice work! I also see Paul Sellers influences in your work. Keep up the good work.
really nice!
Thanks!
I'd like to see/hear more on your bow saw... bought/made, tips n tricks for use, etc.
Awesome. Love the design and build process. Well played, sir, well played 👍
Right on, thanks!
Since you asked, I mainly use hand saws and I use a saw till very similar to yours. Functionally identical in fact, even down to the back saws on the right, hand saws on the left. It has tapered sides not curved ones but a shelf at the bottom just like yours. I keep my smoothing planes, router plane and plough plane there. I wish I had learned to sharpen them as well as you!
Nice! Great minds think alike eh?😉
My first idea was to taper the sides and shape the bottom like a saw handle so the side of the till looked like a wooden handsaw. Decided that might be cool but a bit gaudy.
@@FranksWorkbench ha ha, yes great minds think alike - better than fools never differ...
I use them and hang them on screws located on the rear of my entry door.
Yes the fret saw is worth it
I have been influenced by many utube guru’s ,the main influencer being Paul Sellers.👍
Epic as usual Mr. Frank!
I keep them on a peg board. I have a tool hutch and stand that I want to adapt the saw till in the hutch.
Made a saw till. Not quite like yours but similar. Nice design. Keep them coming.
Nice saw till , i love it 😄
Have you or Can you do a video on your saw maintenance; they always seem to cut so well. Maybe you've mentioned in another video I haven't seen?
very nice Frank, My compliments
Thanks Phil!
Really nice job, thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you sir!
I like to use hand saws because it is more productive and more enjoyable than going to the gym.
I have a fret saw, a coping saw, a couple tenon saws as well as a double sided pull saw. I'm not well versed in hand saw use, I tend to go to my band saw if possible. I tend to prefer the pull saws over the western style saws.
I am getting ready to build a saw till, so I've been looking at different ideas/designs/layouts to figure out how I want to store mine. Currently they are sort of all over the place.
"No 5 Eraser" 🙂 Nice!
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Good job you know….thanks for the video!
Thanks!
I've tried both fret and coping saws. I have strong preference for using a coping saw myself.
Appreciate that feedback!
Coping saw is what I use for general curve cutting that is less than what I use a bow saw for. Fret saw is the bomb for dovetails though.
nice, though i almost never repeat your success with squaring stock and seem to always be chasing the newly skewed edge no matter how much checking with a square. did learn one key tip to improve accuracy today, cut the first knife wall, then mark the second edge ... thanks
My premium saws are in a French tool rack (from Christopher Schwarz’s Anarchist Workbench) on the back of my
I have a lot of hand tools including many hand saws, and when I am able to overcome my laziness I try to use them. They are more enjoyable to use than most power tools, but have a steep learning curve - sharpening, hand planes not so much saws. I do need a good saw till to store all my saws.
Amen to that. Spent this morning being sprayed with sawdust from my table saw. Very much looking forward to some hand sawing on the next few projects!
I use hand saws I keep mine on a table. But after watching this video I'm thinking about a saw shelf
Keep it going , brother! You'll be at 100,000 subs by no time
Thanks man!!
I find a fret saw to be thinner. Use a skip tooth blade and it goes like crazy
At 1:38 where you showed the small gap, I would have left it as this is what is known as a sprung joint. This joint stops any chance of the ends of the boards seperating in the future. It's what my Mentor called an O. C. T ( Old Cabinetmakers Trick)
Mine are stored on a pegboard. Mixture of western and Japanese as.
Do you have a video making a shelf for your planning tools
I have a few but don't use them like you do (I like hand tools for finessing, not primary work). I have a dual sided Suizan saw that I use mostly when I have to make a quick cut and don't want to turn on or set up a jig on a big power tool, then a Suizan dovetail saw that I have barely used. Both of those hang on my tool wall. Then there's a Stew Mac fret saw that sits in a drawer (I only use it for cutting frets on a guitar/bass), and a terrible $2 coping saw that's also in a drawer. One day I may expand to a few other tools as I'm always trying to incorporate hand tools a little more into my work.
Awesome!
