2019 Chevrolet Camaro 1LT 1LE Review // $30,000 4-Cylinder Cornering Machine
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- This is the 2019 Chevrolet Camaro 1LT 1LE RS. Aesthetically a camaro, but a slightly controversial situation under the hood. 4 Cylinders, instead of the exalted 8. But this one has the 1LE track package, so it gets a bunch of goodies from the trims above. James and Thomas jump behind the wheel to see what its really like. Because at $36,000 CAD, it seems like a surprising amount of car. Watch and enjoy. SUBSCRIBE!
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OH MY GOD....Thank you for knowing the difference between turbo threshold and lag. It is so annoying when car reviewers don't know the difference.
Why dont you testdrive to decide the conclusion
@@jayczyzyk9707 what?
whats turbo threshold??
@@mxx996 Turbo threshold is at what minimum RPM you can expect the turbo to reasonably spool up. So take a Fiat Abarth for example, its turbo threshold is about 2.5K rpm, below which the turbo isn't doing much. However, at say 4K rpm, when going on and off the throttle, you'll see the turbo spools pretty much instantly with almost no lag as its not that large a turbo. The result is that it has a relatively high turbo threshold but low turbo lag.
@@mxx996 the RPM range of effective boost is the turbo threshold. Turbo lag is the latency between off to on throttle where the turbo has to get back up to speed to create the boost.
For threshold think big turbo supra, they dont make any power until like 4500 rpm where they suddenly gain boost pressure and make a lot of power. This is because the turbo used is calibrated to flow more air than a small turbo and needs higher exhaust flow to get to the boost providing speeds.
On the contrary the turbo lag doesnt always rely on the size of a turbo as it relates to system pressure. When off throttle the turbo isnt spinning from exhaust gases and needs to accelerate. During this time no boost is being made. When throttle is applied the pressure in the intake system is quickly used and not replaced with boost from the turbo. This gives the feeling of "lag" from when you press the pedal to when the car is making full power.
Lag can be limited with close turbo placement to the engine block, like the BMW M5 and M3 engines where they are in the "V" of the V8 and a part of the i6 exhaust manifold respectively. Or active systems like anti-lag.
Long explanation but hope I could help.
0:26-0:31 V8 sounds so intense they’ll drain your phone’s battery.
Its err... an interpretative metaphor for fuel economy. Very poetic, actually.
If it was a V12 that phone would need battery bank ;)
so that's why electric cars have no sound, it's to save battery life!
Elijah Vang well, you don’t get a V8 for its fuel economy...
@@szn00 but if it was w12 phone would die
I test drove one of these a month ago in the rain and I absolutely loved it! Ik I’d get hate for not choosing the V8 but I thoroughly enjoyed my drive and would very much consider getting one. Not many ppl will be able to realistically use the over 400HP in an SS on roads without getting in trouble so this is a great middle weight option for American muscle cars
Screw the hate, the car looks cool and they have decent mods for it. Fun daily driver, good on gas. I get tons of head turns with mine and the cold air intake and BOV sounds really nice on it. I couldn’t recommend the 4cyl camaro enough its really slept on
400-500 hp is easy useable daily driving accelerating from a light without braking traction, getting on to a highway quicker, changing lanes, those small pulls you do when no one’s around. That power range is probably the sweet spot honestly for a daily or weekend car. Now 600hp+ is where you start to get into trouble without trying. To be fair most people get the v8 for the sound and feeling it gives you.
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 100% agreed the only thing that makes me not want the ecotech is that amazing V8 rumble (especially if you cam it out and throw on a borla 🥵)
I love V8's and especially the SBC, but this is awesome. I will always own a V8, but if I ever get the chance to own one of these, I'm going for it.
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 you definitely don't have a 400-500hp lol. You think a 5.0 gt isn't or a ss isn't fast enough to get you in trouble? And it doesn't break traction when you floor it on the green light huh
That intro..... Y'all some fools!
Love it!
0:55 and that is the one good boy on the background.
milli pekmez ha! I totally missed that.
O nasıl bi dikkat lan
That dog was having a day back there! 🤣
@@egemenozturkulus1064 görüntü kalitesini yükselt kaçırmazsın
@@jax1079 if that's a track... then that doggo is having a "track day" lol😂
One of the most under-estimated Camaros ever built. A great review that really gets down to the nitty-gritty on this trim option!
