Exactly right! Too many never seem to consider that all they fear about China, might be exactly the thing other countries fear about the USA. Or even US citizens should wonder about. Can you trust your companies? So only one, suggestion is valid: a comprehensive data privacy law protecting people from all companies and governments. But of course, US corporate interests and their own spying agencies will never allow that. Can you imagine, a free people!?
And the revenue stream would dry up for all these tech giants which would result in substantial rate increases to every consumer. When the idol is money, you get screwed from every direction as we see especially in this country.
They could only raiss costs so much without deterring people. They make much more off your data compared to how much it would cost to own the app and stop data sharing
Since when has that stopped any sigint agencies? Don't they do it without being found out, per Snowden's revelations? Yet they're still persecuting Assange despite all our free speech values. In war, all civility is gone. And the repubs are on track to manufacture one on their own.
This is a really good summary of the pros and cons of this issue. And I have to agree right at the start you point out the obvious. Why does our government allow corporations to dig so deep into our personal data for their profit. Screw that. If we had comprehensive data protection, TikTok wouldn't be an issue. In fact, none of these companies would be an issue. Thank you for putting this together. Presenting it in a very thoughtful way and articulating this situation very well. Kudos
People who voted for Biden want to pay three times more for food gasoline and rent. Democrats want our children to be taught to hate the color of their own skin in school. Democrats want Biden to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and pay the Ukrainian people's pensions while millions of Americans are homeless and hungry. Democrat inflation is now crushing American families and democrat voters are glad because this will destroy America and bring communism sooner. Democrats are glad Biden has hired 87,000 new IRS agents to persecute American families now struggling under Biden's crushing 20% inflation, which is a back door tax. So the Democrats and Biden want tax after tax piled on the American people. Democrats want hundreds of millions of the world's poor flowing into our country crushing our economy, culture and way of life. People who voted for Biden think they will build back better with communism, but they will only succeed in bankrupting and destroying America.
I put a longer version of this in it's own post. Go read TikTok's open user agreement. They admit to being given access to taking all of your photos and videos and documents. What they're not admitting is they could probably image your entire phone and capture passwords. It's terrorising. Right from 1 minute into the video, I can see that you do not even understand what you're talking about, Fareed. Usually, you're good, in this case, you're terrible. Absolutely abysmal. The difference between a small data mine of people via cookies and sites and Tik Tok saying in their disclosure are two HORRIBLY different things. One captures your name, phone number and some other things. TikTok's user disclosure says that it reserves the right to capture whatever data it wants to on your phone, including access to things like picture databases which means it'll be document databases and clouds too.
I think at some point it would be nice for everyone, Republicans and some Democrats who are pushing this bill through. Acknowledge that this is more about votes than protection. If Congress certainly wanted to protect us and our data, let me emphasize our data, my data, they would pass laws to do so. The United States thrives on my data. I get no benefit and they get all the benefit. They as in corporations.
When I was in China in 2009, there was an oft-repeated comment that the US and China were like two ships passing each other in the night...the two becoming more like each other to the point of swapping places, and few could see it happening.
China is not moving towards rights for their people nor free and fair elections. USA isn't becoming China, no matter what this guy thinks. There will be no swapping of places.
And how do we fight misinformation that’s crumbling to pieces our civilization? Behind silly frilly videos there is brainwashing of vulnerable, poorly educated people as we’ve never seen before. Sure, the government is not there to limit the freedom of expression. But, we have a destructive force amongst us and to paraphrase an Indian writer - the horrors of society where the worst of us have all the zeal and the moderates lack any conviction.
Yeah, it makes sense to say that China can get your info in a lot of ways so why not give them another way. They can also get military secrets in other ways so why don't we let them just fly balloons all over the country. Yeah this makes a lot of sense to your average cnn viewer.
Fared Zakaria’s op-eds are always soberly reasoned and objective. You may ultimately decide to agree or disagree with him, but he always makes you think. And that is always a good thing in a world that cannot afford knee-jerk reactions. That said, I couldn’t help laughing at his opening statement: “I am the father of two young women, so there is a part of me that would be absolutely delighted to see TikTok banned.”
@@gaiapj2274 That is not what he said. He said his children were young women, implying that they are older teenagers and, yes, they are at the age where they have considerable independence but generally lack the wisdom of their parents. These are the most vulnerable years of all.
My thoughts exactly! This report is the best one I heard regarding TikTok and freedom of speech. Especially the last line..."it seems we're becoming more alike china for each day"
Thanks FZ for a real thought provoking video. You may have even changed my mind on this subject. We need more journalists like you. You addressed my concern about the safety of the data with facts that one can only hope are true, especially if we do not ultimately ban TT.
"...naming this for what it is...". You didn't say what "it" is. Xenophobia? Political posturing? Leveraging personal information for non-commercial ends? I'm just encouraging you to expound more fully. Go Whale Song! :)
The name, Whale Song, reminds me of the series Extraordinary Attorney Woo. It's worth a look because it's about an attorney (autistic), whose fascination with whales is woven into the cases she is assigned.
@@MsTyrie 😂😂😂 isn’t only trump who’s the xenophob ?? What Biden n democrats are also .. 😂😂😂and here the guy only mentions trump and alludes about republican states , fox , Murdoch ..
I hear you, but privacy has been gone on almost every level for years. They know where you are, and what you say on almost any electronic device and then there's cameras and A.I. tracking you. Take a look at the more advanced computers soon to come online and Chaos A.I. It's easy to find on most platforms. Just put in chaos a.i.
