Explaining Why Vessels Wear Cloaks | Hollow Knight Lore
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- Have you ever wondered why the Knight wears a cloak? I have too, so I decided to try figuring it out!
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Hollow Knight Wiki | hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/...
Sumwan's Google Document, "The Vessels" | docs.google.com/document/d/1Y...
Music:
- Hollow Knight OST, created by Christopher Larkin, you can find his music on his bandcamp | christopherlarkin.bandcamp.com
- V3 Argument Blade Lock (CROSS SWORD) - Instrumental Mix Cover (Danganronpa) | created by Vetrom | • V3 Argument -Blade Loc...
Sound Effects:
- docs.google.com/document/d/1k...
Interviews and Articles Used (in order of appearance):
- issuu.com/newbayeurope/docs/m... (page 65)
- • Hollow Knight Interview (excerpt timestamped)
- www.gameinformer.com/2018/10/...
Script:
- docs.google.com/document/d/1p...
(Custom Closed Captioning is still in the process of being completed)
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro Segment
03:02 Dying in Hollow Knight
06:05 Fashion in Hallownest
06:34 Cloak-like Biological Offshoots
07:41 A Vessel’s Cloak
12:54 Vessel Creation
24:13 Inherited Traits
29:30 The Imprisoned Lady
42:30 Tying the Pieces Together
47:36 Outro Segment
49:24 Why Team Cherry hasn’t Released a New Blogpost
#HollowKnight #VesselCloaks #HornetIsntVoid - Hry
Getting some dms asking why I think Hornet is void. For clarification, at 25:10 I state "To confirm, I don't believe Hornet is made of void."
Mater-Peer..
Mother-Peer? Like peer to mother?
Father?
also could it be that the weavers (or the pale king) threw silk down, the void copied it and made it into a part of the vessels? Or that the Void makes more silk, given a template - or.. maybe the Void is able to make Hollow Vessels when given living substance - like an egg?
Quick question--doesn't the appearance of Hornet's face on the Sealed Siblings ending imply that she knows how to make the Seal of Binding? While she was trapped in the Black Egg with the Knight, the masks that had appeared on the original version of the Black Egg were of the Dreamers--who weren't in the Egg, and who we know were capable of forming the Seal of Binding.
Shouldn't that suggest, then, that Hornet does have that knowledge?
(I also had the idea that the Seal of Binding in Hornet's room was her practicing making one, but there's no substance behind that idea)
Well she could have been working out how to make one, and the knowledge may have allowed the seal to appear.. but it might be that the Pale King put void into the Black Egg - enough to give it the order to re-seal any who take in the Radiance like the "Pure" Vessel had done, as a precautionary measure.. or did so because the seals can wear down. Void-made "Spider" perhaps?
Fun fact i learned in deepnest when the knight dies twice it doesn’t generate a new shade the old one teleports to where you died and i guess looses its geo in the process this can be seen if you die with your shade onscreen
@@banann_ducc the shade disappears, not moves
I like to imagine the knight just sticks everything into their eye holes
Are you saying you don't have eye storage?
@@BlueMaskGuy oh it easy he just eat the isma tear using hes eyes hole
@@BlueMaskGuy why would he eat it?
@@pirilon78 it's a fruit
@@pirilon78 It doesn't work if you don't eat it.
I always thought the white lady’s genes that passed down through the vessels was the varying horn designs. The pale king’s ‘horns’ are very uniform, unlike a lot of the vessel horns.
Me: The white lady also bound herself in wrappings that look- *CC takes my point about the Pale Lady's bindings and the cloak of the vessel*
Me: Nevermind...
FunGi Channel
Oh, good point.
@@Mushroom38294 but...i'm pretty sure they used to be biological,as in,as they were in their egg,the void corrupted them,then turned into vessels
I don’t think that’s entirely the case, since Hornet has the same kind of horns that the vessels do.
@@Edgeperor not really,she got hers from her mother
Zote (the handsome, brave, powerful, impressive, intimidating, charming, intelligent, strategic, charismatic, strong, etc.) decided to wear a clock one day and since he is, well, Zote (the handsome, brave, powerful, impressive, intimidating, charming, intelligent, strategic, charismatic, strong, etc.) everyone tried to be as much like him as possible so it became the norm.
Wait zote is not the pale king
@@eaterofchildren_ ...is what he wants you to think.
I wear a clock
@@FunnyAndCleverHandle so you always know the time?
@@purevessle2641 read the comment
7:36 guys we can believe him he bows to Grimm instead of attacking
That is the way of the fight
32:15
I find it more useful to dreamnail twice then nailer once just after he bows
I just attack
@@amberdesantis2097screw you
“Explaining why vessels wear cloaks”
*shows Hornet in the thumbnail
*Oh no you didnt.*
She's pointing her needle at the Knight's cloak pls don't kill me ;-;
>:::))))
Username checks out
Well, she does wear a cloak regardless. But that's because of her caretakers the Weavers. They clearly just gave her tinier versions of their cloaks that oddly look like dresses.
No, shes clearly made of lifeblood
“Why do these characters wear clothes?”
**50 minute long video**
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my theory is that the knight actually IS seen wearing the mothwing cloak, it's just that the mothwing cloak looks identical to the original cloak and they just leave the initial cloak there.
It could be an incomplete mothwing cloak that fully manifests after you get the ability.
I always thought that the mothwing cloak is under the knight's normal cloak
So what happens when you get the shade cloak? Does the cloak turn into a shade itself? How does it come with you when you dash through things? How do you even use the shade dash in steel soul? I have so many questions now
Yeah, he took it off another vessel, presumably the same stuff
@@EaterOfGeese The shade dash, like all the spell upgrades, is just the knight integrating its own void nature into its abilities. It's not a different cloak. If I had to guess, I'd say what we see is what we get, the knight covers himself (including the cloak) in Void for the duration of the dash, but still uses the cloaks ability to dash.
As for "how do you even use shade dash in steel soul", there's really no reason why it shouldn't work the same. Just because you can't canonically die to see it doesn't mean that the knight isn't still made of void, and as such, a shade under his shell.
