tbh nailmaster mato is nicer than Nailmaster Oro. As he doesnt charge geo for his nail art and greets the knight happily every time the knight visits Nailmaster Mato
@@kaysrandomchannel4618He’s becoming a cocoon. If Grubberfly’s elegy is anything to go off of, they are going to become Grubberflies and have wings so they can fly away from trouble and not be caged anymore by anybody (specifically the collector)
Plus, once Zote returns from the Colosseum, she instantly throws out all the paraphernalia she had of the Knight and builds a statue of Zote in her basement. Then when you beat Grey Prince Zote four times, she straight up leaves Hallownest.
@@diegohollerbach7356 I haven't checked in a few months, so I may be wrong, but I thought Elder Bug said she had set out in search of an adventure of her own, after being inspired by Zote's tales of his (greatly exaggerated) conquests.
iirc, when you bet zote's ass in dream realm she starts to progressively realize he ain't all that, so since she believed what Zote said about us, that we were beasts, and Zote was proven to be garbage, she snaps and thinks that her "beloved one" will never come to her, and that it is HER that needs to go for him, so she starts an adventure to find someone@@diegohollerbach7356
4:30 Grub father didn't eat their childs because he was hungry He was using his body for grubs metamorphosis into a other bug, maybe a moth. (The achiviement is called: Metamorphosis when you save all grubs
When I finally got the Monarch wings I said to myself "F it, I will not visit the upper entry to the mines" so I don't fight her and maybe at the end of the game she can be desinfected. That's my headcanon, and, well it is canon in my head and hearth
I remember going to check on her to make sure she was alright, seeing that she was still mining, looking perfectly fine. I was happy, and approached her, before… Myla… I’m so sorry…
@@MaskerHollowKnight videos take time and effort to make and the editing is decent! you even reply to comments, which is becoming less rare, but i can't say there's much to comment on. I hated Hornet and her being important bothered me so much that i eventually was forced by my own brain to consider Why she acted the way she did. yes, i know this isn't a morality ranking, but you can't take a game full to the brim with detail to consider and just Not consider it when putting something out a video meant to encompass something as nebulous as niceness. You could flip it on its head and maybe make jokes out of easy misconceptions but its like you didn't even play the game. And maybe you didn't! Did you have fun making this or did you make it because you felt obligated? I haven't even finished watching the video so maybe I'll eat my words, but this... this is a tragedy. this is Sad. go find something you love and do your absolute best on it- above and beyond, not just your first impressions but- you could even use the MLA format to help you along with breaking out of just one side of the dichotomy. Please don't skim the surface as if that's all that's there- it's incredibly boring. P.S. Hornet Dissection: She's probably tired of having false hope for a nigh endless flow of hopeless vessels, and maybe the vessels aren't just hopeless, but dangerous to her and the people she tries to protect, but honestly the title Princess Protector doesn't really fit the way I first expected. She has the haughtiness of a princess, she's born of royal blood, and she protects Hallownest by... purifying the infected masses. Because of that, she doesn't participate in her community like a political monarch would usually be expected to, so she's trapped beneath the surface until a vessel actually proves its strength- and she can't just let you at the dreamers or the black egg will leak more infection and you have a Time Limit to worry about and if she slacks on preventing Any of this everyone is Dead and she hasn't had a break in decades, if not centuries, except nope, time doesn't move in Hallownest anymore. She's drained and she has to be constantly vigilant and she's barely a princess anymore and mourning has become tiresome, Hopeless Vessels have become pests instead of siblings. There are too many vessels to mourn. Her mother, however, is the one person she will allow herself a moment of weakness for, and you end her. She has no reason to believe in you except that you keep going. She has no reason to believe that anything will get better and yet she works tirelessly. I'd be surprised if by the time Silksong rolls around she doesn't collapse in some way after so long of having to be strong around the clock.
She’s outright hostile at first, but after you challenge her for the king’s brand she’s an invaluable ally, and earns a lot of points for that. I’d say low A tier as well
cornifer and his wife are literally scamming you by telling that the map will automatically update while you travel but in reality you have to pay for every area + markers.(jk he and the stag are the two gigachads of the game)
Lore drop here! So basically the grubs become flying creatures but need a safe space. Dreamnail him! Also the pale king killed thousands of his kids. The abyss floor is made of their skulls. That’s where the siblings come from.
The Pale King: The Pale King arrived in Hallownest as a Wyrm (seen in Kingdom's Edge as the Outcast Shell). After dying he transforms into the form we find him in the White Palace. His story is that he wanted to make Hallownest his own Kingdom which lead to wars between the different tribes (mantis, bees, moths etc.) The leader of the moth tribe (the Radiance) HATED the Pale King and casted a very dangerous infection upon the Kingdom in order to stop him. To stop it, the Pale King had about 1 million children (the vessels, one of which are you) with the White Lady. He wanted to find the perfect one to contain the infection. He let all of the other ones die in the Abyss. He then trained the Pure Vessel (the chosen vessel for the infection containing process), to be as strong and mindless as possible. Then he sealed it with the infection in the temple of the black egg to suffer eternal torture. He deserves his own tier below F. The White Lady also doesn't deserve such a high tier considering that she knew all of her children were going to die. By the way: You cannot take the godhome fights of NPCs into account for their ranking as they don't know that they are there or at least, are very confused as to what is actually going on and they don't have much of a choice. They didn't choose to fight you there. You did. The only Bosses that know what is happening are (at least who I know of) Hornet (partially), Grimm, NKG, Pure Vessel (probably but that is best to not think about) and the Radiance.
About Grimm, there's not actually a whole lot in the game implying whether or not the Troupe is evil or not. The use of red and black, and the references to nightmares, all make them sound like the bad guys but it's sort of implied that they're something of a cleanup crew, coming to Hallownest because it's full of old dreams that had been left behind and cleaning them up as part of the ritual. Though, of course, that doesn't suddenly make it ok that the Nightmare's Heart brainwashes everyone who joins the Troupe...