Republicans don't believe in banning anything nationally. We just want an American company to buy 51% of tiktok. How tf is that Orwellian???? Even the strange LGBT books. We don't want them banned, just out of elementary schools. They can easily be found at public libraries if you want that type of content. Nobody wants to ban anything. Even abortion. It's a state issue. States have rights to ban it if they want and others can keep it. IT'S A LOCAL ISSUE. Orwellian my ass 😂😂
People who voted for Biden want to pay three times more for food gasoline and rent. Democrats want our children to be taught to hate the color of their own skin in school. Democrats want Biden to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and pay the Ukrainian people's pensions while millions of Americans are homeless and hungry. Democrat inflation is now crushing American families and democrat voters are glad because this will destroy America and bring communism sooner. Democrats are glad Biden has hired 87,000 new IRS agents to persecute American families now struggling under Biden's crushing 20% inflation, which is a back door tax. So the Democrats and Biden want tax after tax piled on the American people. Democrats want hundreds of millions of the world's poor flowing into our country crushing our economy, culture and way of life. People who voted for Biden think they will build back better with communism, but they will only succeed in bankrupting and destroying America.
next time maybe us americans will think more carefully before we beileve every drop of anti china propaganda even if it means giving up our freedoms for "saftey".
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
Same here. Quit Facebook in 2010 & quit Twitter in 2011. Never have had a sleepless night over it. I'm happiest not giving a bleeping bleep wtf "everyone" is up to. The last time someone tried to convince me "wear this like that because everyone wears their things like that", my response was "Goody for them, now they look like every other grain of sand on the beach"
Fareed, I haven't watched you in a while but you nailed it! I know why I have been a fan for what is it (?) 50 years! -Cliff Battleship Marine Supply Fairhope, Alabama
it was a brilliant assessment although his liberal TDS took over in one example when it has been proven that the current administration has been the worst in censorship in US history. Other than that, it was a brilliant assessment.
@@JamesManon china is building massive number of Nuclear bombs and ICBMs. and they are not pointing at russia or N.K0rea. how they are financing them? tiktok money, at least part of it.
Me too did it 2019 due to all the election stuff and finding out life long friends had strong opinions I had no idea about. It was the best thing. Now I need to quit twitter because I find myself pissed all day
I like how you analyze this topic intellectually. Clearly defining how bad TikTok is for the generations yet banning it may become a decision that contradicts what america stood for so long.
Mr Zaharia, you are a treasure for the United States. You are highly intelligent and communicate clearly. I do enjoy watching your show and your CZcams videos. Thank you for clarifying this issue with social medias.
Google practices the same thing you idiot Try googling Ukraine war and you only see the Ukrainians winning over the Russians all over the place. In the mid-time their army has been depleted ...GOD MAY BLESS YOUR RAINBOW EMPIRE🌈🌈🌈
I instintively thought that this sounded like collective paranoia, thank-you Fareed for explaining in detail something that my gut feeling was telling me was wrong. Group thinking and tribal behaviour based on no facts exists in all societies.
The worst problem of TikTok is not the security issues but the content people produce with it. Social media must be regulated in some kind of way just like money.
While I get his overarching point, this business of "china bashing" is out of touch at best, and downright suspect at worst... Did we forget xi's recent visit with putin?? It's not simply that china is not a US or NATO ally, it's that they're overtly hostile to western world democracies... Hell, xi's prc doesn't even respect the sovereignty of the ROC in Taiwan!!!
Fareed plus Ann Applebaum are two of the very few signs that there is such a thing as conservatism in America. Prudence. Foresight. Care. Remember them? Conservative values. America will depend upon people like Fareed to rebuild the right-hand-side of the house's standards, once the present fever passes.
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
BTW. Google owns Fitbit now. If you’re accustomed to receiving your messages on your Fitbit, you need to be careful because your access codes and account information can come through and text and it’s all on your Fitbit and archived by Google
Then report the Spam in your Inbox so they get screened next time. Google does not share information. AI can guess your e-mail address and permutations thereof. That’s where spam comes from. I have three inboxes, one of them Gmail. None of them have spam or solicitations anymore. All the mail I get come from subscriptions I know and approved before.
To me part of the issue is the conflation between the US's lack of meaningful privacy legislation and a specific app, in this case TikTok, that's a risk due to the current geopolitical issues. There's lots of examples of effective privacy legislation out there (Europe's GDPR for example) that could be used as a starting point. The real issue is that the on sale of customer private information is a very lucrative business and US legislators consistently fail with the Ethics vs Money question.
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
It's too late...😪 children should've been emotionally mature and critical thinking skills a few generations ago...all this shit shows missing is a car full of clowns throwing popcorn...like watching a tradgity happing in slow motion right before your eyes. Where many can't even name the 2 countries that border our great country...how could they possibly understand invisible data privacy, or anything that happens outside of their tini-tiny world their 50 mile block, which usually consists of a gas station, a grocery store, and a school. We forget that there's a big giant world out there that isn't the US of fucking A. They think vegetables come from a grocery store...🤔🧐 they have no idea that if one cog breaks, it stops...🤯
Thank you for expressing a well reasoned, fact-based, articulate argument against banning the TikTok app in the U.S. I was unaware of the alternatives, in terms of national security and privacy issues, and ignorant of the political impact it would have on the free flow of information. Now I have a better-informed opinion on this issue. Nice work!
Biden's national security strategy was presented by the CSIS, they're a lot smarter about what is important. The republicans in congress just want to generate anti-China video clips on them trashing a Singaporean, so they can use race based politics for their voter base.
@@davidsargent9359 Friendly old Brit: Hollywood was the original TikTok with its skewed version of life in America and its origins and history. As an 85YO I was an impressionable kid in the '40s and took everything I saw on the screen as reflective of history until I got into books.
@@davidsargent9359 , didn't know there was even a classified report on this. Source? But even if there is a classified reason, then isn't it easily solvable by explicit laws and warrant requests into tiktok's operations rather than gaslighting the public?
@@jimmcloughlin , aw, come on, most people don't really believe Hollywood. Besides, TV channels lile fox with.their manufactured "news" had a more brainwashing effect to the general population. At a time moms wouldn't.let their kids sit watching TV all day. What happened?
In my opinion, any new law on social media should mandate that the default position for all users (new and old) is to prevent any data mining or sharing. Furthermore, penalties for violating this rule should be egregious. If, for some reason, a user WANTED to have their personal data shared, then the user would need to actively seek out the correct screen and opt in to such a scheme.