For the siblings, I figured their shades were older and were growing unstable or something, hence why yours it still unchanged when you find it
Same! It makes some amount of sense, but then again... it's speculation. It's deffo the idea I'd use for stories though, since it's easy to play with.
"Is Hornet's shade packed in her shell"
"Hornet"
"Shade"
*Screeches in mossbag*
AAAAAAA HORNET IS NOT VOID
REEEEEEE THOSE TWO WORDS DONT MIX
She is not and it only makes sense or at least there is more evidence that she isn't so were not gonna die
Calm down man, it was a joke
Why would someone slander mossbag's name like this (yes I know he is joking)
I mean, maybe the reason to why the Pure Vessel´s cloak looks so different is because it is ornamented, it _is_ the pale prince after all. And after ??? years inside the black egg, the cloak just returned to its normal-ish colors, without any proper royal treatments.
No bleach inside a closed egg I guess
no the pure vessel armor cloak gets ripped off with armor its obvious that its just for a show and not the og cloak and i believe that even thier organic cloaks can change in size and maybe rip a bit too since thk cloak is obviously longer on damaged hand than pure vessels one as if its using it as a spare hand to balance
Cloak is just dirty when born and in black egg.
(This is sarcasm.)
kindertuc Ugarte Well ruh roh
“Pale Prince” is usually used to describe a theoretical non-hollowed child of the Pale King and White Lady. The vessels are not actually Pale Beings due to most of their physical form having been destroyed and replaced by the Void. While it could be argued that replacing their original bodies with Void does not make them no longer Pale Beings, the living vessels do not give off any sort of light, which both the Pale King and White Lady do, and the Pale King himself mentions in the White Palace lore tablet that he has “no blazing kin,” which obviously means that Vessels lack what makes the Pale Beings so unique. I know this is a bit long to respond to something that was likely just a misconception, but I felt like the point needed some explanation. Also, Hornet isn’t a Pale Being because her mother is just a common bug, and that impurity makes her only 50% Pale Being, which apparently means that she has almost none of the traits of Pale Beings
Well if cloaks are a biologial thing, then I assume that THK's changed colour due to being infected, heck, maybe even sly's cloak thing changed from the time he was semi-infected
"Is Hornet's shade packed in hers as well?"
But she doesn't *have one...*
I just assumed that THK's cloak was discolored from age (and not being able to clean it, chained up as they were?) Their armor changes color, too.
I think the same thing, it just makes the most sense to me.
I mean you may not be wrong because the broken vessels cloak is also that color like THK
@@dRoopy.poproxs I mean the Broken Vessel is surrounded by infection as well.
@@Marshie_Gum Your just backing up my theroy
Yea
This is a meme come true. A 50 minute Hollow Knight video analyzing why your character wears a cloak.
God give us SilkSong
This went from, “Let’s talk about why they have clothes!” to “Let’s explain a long and convoluted reason as to how the White Lady trapped herself in the Queen’s Gardens.”
You know it's serious lore when they are deciphering Monomon.
Maybe the Hollow Knight's cloak is just dirtier than the Pure Vessel's
yeah i mean its been a while with the same clothes
Ok gamer Sans Undertale
@@Edgeperor heck yeah
I think so too. Because it makes more sense for the Pure Vessel to be in white than greeny.
I think the seal of binding would stop that.
It can stop any danger. Why wouldn't it stop a bunch of dirt or dust?
It’s possible a lot of cloaks are the remnants of wings, and over time simply evolved to be smaller and non-functional. Sort of like a coccyx
how could vessels evolve? they don't reproduce, right?
if they don't reproduce, they can only have random mutations directly stemming from the combinations of the pale king and the white lady.
the cloaks could still be wings which lost their functionality in the combination with the white lady (assuming the pale king has wings).
but i don't think that's the case.
Dem the loner they don’t reproduce no.
pk was shown with wings perhaps the cloaks are wings that never had a chance to grow seeing as they died before they were born
@@demtheloner1266 Vessels don't reproduce, but they could be wings that didn't grow if you take into consideration they are born and killed pretty quickly before they are filled with void, so they wouldn't develop those wings
I think he meant most non-vessel bug cloaks are a result of wings that evolved to be smaller.
" bro you brought a needle to a nail fight? Kinda crin- *FLICKIN' DIES* "
This is one of those videos I wish I could like multiple times. There’s just so much to enjoy and respect here, from the music kicking in at just the right moment, the funny animations, the great reasoning skills presenting all information clearly and precisely... Amazing video, all round!
This makes sense but I still like the idea that it’s not part of their body because I think tiny clothes are really cute
So true
I think of them as magic items. They help keep the void inside the vessel, but they're also clothing items.
I assumed it was their wings that they never used because we all know...bugs...can fly.
But i'm sure because the only way the vessels could fly is through the pale king since trees don't fly, but idk if (in the game) wyrms could fly.
@@hirahiro2331 the king has wings y’know. The monarch wings on the hallownest seal
Ccmaci: How is the pale lady related to the process of creating a vessel?
Me: She is the only person willing to give birth to thousands of children.
Willing? I think you mean capable. And even then, I don’t want to think about how that’s even possible.
@@joeyshadeslayer9792 capable and willing, she says she sealed herself because she couldn't hold back on wanting to
@@Edu_Gamer-cu8tx she has the horny
@@lordofshades9852 le oof
shes a bug and a god so yea nothing really weird
damn i came thinking it was going to be a funny meme video and left with an existential crisis
My theory: the cloaks/offshoots are for use in battle the evedince for this is that both the mothwing/shade cloak and the monarch bugs fuse into the cloak, so I think the cloaks are for use in battles
They're like a piccatinni rail on a gun, they can attach all their enhancements on it, charms, spells, that sort of thing
I actually assumed the cloaks are from the pale king's side, as these incomplete monarch wings.
--also so why does the player's cloak shred itself upon death? it looks almost intentional how it scatters before your shell explodes.
Anyone has any guesses?
might just be defective, or maybe the Knight's shade is strong enough to fully tear its way out.