Made a cabinet over about 2 weeks. Then made the door which contained a large mirror. By yhe time I finished the door, the main cabinet had warped waynout of square. Love big box store wood. Not such a big deal to make a new cabinet. Everything solved when the parts were mated with a piano hinge and solidly connected to the wall.
like the project. have to make one. Who installed the Hot Water tank. That pressure relief line wouldn't pass here.
I'm not sure I'm guessing the previous homeowner or a handyman of some sort. I've been told it doesn't meet code here in tx either and is missing a pan or something like that too
I have a pile of tools and scraps on my workbench. It keeps growing. It's taking up half the workbench
me fascina es atecnica, la aplique en una librero y quedo super, me costo los cantos de la madera dejarlos cepillados ultra fino, por que aun no tengo ese plane no 7. ¿dondé lo puedo econtrar? al parecer es un woodriver
I use handsaws. I made a frame which I attached to the underside of a shelving rack. It's sort of like a squared capital A which is slatted within the square and saws are dropped in there toe first and resting on the handles. It was just supposed to be an interim solution but haven't changed it.
Goof ups? My most recent was a late night glue up of a mahogany and salted silver birch tea tray - morning light revealed I forgot to put the bottom panel in. O.o Had to cut off the dovetails and redo - smaller tray.
Oh yeah I've got a bunch of interim "until next month" solutions that end up lasting for years :)
Ouch! That's a good one, thanks for sharing!
Spend more on quality relatively more affordable hand tools and learning how to use them than on power tools? Do we agree on that?
Nicely done! BTW Which Rip saw were you using?
Nice design. What's on the shelf underneath?
Hand saws. Currently store them in a big disorganized pile of other tools.
My first attempt at mortise and tenons was a through mortise step stool and it was a massive mortise too close to the edge:.. the workpiece snapped off as I drove the tenon through 😕oops lol
I always use either a hand saw or a coping saw, they just hang on the wall
I love using well tuned hand saws, but try to avoid deep resaws. I do have a saw till and find it is way better than just hanging on hooks or pegs. On my till I filed rounded notches in handle support to keep saws in alignment. This is a very nice till and a big improvement to your old one. Don' have fret saw, but have same saws you used for curves. Don't plan on getting one. Quick question, was that spruce?
Great idea with filing the notch for handles, I may borrow that from you! Wood was was billed as eastern white pine, seems accurate -- very soft
i enjoyed watching you work and explain what you are doing. The handles on the saws you are using is nice. Did you make them? and the work bench in the corner....whats its story? I'm in a process of making a workbench based on paul sellers tutorial. But i also got some thick 4x12x10 (free and they have cracks anc checkings on them). Edge joining them is a bit of a challenge for me after i cut them in the middle and got rid of the crack. Wondering if i should leave the second piece as is and do a butterfly wedge to stop them from cracking more and do a simple bench like yours. Tips? Thoughts?
Frank another nice build. Looks great, I do like the curved shape. Did you use a bow saw kit to make the bow saw? You mentioned your table saw, maybe do a video on the power tools you ave and the reasons for the choices for the tools you have. We haven't seen much of your power tools with the emphasis on hand tools on your channel. Just a question about your bench, it's a Nicholson style I believe, I am curious about the planks that form the top, have you found them stable? Thanks again for the time to produce helpful videos.
I bought that bow saw already made and ready to use from tools for working wood. The planks for my bench top... Surprisingly stable, but it could really use a flattening to be honest
I use only handsaws. My workspace is on a tiny balcony, so i dont have room for any powertools. Allso, any powertool makes allot of noise and will upset the neighbours. So, handtools all the way. As for where I store them....jeez, anywhere i can as I have little to no storage space.
I have tried using fret saws and have struggled to not have the blade break on me. I am guessing user error is the culprit but I have been trying some different techniques.