That is an untenable solution. Why do you think these services are free? Targeted ads aren't bad and advertising is a great way to subsidize all the free services. Government should champion transparency and informed consent, not block targeting.
@@DigSamurai Respectfully, I think you missed my point. I never said anything about the ads, or whether or not the applications/programs should remain free of charge. I only referred to the data sharing and data mining. Although I don't use these applications, if I did I would much rather pay $10.00 per month than have every one of my digital moves be noticed, shared, and monetized. Finally, you mentioned informed consent. I agree. So why do most/all of these programs have data mining and data sharing as the default position? And if someone is savvy enough to want to opt out, then the process is tortuous and convoluted BY DESIGN. The company actively restricts your attempts at informed consent. How do you propose to fix that?
@@andrewrohde2373 If you would rather pay $10 a month then you are an outlier because the vast majority of people would not. You ask questions to which the answer is painfully obvious. These are capitalist companies with shareholders they have to satisfy.
@@DigSamurai it isn’t unattainable. This is part of the GDPR in Europe and it is still working very well over here. The default setting for all, except for performance necessary, cookies and trackings must be to be deactivated. If you want to share additional data, you are free to do so, but you are not forced to. There are still plenty people who allow this to happen, but it is the choice which is important to give to the consumer.
I lost my 25 year marriage, and a contributing element was my wife’s teenage like addiction to TikTok, she is in her 40s. My kids’ dream to go to medical school is now in jeopardy.
Tik Tok is a bad addiction, don't let these idiots tell you otherwise. Nothing but nonsense and misinformation is coming from Tik Tok. We are better off without it. China bans Tik Tok in their own country. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Addiction is addiction. I was addicted to games on my computer, backgammon spider solitaire etc & played them a straight 48 hours long ago. I removed them from my computer & subsequent devices entirely. I haven't touched any for over a decade, but I know my tendency, so I stay away from them anywhere I go.
On point. I feel the same. Especially the last few minutes of the video. I have some kinda deja vu to watch not only America but also Canada turns into more and more like the Chinese government. It's scary. I feel so powerless that I can't do anything about it but watch it slowly fall.
I disagree. TikTok is poison. The CCP is evil. Do not be taken in by the CCP. They’re making a mockery of our freedoms to further their own agenda. Do not be fooled. We made the same mistake with Putin. Xi is no different.
Tbf patriot act preceeded chinese surveillance US company also built Chinese firewall Not mention Facebook and Google all were started with military money and have extensive cia and nsa presence in their companies
A goverment *offering* health care doesn't mean that you can't get health care from abroad or from private actors. You can't really turn to private actors for the access of information if they've been banned... And the US already uses over twice the money pr citizen on healthcare that other western countries does despite having worse outcomes. The important principle is that *everyone* should have access to healthcare without going bankrupt or risk denial of service. Markets and demand and supply doesn't really work if you are passed out and unable to negotiate prices, or have no choice but to purchase something because you'll die without it. Demand is therefore infinite regardless of the amount of supply, so it pays to limit supply to where people are willing to pay more. Have you noticed how ambulance are practically never "in network"? It's because people don't really have a choice about network or services when they need it so those companies earn more by not having a deal with the insurance companies and simply demanding payment anyway. Yet their employees often can't afford a insurance themselves, so during the pandemic lots of ambulance workers where bringing people in to get health care they themselves could not afford to receive and didn't have access to. You don't need to have a government run health care system if you don't want to. But having a government negotiating prices is essentially the same as every cizen of a country going together in a union or something to negotiate health care services together. It gives citizens negotiation powers. Don't pick individual medications or government owned health care, just set price caps for each category of medication and services. That solves a lot of problems. Another issue is all of the bureaucracy. Americans use more money on hospitall bureaucracy then on actual diagnostics every year, despite US diagnostics being the most overpriced form of healthcare in the whole world... If you simplified it to have a single payment system of some kind you'd avoid that problem. Imagine every citizen being registered in a government system with a account for health care services pr citizen for instance, anything paid in there would be available to the hospital, and in case of emergency treatment or anything chronic it can automatically be overcharged covered by the government, then instead of each and every hospital having to deal with every single insurance company the government could simply send a demand to you that can be fulfilled by the insurance company or yourself or whatever system is picked. Either way a ton of hospital bureaucracy would be saved reducing costs. This kind of inefficiencies are rampant in the US health care system. But quite frankly if you nationalized everything and just let the government own al the healthcare you would basically half the health care costs simply due to getting rid of so much bureaucracy... You'd have the same health care cost as you're already paying through your taxes today (that only currently covers some American citizens but still charges every single US citizen as much in health care costs as we do in European countries where 100% of health care costs for every citizen is covered by the state). Or you could continue with the whole privat insurance system thing but just regulate it and streamline the process of registering patients and dealing with coverage by the insurance companies etc... Like seriously, it doesn't really matter that much I'd it's public or private, the outrageous part is that you guys in your country think that it's acceptable that people are either denied health care, is bankrupted by health care costs or is afraid of seeking health care because of the costs, as even *with* a insurance most people still ends up paying so much themselves that they end up indebted... As a European I actually find it more upsetting how much suffering exists within your own country that's somehow accepted by your society and the fact that so many of you essentially ends up relying on donations from others including us Europeans on crowd founding sites... Like seriously, how is it okay that 27% of GoFundMe is to cover health care of mainly Americans?!? Europeans have already spent billions on paying for *US* healthcare that quite frankly those recieving that treatment already have paid for over the tax system in terms of the percentage of their taxes going to health care. But because of how inefficient your system is your goverment can only afford to cover veterans etc... It the system was made universal and nationalized you'd be able to cover everyone while barely changing the government health care cost to begin with... And like I said, once you factor in the savings in private insurances you'd end up saving about half the money... You could still have private hospitals and extra services for rich people to use in order to save goverment expenses if desired... Like just, do *something*... Because the current system is messed up...
You cannot compare banning a book to banning an electronic mobile device that follows your every move and then Taylor’s what you see and feel. Wake up America. Fast!