Well the knight IS older than the other vessels and the Hollow Knight is even older and better nourished than any other. Remember that our knight came back from the outer lands in the intro meaning that it is stronger than the others. Maybe the shades in the abyss died youngbnd were not strong enough to rip through the cloak while our knight and the hollow knight in the "dream no more" ending were strong enough to rip through the shell and cloak
But...what about the rest?
SAME! because BV tends to hop WAY more than hornet and after defeating "him", you find wings that now connects with you.
Ah it seems someone beat me to it, I thought it was from the pale kings side to, though I still think it's from the pale kings side.
Oh my gosh. This is so well made, edited and thought out! This deserves more recognition my man.
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Glad I got the recommendation, this channel's a real gem.
That danganronpa reference too
@@Mushroom38294 the video explains the entire vessel creation process, so idk if you payed attention.
The vessels had to at one point be biologically born, otherwise the White Lady wouldn't be talking to the Knight about her desire to breed.
@@Ccmaci My only issue is that the "angry counter-argument" editing shit is really annoying, and feels like some Prager U BS lol
Just find someone who has said a thing you want to argue against, read it calmly and rebut it, please and thanks
Nice theory. This has been in my recommendations for like, a month until I finally clicked on it.
Title: “Why do hollow knight characters wear little cloaks?”
Video: _FOURTY NINE MINUTES LONG_
A quick fix for the queen using soul problem would be that the binding only lets soul leave, but not enter.
Not really that crazy of an idea, cell walls do that a lot of the time lol
I was thinking that, but idk the logistics around soul usage. Like if she's uses too much soul does she die? Or what about the inconsistency that she supposedly uses soul to form her half of the Kingsoul charm, but supposedly the seal would stop her for focusing/growing, even though through this theory she can still use soul.
I feel like this would be be the best answer, but too much missing information to solidify it as valid. The only way to prove this theory is if we can figure out:
- How much soul the White Lade currently has
- & how much soul (if any) is needed for her to grow in size.
@@Ccmaci
I mean. Does Our Knight die when they run out of SOUL? nah, just can’t use spells/focus. it’s not unreasonable to.. speculate.. that... ah. I see the problem now.
@@Ccmaci The Kingsoul charm reads: "Holy charm symbolising a union between higher beings. The bearer will slowly absorb the limitless SOUL contained within."
So, since the White Lady is a higher being, maybe she, too, has limitless amounts of SOUL? That would imply that... either her Focus ability isn't changing her size based on the amount of SOUL she has or uses, or that there's an additional seal on her to stop her from "growing" herself further than the growth we see just outside the egg.
There's way too little information on the White Lady or her kind to make any conclusions...
Maybe there'll be more in Silksong...?
Honestly I believe it could be the opposite, so she can't take in more soul thus she cannot grow but doesn't stop her from necessarily using soul. In this thought, the Kingsoul charm half is part of her as she used some of her own soul to grant to the knight. Just a thought
@@Ccmaci you overthink some shit pretty hard imma be honest
Hey Cc! I was wondering what your takes on the baldurs are? They're a weird enemy, only appearing near Greenpath and in the mounds, the baldur nest where you find the charm is also strange, it's a unique place never explained. Then there's the fact that all elder baldurs _never_ come back after they die, a property shared by only combat arena enemies and bosses. It's such a strange bit of the lore I find is so rarely acknowledged.
The baldur nest has the corpses or shells of many dead elder baldurs, so what killed them? It couldn't be the infection, as all the baldurs we see so far are unharmed by it, and there's no goop anywhere in the nest, unlike other infected characters. It'd be really interesting to see a video on the baldurs, if you have the time.
The baldurs are harmed by infection, they spit gobs of infection at u
he be wondering why vessels where cloaks, but no one be wondering why the broken vessel has a ghost instead of a shade
It's cus he already died once
@@chrismorris9188 but his ghost appears when you do a dream nail, and vessels dont have ghosts, they have shades
Wonder if Team Cherry enjoys driving all of us completely crazy over their game
I'm relatively new to the fandom, but it's been 2 month and I'm still in obsessive mode about it 0_0
(please help I'm really tired)
Валерия Романова I cqme last December and bOi am I still Into this game-
I was there, back in 2017, when the fandom was still rising, but then everything changed when everyone theorized and that team cherry openly, admittedly, actually, 100% said that they will not confirm or acknowledgement any theory and they are leaving it all up to us to come up with the story
I've been here since like May/June but I've already gotten two endings (in one go) and watched mossbag just about enough to make me go insane if anyone so much as says hornet and void in the same sentence
Welcome to Bug Hell, my dude
@@vickibarmore3156 just so you know there are 5 endings, but you’ve probably done 3 by now
The cloaks could also be offshoots and length could be hard to control because of the fact that all the vessels have a tree as a mom, and her branches are very large and curly, which could be why cloaks and horns are so curved, pointed, or long. Some vessels like Broken Vessel have long and curly horns, whereas vessels like the Knight/Player Character have shorter and more stiff/straight horns, similar to the Pale King. Both parents could play a part in the horns and cloaks due to their physical forms. (This is just my theory)
This is honestly one of the most impressive Hollow knight videos I've ever seen
well fucking done dude.
Ccmaci's comment section on this video so far is just the otter getting absolutely vibechecked because they implied a connection of void and hornet.
*This reason is valid.*
Other than that, the video made sense, at least for me.
But, what about the fact that when you get the monarch wings you can see the cloak turning into them? You can also see it happening when you use the wings.
Thank you for bringing that up, I've updated this video's pinned comment as a response to your question.
i think its just magic same as like how charms work when equipped for example you shoot freaking beams with grubberfly doubt thats part of the nail, some ppl really be forgetting that theres a lot of magical things going on and nothings really "realistic"
@@Ccmaci Well and now that you've edited said pinned comment since, we can't know your answer. Great :(
It's probably better to answer the comment and edit the pinned comment or add something in the description ^^ Great video nonetheless
I have a theory about why the failed vessels died while climbing out of the Abyss--it has to do with however it was the Pale King was testing them.