The dreamers straight up try to end you by trapping you in the dream world, fortunately you get dream nail and escape, wouldn't say they're s tier as they actively try to destroy your soul
Grub father doesn't eat the grubs, the grubs went inside him so they can turn into the next stage, weather it be a butterfly or a beetle or whatever. Its a normal thing in nature
If anyone put Grub Father in F tier, maybe you never searched about it, in the charms and secret room you can find images of grubs with wings, suggesting they can fly after evolving, so maybe the grub father eats them becaus it’s their circle of life, so they can become flying grubs
I've seen this theory a lot and I feel like it's just wishful thinking, hk is all about misleading appearances, a bank teller who's really a thief, a father who misses his kids actually just manipulates us for a free meal ig, basically the only talking characters in deepnest bait you into a trap bench, etc. unfortunately i think losing the grubs we so devotedly rescued fits with the themes :(
My fav part of hallownest lore for some reason is when pale king tested if the white palace is possible then when he got on his throne just died of Exhaustion
So, about the Pale King: From the perspective of this list (how nice they are to the Knight), D tier is probably pretty reasonable, since the only direct interaction between him and the Knight was Pale King leaving the Knight behind in the Abyss as Pure Vessel followed him out of there. However, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he gets, overall. His plan to seal the Radiance required terrible sacrifice, but by that point, I don't think he had any good options available. As soon as the Radiance was forgotten and the Infection started, the King was faced with the impossible choice of watching his beloved Hallownest fall and all his people die (or worse) to the Infection, or following the only plan he could think of in a desperate bid to save them, even at the greatest cost imaginable. I think it is also important to remember that although the Pale King's plan demanded great sacrifice from others, he did not spare himself any pain. In fact, with the exception of Hollow, he may have suffered for it more and sacrificed more than any other bug. He worked with Void, almost certainly knowing the danger it posed to him. He probably risked his relationship with the White Lady in order to secure Herrah's service as a dreamer. He sacrificed millions of his own children (or former children, or potential children, depending on your interpretation) to the Void to create the vessels, and finally, after raising Pure Vessel from childhood and bonding with them, he had to seal them away in the Black Egg. He then got to live the rest of his life with the crushing regret of all that he had done, and the pain of all that he had lost, until (probably) the Void finally killed him. Bottom line: I don't think it's a coincidence that the inscription "A true servant gives all of the kingdom" is found on a fountain made in the likeness of the Pale King. In a situation where both options were terrible, he did what he thought was best. For him, there was no cost too great for Hallownest, and after exploring Hallownest and falling in love with it myself, after seeing so much beauty even in its fallen, broken state, I can't help but understand the sentiment.
I'm pretty sure that Eternal Emilita is a canibal that ate all her friends and possibly thinks about eating the knight too, but she doesn't. Gotta give her some cred there. Also the madness that is connected to her canibalizing her friends saved her from the infection, because she doesn't sleep. So canibalism is good if you're a bug, because it caused her to no attack the knight (or they just didn't look tasty). Nicest canibal I've ever met - at least B tier for me
I dont think we were ever in a real relationship with her, we only know that she has a crush on the Knight because of drema nail dialogue and everything in her house. Like she never outright says that she loves the Knight and as such I dont think its too fair to say that she "left" the knight, it's more similar to someone's crush changing from one person to another than outright leaving us for someone else.
grubfather eating the grubs is him sacrificing himself so the grubs can metamorphosise into grubberflies because when they come out of him he will die you can tell this through grubberflys elegy and the fact you can faintly hear grubs inside of him
I’m… 1:18 into the video and already disagreeing. Divine? A Tier? With how she treats you? She insults you multiple times, demands you give her your fragile charms, *eats them* and demands more geo than literally anything else in the game to get it back (but unbreakable). And your point on Godhome? You… can just use the fragile charms. It’s in the dream world they don’t break
The thumbnail is wrong, Mira bell is the best, she’s so kind she set up a fun scavenger hunt for you to follow, she doubled your money AND revealed that she used to be an actress as a piñata! Seriously though, what the hell does she eat?? How does her shell take not even a SCRATCH FROM A P U R E NAIL?!?!?
The Pale King is the one who gave all the bugs a mind to think, created vessels, but only problem was infection/radiance. He needed a perfect vessel to seal it and killed other vessels by throwing them in the void (knight included) so they dont become infected and cause a bigger problem. Then once he found the Hollow Knight/Pure Vessel, he sealed the radiance in it and called the 3 dreamers to help seal the black egg temple to save Hallownest temporarily.
dreamers should be f tier. they literally sealed you away in the dream dimension until the moth saved us by giving us the dream nail. you put dreamers and divine in a and s tier becuase of their uses, when the video is about how NICE they are
I have my own theory revolving around them. It's just Lurien that deserves to be in the F tier the other two should be in S tier especially Monomon. Lurien was the one who wanted you sealed away and gone. I honestly think when they sealed you away Monomon did it so that you can get the dream nail and kill them while Lurien again just wanted you gone. And Herrah is just there. She's S tier cuz she's Hornet's mom ig
@@mandu859 Herrah doesn't even care. She knows her situation is just like death and she knows that her offspring Hornet is alive so she doesn't care if she dies and the seals break or not.
Pale king threw hundreds of his children into the abyss but also founded Hallownest, gave all the bugs brain cells and the infanticide was to protect Hallownest so I would but somewhere in the middle
Hallownest fell because when the hollow knight was still the size of our knight it was showm affection by the pale king Thus it was sno longer truly hollow and tried to make it's father proud The pale king messed and didn't even realise
Yoy rated Divine in A because she makes unbreakable strength unbreakable with Godhome as the reasoning for it being that important but Fragile charms don't break in Godhome so unbreakable charms are only good in non dream locations in the map and so she is pretty much useless with her prices
@@MaskerHollowKnight Yeah but it was the radiance that controlling him so even if the Pale king didn’t want to kill all his kids he did it when he was unaware
@@karinlarsson3150 actually if you were to listen to the queen you’ll find out that he did it to save his kingdom from the radiance. Trying to make the hollow knight.