This is a thoughtful and well-reasoned piece by Mr. Zakaria. I counter that we should indeed ban Tik-Tok because teens are annoying af. I rest my case.
Pharma companies don’t even get touched, what’re you talking about lol. That’s where politicians have their money invested in. That’s why big Pharma is immune to pretty much everything
Absolutely correct. If we adopted privacy policies that exist in the EU, this wouldn't even be an issue. The problem is that Google, Facebook and others hate this, because they engage in the same practices that Tik Tok does in the Untied States It should be about protecting the privacy of individuals against the abuses of corporations as well as governments.
I don’t want anybody violating my right to privacy, if there even is such a thing anymore. And that includes this government and any other domestic or foreign entity. Now, how about that?
It’s not only Tik Tok what about Twitter, Facebook. They are all guilty you should fear them all, let’s be real here. They pose very concerning issues and fear.
The biggest problem I have with TikTok is that it's banned in its country of origin. Also that a propaganda platform is a lot more effective if it's subtle and 99%+ of the time it's not propaganda'ing.
The version we are forced to use is banned. In China, there is a different version, that puts very strict time limits on when , and how long, minors can use it, and what content they can see. The version for adults is more for online sales.
US intel committee will never permit a comprehensive data privacy law. They would lose the best mass access spying tools they have ever had.
Exactly right! Too many never seem to consider that all they fear about China, might be exactly the thing other countries fear about the USA. Or even US citizens should wonder about. Can you trust your companies?
So only one, suggestion is valid: a comprehensive data privacy law protecting people from all companies and governments.
But of course, US corporate interests and their own spying agencies will never allow that. Can you imagine, a free people!?
hmmmn. another angle Caroline. thanks
And the revenue stream would dry up for all these tech giants which would result in substantial rate increases to every consumer. When the idol is money, you get screwed from every direction as we see especially in this country.
They could only raiss costs so much without deterring people. They make much more off your data compared to how much it would cost to own the app and stop data sharing
Since when has that stopped any sigint agencies? Don't they do it without being found out, per Snowden's revelations? Yet they're still persecuting Assange despite all our free speech values. In war, all civility is gone. And the repubs are on track to manufacture one on their own.
This is a really good summary of the pros and cons of this issue. And I have to agree right at the start you point out the obvious. Why does our government allow corporations to dig so deep into our personal data for their profit. Screw that. If we had comprehensive data protection, TikTok wouldn't be an issue. In fact, none of these companies would be an issue. Thank you for putting this together. Presenting it in a very thoughtful way and articulating this situation very well. Kudos
People who voted for Biden want to pay three times more for food gasoline and rent. Democrats want our children to be taught to hate the color of their own skin in school. Democrats want Biden to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and pay the Ukrainian people's pensions while millions of Americans are homeless and hungry. Democrat inflation is now crushing American families and democrat voters are glad because this will destroy America and bring communism sooner. Democrats are glad Biden has hired 87,000 new IRS agents to persecute American families now struggling under Biden's crushing 20% inflation, which is a back door tax. So the Democrats and Biden want tax after tax piled on the American people. Democrats want hundreds of millions of the world's poor flowing into our country crushing our economy, culture and way of life. People who voted for Biden think they will build back better with communism, but they will only succeed in bankrupting and destroying America.
It's already banned in my country for this reason also border dispute
I put a longer version of this in it's own post. Go read TikTok's open user agreement. They admit to being given access to taking all of your photos and videos and documents. What they're not admitting is they could probably image your entire phone and capture passwords. It's terrorising.
Right from 1 minute into the video, I can see that you do not even understand what you're talking about, Fareed. Usually, you're good, in this case, you're terrible. Absolutely abysmal.
The difference between a small data mine of people via cookies and sites and Tik Tok saying in their disclosure are two HORRIBLY different things. One captures your name, phone number and some other things. TikTok's user disclosure says that it reserves the right to capture whatever data it wants to on your phone, including access to things like picture databases which means it'll be document databases and clouds too.
I think at some point it would be nice for everyone, Republicans and some Democrats who are pushing this bill through. Acknowledge that this is more about votes than protection. If Congress certainly wanted to protect us and our data, let me emphasize our data, my data, they would pass laws to do so. The United States thrives on my data. I get no benefit and they get all the benefit. They as in corporations.
I can't say that Chinese hyenas circling are much worse than Corporate hyenas circling.
When I was in China in 2009, there was an oft-repeated comment that the US and China were like two ships passing each other in the night...the two becoming more like each other to the point of swapping places, and few could see it happening.
Especially since they borrowed pseudo capitalism and we're about to become a quasi authoritarian society.
Go live in china and see how much alike it is.
Idea promoted by the CCP while it wages war of almost every kind against the US.
China is not moving towards rights for their people nor free and fair elections. USA isn't becoming China, no matter what this guy thinks. There will be no swapping of places.
Glad to hear you coming out and standing up for true American ideals. I hate tik tok, but banning is not the way to fight it.
What IS the way to fight it?
And how do we fight misinformation that’s crumbling to pieces our civilization? Behind silly frilly videos there is brainwashing of vulnerable, poorly educated people as we’ve never seen before. Sure, the government is not there to limit the freedom of expression. But, we have a destructive force amongst us and to paraphrase an Indian writer - the horrors of society where the worst of us have all the zeal and the moderates lack any conviction.
you always make sense,thank you
His argument, nonsense.
@@t.r.campbell6585 Would you please explain how?
But, use small words.
I don't want you to hurt yourself.
Yeah, it makes sense to say that China can get your info in a lot of ways so why not give them another way. They can also get military secrets in other ways so why don't we let them just fly balloons all over the country. Yeah this makes a lot of sense to your average cnn viewer.
@@t.r.campbell6585He’s not arguing. What’s your point?
Fared Zakaria’s op-eds are always soberly reasoned and objective. You may ultimately decide to agree or disagree with him, but he always makes you think. And that is always a good thing in a world that cannot afford knee-jerk reactions.
That said, I couldn’t help laughing at his opening statement: “I am the father of two young women, so there is a part of me that would be absolutely delighted to see TikTok banned.”