-The egg in the Abyss creates an effectively endless stream of vessels
-The vessels are created with one purpose--leave the Abyss
-The test is for them to accomplish a goal without developing any will, determination, emotion, or separate purpose of their own
-As these are basic aspects of intellect, you get thousands to millions of failures before getting one (actually two) extreme abnormalities
-Either the Pale King, as a higher being, is able to detect this and kill them when he notices from his position at the entrance, or he set up some spell to euthanize them if it happens
-When he leaves with the Hollow Knight-to-be, he turns off the egg and doesn't kill anything else (or stops powering the spell, because his test is over).
-The vessels that we know survived and got out somehow (and, considering that the Knight might have gotten some emotions of his own after being abandoned to fall back into the Abyss, possibly him too) are those that were created between the moment of the Knight's creation and the moment of the Void egg being turned off, but who hadn't been "alive" long enough for all of them to feel emotions and fail the test
I like this theory
I love how you used both Rusty humor and Mossbag all in one intro.
you know a game has an insane fanbase when there are 49 minute videos on something as trivial as why the characters wear clothes 😭💯
Man i hope mossbag gives you a shoutout or something, for me any of his videos are an instant must watch when they come out and im sad there arent more of them, then suddently i realise your channel exists and first i thought, ''great, more mossbag style vids but with less quality, (because i saw the sub count) well at least its something'' then after watching this video im so happy there are finally two great holllowknight youtubers both with awsome videos anything you post from now on is gonna be a must watch and i hope you gain alot of subs
He did on Twitter! :)
28:57 that isn't clothing. She tied herself up so she couldn't breed anymore. She even says it.
does... does she have clothing underneath
@@katori.mp4647 probably
keep watching
that might just be her clothing, She actually has a seal over her which probably keeps her in that spot
also the roots are keeping her in place, too.
@bonk bonk She is Probably plant/Fungus in nature, which means she may not need a mate to reproduce. or it could be a self punishment due to having over 20 thousand kids and letting them be used for experiments/die/be sacrificed.
Speculation: I think you actually touched on the mystery of how the hollow knight grew to his size. It's the part of the white lady, and her ability to grow and to acquire more power.
If the Wyrm's power was massive, but constant, even when he shrank to match the shells of the lesser beings, what if the white lady's ability is use her souls to grow, adding to its power. Could then it be possibly to use that power gained from his heritage for the hollow knight to grow in size.
on the same theory, the hollow knight's seal reacts to outside forces interacting with it, while the White Lady's seal reacts only to soul magic. Could this maybe be a key to her power? Maybe she draws IN souls similar to our main character draws in soul from striking enemies. and therefore the seal is to prevent herself from obtaining any further soul from her surroundings, thus binding her from growing and reaching further outside her "egg"
We aren't given a time scale fir any if this so we have no clue of the natural size of vessels, it may he that they stay little babies for a long while before rapidly growing, a sort of uber-puberty
Many bugs go through drastic metamorphosi that vastpy enlarge their physical size
@@clintelkins9630 The problem with that theory is that the Hollow knight and the main character are the same age. As seen in the one "Acend" event where we see the Hollow Knight get chosen and the main character falls back down into the abyss
"why do vessels wear cloaks?."
Why do we wear clothes?
Dude amazing video, I can't imagine how much time it took. (also wtf I had no idea the White Lady had a seal on her)
Thank you! :D
I was like WOOO --o-
Ccmaci be like: darling, you don't know what is possible
The white lady put a seal on herself to deminish her power, we dont know why but it could be her regret for making the vessals
So your theory is that hornet killed broken vessel...
THIS IS CANON AND NO ONE CAN SAY OTHERWISE.
*BONK*
Adino! Hegale!
@@-itsplasma-4135 & the fact Hornet knows where the Abyss is means she knows where the Ancient Basin is.
You know originally I made that meme b/c I thought it was funny, but now it seems more real every day.
I have a theory that the broken vessel was a vessel initially chosen to become the hollow knight but had the infection placed in it to early/ it wasn't pure, explaining why it's so tall because it was raised by the pale king for an amount of time and why it is so riddled with infection. not a perfect theory but I like it.
@@bleddynwolf8463 Me too :)
Ccmaci : The color of the Hollow Knight's cloak is similar to its younge---
*DANGAN RONPA ATTACK*
Did NOT expect this video to go so deep into the essence of the vessels and mechanics of some extremely important in-lore events. But I am SO glad it did.
10:30
I always assumed that it grew like fingernails or hair would in humans, it kept on growing after death
idk if I'd consider the cloaks like dead hair, they do react with soul magic & (especially) the Monarch Wings.
@@Ccmaci Hair and fingernails don't actually keep growing after death either. That's a common misconception. The reason they appear to is because of the moisture leaving our bodies causing us to shrivel up which reveals more of our nails and hair that was once covered. And this really isn't important either because if the cloaks did keep growing after death all the dead vessels in Abyss would have similarly long cloaks.
I can’t believe I went through 49 minutes of this without realizing
Realising what
That it was 49 minutes long
I think the lore tablet is not necessarily describing the vessel but may be describing the kingsmoulds who were probably definitely created using weaver assistance.
ive always thought that the void used to make the vessels was altered in some way to make it permanently bound to the shape of the shell, which is why the shades dont just turn into liquid when a vessel dies, or even when the shade itself dies, like how the collector turns to liquid on death
“Is hornets shade in there as well” HORNET IS NOT VOID
I find it hilarious how pissed off some people will get at the slightest mention of hornet and void in the same sentence
Let's say it all together!
Hornet. Is. Not. Void.
@@rokitu7110
It's very similar to saying Kirby is a kiddie game with no story.
@@Apotheosister *the screams of a very angry kirbo fandom can be heard in the background*
I mean, he did state he didn’t actually believe that hornet was void later in the video.
I used to always joke about the bugs not wearing any other clothes but cloaks. when I got out of the shower I just put a towel in walk around the bathroom saying it was “Hollownest fashon”
Me after realizing the White Lady has a seal binding: *suprise*
Also me: [internal screaming]
I love the fact an almost hour long video exists about a CLOAK in a game!
