Beating The Demon King In THE PROLOGUE?
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2024
- I used FE Builder and impreccable logic to edit Fire Emblem The Sacred Stones to try and beat the demon king in the opening prologue chapter of the game with a level 1 Eirika. Yes it's dumb, but so am I.
- Hry
What do you guys think of this type of video, and what other stupid stuff can I do with febuilder? 🙃
FE6 Hard Mode but every shop item costs 10 times as much
This, but for fe6 and Zephiel decided to invade Pherae himself.
good stuff, keep it coming
As someone who doesn't care about FE this was pretty fun
A 1v1 between the final bosses in GBA games to see who's the strongest
Eirika: *slays demonic harbinger of apocalypse that randomly appeared on her doorstep* “why couldn’t we just have talked it out? are words useless?”
I loved seeing the cutscene dialogue and how ridiculous it sounds after killing fomortiis 🤣
I love that Franz arrived to help and then just hid in the mountains the entire fight😂
Franzs theoretical biggest contribution would have been to act as a sacrificial pawn in enemy phase for Formotiis to kill so that Valter lived and coult strike more often.
Franz wasn't needed in the end but yes this would 100% be the most useful thing he could do
his 20+ attribute is surely scary
He kept Leon out of the fight. That's not nothing!
Came for beating the final boss at Level 1, stayed for the justifications for the characters sticking around ("the power of love lets him break free from the demon king's influence" lmao)
I mean, at that stage of the story it would still be reasonable for that to happen
Gotta keep the logic in here somewhere :P
My favorite part of this was Valter going "Oh that's probably pretty bad" and just choosing to fight the demon king
He's a nice guy really 😅 ...
And then he is the only one that dies lol
Eirika: "This is war, isn't it?"
Yes Eirika, all wars start with you needing to slay the supernatural entity that is the top general of the opposing army.
I love her dialogue after the map, it feels so silly after the demon king 😂
Valter turning blue cracked me lmao.
He's a good guy after all!
He's a good guy after all!
"He's only human after all. Don't put the blame on him."
Fomortiis: "What the fuck am I doing here."
His map animations didn't even move like they're supposed too, he was definitely just confused
Valter looks at the demon king like "This will be a good hunt"
Bad At Fire Emblem:*Proceeds to be good at Fire Emblem*
I try, but I don't always succeed
I think this can be done in two edits (sticking within the spirit of the challenge)
1. Add Valter
2. Give him Killer Lance
You’d Pierce crit once, rescue with Seth (so DK kills him instead of Valter,) then it again
Also, this video is funny because the challenge is like kind of fake but also i 100% see how you ended up spending like probably a whole afternoon doing this
Ahh that's smart, good thinking.
Haha yeah it took ages 🤣
I can't believe Donkey Kong out of all people will kill Seth
@@sans2051 I dunno man, Donkey Kong is pretty strong from throwing all those barrels 🤔
@@BadAtFireEmblemDonkey Kong is my favorite character from Fe8. Donkey Kong fir CYL 9
I thought my idea was pretty good, but yours is better.
1. Spawn demon king.
2. Load Franz.
3. Load Valter.
4. Give Valter Vdofnir.
5. Load Lyon.
6. Give Lyon Heal to heal Valter.
This strat requires 3 pierces with Valter.
This was another cool concept! I really liked how you brought in some of the creature campaign characters since not a lot of people talk about them.
It's definitely fun to actually use them, glad you enjoyed the vid :)
Valter just showing up on our side is hilarious. And weirdly, it actually makes the most amount of canonical sense of all of these edits. He's not in leagues with the inner circle of demonic powers, he's just a cursed maniac who wants to prolong the war to have more slaughter and bloodshed happen and in that specific situration, going against the dude about to end the war by just erasing humanity outright is the better option for that objective.
4:48 I am still fairly sure that's meant to be a symbolic thing because Knoll is the most likely wielder and he already failed to contain the demon king(also related to why the first Lyon encounter has the Fenrir tome). But that's besides the point of the video.
It feels wrong but also right 😂 He does what he wants, and what he wants is to proc Luna on the most ancient evil the world has ever seen
I didn't expect the villains to come and help 😂 Ok we need more of these you have some great ideas!
Thanks a lot Scott, as always appreciat the support 😊
This was fun. I have the idea "How early into the game could you defeat the final boss." In FE8 clearly you can't win with the resources in Prologue. But you probably could earlier than the final chapter. How much earlier could be fun to find out.