TRUMP MAKE
So he has no control over his children.
@@gaiapj2274 That is not what he said. He said his children were young women, implying that they are older teenagers and, yes, they are at the age where they have considerable independence but generally lack the wisdom of their parents. These are the most vulnerable years of all.
@@DavidHarrisondavidoharrison
You proved my point...Children...even with the title of young women lack the ability to understand. and he can't control them.
Spot on!
There is more than this sending chills down our spine😮 And it's not over🙄
Thank you Fareed. You are a rare, clear thinker we need.
My thoughts exactly! This report is the best one I heard regarding TikTok and freedom of speech.
Especially the last line..."it seems we're becoming more alike china for each day"
Typical hater
nice joke
Very true. Thank you for your thoughts.
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Thanks for being civil. You don't get this kind of conversation when trump was in office, his trolls were all over.
Thanks Mr Faree for share this video resume and to help us to understand better the situation about it. Regards
Thanks FZ for a real thought provoking video. You may have even changed my mind on this subject. We need more journalists like you. You addressed my concern about the safety of the data with facts that one can only hope are true, especially if we do not ultimately ban TT.
Fareed, just as all CNN "journalists", are merely Democrat advocates and pro-communist China propagandists
FZ is a war monger, war criminal enabler
Agreed 100% and thank you so much for naming this for what it is, and for offering a truly constructive approach to secure our privacy.
"...naming this for what it is...". You didn't say what "it" is. Xenophobia? Political posturing? Leveraging personal information for non-commercial ends? I'm just encouraging you to expound more fully. Go Whale Song! :)
The name, Whale Song, reminds me of the series Extraordinary Attorney Woo. It's worth a look because it's about an attorney (autistic), whose fascination with whales is woven into the cases she is assigned.
@@MsTyrie 😂😂😂 isn’t only trump who’s the xenophob ?? What Biden n democrats are also .. 😂😂😂and here the guy only mentions trump and alludes about republican states , fox , Murdoch ..
I hear you, but privacy has been gone on almost every level for years. They know where you are, and what you say on almost any electronic device and then there's cameras and A.I. tracking you.
Take a look at the more advanced computers soon to come online and Chaos A.I. It's easy to find on most platforms. Just put in chaos a.i.
These guys restrict all free flow of info to there info which is a communist adjenda
Thank you Fareed for your continuous insight and sharing this with us!!!
Republicans don't believe in banning anything nationally. We just want an American company to buy 51% of tiktok. How tf is that Orwellian???? Even the strange LGBT books. We don't want them banned, just out of elementary schools. They can easily be found at public libraries if you want that type of content. Nobody wants to ban anything. Even abortion. It's a state issue. States have rights to ban it if they want and others can keep it. IT'S A LOCAL ISSUE. Orwellian my ass 😂😂
People who voted for Biden want to pay three times more for food gasoline and rent. Democrats want our children to be taught to hate the color of their own skin in school. Democrats want Biden to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and pay the Ukrainian people's pensions while millions of Americans are homeless and hungry. Democrat inflation is now crushing American families and democrat voters are glad because this will destroy America and bring communism sooner. Democrats are glad Biden has hired 87,000 new IRS agents to persecute American families now struggling under Biden's crushing 20% inflation, which is a back door tax. So the Democrats and Biden want tax after tax piled on the American people. Democrats want hundreds of millions of the world's poor flowing into our country crushing our economy, culture and way of life. People who voted for Biden think they will build back better with communism, but they will only succeed in bankrupting and destroying America.
Very insightful, didn't see that side of the issue.Great work.
Stop that law from passing!!!
Thank you. I knew something was wrong about all this and I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thank you again.
next time maybe us americans will think more carefully before we beileve every drop of anti china propaganda even if it means giving up our freedoms for "saftey".
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
Americans don't know how to intellectually fight against McCarthyism yet.
Proud to say I’ve never spent even one second on tiktok
Same here. Quit Facebook in 2010 & quit Twitter in 2011. Never have had a sleepless night over it. I'm happiest not giving a bleeping bleep wtf "everyone" is up to.
The last time someone tried to convince me "wear this like that because everyone wears their things like that", my response was "Goody for them, now they look like every other grain of sand on the beach"
The point is the goal is to make more fascist law not just about tic tok
Me too
I'm not fan of it
Not the point though. I dont use Tiktok either but banning it simply because a Chinese company owns it is ridiculous, fascist and anti free market.
Same here, but for CZcams
Thank you Fareed Zakaria, well said!!
Thanks, Fareed
Insightful reporting
Regulate all social media.
and hold executives and Board of Directors personally responsible for violating those regulation laws
Why not start with "Truth Social"?
@@davidpartydoc1005 You mean "Pravda Socialism"
@@davidpartydoc1005 Truth is an almost irrelevant echo chamber.
@@davidpartydoc1005 TDS
Fared, this is a very good piece. Thank you.
Bhag Pakistani musalman 😅😂😅😅😅😅
No, it isnt. Americans having free access to consume broadcasts is different from the CCP having access to take our data.
Nsa doing the same thing
Fareed,
I haven't watched you in a while but you nailed it!
I know why I have been a fan for what is it (?) 50 years!
-Cliff
Battleship Marine Supply
Fairhope, Alabama
Best synopsis of the situation and obvious solution
Thank you, Fareed for sharing your viewpoint. You've given me information to consider when weighing this issue.
interesting, enlightening point to think over - well done.
Thanks Much !
This is such a powerfull speech! Good take Fareed!
Brilliant assessment. Thank you for clarifying the possibilities but also the implications to American values.
I wish you good health
it was a brilliant assessment although his liberal TDS took over in one example when it has been proven that the current administration has been the worst in censorship in US history. Other than that, it was a brilliant assessment.
American values brought to you BY the Chinese communist party!!
wonderful!
get it today!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@tocreatee3585 prove that is the case. I hope you still believe in freedom of speech
@@JamesManon china is building massive number of Nuclear bombs and ICBMs.
and they are not pointing at russia or N.K0rea.
how they are financing them? tiktok money, at least part of it.
greatest life improvement I made was getting rid of Facebook.