I like how it started explaining the cloak theory then it starts to spread out and that means more rare info more the community so i am going to succ as much out content as i can
This is incredible. The in depth attention to all side of the arguments, and counter argument, Along with the DETAILED editing, like man that's takes a while to make. This deserves so much more than what it has at the time of this comment, and I cant believe something this Well thought out flew under my radar for so long. Thank you, you have made something beautiful.
Okay but the part hornet bonked the broken vessel killed me XDD
this is really interesting to watch and i'm also cackling this man knows how to keep me entertained while telling me about a random thing
I always figured that the knight dying in-game just wasn't canon, thus why you wake up at a bench like it was a dream, and that the shade was the representation of that dream, as dreams are very powerful in this game, thus why steel soul has no shade, since it isn't a dream. Idk why you lose your cash tho
Maybe the prices of the cloak that flew off come back to care the mask, explaining why that isn't there when you return, being able to do so possibly using soul as you still have half of your soul gadge when you die through some form of focus as a final wish. The reason your at a bench could be because they are usually located in safe places which give enough time for the body to heal before going back for it's shade.
Burglary
Holy squit, dude! The amount of work that must go into these vids is ridiculous! How have you not gotten more attention?!
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I fricken' LOVE the cute character designs in this game.
You deserve sooooo many subs. Your editing is amazing. Your jokes are great. Your speaking is very clear and makes sense. Perfect video.
Thank you :D
One of the best lore videos I've ever seen. Very well thought out-and the Speculation tag (while a little too difficult to make out from the background sometimes) is genius of the highest being.
I do have a couple of counterpoints/points:
-Why does the White Lady's seal only activate with SOUL attacks? Well, what are higher beings? Look at the five we know of-the Pale King, Unn, Radiance, Root, and Grimm. Grimm's whole thing is being reborn to live forever. The Pale King reincarnated, presumably to live forever. Unn is old. Root is ancient and shows no signs of stopping. Radiance was physically destroyed, it seems, but her Essence lives on in memory as an Idea and a spirit.
The Pale King is sometimes contrasted with "mortal bugs." So might the defining feature of Higher Beings be some sort of relation to immortality-if not literal, then in a spiritual sense of rebirth? (This would explain why the Pale King actually died, despite having died previously-he did not dance and die to live once more.)
Either this or the Higher Beings have a connection to Dreams, which is equally possible.
I don't think the SOUL side of your theory is quite on the money, but I cannot think of a better answer to the seal's problem.
Keep it up!
- I tried to make the speculation sign look similar to in game signs, but I see what you're talking about, I'll make the text lore more clear.
- I'm not exactly sure if I'm on the money either considering the Kingsoul half contradiction, though I think I at least got REALLY close (also Grimm isn't a higher being, he's a vessel for the Nightmare Heart; the Nightmare Heart is a higher being).
Thank you again for enjoying the video & providing suggestions, I really appreciate it :D
Ccmaci I suppose you’re right. By my logic I suppose the Knight would be a Higher Being for uniting the Shade Lord (assuming that is indeed what the Void is).
Appreciate the clarification-looking forward to your journey ahead!
oh boy this is goign to be long ..... you are quite close higher beings do have their own dream realms for radiance and nightmare heart its said that it was once united this probably can go for other realms too but they feel apart for unknown reasons?
also im sure this said somewhere in game but higher beings are just called higher beings because they have immerse power abilities than normal bugs and pale king was only one to had rebirthing abilities because hes a wyrm and wyrms can shed their skin and thus he rebirthed to a mortal king to appeal for them more since mortals/moths couldnt see radiance they only saw her upper body as shining light or never saw her in general ( i know this is canon because not even godseeker can see her and puts her statue as just shining light and legs probably a bible referance as u phisycally cant see god), some are maybe immortal but i personally dont think so since radiance finnally got consumed by shadelord, pale king died for real since he died in his own realm and there are no signs of rebirth (i have a theory that he made a deal with void for a promise to destory radiance once and for all in exchange for his soul but thats not likely he most probably just got consumed), and grimm just dies with not completing the ritual and takes mightmare heart with him
I was watching this during a thunderstorm, and at 9:24, when it showed the PV roaring, there was thunder, and I am thankfully for the perfect timing.
12:03 actually, i reckon this is a version of the hollow knight before it was introduced to the radiance, but still post training.
You fight it in the white palace, the unused dream nail dialogue for it show that it is trying to convince itself to be pure for the sake of the kingdom (aw) and maybe Godseeker meant that its pure of the Radiance's infection, not pure as in fully empty. Also, to back up the unused dialogue and cuz its not exactly reliable to operate on unused content, this dream nail dialogue was spotted by playtesters, but later removed for whatever reason. Team cherry denies ever adding it.
most of the sources for this i just found on the Pure Vessel page on the wiki btw
Man, I just started looking your videos, but I want to say, that gosh, your editing is so smooth and minimalistic - that looks SICK
Your editing is incredible! Nice video as well!
Thanks for having more subs! Now whenever i tried to look for your channel the hero from a game i dont know raven bane wont show up
The real question is: Otters or Moths?
Otters don't eat your clothing and infect entire bug kingdoms with dreams, so I with we both know the answer here.
Markoth could beat an otter in a fight! :P
@@Tyxaar Maybe, maybe
I personally have two theories to your weakpoint (the white lady using Magic).
1. (the weaker in my opinion) the one way seal, which is like the name says stopping soul to enter her body but exiting is ok.
2. is the threshold seal, which basically says that the Magic she used to summon the charm was so minuscule that the seal didn't stop it
I personally like the second theorie more because it can also explain how void got into the white palace to kill the pale king
It doesn’t seem like the Pale King was killed by the void. It’s more like he left the realm and left behind a body for the void to invade.
"is hornet's shade packed in her shell as well?" mossbag is approaching at an increasing pace to your location
I understand how long it takes to make a video like this and i appreciate that you took the time to make this (i self liked to show im not a bot)
sir27 we know you're not a bot!