I might be mistaken, but fragile charms do't break on dream realms, and god home is god seeker's dream. so fragile charms don't break when u're in god home
Grubfather Is S-tier he uses himself as a coccon to evolve his children in grubflies Maybe he could die So he is scarificing himself for his children So definitely s-tier
I'm pretty sure the dream moth that gives you dreamnail is seer, but I might be wrong. also imo different dreamers are different, Monomon is works to help you while Herrah wants the Hollow Knight to stay sealed.
grimm is kinda evil since he wants to "extinguish the last embers of the dying kingdom" which doesnt really mean anything in game but it could mean hornet isnt able to bring back hallownest although its debatable whether she could since the beacon of the pale king is dimming out anyway
Masker: Tuk goes in C tier because the rancid eggs are overpriced and useless. *Shade left the chat* *Confesser Jiji left the chat* *Losing lots of hard-earned Geo left the chat*
Hey just found your channel I like your videos but you should make sure you stick to the criteria of the video. This one got a little convoluted as you ranked certain npcs based on usefulness and others based purely off niceness. Also if you are going to keep making hollow knight videos you should just watch a moss bag lore video so you are all caught up on the lore. (Would help for instances like describing the pale king in this video, also the dreamers are 3 separate people who all treat the knight differently so in terms of niceness they should be separated, this was also an instance you ranked purely off usefulness and not niceness leading to confusion within your list) great video I like your content a lot keep up the great work, these are just some tips from a big hollow knight fan Ps: fragile strength doesn’t break in godhome it’s a dream realm area
yeah thanks alot I really appreciate this advice, I've started to watch mossbag now so I'll be caught up on all the lore soon 👍 if your interested in joining our discord server: discord.com/invite/pMAS9tyXCz
Swap the Pale king with Hornet. The pale king is the reason the game is happening in terms of the lore. He has a kid with his wife which gives birth to a TON of the other hollow knights which mass genocide was commited to your in-game brothers and sisters until a 'PURE' vessel remained which the guy you play as was tossed out and it's a miracle or act of chance to know HOW YOU ESCAPE THE PIT!!!!!!!.... He also has an affair with the leader of Deepnest which gives birth to Hornet you've kind of placed in F TIER.. Which I want a re-evaluation on her; She act's the way she does to the knight because Hallownest was or is in such a state because of the Pale King and his kids which include her and the mass of VOID CHILDREN. She hates herself as much as she hates the knight and her mother, one of your S TIER Dreamers who sent you to the DREAM the first go when you attain the Dreamnail did so just to keep the radiance sealed. The bit is, the dreamers in S tier don't know the seal is failing and the radiance is escaping to cause the infection ALL OVER AGAIN because YES, IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE GAME STARTED AND THAT TOO WAS CAUSE BY THE PALE KING!!! He though himself a god thus had the bugs worthship his pale end. He converted the other bugs where Hallownest was being built and THEY were worshiping the Radiance. Because of the Pale King, He started the infection, tried to clean it up in the most hap-hazard way possible, had an affair to force 3 other bugs to dream eternally to put a band-aid over a hole in the bottom of a boat and that hole is a mile wide.... He's Below F tier, He's Z Tier.... AND HIS WHITE PALACE?! F*** Z-TIER, HE DESERVES A TIER WORSE THAN ALL LIVING THINGS!!!!.... And Hornet, seeing both her home and people being turned by the Radiance and the Pale King being both the cause of the infection, her creation and the failing seal; It's understandable why she's angry with the knight, and when you play as the knight trying to fix this mess, she fights you so you'll do better and pick the hardest path to rid Hallownest of the infection.
- sheo and mato both deserve at least A tier. oro is fine where he is though - hornet deserves a B. she did try to kill us twice but it was somewhat justified. she also saved our ass once and risks her life to help us get to radiance - grimm deserves S tier, or A tier to the very least. the guys not being mean to you, he respects you and your combat abilities - pale king threw you into the abyss as a toddler alongside thosands of your siblings, locked you in there and left you there to die. not the greatest dad. F tier - i dont care quirrel is at the top of S tier, he deserves to be higher
@@eunaosei4187 hes the only nailmaster that charges geo for teaching his nail art, plus hes generally much colder towards the player. he does care abt us deep down but hes still not the nicest of the three
Actually if she escapes with all the geo you can get back even more geo, which is very useful, it's like investing but investing in shit. (you can get like 25% more geo than you gave ger in the first place) She still is asshole though
I will agree with the buzzsaws but he threw the eggs of the vessels in the abyss for the sake of the kingdom. Still not the best king, but definitely not evil.
Sly was forced into that fight by the god seeker because sly said he had put his nail to rest also naming you the new nail master. Not saying his rank is wrong but just adding that fact. Another thing Cloth dosen’t need to die you can wait to save her until after the traitor lord is dead. I would recommend doing an updated ranking list later after you do some more research on character.
I think you forgot hornet saved us from dying in kings brand area and i thing you forgot when you put something in the back behind another that means its the worst of its tier and by the way what mr mushroom says in fungal waste he is talking to the knight in hungry knight
grub father does not kill the grubs! The grubs inside of grub father are a reference to the next stage of the grubs lives where the grubs burrow into the grub father to become "grubberflys". also the achievement is actually cann metamorphisis XD
I really like this. Although, I disagree with some NPCs you put. Imo Elderbug should be in A tier, mainly because he's a pretty memorable character. Plus, he's even nicer if he has the delicate flower. Why is Zote on F? He should be in Z tier. I kinda think Hornet should be in B tier, but yeah, she doesn't tell us silksong release date so F tier for her.