Me too did it 2019 due to all the election stuff and finding out life long friends had strong opinions I had no idea about. It was the best thing. Now I need to quit twitter because I find myself pissed all day
I like how you analyze this topic intellectually. Clearly defining how bad TikTok is for the generations yet banning it may become a decision that contradicts what america stood for so long.
TikTok is just a window into our culture
Mr Zaharia, you are a treasure for the United States. You are highly intelligent and communicate clearly. I do enjoy watching your show and your CZcams videos. Thank you for clarifying this issue with social medias.
Google practices the same thing you idiot Try googling Ukraine war and you only see the Ukrainians winning over the Russians all over the place. In the mid-time their army has been depleted ...GOD MAY BLESS YOUR RAINBOW EMPIRE🌈🌈🌈
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meh.....he's good but not that good. .........
I instintively thought that this sounded like collective paranoia, thank-you Fareed for explaining in detail something that my gut feeling was telling me was wrong. Group thinking and tribal behaviour based on no facts exists in all societies.
Can we ban CNN & Fareed for spreading fake news?
Lies again? App Store
I'll allow TikTok the day the CPC allows Facebook, Google, Instagram, Twitter. Fair deal.
Think what you will. China will appreciate it.
The worst problem of TikTok is not the security issues but the content people produce with it. Social media must be regulated in some kind of way just like money.
Fareed, you are straight-out right.
I have great respect for Fareed, that was brilliant.
While I get his overarching point, this business of "china bashing" is out of touch at best, and downright suspect at worst... Did we forget xi's recent visit with putin?? It's not simply that china is not a US or NATO ally, it's that they're overtly hostile to western world democracies... Hell, xi's prc doesn't even respect the sovereignty of the ROC in Taiwan!!!
Fareed plus Ann Applebaum are two of the very few signs that there is such a thing as conservatism in America. Prudence. Foresight. Care. Remember them? Conservative values.
America will depend upon people like Fareed to rebuild the right-hand-side of the house's standards, once the present fever passes.
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
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Wow , I almost ," almost!" Respect a small part of CNN soul for this report !
Good job Fareed !
It's to protect the profit and power of American Social Media companies nothing more nothing less.
Very well put. Great commentary.
Google lies about not sharing information. As soon as the required my phone number, email and phone got backed up with spam and solicitors.
BTW. Google owns Fitbit now. If you’re accustomed to receiving your messages on your Fitbit, you need to be careful because your access codes and account information can come through and text and it’s all on your Fitbit and archived by Google
They all lie and they all sell your data to advertisers and anyone whom will pay eg Facebook/Meta/Instagram etc
Then report the Spam in your Inbox so they get screened next time. Google does not share information. AI can guess your e-mail address and permutations thereof. That’s where spam comes from.
I have three inboxes, one of them Gmail. None of them have spam or solicitations anymore. All the mail I get come from subscriptions I know and approved before.
Not in EU.
Google does share information, when required by a law enforcement warrant. It does so in Europe, and... in Hong Kong.
To me part of the issue is the conflation between the US's lack of meaningful privacy legislation and a specific app, in this case TikTok, that's a risk due to the current geopolitical issues. There's lots of examples of effective privacy legislation out there (Europe's GDPR for example) that could be used as a starting point. The real issue is that the on sale of customer private information is a very lucrative business and US legislators consistently fail with the Ethics vs Money question.
BOTH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INFILTRATED BY FOREIGN AGENTS AND THERE IS NO TIK TOK INFILTRATION AS OF TODAY. REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN TIK TOK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SILENCE THE YOUNG VOTE WHICH IS WHAT WON THE 2022 MIDTERMS FOR THE DEMS
It's much easier to just bash China and blame all of America's decline on them.
Just thought if china wanted all that info. they could just go to a data broker and buy it. they could even buy if from a hacker collective.
Nail it!
@@benjamindemontgomery6317 Then they couldn't deny it...
Yes, indeed, Fareed ! Being America is number one in the world , we shouldn't be panicked... Freedom, and strength should be our power.
Thank you Fareed.
We need to educate our young to be more emotionally mature and give them some critical thinking skills.
I think that the world is like U.S that needs of much love .
Trump and his administration made great work to the citizen of yankee lands .
Problem is, education has been de-emphasized for decades.
It's too late...😪 children should've been emotionally mature and critical thinking skills a few generations ago...all this shit shows missing is a car full of clowns throwing popcorn...like watching a tradgity happing in slow motion right before your eyes. Where many can't even name the 2 countries that border our great country...how could they possibly understand invisible data privacy, or anything that happens outside of their tini-tiny world their 50 mile block, which usually consists of a gas station, a grocery store, and a school. We forget that there's a big giant world out there that isn't the US of fucking A. They think vegetables come from a grocery store...🤔🧐 they have no idea that if one cog breaks, it stops...🤯
What better way to collect information than to give in willingly......
Fareed thank you for your responsible reporting, your a true voice of reason.
This is the most clear and sensible commentary I have heard about this issue. Thank you Mr. Zakaria.
Them you missed Tucker Carlson's take on it a couple of weeks ago. This is almost a plagiarized version of it.
@@weirdshibainu LOL LOL LOL
Fareed is standing up in the last few years as a powerful voice of reason! 👏👏👏
Our morality is our weakpoint these days.
Fareed got the CNN corporate message to suck up to China.
@@CashCowz962 it’s gone downhill since the religious right across the globe have made political gains through demagoguery
@@CashCowz962 Morality is never a weak point. Morality, ethics, propriety are fundamental pillars of cultural stability. You need some introspection
@@niksm8080 so do you...your kindness is being used against ya...is all am saying ...take your meds..
This completely changed my mind about the TikTok issue!
It's an eye-ache of money.
Love this gentleman’s channel and his narration
And they ban George Orwell 😢
What a fantastic LAW !!! Just Do it !!! Immediately !!!
sending love to you and your son who gave you the idea!