What a fun video! Taking a ridiculous premise and going "okay, but what if" is great. I think the attempt to justify edits in a story-sense really added to the charm here.
I'm glad you appreciated the effort, thanks 😊
man, this is why I love role-playing as a concept. what a fun video!
This is fantastic! The only other one I could think of is how far could you take Lyn's team from the FE7 prologue into Eliwood or Hector's campaign.
It wasn't needed in the end, but Lyon has an A rank in staves, which could let him undo all the damage Fado and/or Valter took with the single use of a Heal staff. He'll probably get doubled and die in the enemy phase, but thats why Franz exists.
Maybe edit in a physic 👉👈
I do think the end strategy was fun and creatively done either way, but my actually bad at fe brain would've definitely needed more edits and buffs to do this 😅
Playing off of this idea, what if you played the game normally, but on like turn 5 of every map, the Demon King spawns in? How much of the game would you need to play before you're strong enough to beat the Demon King?
This is such a cool idea! I freaking love this. No idea how hard it'd be or when I'd get around to trying it out, but I'll definitely test this at some point 💛
At a guess, if you get Lucky enough, Chapter 8 for the Elysian Whip for Vanessa to get Pierce (where you'd already have access to a Killer Lance for her) into a Pierce Crit feels like the technical earliest. If we're talking on average, you may need Vanessa to get a few post-promotion levelups, add a second Ch10 Eph-Route Elysian Whip for Cormag/Tana because Pierce is absolutely insane, or at absolute worst wait until your first S rank weapons kick in (Ch15).
awesome work on these videos, keep em coming
Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed
Keep doing these mate! Lot of fun watching you break this down
Thanks, watch this space I guess :P
"Man i knew Seth was strong but i didnt think he was that strong" *click*. Ah.
I mean this wouldn't work on the other GBA bosses, not without at least 3 times the edits.
... challenge accepted 😉
They don't chase you down and kill you though, so it might actually be easier.
@@KieraQ0323 I'd definitely change the AI to let them move, it's more fun that way 😂
Binding blade boss is so suck isnt? Base lvl 1 roy with binding blade can do much damage
@@mikeng1805 Yes, if you use the uncut boss stats. But for binding blade I was thinking of the cut boss stats...
Also since binding blade never came to the west I was thinking more on the Fire dragon.
Love this concept, you should do it again.
Great video! Im new to the channel but I like this because it sets itself different from all the other FE vids out there
Welcome aboard! Hope you enjoy your time with us 😊
Valter only helped out because he sensed the demon king as a rival for his hunt on Eirika
This was a great video! Keep uploading more like this and your other series! So happy the algorithm blessed me with this channel! ❤
I happy you found the channel too , thanks for the kind words 🙂
This was neat and I liked the parameters you worked within
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it 😊
Great video, but I'm thinking of a strategy that actually would use less changes. I didn't do the math in this one, so correct me if I doesn't add up.
The idea is to, instead of letting Valter or Fado die in enemy phase, you put Seth in range of the demon king and hope he Seth instead of Valter. Then, on the next turn, you attack with Fado and Valter again to pick up the K.O
This way, you don't need to give Eirika the Siegmund or Seth the Auhulma + the S rank swords, saving three changes from the original strategy
Yeah that could potentially work, it'd just have less reliability. You could technically beat it with like 3 changes if you could sink a few weeks into actually getting the 0.001% chance of success 😅
Three Houses but you face Nemesis in Chapter 1
I have no idea what game this is or how I even got here, but this was a very well made video. I hope you get a bigger community one day. Keep up the good work!
Appreciate the kind words :)
Very cool :3
That is a really cool concept 👍🏻😂
I would like to know what chapter you could theoretically defeat the Demon King successfully with the only edit being spawning him in the first place.
Athos with fe7 Luna and a couple elixirs? Or maybe just Myrrh, she's cracked? 😅
FEBuilder was a blessing to this world.
1000%
Febuilder is the sole reason I made a channel
truly loved it that you stayed within the realms of possible options, instead of just maxing all chars with lengendary weapons and maybe some extra artifacts to slaughter that monster.
Thanks, I thought it made it more fun, glad you liked it 😊
Seeing alt scenarios like this is fun, what ifs.
Dude, I had no idea that Demon King thing was real. I just started a Romhack of FE8 that adds in 57 nee features or "minihacks" from addilng Dread Lord, to giving Pre Promotes new paths. Like Garcias kid the axe user kid can hit level 10, promote and do it like three times making him Godlike lol.