@@reinbew794in hungary zot wouldd be zs tier Yes, putting z and s next to eachother in hungarian is considered it's own letter... Like Ly cs sz zs dz dzs ty and ny
The seer and the moth who give you the dream nail are the same. She should be S tier because she literally saves you from being stuck in the dream realm forever.
@@MaskerHollowKnight also first off the godseeker and godhome fights arent really real they never really happened but this is what the pale king did im assuming you know this but imma just say it anyway so he and the white lady had like thousands of kids who are the vessels of which the player character is one of them the hollow knight is also a vessel they used void to try and make a hollow vessel to contain the radiance
BUT MY BOY DUNG DEFENDER ON S TIER NOW, HE SWIMS IN POOP, IS FRIENDLY, AND SOUNDS LIKE HE IS ALWAYS HAVING THE TIME OF HIS LIFE WHEN HE FIGHTS, WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT IN A CHARACTER
Why did you put grimmsteed in F tier? They literally don't do anything to the player And also Tuk is a girl, and grubfather did eat all grubs because it's part of the grubs evolution
tbh nailmaster mato is nicer than Nailmaster Oro. As he doesnt charge geo for his nail art and greets the knight happily every time the knight visits Nailmaster Mato
ahh, I didn't know this
@@MaskerHollowKnightPut him in S tier you bastard. He is one of the nicest NPC I have met and put elderbug higher.
@@averageterrarian ok mate, bit harsh, everyone can have an opinion, thanks anyway for letting me know they are nicer than I thought
@@MaskerHollowKnight Sorry for that swear mate.
@@averageterrarian dw it's fine
Put the Grub Father in S right now, he's literally sacrificing his own life so his children can move onto the next stage of their lives
Yup. It's probably the life cycle of grubs, but he was still willing to do it.
@@kaysrandomchannel4618He’s becoming a cocoon. If Grubberfly’s elegy is anything to go off of, they are going to become Grubberflies and have wings so they can fly away from trouble and not be caged anymore by anybody (specifically the collector)
I KNOW I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO CALL OUT THIS SLANDER
i agree
Nosk wants to nom on the grubberflies
Why is bretta so high? Are you forgetting how she betrayed the knight and left him for zote, and told the whole town that were a villain
Plus, once Zote returns from the Colosseum, she instantly throws out all the paraphernalia she had of the Knight and builds a statue of Zote in her basement. Then when you beat Grey Prince Zote four times, she straight up leaves Hallownest.
@@jruler93 yeah but she does that because she believes zotes lies, shes being manipulated so its zotes fault.
@@diegohollerbach7356 I haven't checked in a few months, so I may be wrong, but I thought Elder Bug said she had set out in search of an adventure of her own, after being inspired by Zote's tales of his (greatly exaggerated) conquests.
@@jruler93 i remember he saying the same thing, i think you're right
iirc, when you bet zote's ass in dream realm she starts to progressively realize he ain't all that, so since she believed what Zote said about us, that we were beasts, and Zote was proven to be garbage, she snaps and thinks that her "beloved one" will never come to her, and that it is HER that needs to go for him, so she starts an adventure to find someone@@diegohollerbach7356
chilling with Quirrel in the city of tears was such a vibe.
4:30 Grub father didn't eat their childs because he was hungry
He was using his body for grubs metamorphosis into a other bug, maybe a moth. (The achiviement is called: Metamorphosis when you save all grubs
They turn into grubberflies
Let's be honest, Grimm deserves a decent tier. He's got class, and a banger boss theme.
yeah, I did rank them on how nice they are, and I'm gonna do a boss ranking at some point
He does just dump his kid on you, though. And you know you're never going to see any child support once he skips town.
true, but that's nothing compared to pale king 💀@@Iacedrom54
@@Galagas1011you are his kid though
@@Iacedrom54he’s just playing a role. Beyond the things he’s required to do he’s very polite. I like grimm
Myla s tier, the nicest bug in the game, and the most innocent, and the one that made everyone cry when she got infected.
Yeah.
When I finally got the Monarch wings I said to myself "F it, I will not visit the upper entry to the mines" so I don't fight her and maybe at the end of the game she can be desinfected. That's my headcanon, and, well it is canon in my head and hearth
I remember going to check on her to make sure she was alright, seeing that she was still mining, looking perfectly fine. I was happy, and approached her, before…
Myla… I’m so sorry…
the best bug
@@eunaosei4187 ye
Hornet deserves a tier. She saved the knight while getting the king's brand and saved you when you kill herrah the beast.
true
she also restrains HK so you can fight the radiance
And in the second fight, she was just testing us. And second she has the best name for the knight. "Little Ghost"
@@MaskerHollowKnight videos take time and effort to make and the editing is decent! you even reply to comments, which is becoming less rare, but i can't say there's much to comment on. I hated Hornet and her being important bothered me so much that i eventually was forced by my own brain to consider Why she acted the way she did. yes, i know this isn't a morality ranking, but you can't take a game full to the brim with detail to consider and just Not consider it when putting something out a video meant to encompass something as nebulous as niceness. You could flip it on its head and maybe make jokes out of easy misconceptions but its like you didn't even play the game. And maybe you didn't! Did you have fun making this or did you make it because you felt obligated? I haven't even finished watching the video so maybe I'll eat my words, but this... this is a tragedy. this is Sad. go find something you love and do your absolute best on it- above and beyond, not just your first impressions but- you could even use the MLA format to help you along with breaking out of just one side of the dichotomy. Please don't skim the surface as if that's all that's there- it's incredibly boring.