For them to be more like us, we become more like them :-)
lol😅
Rhat's called a conversation
Thank you for expressing a well reasoned, fact-based, articulate argument against banning the TikTok app in the U.S. I was unaware of the alternatives, in terms of national security and privacy issues, and ignorant of the political impact it would have on the free flow of information. Now I have a better-informed opinion on this issue. Nice work!
Biden's national security strategy was presented by the CSIS, they're a lot smarter about what is important. The republicans in congress just want to generate anti-China video clips on them trashing a Singaporean, so they can use race based politics for their voter base.
There is far more to it than this mate. Fareed got the UNCLASSIFIED report, not the classified.
@@davidsargent9359 Friendly old Brit: Hollywood was the original TikTok with its skewed version of life in America and its origins and history. As an 85YO I was an impressionable kid in the '40s and took everything I saw on the screen as reflective of history until I got into books.
@@davidsargent9359 , didn't know there was even a classified report on this. Source? But even if there is a classified reason, then isn't it easily solvable by explicit laws and warrant requests into tiktok's operations rather than gaslighting the public?
@@jimmcloughlin , aw, come on, most people don't really believe Hollywood. Besides, TV channels lile fox with.their manufactured "news" had a more brainwashing effect to the general population. At a time moms wouldn't.let their kids sit watching TV all day. What happened?
You are 100% right. We always see politics above the economy so we are in this situation.
I have never used it and will NOT.
Ban all the those apps, the addiction is getting outright
Well stated, Fareed, thank you.
This is not how IT work. What the hell.
In my opinion, any new law on social media should mandate that the default position for all users (new and old) is to prevent any data mining or sharing. Furthermore, penalties for violating this rule should be egregious. If, for some reason, a user WANTED to have their personal data shared, then the user would need to actively seek out the correct screen and opt in to such a scheme.
That is an untenable solution. Why do you think these services are free? Targeted ads aren't bad and advertising is a great way to subsidize all the free services. Government should champion transparency and informed consent, not block targeting.
@@DigSamurai To these social media companies, the user (& their data) is their Product. That is why they are free to use.
@@DigSamurai Respectfully, I think you missed my point. I never said anything about the ads, or whether or not the applications/programs should remain free of charge. I only referred to the data sharing and data mining. Although I don't use these applications, if I did I would much rather pay $10.00 per month than have every one of my digital moves be noticed, shared, and monetized. Finally, you mentioned informed consent. I agree. So why do most/all of these programs have data mining and data sharing as the default position? And if someone is savvy enough to want to opt out, then the process is tortuous and convoluted BY DESIGN. The company actively restricts your attempts at informed consent. How do you propose to fix that?
@@andrewrohde2373 If you would rather pay $10 a month then you are an outlier because the vast majority of people would not. You ask questions to which the answer is painfully obvious. These are capitalist companies with shareholders they have to satisfy.
@@DigSamurai it isn’t unattainable. This is part of the GDPR in Europe and it is still working very well over here. The default setting for all, except for performance necessary, cookies and trackings must be to be deactivated. If you want to share additional data, you are free to do so, but you are not forced to. There are still plenty people who allow this to happen, but it is the choice which is important to give to the consumer.
Well said and totally in agreement!
Fared is one smart cookie! I really enjoy his commentary!
...as u said it, there's better ways rather than panicking about one Ticktock
He didn't go into enough detail about what the RESTRICT ACT would do to the Constitution, which is basically GUT IT!
This is truly excellent journalism.
The thing that sends chills down my spine is the fact people watch CNN.
Lmao 🤣 true . Delusional Dems need their daily kool aid though
Haha
Excellent points as always
Good one Fareed, spot on.
I lost my 25 year marriage, and a contributing element was my wife’s teenage like addiction to TikTok, she is in her 40s. My kids’ dream to go to medical school is now in jeopardy.
Couldnt have been that she liked what she liked is grown and someone was trying to control her
That is called life choices as an adult.
well that's disturbing and disgusting, unfortunate life circumstances.
people are truly too mentally fragile.
Tik Tok is a bad addiction, don't let these idiots tell you otherwise. Nothing but nonsense and misinformation is coming from Tik Tok. We are better off without it. China bans Tik Tok in their own country. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Addiction is addiction. I was addicted to games on my computer, backgammon spider solitaire etc & played them a straight 48 hours long ago. I removed them from my computer & subsequent devices entirely. I haven't touched any for over a decade, but I know my tendency, so I stay away from them anywhere I go.
Bravo. Thank you, Fareed.
Well done.
Well said!
Protect Privacy...that's a good start.
Thank you for this thoughtful perspective!
On point. I feel the same. Especially the last few minutes of the video. I have some kinda deja vu to watch not only America but also Canada turns into more and more like the Chinese government. It's scary. I feel so powerless that I can't do anything about it but watch it slowly fall.
Restriction to information has caused many empires to expire.
"It seems like we are becoming more like the Chinese everyday!" -- Exactly.
I disagree. TikTok is poison. The CCP is evil. Do not be taken in by the CCP. They’re making a mockery of our freedoms to further their own agenda. Do not be fooled. We made the same mistake with Putin. Xi is no different.
Ya Eric your Right, aren't you all glad you voted for this administration , nice work
Tbf patriot act preceeded chinese surveillance
US company also built Chinese firewall
Not mention Facebook and Google all were started with military money and have extensive cia and nsa presence in their companies
You should, unless you want to be beaten by them
I’ve finally gotten around to reading The Handmaid’s Tale. We’re getting there, quickly.
I like when he says, “imagine putting that much power in the governments hands”
But yet we want them in charge of our health care.
A goverment *offering* health care doesn't mean that you can't get health care from abroad or from private actors.
You can't really turn to private actors for the access of information if they've been banned...
And the US already uses over twice the money pr citizen on healthcare that other western countries does despite having worse outcomes.
The important principle is that *everyone* should have access to healthcare without going bankrupt or risk denial of service.
Markets and demand and supply doesn't really work if you are passed out and unable to negotiate prices, or have no choice but to purchase something because you'll die without it.