It also adds in The Tactiican, which is like YOU as a player and his basic attack is the demon lord animation, its only playable on Hardest setting😊
I know the hack your talking about. its called the "microhack" right? I love it for the crazy amount of units. just wish it was more widespread as it can be hard to find and download with such a generic name.
@@MrMariosonicman Yeah the guy who makes them his channel videos are really old, media fire downloads expire and stuff but I remember it being alot of fun
Demon King? Sacred Stone?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist)
Bad at Fire Emblem: "Garm is arguably the best legendary weapon in the game"
Me: "I have been summoned"
Glad there is another Garm truther out here 😂
Great video!
I know how to get your attention in future then 😂 if we're talking pure damage then it's hard to compete with 20 might +5 speed, that's ridiculous
Cheers bro 😊
Sacred Stones was my first FE game and Garm really set the bar high when I had my cracked out Ross using it along with the twins to one turn the demon king. I was quite surprised when I played FE7 and literally no one with legendary weapons was doing more than like, 8 damage to the dragon except Hector.
Yeah there's definitely a difference in strength, I'm curious to see how hard the dragon would be
Cool concept of a video and very well executed. No way I just found a good fetuber
I'm glad you liked it, thanks a lot 😊
I just discovered this channel, and it's really good! Im currently playing FE7 blazing blade (my first ever fe i am playing), and i am on the eliwood chapter.
What do you think i should play next after finishing this one?
Glad you're enjoying the vids :)
That's really cool that you're just getting into the series, hopefully you'll fall inove with the games fe7 and fe8 the sacred stones are the best 2 to start with, then fe6 is playable through the same emulator as well. After that the other games in the series are on more clunky emulators or you have to buy the physical games on DS or switch etc
So bad that any other game had wyvern knight. That sprite looked so cool.
Lmao that was fun
What is the first chapter in sacred stones that’d you able to beat the demon king in? 🤔
Probably Chapter 8, since you can grind everyone to lv20 in the Arena, make Vanessa a Wyvern Knight and then also maybe have Tirado join in as either extra damage or a sacrifice
My Erika in hard mode is in level 12 and have 4 attack. Love this gal.
we are in the endgame, everyone join force =]]
Technically, with extreme RNG abuse, you could have leveled up Seth and Eirika to level 20 in the prologue and gotten +1 to all of their stats every level up (so pretty much reaching the stat caps for their class) without any edits necessary (you can move all of your weapons to 1 character to prevent counterattacks and let the brigands attack you and miss and gain 1 exp per combat potentially infinitely many times).
Seth can do 2 damage per attack with the silver lance with capped strength. With more RNG abuse to ensure that Fomortiis misses every single attack and Seth crits every single attack, this allows Seth to do 6*20 damage to the demon lord doing exactly enough damage to KO him when his silver lance breaks. So technically, you could beat the demon king in the prologue without actually buffing any of your characters at all.. it would just require a lot of RNG abuse and be really, really tedious to do.
EDIT: Double checking my math, it seems I used the incorrect Mt value for silver lance, which would bring it to 4 damage instead of 2. Additionally, you could get supports with eirika and seth to get him another +3 damage, which would make the "critting every attack" part of it unnecessary.
Crikey, that would been a painful experience 😅
GIGA BASED
What's the earliest you could kill the demon king?
by rescuing Valter with Seth (dealing damage on enemy phase) and getting a C support between Seth and Eirika you can kill the Demon King without Fado:
49+49+16+7=121
There's lots of different options, I just went with what I thought would be semi-reliable with better probabilities than most other options
Fado was running away from valter and then they found formotiis and went "oh thats not good"
He's between a rock and a hard place 😬
Could you put a playable Fomortiis in Ch. 20 Darkling Woods and see if he could survive his own horde of monsters? I think it'd be interesting to see how he would handle it.
I do have a plan to do something very similar to this at some point, it's a good idea 😊
Giving Fado 2 elixers would also do, the only scary part would be the shaky hitrate and that 10% crit for 4 turns.
It's just 4 coin flips and a 10% to get hit by a cruise missile.
Seth: Yo erika why'd you assemble all of us
Eirka: we have to work together to beat the demon king
Seth: ok irika but why are lyon and franz over the mountain?
Erieka: RNG manip
Seth: show feet pics
You can't question this stuff, there's always a reason
3:37 Valter Wtf?
4:32 Just like Heroes.
Eirika: Now what
Now onto chapter 1 ! Tans needs saving from .. a dude.