P.S. Hornet Dissection: She's probably tired of having false hope for a nigh endless flow of hopeless vessels, and maybe the vessels aren't just hopeless, but dangerous to her and the people she tries to protect, but honestly the title Princess Protector doesn't really fit the way I first expected. She has the haughtiness of a princess, she's born of royal blood, and she protects Hallownest by... purifying the infected masses. Because of that, she doesn't participate in her community like a political monarch would usually be expected to, so she's trapped beneath the surface until a vessel actually proves its strength- and she can't just let you at the dreamers or the black egg will leak more infection and you have a Time Limit to worry about and if she slacks on preventing Any of this everyone is Dead and she hasn't had a break in decades, if not centuries, except nope, time doesn't move in Hallownest anymore. She's drained and she has to be constantly vigilant and she's barely a princess anymore and mourning has become tiresome, Hopeless Vessels have become pests instead of siblings. There are too many vessels to mourn. Her mother, however, is the one person she will allow herself a moment of weakness for, and you end her. She has no reason to believe in you except that you keep going. She has no reason to believe that anything will get better and yet she works tirelessly. I'd be surprised if by the time Silksong rolls around she doesn't collapse in some way after so long of having to be strong around the clock.
She’s outright hostile at first, but after you challenge her for the king’s brand she’s an invaluable ally, and earns a lot of points for that. I’d say low A tier as well
No-one can beat Cornifer, Quirrel, The Last Stag and Cloth
Elderbug: Am I a joke to you?
Me: Spare me, please :0
cornifer and his wife are literally scamming you by telling that the map will automatically update while you travel but in reality you have to pay for every area + markers.(jk he and the stag are the two gigachads of the game)
Lore drop here! So basically the grubs become flying creatures but need a safe space. Dreamnail him!
Also the pale king killed thousands of his kids. The abyss floor is made of their skulls. That’s where the siblings come from.
I knew about the grub one because lots of comments told me, but not the pale king one, so thanks!
The flying creatures are called grubberflies
The Pale King:
The Pale King arrived in Hallownest as a Wyrm (seen in Kingdom's Edge as the Outcast Shell). After dying he transforms into the form we find him in the White Palace. His story is that he wanted to make Hallownest his own Kingdom which lead to wars between the different tribes (mantis, bees, moths etc.) The leader of the moth tribe (the Radiance) HATED the Pale King and casted a very dangerous infection upon the Kingdom in order to stop him. To stop it, the Pale King had about 1 million children (the vessels, one of which are you) with the White Lady. He wanted to find the perfect one to contain the infection. He let all of the other ones die in the Abyss. He then trained the Pure Vessel (the chosen vessel for the infection containing process), to be as strong and mindless as possible. Then he sealed it with the infection in the temple of the black egg to suffer eternal torture. He deserves his own tier below F. The White Lady also doesn't deserve such a high tier considering that she knew all of her children were going to die.
By the way: You cannot take the godhome fights of NPCs into account for their ranking as they don't know that they are there or at least, are very confused as to what is actually going on and they don't have much of a choice. They didn't choose to fight you there. You did. The only Bosses that know what is happening are (at least who I know of) Hornet (partially), Grimm, NKG, Pure Vessel (probably but that is best to not think about) and the Radiance.
So true
K
I think 1 million isn't the right number...
Just look at the Abyss. That's more like a quintillion, or even more I think 😢
Yes, but he was doing so to save his kingdom. His children were born with the void bestowed within them, and couldn’t feel emotion or pain.
@@JMNplays584flawed vessels could actually, that's why we see hollow knight looking back to the knight in the birthplace cutscene
About Grimm, there's not actually a whole lot in the game implying whether or not the Troupe is evil or not. The use of red and black, and the references to nightmares, all make them sound like the bad guys but it's sort of implied that they're something of a cleanup crew, coming to Hallownest because it's full of old dreams that had been left behind and cleaning them up as part of the ritual. Though, of course, that doesn't suddenly make it ok that the Nightmare's Heart brainwashes everyone who joins the Troupe...
XD, same.
The dreamers straight up try to end you by trapping you in the dream world, fortunately you get dream nail and escape, wouldn't say they're s tier as they actively try to destroy your soul
yeah I didn't know
Grub father doesn't eat the grubs, the grubs went inside him so they can turn into the next stage, weather it be a butterfly or a beetle or whatever. Its a normal thing in nature
If anyone put Grub Father in F tier, maybe you never searched about it, in the charms and secret room you can find images of grubs with wings, suggesting they can fly after evolving, so maybe the grub father eats them becaus it’s their circle of life, so they can become flying grubs
I think your right, I may have not understood what was meant by him eating his children lol
grubberflies, thats why the achievement is called "Metamorphosis"
And if anybody is wondering why the grubfather isn't a grubberfly, it's because only female grubs turn into grubberflys.
I've seen this theory a lot and I feel like it's just wishful thinking, hk is all about misleading appearances, a bank teller who's really a thief, a father who misses his kids actually just manipulates us for a free meal ig, basically the only talking characters in deepnest bait you into a trap bench, etc. unfortunately i think losing the grubs we so devotedly rescued fits with the themes :(
@@MarsBars88all the grubs are female then? Wow
My fav part of hallownest lore for some reason is when pale king tested if the white palace is possible then when he got on his throne just died of Exhaustion
lol, I need to watch some mossbag to catch up with the lore
So, about the Pale King: From the perspective of this list (how nice they are to the Knight), D tier is probably pretty reasonable, since the only direct interaction between him and the Knight was Pale King leaving the Knight behind in the Abyss as Pure Vessel followed him out of there. However, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he gets, overall. His plan to seal the Radiance required terrible sacrifice, but by that point, I don't think he had any good options available. As soon as the Radiance was forgotten and the Infection started, the King was faced with the impossible choice of watching his beloved Hallownest fall and all his people die (or worse) to the Infection, or following the only plan he could think of in a desperate bid to save them, even at the greatest cost imaginable. I think it is also important to remember that although the Pale King's plan demanded great sacrifice from others, he did not spare himself any pain. In fact, with the exception of Hollow, he may have suffered for it more and sacrificed more than any other bug. He worked with Void, almost certainly knowing the danger it posed to him. He probably risked his relationship with the White Lady in order to secure Herrah's service as a dreamer. He sacrificed millions of his own children (or former children, or potential children, depending on your interpretation) to the Void to create the vessels, and finally, after raising Pure Vessel from childhood and bonding with them, he had to seal them away in the Black Egg. He then got to live the rest of his life with the crushing regret of all that he had done, and the pain of all that he had lost, until (probably) the Void finally killed him. Bottom line: I don't think it's a coincidence that the inscription "A true servant gives all of the kingdom" is found on a fountain made in the likeness of the Pale King. In a situation where both options were terrible, he did what he thought was best. For him, there was no cost too great for Hallownest, and after exploring Hallownest and falling in love with it myself, after seeing so much beauty even in its fallen, broken state, I can't help but understand the sentiment.