Bots would ignore this content in their primitive programming.
@@Tyxaar good point
@@RavenBane idk if the Creator knows that
Bots are too small brain for this.
Woah, this got a lot deeper than I expected XD I always assumed it was just the way they inherited their father's supposed wings, possibly also damaged by their adventures or their other siblings
This was really good! I haven't seen too many White Lady theories and my eyes have been opened 👀
1:15
mossbag: Wait wait wait... I need to hear that again.
Ccmaci: Is Hornets shade packed in her shell too?
mossbag: Di- did you just say Hornet is void?
Ccmaci: Yeah... why?
mossbag:*Pulls out a knife* I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN!
so much work went into this video and its awesome
I agree with the vast majority of this video, and I really like the conclusion, even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I guess it's just sorta sitting idly in my head now? But I'll always take it into consideration. Buut I still feel compelled to point out soome stuff, and I guess I'll do it here, for anyone else passing by in the future, and because it is covering this specific theory, after all. (I also uh, don't really have a Twitter account to begin with.)
I decided to go over stuff increasingly less important the further I go, so yeah, most important part is this: you're actually off on how many seals are activated by spells. The seals around the Dreamers are all activated by both physical hits and spells.The Hollow Knight's seal is only triggered by physical hits, though you can see snippets of it every few seconds even if you do nothing. One that's a bit odd is the faded seal over the egg containing the King's Brand, you can only see it once you get close enough, and it doesn't show up if you hit it with your nail or use spells on it. Now, the seals over the White Lady, the trilobite statue and the one in Grimm's tent are activated only by spells, as you said, but also the seal over the Black Egg's entrance and the one over the door to the Abyss. (Its existence also proves the Pale King can make those.)
Soo, no, I don't think them blocking spells means they're blocking in access to soul, though _maybe_ the White Lady can have it do that anyway? Anyhow, since the entrance of the Black Egg and the door to the Abyss are not meant to be opened, I assume their seals act as both physical and magic protection (I mean, if they didn't couldn't the Knight just break through them?), and for whatever reason they don't show up when the Knight swings its nail in their general direction. It could be as to hide the fact that there's a seal to the player, and that in-game the Knight isn't actually trying to hit the thing, but spells are always less precise, I guess? It would make some sense for the White Lady, since the Knight doesn't hit NPCs, even if it can trigger the seal sorta indirectly.
While I definitely do believe her wrappings are part of the whole binding process, and now that they grew naturally, through looks alone it's not impossible she had them from her silhouette in Godhome. I wasn't really able to tell where you think her eyes are, and I did think they were higher in the past, but this is roughly where I think makes most sense for them to be: prntscr.com/t1rqft Reason being that this greatly resembles her current look, just in silhouette form.
So uh, I'm so inept at making my comments brief I'll have to separate them into multiple ones. Whoops. I'll take my chance now to say I really enjoyed this video, though.
I definitely agree that focusing soul isn't just used for healing, after all, one of the lore tablets in King's Pass says the reader can do it, and I believe it was William, who told mossbag that Ellina _could_ read the tablet next to the Abyss, she just couldn't decipher what it _meant,_ this makes it likely that indeed anyone who entered Hallownest may have been able to do it, even if the tablets are admittedly hyping up everything about the kingdom and the king, so ya know, worship him.
It's possible this has to do with the Pale King's beacon granting higher thought to the bugs of Hallownest, so if you're an outsider who enters his beacon, you will gain the ability to focus, which is either possible due to being sentient, or perhaps the gained ability to focus is what grants you sentience, either way it works.
Additionally, to make you think of him as even greater, he hypes up your abilities, calling you a higher being, saying you possess great strength, and that by focusing soul you "shall achieve feats of which others can only dream", which is in line with the idea that focusing grants one higher though, although it should be necessary to have at least enough intelligence to actually read the tablet; anyhow, since it's him who granted you this amazing super special ability, he therefore seems even more god-like in comparison.
About the Soul Sanctum scholars, while them mentioning a pure focus does mean they know focusing is a thing they can/could do and implies a link to the mind, the _pure_ focus they mention is probably impossible, as it was the Radiance who manipulated the Soul Master and thus the other scholars into taking in the soul of others. This means it's not far fetched to believe it was her who implanted that idea into their heads, especially if they thought it'd give them an immunity to the "plague of mind", because like, if it was her who convinced them into doing it, and they think having a ton of soul would make them immune to the infection, and they were right, it wouldn't have been the best idea to make them use soul in the first place. If anyone is unfamiliar or disagrees with the idea that it was the Radiance's idea that more soul would prevent infection, I can explain why it's likely she did, but it'd take a little while longer is all, so just ask I guess.
Also when Pure Vessel focuses, it's unclear whether the death spheres it spawns stem from focusing itself or if it's actually using some spell as well as focusing, since it's probably not impossible to do that. Another thing is that although we don't know if PV actually heals or not, I'd say it probably does, since, like, why would the Knight be able to and not Pure Vessel? It's certainly useful to do so. As to why it doesn't heal in-game can really just be chalked up to the fact that there isn't a health bar, and also maybe so something like Old Nail only isn't invalidated or made into actual hell (considering they made bindings a thing, I think it's probable they knew people kept beating the game without upgrades).
I also just remember how it only does the attack after it loses enough HP, which of course isn't unique for bosses, but indeed it would be a bit wasteful if it focused soul at full HP. Just to clarify, I know you didn't say PV didn't heal, but since I'm covering focusing I still wanted to make it clear that I do think it can. While I'm on this topic, I'll also mention an idea I had that maybe the reason the Knight is able to heal by focusing is because it takes the soul of other beings, and by focusing that stolen soul, it becomes it own, thus healing it, since soul is the thing that animates the bodies of living beings.
Nailmaster Glory's descriptions says you focus your power to unleash Nail Arts, and the achievement for beating Pantheon 3 is called Focus as well. Keep in mind that the achievements for beating pantheons 1-4 are always in reference to the main god of the Pantheon (even for P5 as well, since you become the god of gods)... I don't know how to fit this into anything.