Assuming you can get counter attacks on the demon king, both valter and fado can get 2 attacks by: getting hit, surviving, countering and then attacking again, then dying to the counter.
So if you're lucky, you only need 4 edits; fado, valter, and the weapons.
Valter counters DK and pierces for 49, then attacks piercing again for 98, then fado can finished DK off (i assume pierce can trigger on a counter)
Demon king's main attack 1-2 range so unfortunately you don't get to attack on counter. But there's definitely strategies with fewer edits, they just have wayyy lower chances of working lol
ngl the title made me assume this was one of those weird AI or algorithm videos that say random anime BS for views...
... because the thumbnail hadn't loaded
Lol, if this was AI generated it would have taken way less effort 😅
Looks like that guy who attempted sacred stones but every enemy is fomortiis has a way to finally get the run past chapter 1
Oh no way, I had no idea that was a thing! That's so cool
I think you can beat by using Erika, Seth and Frado by fishing Great Shield
Can Seth not rescue Valter or Fado then stand in place and be the sacrifice, thus giving both Valter and Fado another chance to attack after enemy phase? Or will DK target the weakened character over Seth every time?
I didn't test it out, but you'd be trading Seth's attack for another attack so you haven't gained much by doing it I don't think
Now do it with the fire dragon 😈
At some point 👀
W
Demon King doesn't go for the Fire Emblem Lord in Chapter 1 because of his 1% chance of utter embarassment
If fado just procs great shield every combat technically he can just one man the demon king with garm over a couple of turns lol
Can't seth rescue-drop valter to allow him to get a second hit in? I think Seth's aid at base is higher than Valter's con..
You could, but you'd lose Seth's attack so you haven't gained anything. Unless you go for a second Luna proc on Valter but you're getting into lower combined probabilities. There's loads of ways to do this, I just went with what I thought would be semi-reliable and I could actually do 😅
@@BadAtFireEmblem actually, you know who could rescue-drop valter as well? Franz! That good-for-nothing slacker on the other side of the mountain range!!
@@just-mees yeah it'd be his one valuable contribution
Loremaster
Demon light crit.
So I see you can beat the Demon King in Eirika's first chapter. Impressive. But could you beat the Demon King in Ephraim's first map?
That was really nice to watch, but hear me out real quick.
You know how Hector gets done in by Zephiel in the early game of Fe6? Well I didn't like that.
First of all, Hector has the home advantage, so he's obviously on a throne. An Fe6 throne. Besides that, he's spent years after Fe7, meaning he promoted, and likely capped his level. Exact stats don't really matter here, so we can take average or capped. I'll leave the weapon choice for Hector up to you, too.
Now under these conditions, the question becomes: Does Zephiel really have it in him to defeat good old Hector?
We already have a gameplay-depiction of FE6 Hector in the trial maps.
(Also, going by the story, he wasn't on the throne, he was on the field getting absolutely oofed by Brunnya and Narcian while his army couldn't help him because it was busy getting turned to ash by some wardragons.)
does the game crash after you defeat it? or does it continue like you didn't do it?
I don't think I had it set up correctly for the game to know the map had been cleared so it just stated on the map. But you can manually clear the chapter with the debugger and then it just goes into chapter 1 like nothing happened
Couldn't you give valter a killer lance and get a pierce crit to cut out at the very least giving him S rank lances? and depending how much you want to pray to RNG I think that could theoretically be the only change but you probably want fado with garm too so you don't have to do it twice. That way the only edits would be valter, killer lance, fado, s rank, garm. If you either rigged the RNG or wanted to try forever you could take it to just killer lance and valter but that would take getting two pierce crits. It would take some effort to get the pierce crit, but it would take out the need for seth or erika to hit, so it might be a net reliabilty upgrade though I haven't run the numbers.
You could that yeah, there's lots of options for doing it with fewer edits but the probability of success is super low, I just went with what I felt was semi-doable whilst still being low-ish on the number of edits
@@BadAtFireEmblem Ah yeah I see that now that I actually ran the numbers I thought not needing to swing with Seth/Eirika would make them at least comparable, but my way was about 1/4 the chance of yours since you're relying on the relatively small crit chance since the demon lord has somewhat high luck. The only benefit I can think of my way really is the luck is mostly condensed in the valter attack so that means less chances to get unlucky, but for this type of situation that doesn't really matter since overall the initial pierce crit is really unlikely
@@ZareShine there's no right or wrong way of doing it, it's just what I ended up putting together
Can't you just lower the ranks of the legendary to increase bonus damage?