justice for pk
I'm pretty sure that Eternal Emilita is a canibal that ate all her friends and possibly thinks about eating the knight too, but she doesn't. Gotta give her some cred there. Also the madness that is connected to her canibalizing her friends saved her from the infection, because she doesn't sleep. So canibalism is good if you're a bug, because it caused her to no attack the knight (or they just didn't look tasty). Nicest canibal I've ever met - at least B tier for me
yeah I never tried dreamnailing her so I didn't know
Dreamnailing her just says she thinks the city guards will kill you, it’s just implied she was a cannibal@@MaskerHollowKnight
Huge disagree on Bretta.
That gal just left us like an old sock when she saw zote
NTR'd by Zote. Truly the worst ending.
I dont think we were ever in a real relationship with her, we only know that she has a crush on the Knight because of drema nail dialogue and everything in her house. Like she never outright says that she loves the Knight and as such I dont think its too fair to say that she "left" the knight, it's more similar to someone's crush changing from one person to another than outright leaving us for someone else.
The fact that you didn’t put Myla and Menderbug in S tier should be considered illegal.
I am so happy you included Mr. Mushroom.
divine has got to be s tier because she gave leg eater what he always wanted 😳
to die?
@@MaskerHollowKnight no to get eaten of course
grubfather eating the grubs is him sacrificing himself so the grubs can metamorphosise into grubberflies because when they come out of him he will die you can tell this through grubberflys elegy and the fact you can faintly hear grubs inside of him
ye ik I didn't realise
Bro didn't read Menderbug's diary and forgot that Bretta cheated on us
I know about bretta, but menderbugs diary?
@@MaskerHollowKnight yep, when you kill menderbug, a room opens besides the place where you save Sly
that into bro, 10/10
im only 10 seconds in and it slaps
thanks man, that was my goal
The music choice in this video was S tier. Some fire beatsies
I’m… 1:18 into the video and already disagreeing. Divine? A Tier? With how she treats you? She insults you multiple times, demands you give her your fragile charms, *eats them* and demands more geo than literally anything else in the game to get it back (but unbreakable). And your point on Godhome? You… can just use the fragile charms. It’s in the dream world they don’t break
oh thanks for info
The thumbnail is wrong, Mira bell is the best, she’s so kind she set up a fun scavenger hunt for you to follow, she doubled your money AND revealed that she used to be an actress as a piñata!
Seriously though, what the hell does she eat?? How does her shell take not even a SCRATCH FROM A P U R E NAIL?!?!?
Another incredible video!!
Common misconception fragile charms don’t break in godhome or dream realms.
Just don’t use it for radiance
I learned that the hard way
yeah ik this I've gotten like 50 comments telling me lol
unpopular opinion i think but mask maker is the best npc he makes masks for people who weren't born with one so noble
true
2:18
Cornifer❎
Cornelius ✅
Fireb0rn wakes up in a cold sweat at the thought of this guy
haha lol
1:14
She steals from you then charges you 36,000 geo to get them back.
Elderbug and Mr.Mushroom needs to be S tier
When you dream nail emilita she acrually roasts you for being poor or something
oh lol
My ass is NOT taking the NM oro slander
no way I just witnessed an experienced player buy Heavy Blow other than 100% purposes in the Sly section
Interesting video idea! and nice intro ;)
inspired by yours, thanks
The Pale King's a nice guy and all but he hasn't payed child support in some odd 1000000 years or so
lol
I loved how you used the 5b music from Celeste in this video - it is my favourite Celeste song!!!
The Pale King is the one who gave all the bugs a mind to think, created vessels, but only problem was infection/radiance. He needed a perfect vessel to seal it and killed other vessels by throwing them in the void (knight included) so they dont become infected and cause a bigger problem. Then once he found the Hollow Knight/Pure Vessel, he sealed the radiance in it and called the 3 dreamers to help seal the black egg temple to save Hallownest temporarily.
thanks alot
No way you just gave Bretta an A tear
You deserve more subs your vids. Are great
“Unnamed moth” is the seer
dreamers should be f tier. they literally sealed you away in the dream dimension until the moth saved us by giving us the dream nail. you put dreamers and divine in a and s tier becuase of their uses, when the video is about how NICE they are
yeah ik, that was my mistake
Monomon actually wanted us to break the seals. That is the reason she called Quirrel for assistance in our mission.
I have my own theory revolving around them. It's just Lurien that deserves to be in the F tier the other two should be in S tier especially Monomon. Lurien was the one who wanted you sealed away and gone. I honestly think when they sealed you away Monomon did it so that you can get the dream nail and kill them while Lurien again just wanted you gone. And Herrah is just there. She's S tier cuz she's Hornet's mom ig
@@mandu859 Herrah doesn't even care. She knows her situation is just like death and she knows that her offspring Hornet is alive so she doesn't care if she dies and the seals break or not.