The Whispering Roots in the Ancestral Mound mentions something called spiral focus in relation to the Snail Shamans... I also don't know what that means.
My god, I just realized how long this turned out, it almost scares me.
Edit: Oh yeah, also, the Knight along with likely all the other Vessels, can focus in the infection, as well as the Dreamers('s essence?) to destroy them. That's kind of a big one.
About Pure Vessel's whole existence, I do think this is what Pure Vessel looked like in the past, mainly due to this line: "Though its worldly body be bound and defiled, the glory of its pure form endures, [...]" and its description in the Hunter's Journal: "Chosen vessel, raised and trained to prime form."
I believe the first confirms that's the Hollow Knight from before it got chained up in the Black Egg, because she says that while in the present it's imprisoned and "defiled" (corrupted by infection and is confirmed by the White Lady to have gotten weaker), its pure form _endures,_ meaning that despite its current state, this form _continues_ to exist, as if it did before. PV's description just lightly implies this is the actual form of the chosen Vessel, as it's being attributed to this version, and not THK, whose description only calls it a "fully grown" Vessel. Like, of course they are the same being, the Hollow Knight still was the chosen Vessel, but that distinction makes it seem like "raised and trained to prime form" applies more to Pure Vessel than the Hollow Knight, who is no longer in its prime.
Now, it's not impossible her focus made Pure Vessel more powerful (though I don't consider it so, I'll explain later on), but I still think that's still how it probably looked like, for a few reasons. Actually, I think I forgot one of them... Uh, anyway, one is that prior to Pantheon 5, no Ascended variants of bosses are present in the pantheons, just dream forms, which may be similar, but the former requires the Godseeker's focus for the bosses to "ascend", and, as far as we know, none of the bosses are strengthened in this manner prior to the 5th pantheon, only Pure Vessel, who would be the sole exception, and of course we can't use itself as evidence that it is. Instead, I think Pure Vessel is just THK's dream form, akin to White Defender's which is a memory, and that it's just the Hollow Knight back when it was "the Pure Vessel", even if it wasn't actually pure. For why she thinks it's pure, yeah, she's probably just wrong, because like, why'd her focus make it hollow? That's kinda weird, I just went with that being a sorta surface level understanding of PV.
Now this isn't all that related, but have you ever noticed how dream catcher particles are surprisingly uncommon in Godhome arenas? I believe the only ones that have them are the arenas for the Vengefly King, Failed Champion, Hornet Protector, Winged Nosk, White Defender, Sly and both versions of Grimm. Now, some are pretty strange choices (though I did come up with a few explanations as to why), but for Sly I do think the form we see is him back in his prime, when he wasn't as old, at least: "Holding it lets you run around quickly and tirelessly, as though you were young again! Or, erm, so I'm told."
So I don't think his wings are different because of the Godseeker, but instead just because that's how they used to look, red signifying he's the Great Nailsage in the fight and not just the shopkeeper we meet, possibly since red is the other main color of the Nailmasters. Oh yeah, maybe I should've mentioned it earlier, but from what I've read you don't have to fight any of the dream bosses for them to show up in the pantheons, and possibly the Hall of Gods as well though I haven't tested (exception being you can Dream Nail Grimm's statue just fine after banishing the troupe, even if you never encounter NKG).
Lastly, in the game's code, Pure Vessel is named "hk_prime". Of course this isn't an in-game source so it should be taken with some grains of salt, after all in the game's code, God Tamer and her beast are still called Lobster Lancer since those were their original names, buut I think it's worth bringing up nonetheless.
@@petruciosxd1374 Srry for the late reply, been a bit busy and just saw your comment today, I’ll try to answer all your points in order of each paragraph (and I’m glad you enjoyed the video :D) (typed this all in a google doc, so hopefully I separated every paragraph correctly when moving it here, srry if I didn't).
- You’re right about the Black Egg and King’s Brand doors having seals, but the dreamers’ seals do not activate from soul magic. Just tested all of them in game, dreamers’ only become visible from movement & physical attacks. As for why the Hollow Knight’s seal becomes visible every once in a while, it might be because it is attempting to escape, so every time it attempts movement the seal reacts.
- The reason why the seals on the Black Egg and Abyss door is b/c they both need a key of some kind to be opened (black egg needs dreamers killed, abyss needs king’s brand). Besides that, no idea.
- By her silhouette in Godhome, the neck before her hair of roots is a match to her real world counterpart. If you layer both sprites on each other, you’d have to assume that is where the bindings would form. Now it is possible in the silhouette her bindings are glowing with her body, though that’s some pretty unfounded speculation, considering we never see the bindings glow ingame.
- Yeye I agree here.
- I’ll be answering this point on the Pale King’s beacon in a future video (not like directly tho, don’t worry I won’t put your comment in a video xD).
- I agree with this too.
- I agree here.
- Even though we have to go off of in game code to determine if this focus attack is THK actually focusing, I’d say the fact THK enters a crouched stance similar to the Knight when it focuses, its most likely THK is just focusing to do this attack, not casting a spell at the same time (still up for debate tho). Though as for if that focus attack heals, I’d think it’d be pretty inconsiderate of Team Cherry to be like “yeah this focus attack heals THK” and at the same time not have his actual character heal. So again, most likely the focus attack does not heal THK.
- Same reasoning on THK not healing (again, still up for debate), but Soul essence is not special to every bug. Soul is most likely a single essence that can be taken by anyone (Hot springs; Sly commenting on soul totems you hit to get soul out of). Think it’d be a bit too complicated to say a bug’s soul is special to them, and no one else can use it unless converted to their body’s soul. When the Knight focuses soul, it's most likely concentrating the extra soul within its body towards wounds, which is how it heals masks/health (best proof of this is Hot Springs, where when the Knight stands in it, it heals its body automatically, b/c its standing in some form of liquid soul. Making contact with the body, it makes sense it would begin healing every wound the Knight has. This is seen in Quirrel in Deepnest, where he says something around the lines of “this water makes my aching legs feel so much better”).