Seth can't even 1 round the Demon King 👿👑on the prologue, which means he's actually terrible like every other Jagen 🐎💩
Hot takes 🔥
Technically you could just use Seth with Audhulma and hope he dodges the 93%(True hit: 99.09%lol) every single time until the demon king dies.
Yeah no, I don't wanna put myself through that 🤣
A Pierce followed by Luna crit is 115 damage, so with the best RNG, you need
First get Valter over here
Second get Lyon over here
Third give Lyon Luna
Fourth give Valter Vidofnir
Fifth give Lyon an Energy Ring to boost his Magic by 2 and therefore crit damage by 6
Sixth spawn the Demon King for them to actually fight
Step 1: Valter goes in and hits the 78.55% chance to hit, then hits the 13% chance to proc Pierce, and does 49 damage.
Step 2: Run Seth in to body block the Demon King alongside Valter.
Step 3: Have Lyon use his Energy Ring to get to 24 Magic.
Step 4: End turn. Demon King will kill either Seth or Valter. Let's assume Valter because that's worst case scenario.
Step 5: Lyon goes in with his Luna and hits the 12.75% chance to hit and the 1% crit at the same time, dealing 72 damage. The Demon King dies.
This has a 1 in 7,680.7 chance of working, so it'll take a few resets! Depending on where you spawn the Demon King, you might be able to do the Lyon attack first and body block him with your two units, then have Valter attack on second turn so you can get the harder RNG roll out the way early, but that results in two character deaths instead of one. Then again, I doubt you're worrying about beating the future chapters when concocting this scenario!
I didn't think about Rescues or anything else because I don't know the unit's CON stats off the top of my head, but it might be possible to get it easier by forcing certain deaths doing that as well.
Yish, that'd be a long afternoon 😅 I was trying to find the most reliable strategy with the fewest edits but if you just want the fewest edits then this is very good
You completely skipped over the potential contributions O’Neill the boss could make by… uh, getting targeted by the Demon King so Fado and Valter don’t have to die. I guess. Maybe. Possibly.
Ah dang I forgot about O'Neil!
@@BadAtFireEmblem I suppose the two other enemy axefighters in the prologue technically count as units in the area as well, but at THAT point we're just being completely silly
O'Neill and his troups honorably sacrificing themselves by distracting Fomortiis is pretty legendary.
Reminds me of a PoC remake of the prologue I once made in private where I rewrote the guy to be very reasonable. In which he wanted to spare the player party(not knowing who the two are) by getting them to cooperate and the fight only happens because they (understandably, given the situration) refuse and attack to clear the path.
ok, but can you play as the Demon King?
That's an idea I do have written down for the guy future 👀
*Theoretically* Valter could solo the demon king, but it would require way too much RNG manipulation.
Valter deals 49 damage with pierce
The demon king kills Valter in two hits and doesn't have a 100% hit rate
If you were unbelievably lucky Valter would need to avoid at least two 93% hits (due to 2 rn these are 99.09 each and also the lowest I saw him have against Valter) while landing three 13% pierce hits at 69% hit rate (81.09 real hit, also the highest hit chance Valter had). You'd probably have to box Formortiis in with others so he didn't go after Valter from 2 range, but oh well.
I'm not gonna run the math on all that, but if I had to guess, it's not very high
Yeah that'd be an interesting week and a half 😅
I think the smallest edit that you could do to make this very much less unbareable than dodge exp ing Seth to 24 strength, is giving Seth the Slayer skill (Paladins are holy). With that, his Silver Lance triples in might against monsters, going from 14 to 42. With his 14 strength, that's 56 damage, Eirika A Support is 3 more damage, 59. 59-35 is 24. So that's only...(24, 48, 72, 96, 120) 5 hits. With the ~56 hit Seth has with the Silver Lance (about 62% true hit), and the fact that you'd optimally only take 16 Demon King attacks which, for the first four, would optimally be 66 (77 true hit), the rest being 86 (96 true hit)
So the calc would be 0.23^4 x .04^8 x 0.62^5.
Or 1.969^-15
0.000000000000001969%
A little more bareable than dodge exp grinding Seth 10 levels with all strength (0.23^1000 x .5^10, a number so small, that the google calculator gives me a 0) to deal enough damage to kill the Demon with all 20 uses of the Silver Lance.
This is literally chrono trigger meets fire emblem. Where after beating the game you get the option to go straight to the final boss in new game+ 😂
I've never played chrono trigger but that's really cool!