I don’t know about Leg Eater being that high. He charges you to see his items before charging you again to take them.
yeah, I kinda went off the point of the video, as I put him that high because of strength
@@MaskerHollowKnightSalubra ate him 🤭
@@JoyousPeasits was divine
Pale king threw hundreds of his children into the abyss but also founded Hallownest, gave all the bugs brain cells and the infanticide was to protect Hallownest so I would but somewhere in the middle
Hallownest fell because when the hollow knight was still the size of our knight it was showm affection by the pale king
Thus it was sno longer truly hollow and tried to make it's father proud
The pale king messed and didn't even realise
Keep the good videos coming🔥🔥🔥
I will
Yoy rated Divine in A because she makes unbreakable strength unbreakable with Godhome as the reasoning for it being that important but Fragile charms don't break in Godhome so unbreakable charms are only good in non dream locations in the map and so she is pretty much useless with her prices
yeah I didn't know lol
@@MaskerHollowKnightyea she deserves C tier at best, overpriced and not too useful
The pale king dropped all his kid’s into the abyss after the radiance took over his mind. Other wise he created hollownest as you mentioned
pretty bad stuff then
@@MaskerHollowKnight Yeah but it was the radiance that controlling him so even if the Pale king didn’t want to kill all his kids he did it when he was unaware
@@karinlarsson3150 actually if you were to listen to the queen you’ll find out that he did it to save his kingdom from the radiance. Trying to make the hollow knight.
@@Ditto-Guy Oh, I missed something. Where can I find out about this piece of lore that I missed
@@karinlarsson3150 white lady dialogue
my alarm is the grimm song played in the beginning and my volume was way too high so this scared the living crap out of me
ha lol
bro confused unnamed moth with seer in her dream form XD
I might be mistaken, but fragile charms do't break on dream realms, and god home is god seeker's dream. so fragile charms don't break when u're in god home
Keep It up man! Ur Amazing
Dying in godhome doesnt break fragile charms btw
I wandered if it did or not? thanks for letting me know
U re welcome
6:35 Yeah in the section turning kingsoul into voidheart he chooses the hollow knight instead of the knight
As a masker fan, i can confirm i know how to glitch out of the ancestral mound
haha xd
Grubfather Is S-tier he uses himself as a coccon to evolve his children in grubflies
Maybe he could die So he is scarificing himself for his children
So definitely s-tier
oh ye, I should've done that
Also Berrata should be lower as she ditches us for zote
@@60yashrajgupta98 ik I only found that out after I finished editing lol
i respect this tier list rip quirrel
ikr may he rest in peace
I'm pretty sure the dream moth that gives you dreamnail is seer, but I might be wrong.
also imo different dreamers are different, Monomon is works to help you while Herrah wants the Hollow Knight to stay sealed.
grimm is kinda evil since he wants to "extinguish the last embers of the dying kingdom" which doesnt really mean anything in game but it could mean hornet isnt able to bring back hallownest although its debatable whether she could since the beacon of the pale king is dimming out anyway
Again another great video
Masker: Tuk goes in C tier because the rancid eggs are overpriced and useless.
*Shade left the chat*
*Confesser Jiji left the chat*
*Losing lots of hard-earned Geo left the chat*
I only used it once from the hive so 🤷
Hey just found your channel I like your videos but you should make sure you stick to the criteria of the video. This one got a little convoluted as you ranked certain npcs based on usefulness and others based purely off niceness. Also if you are going to keep making hollow knight videos you should just watch a moss bag lore video so you are all caught up on the lore. (Would help for instances like describing the pale king in this video, also the dreamers are 3 separate people who all treat the knight differently so in terms of niceness they should be separated, this was also an instance you ranked purely off usefulness and not niceness leading to confusion within your list) great video I like your content a lot keep up the great work, these are just some tips from a big hollow knight fan
Ps: fragile strength doesn’t break in godhome it’s a dream realm area
yeah thanks alot I really appreciate this advice, I've started to watch mossbag now so I'll be caught up on all the lore soon 👍
if your interested in joining our discord server: discord.com/invite/pMAS9tyXCz
Fragile charms don't break in dreams. Godhome is a dream.
Swap the Pale king with Hornet.
The pale king is the reason the game is happening in terms of the lore. He has a kid with his wife which gives birth to a TON of the other hollow knights which mass genocide was commited to your in-game brothers and sisters until a 'PURE' vessel remained which the guy you play as was tossed out and it's a miracle or act of chance to know HOW YOU ESCAPE THE PIT!!!!!!!.... He also has an affair with the leader of Deepnest which gives birth to Hornet you've kind of placed in F TIER.. Which I want a re-evaluation on her; She act's the way she does to the knight because Hallownest was or is in such a state because of the Pale King and his kids which include her and the mass of VOID CHILDREN. She hates herself as much as she hates the knight and her mother, one of your S TIER Dreamers who sent you to the DREAM the first go when you attain the Dreamnail did so just to keep the radiance sealed.
The bit is, the dreamers in S tier don't know the seal is failing and the radiance is escaping to cause the infection ALL OVER AGAIN because YES, IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE GAME STARTED AND THAT TOO WAS CAUSE BY THE PALE KING!!! He though himself a god thus had the bugs worthship his pale end. He converted the other bugs where Hallownest was being built and THEY were worshiping the Radiance. Because of the Pale King, He started the infection, tried to clean it up in the most hap-hazard way possible, had an affair to force 3 other bugs to dream eternally to put a band-aid over a hole in the bottom of a boat and that hole is a mile wide.... He's Below F tier, He's Z Tier.... AND HIS WHITE PALACE?! F*** Z-TIER, HE DESERVES A TIER WORSE THAN ALL LIVING THINGS!!!!....
And Hornet, seeing both her home and people being turned by the Radiance and the Pale King being both the cause of the infection, her creation and the failing seal; It's understandable why she's angry with the knight, and when you play as the knight trying to fix this mess, she fights you so you'll do better and pick the hardest path to rid Hallownest of the infection.