- I don’t know how to fit that into anything either, unless you consider the statues you get for beating Pantheon bosses at regular, ascended, and radiant (pretty sure one of those talks about focus).
- Dunno what a spiraling focus is, but probably has to do with their mastery of magic. Probably the reason why the Soul Scholars captured one of Snail Shaman’s siblings, to study such.
Most likely the reason why the Knight can focus the infection is because it is similar to Soul. Dunno how or why the Knight gets soul from hitting infected husks, but if the knight can collect infected essence, it makes sense it can focus the infection.
- “Though its worldly body be bound and defiled” can be counted by how the infection cracked THK’s shell & shade (as seen by the infection coming out of THK’s shade forehead in the Dream no More ending). This sadly doesn’t give solid enough evidence to point towards THK’s cloak color change.
- As I stated in the video, THK was not pure, that is why it failed to contain the infection. So its possible PV is what a Pure version of THK could be, but we have no way to conclude this is what THK looked like in its assumed pure form.
- You’re right this is most likely just its dream form, and as I stated in the video, there is the possibility both the Godseeker & the Pale King mistook PV for being pure, and this is what it actually looked like in the real world. But again, no way to definitively prove this sadly. But if we do want to entertain the thought, it is possible PV has this color of cloak b/c the Pale King pumped him with a bunch of soul. But when it entered the black egg, the infection took away this pure soul from THK and replaced it with infected soul. But hey, that’s just a theory, a game th-
- You're probably right. This would support that PV is not a once existent version of THK, however this gets a big road block with Vengefly King & Winged Nosk. Winged Nosk represents its potential to become a doppelganger of Hornet, not that it had become Hornet in the past (though that is possible). And as for Vengefly King, well, pretty obvious why it having dream particles completely ruins this theory.
- I said that Sly’s wing coloration was b/c of him being in his best form, though I should have probably mentioned that best form was probably when he was younger. Probably the reason you can face NKG is b/c he’s a dream boss. As for the warrior dreams, I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to face at least some of them to enter certain Pantheons (I know for sure you have to face Markoth to enter Pantheon 4)
- Ye ur right on that being a consideration, but as you said, it is game code text, so can’t be definitive proof.
Well that was a fun typing session xD This was a good conversation, again, I’m happy you enjoyed the video :D
Wait, why is the otter wearing a hat-
*Danganronpa reference-*
Oh.
I’m subscribing
If you're looking at the white plate on his head, that's my custom Hollow Knight Mask. It like a Dreamer Mask; its supposed to represent a Giant Water Beetle (toe biter),
@@Ccmaci I was actually got a bite from it
actually, when you die before recovering your shade, you dont generate a new shade, the shade acutally just teleports to werever the knight died last
Keep in mind that the vessels contain both void and soul, so the cloaks could be containing or both. This would explain why in all the animation when the knight uses a spell and we can see the front of their body, the cloak is first shoved aside( I think, don't remember if that's true for all of them), it has to do that so that the spell doesn't just get trapped in the cloak and possibly damage themselves. Or I'm just overanalyzing a tiny detail in a game full of actual story I could look at instead.
This was an amazing video that you obviously spent a lot of time on, and it shows!
(Ps, thanks for the danganronpa reference)
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when the video started i said "Duh, moth's cloak"
Imagine being so good at Hollow knight that you can play the game on a Minecraft pressure plate
Personally, I have a theory regarding the mothwing cloak, crystal heart, and monarch wings, physics, and how that ties into the cloaks. I think the cloak is a set of wings. Hear me out with this. The knight has midair control, which nothing else has except winged enemies. Look at the watcher knights, the bouncy things in queens gardens, the god tamer beast, the collector. Once they leave the ground, their path is set, they cannot change it until they hit the ground again. Hornet’s midair mobility can be explained by use of silk, like how she suspends the spiky things in kingdoms edge. I think the mothwing cloak and monarch wings are learned abilities rather than collected items. If you notice, the cloak conveniently disappears when you use the wings. Also, it explains how the crystal heart can stop midair, even with no discernible counter force. I’m trying to keep it brief, so moral of the story, midair control on the knight’s level isn’t possible without some way of producing force in some way, and I think the cloak is the method of exerting that force
He puts the items in his eye holes
>:(
I like this theory
For 2.33 thousand subscribers, it cannot be overstated how amazingly produced and edited this video was. Seriously, this is amazing.
You kept me here for 49 minutes, well done sir, well done
When you showed the footage of the Knight dying in the latter half of the video, my mind was blown and I was like “Ooooooooooooh, I get it”
This is the quality of content I’d expect from a channel with like 30k subs + incredible work :)
Thank you :D
This video is way too amazing. Literally mossbag level of quality
I think the "hollow knight cloak looking different from pure vessel cloak" part is a perfect example of trying to find a super complex and in depth answer when its probably just as simple as the fact that the pure vessel was the hollow knight at the height of his power, and thus he kept up his image. The actual hollow knight has been sitting in an egg for who knows how long, and has probably been in combat before then given the fact that he appears to be missing an arm, so its highly probable that his cloak is just dirty and unmaintained like the rest of him
Almost 50 minutes to explain why a videogame character doenst go around full commando ☠
Yeah... about that
Excellent video, my friend! Looking forward to seeing more lore speculation and theories!
You're way too underrated man, glad I got this video in my reccomended today!
I’m glad you enjoyed the video :D
As someone who 112% completed Hollow Knight, this video was AMAZING! The amount of quality that was put into this 50 minute video blew my mind and I’m extremely happy that the algorithm recommended this to me. Great job my dude!
(Also how did I never notice the binding on the White Lady?!)
9:59 ... I'm just gonna leave this here for safekeeping
My dude this video is literal fire 🔥 and your content is freaking great
Thank you :D
I'm already in love with your content.
I appreciate it, glad you enjoy!
Holy heck that Cross Sword segment was amazing
It could be that because the knight is beaten to death in a way that causes the cloak to break where as the siblings died in a different way not involving another bug causing their cloaks to be intact