Demand is therefore infinite regardless of the amount of supply, so it pays to limit supply to where people are willing to pay more.
Have you noticed how ambulance are practically never "in network"?
It's because people don't really have a choice about network or services when they need it so those companies earn more by not having a deal with the insurance companies and simply demanding payment anyway.
Yet their employees often can't afford a insurance themselves, so during the pandemic lots of ambulance workers where bringing people in to get health care they themselves could not afford to receive and didn't have access to.
You don't need to have a government run health care system if you don't want to.
But having a government negotiating prices is essentially the same as every cizen of a country going together in a union or something to negotiate health care services together.
It gives citizens negotiation powers.
Don't pick individual medications or government owned health care, just set price caps for each category of medication and services.
That solves a lot of problems.
Another issue is all of the bureaucracy.
Americans use more money on hospitall bureaucracy then on actual diagnostics every year, despite US diagnostics being the most overpriced form of healthcare in the whole world...
If you simplified it to have a single payment system of some kind you'd avoid that problem.
Imagine every citizen being registered in a government system with a account for health care services pr citizen for instance, anything paid in there would be available to the hospital, and in case of emergency treatment or anything chronic it can automatically be overcharged covered by the government, then instead of each and every hospital having to deal with every single insurance company the government could simply send a demand to you that can be fulfilled by the insurance company or yourself or whatever system is picked.
Either way a ton of hospital bureaucracy would be saved reducing costs.
This kind of inefficiencies are rampant in the US health care system.
But quite frankly if you nationalized everything and just let the government own al the healthcare you would basically half the health care costs simply due to getting rid of so much bureaucracy...
You'd have the same health care cost as you're already paying through your taxes today (that only currently covers some American citizens but still charges every single US citizen as much in health care costs as we do in European countries where 100% of health care costs for every citizen is covered by the state).
Or you could continue with the whole privat insurance system thing but just regulate it and streamline the process of registering patients and dealing with coverage by the insurance companies etc...
Like seriously, it doesn't really matter that much I'd it's public or private, the outrageous part is that you guys in your country think that it's acceptable that people are either denied health care, is bankrupted by health care costs or is afraid of seeking health care because of the costs, as even *with* a insurance most people still ends up paying so much themselves that they end up indebted...
As a European I actually find it more upsetting how much suffering exists within your own country that's somehow accepted by your society and the fact that so many of you essentially ends up relying on donations from others including us Europeans on crowd founding sites...
Like seriously, how is it okay that 27% of GoFundMe is to cover health care of mainly Americans?!?
Europeans have already spent billions on paying for *US* healthcare that quite frankly those recieving that treatment already have paid for over the tax system in terms of the percentage of their taxes going to health care.
But because of how inefficient your system is your goverment can only afford to cover veterans etc...
It the system was made universal and nationalized you'd be able to cover everyone while barely changing the government health care cost to begin with...
And like I said, once you factor in the savings in private insurances you'd end up saving about half the money...
You could still have private hospitals and extra services for rich people to use in order to save goverment expenses if desired...
Like just, do *something*...
Because the current system is messed up...
The usual intelligent commentary on Fareed's part. Ignore it to your own (and everyone else's) peril.
I agree
true!!
You cnn fans sure do love your fear porn
@Kiss My Axe Not everything, but he's often wrong. And he's again wrong here.
This is an important point. We have to stop giving up freedoms for “safety”. Let’s seriously be free and live dangerously. 👍
Live dangerous, take chances has always been my M O.
yes.Fareed...I agree!..
Good opinion piece. Always helps to look at something from a different perspective.
Arulane: You can't possibly be Republican. They would NEVER such a thing. 🤣
If they are allowed to pass this BS law, it is truly the beginning of the end of any and all democratic debates in our country 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬
Our democracy ended when Trump was elected President. Stop thinking it hasn't.
Excellent position. I could not agree more.
You cannot compare banning a book to banning an electronic mobile device that follows your every move and then Taylor’s what you see and feel. Wake up America. Fast!
Always appreciate & trust your terrific commentary Fareed 👍🏾👍🏽
This is a thoughtful and well-reasoned piece by Mr. Zakaria. I counter that we should indeed ban Tik-Tok because teens are annoying af. I rest my case.
Pharma companies get audited by the FDA. Tech companies could be audited in the same manner.
Pharma companies don’t even get touched, what’re you talking about lol. That’s where politicians have their money invested in. That’s why big Pharma is immune to pretty much everything
50% of FDA funding comes from pharma. Audits are really who's in bed with who.
Thank you for the news. Awsome.
Absolutely correct. If we adopted privacy policies that exist in the EU, this wouldn't even be an issue. The problem is that Google, Facebook and others hate this, because they engage in the same practices that Tik Tok does in the Untied States It should be about protecting the privacy of individuals against the abuses of corporations as well as governments.
(I like your typo - "the UNTIED States." There's a Freudian ring that resonates to me.)
Exactly why Google and Facebook has been banned in China
Even if another country does it, and it works, the US just refuses because it's tEh sOsHerLiZzum'S
The best piece, Fared. Thank you 🙏 ❤
I don’t want anybody violating my right to privacy, if there even is such a thing anymore. And that includes this government and any other domestic or foreign entity. Now, how about that?
Very legit views and points raised in a professional way.
It’s not only Tik Tok what about Twitter, Facebook. They are all guilty you should fear them all, let’s be real here. They pose very concerning issues and fear.
The biggest problem I have with TikTok is that it's banned in its country of origin.
Also that a propaganda platform is a lot more effective if it's subtle and 99%+ of the time it's not propaganda'ing.
Fox News is not subtle at all and is scarily effective.
The CEO of Tic Tok does not even let his children have access to Tik Tok !! Imagine that 😂 !
This.
The version we are forced to use is banned. In China, there is a different version, that puts very strict time limits on when , and how long, minors can use it, and what content they can see. The version for adults is more for online sales.
Tiktok is not banned in China but has a Chinese version which is highly censored.
Well said. You are so correct.
If I say that you are bad, then you are bad.