- sheo and mato both deserve at least A tier. oro is fine where he is though
- hornet deserves a B. she did try to kill us twice but it was somewhat justified. she also saved our ass once and risks her life to help us get to radiance
- grimm deserves S tier, or A tier to the very least. the guys not being mean to you, he respects you and your combat abilities
- pale king threw you into the abyss as a toddler alongside thosands of your siblings, locked you in there and left you there to die. not the greatest dad. F tier
- i dont care quirrel is at the top of S tier, he deserves to be higher
what's wrong with oro?( i barely remember his dialogue )
@@eunaosei4187 hes the only nailmaster that charges geo for teaching his nail art, plus hes generally much colder towards the player. he does care abt us deep down but hes still not the nicest of the three
@@paulamarina04 oh i didn't remember that he charged geo for his nail art, yeah makes sense to put him a lil down for that
The Zote disrespect is so uncalled for. You just simply can't understand what someone must see the world like when you're that mighty
ikr
@@MaskerHollowKnight Btw, just found your channel, watched the videos, and I'm loving the content
Oh comon, ogrim deserves be more higher in that tier list
Grubfather doesn’t eat his kids, he helps them become butterflies.
"What do you mean? Millibelle offers to keep all your Geo safe for you! How could you put her so low?... Hey, Where'd my geo go?"
haha
Actually if she escapes with all the geo you can get back even more geo, which is very useful, it's like investing but investing in shit.
(you can get like 25% more geo than you gave ger in the first place)
She still is asshole though
Pale king is evil asf
He's the one who threw all the vessels in the abyss and made buzzsaw land
I will agree with the buzzsaws but he threw the eggs of the vessels in the abyss for the sake of the kingdom. Still not the best king, but definitely not evil.
@reinbew794 that's true tbh and vessels don't feel anything so its not horrible
Salubra doesnt give us snail body , that was unn, and its called shape of unn. She gives us steady body instead.
yeah ik, I accidently said that in the video (I obviously meant steady body)
Also about the stag in the deepest station he wants to get us out of there since he feels the danger of the place
I forgot jinn exited
WOOOO!!
New vid let's go!!
Elderbug is s tier. He gives us advice. He doesn’t underestimate us, he know how many people died in the forgotten crossroads, so he warns us.
Sly was forced into that fight by the god seeker because sly said he had put his nail to rest also naming you the new nail master. Not saying his rank is wrong but just adding that fact. Another thing Cloth dosen’t need to die you can wait to save her until after the traitor lord is dead. I would recommend doing an updated ranking list later after you do some more research on character.
yes, I planned on doing another one in the future when ik more
Grubfather actually sacrifices himself, Sly doesn't truly fight you, it is a dream. And even when you beat him, he bows.
But the way grubfather laughs and says he's so happy is kinda weird
@@SomeBody-nq2yn I have a theory for that.
The grubs are alive and moving inside grubfather, so maybe they are tickling him?
@@reinbew794 that would just be too weird to be canon
@@SomeBody-nq2yn I feel like a canon where a bug breeds with a tree is weird enough for that.
@@reinbew794 true
This man's profile pic goes crazy I'm actually not joking or anything is that profile picture goes crazy
I just recoulored THK lol
You forgot the whispering guys in the hot springs and all the dream npcs
I think you forgot hornet saved us from dying in kings brand area and i thing you forgot when you put something in the back behind another that means its the worst of its tier and by the way what mr mushroom says in fungal waste he is talking to the knight in hungry knight
grub father does not kill the grubs! The grubs inside of grub father are a reference to the next stage of the grubs lives where the grubs burrow into the grub father to become "grubberflys". also the achievement is actually cann metamorphisis XD
I really like this. Although, I disagree with some NPCs you put. Imo Elderbug should be in A tier, mainly because he's a pretty memorable character. Plus, he's even nicer if he has the delicate flower. Why is Zote on F? He should be in Z tier. I kinda think Hornet should be in B tier, but yeah, she doesn't tell us silksong release date so F tier for her.
lol, thanks
Zote should be below the alphabet and in the nineth circle of the hell tier.
@@reinbew794in hungary zot wouldd be zs tier
Yes, putting z and s next to eachother in hungarian is considered it's own letter...
Like Ly cs sz zs dz dzs ty and ny
Made my day better
you're welcome
Nah bro you need to read the diary of mender bug 💀
the pale king literately threw his kids in the abyss
The hornet part was hilarious 😂
thanks
@@MaskerHollowKnight BTW, when
will you be making the pogo only
challenge?
Yknow the godhome boss fights are just strong people at their peak in a DREAM that fight us
The seer and the moth who give you the dream nail are the same.
She should be S tier because she literally saves you from being stuck in the dream realm forever.
I started a blind playthrough of hollow knight and the banking lady literally just stole 4k of my geo 😢
did you know you can get it back in pleasure house?
(the place near King's station)
you also get more back thsn you gave her
@@MaskerHollowKnight thanks
another pog video form the masker himself
yup
Lemme stop you right here
Dreameres literaly trapped you in dream world, from where you could not escape without ms moth help
The pale king did “the wrong things for the right reason”
idk
@@MaskerHollowKnight also first off the godseeker and godhome fights arent really real they never really happened but this is what the pale king did im assuming you know this but imma just say it anyway so he and the white lady had like thousands of kids who are the vessels of which the player character is one of them the hollow knight is also a vessel they used void to try and make a hollow vessel to contain the radiance
technically if the dreamers didnt exist we could go straight to the hollow knight
yeah
bro i have never heard of the last guy ngl i spent 150+ hours this year in the same save file but I have never came across him
BUT MY BOY DUNG DEFENDER ON S TIER NOW, HE SWIMS IN POOP, IS FRIENDLY, AND SOUNDS LIKE HE IS ALWAYS HAVING THE TIME OF HIS LIFE WHEN HE FIGHTS, WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT IN A CHARACTER
nooo tiso my boiiiii you deserve so much better
Why did you put grimmsteed in F tier? They literally don't do anything to the player
And also Tuk is a girl, and grubfather did eat all grubs because it's part of the grubs evolution
The dreamers attempted to banish you to a different dimension on first sight how on earth are they nice enough to be in S tier