Does this mean we will get a SAW SHARPENING VIDEO! :D
Side note: I use handsaws (esp right now since I am still waiting for my new table saw) I have a lot of issues with them but i believe it is user error since I typically use power tools for sawing but hand tools for almost everything else. They are currently stored hanging on nails on the wall. I will be building something for them soon since I am in the middle of (another) shop remodel :)
No joke when I started using hand saws the cut would curve out to the left or right every stinkin' time. Bout made me pull out my hair. I used to have a nice head of hair before that too 😀. Looked like Fabio. Hope your new shop goes smoothly!
@@FranksWorkbench hahha maybe that's why I'm starting to loose my hair too!! 😅
To answer some of your questions...I use hand saws almost exclusively and store them on pegs on the wall. Back saws are attached to holders on my bench.
I just had a stupid screw up on my last project. I made a frame and panel door where the panel was tambour style slats. I took time to line them all up aesthetically, beveled the front, and numbered them. Started with the middle one and worked out. When gluing up I put the middle piece that I based the others on in backwards 🤦♂️
No one but me will ever see it or know
man I can relate I do something like that every project feels like!! LOL
Frame saw storage?
My goof up? I build my workbench square and true with hand tools. Not caring about the flooring of my workspace - which turns out is not in level. At all. So when I cut my legs to length with the top in level suddenly my cross bearers became quite crooked... (If that makes sense. English isn't my first language)
Haha oh I can relate!! Thanks for sharing!
How can I buy the plans
I keep my handsaws in a till in my tool chest, but that is mostly so the little ones don’t get any ideas while running around in the basement
Haha good call, I get frequent "help" in the shop too! 😂
Gathering tools as I can afford them
I like the saw til, is your flush cut saw just a western style saw with no set on the teeth? I see pull style flush cut saws all the time, i even have one, i just don't prefer it to western saws. great video!
I also like the shelf you for hand saw Maintenance things, like your saw set and files.
Thanks man!! Actually I was just messing around about the flush cut saw, that's just a normal handsaw I use all the time for crosscuts!
Does anyone know if Frank is using a flat or round spoke shave?
The tight bottom curve was definitely round, can't recall about the upper curve
@@FranksWorkbench Thank you!
just starting woodworking, do you think i can joint with a 17" wooden jack plane? And do i have to camber the iron?
Take this for what's it's worth bc I don't use wooden planes but 17" is a great length to joint an edge with. I wouldn't camber the iron too much, just do it slightly or even only taking off the sharp corners would be good.
@@FranksWorkbench Thanks for the advice! Love your videos man
What kind of wood do you use? Thank you.
Pine 👍
I prefer a fret saw for wasting, the narrow blade can literally turn 90⁰ from your cut line, unlike a coping saw where you have to curve it...... its jus a little easier to clean up 😁
A fret saw is worth it........ but dont bother with a fancy one that will cost you a small fortune, it's a tool that's used for wasting...... it's not the last tool to touch the wood, so save your money for a more important tool..... dont let the CZcams woodworkers lure you into unnecessary things 🤷♂️😁 Mine is a Pegas fret saw with a 75mm throat (3inch in your money) it cost me about 15€. I twist the blade with a small pliers so the depth of the throat doesnt come into play when wasting dovetails on wide boards, or tenons like you cut here.
I enjoyed this...... I like anything to do with hand tools 💥🤙
Great input thanks!
Frank, what kind of pine is it that youre using?
Eastern white pine
@@FranksWorkbenchthank you!
Which straight edge were you using 1:10 in?
Fulton aluminum straight edge, got a 3 pack on Amazon!
Where did you buy the hand plane from?
Thanks brotha got it at woodcraft!
YUNo Japanese Saw?
Hi, what wood did you use?
Eastern white pine
cool.....where do you get your saws?
In the till ive got a disston d8, some Thomas flinn panel and backsaws and some inexpensive spear and Jackson panel and backsaws
@@FranksWorkbench thanks
One more comment to viewers, this is a new channel and it would be good if people could help out and become Patreons. Frank has put out some great content and I think we all would like to see more, so if you can help out. Frank didn't bring it up and I hope he doesn't mind me reminding fans of channel.
I do use handsaws. I am ashamed to say they are leaning against each other in the corner of my [very small] workshop
I use hand saw’s regularly and store on hooks nothing special.