*I don’t know if you realized this yet, but your Camaro is missing 4 cylinders.*
didnt know the economy cars had to be 8 cylinders lmao
@@elLinkeado if you want an economy car get a prius!
@@phylliswhitman6967 not as economical as an 80s civic.
@Soundwave why even do all those mods when you have a Camaro?
Might as well get a Subaru
@Soundwave reccomended video and saw this as top post.
I had to comment on the absurdity of your post
Loving these Camaro vids. I bought a 2.0t last September and absolutely LOVE it. I did a test drive in the 4 cyl, v6, and v8 and the 2.0t was a no brainer. Don't get me wrong - the SS was the most fun to drive. The v6 sucked - has less torque than the 2.0t and I felt like my v6 honda accord could run laps around it. I tested the 2.0t last.... I was sold as soon as I put the pedal down. Not only did I save over $10k compared to the price of the SS, I'm continuing to save on gas (34mph avg highway on cruise, 22 avg in city... and that's because I have a heavy foot) and reduced maintenance costs over time. The 2.0t is an excellent daily driver and a hell of a lot of fun when you can let her open up. 0-60 time blows my mind. Even when you reach 100mph she's still begging for more... couldn't be happier with my purchase.
My buddy had that motor in his Cobalt and with a tune it was very stout.
I want to buy one of these used when I graduate high school in 2026
I’ve got that v6 accord coupe now. The 9th Gen, great car, great interior and pretty comfortable. But something in the driving leaves me wanting more. Would you really say the 2.0t Camaro was a solid switch over?
what’s wrong with the v6
@@bremenclermont3713 The 4 banger Camaro is a legit sports car...in fact it's a full on sports car, front mounted mid engine, with 295 foot pounds of torque...the handling is elite...mine is FBO with a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel....ditch the Honda.
I really enjoyed the way you review cars with a little bit of humour and some down to earth talk about what you’re driving
Pretty sure the RS stands for Rally Sport, but I did enjoy the "Really Slow" meaning as well! haha
When I was a kid we would RS=Really Sucks. It was a 6cyl with like 140hp pathetic.
Pretty sure he said "relatively slow." At 275hp and 295 fp of torque, and a respectable 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds, kinda hard to call this thing slow.
rs always stood for really sucks really slow really shitty really stinky for a long many years
@@Game-The-System Oops, totally misheard the first time. It's all relative anyway. It's definitely quicker than a BRZ/GT86 though.
Or Racing Sport
The headlights look like Renault Megane rear lights
Yeah the lights are rather disappointing
i see it more like a dodge charger front end than a megane.
but they still look like a downgrade from last gen camaros i think
@@Han-lz9iu I think they should've maybe kept the ZL1 headlights
@@Ted_Kenzoku True they look like a sad dog. Check the 2019 Renault Megane/Megane RS rear lights, they have a similarity
😂😂 they really do
I love you for doing so much tests with the Camaro!
Please don't stop🔥
I ***LOVE*** your intros. I haven't even watched the rest of the video yet, but I had to say that. They are genius. I just don't even understand how you constantly have such clever, well executed new ideas. How do you not run out of ideas? How??? Incredible job. Okay, now to actually watch the rest of the video :D
considering I'm taking ownership of my 4-cyl, riverside blue RS Camaro tonight, this video makes me feel better about my choice
The 1LT 1LE doesn't have adjustable dampers. So changing the drive mode does nothing for the ride quality. It only changes the steering weight.
It also changes throttle response when in track mode and the active exhaust if equipped.
They really don't know why they're talking about. Breezing over the facts and focusing on their opinions. I had to unsubscribe
@@doublevanoz Seems a bit extreme for one slightly missed fact.
@@Dolby109 agreed, particularly when relatively cheap cars like the Veloster N and Civic come with adjustable dampers now. However, it is rather amusing that he perceived a difference in ride quality! Lol!
@@Dolby109 I'm not into Canadian dribble
About time someone reviewed this specific model of Camaro. Good job guys. And yes, please do a track battle with this, the BRZ track spec model and the Focus ST. That would be great and would get tone of views. No k e track battled the 1LT 1 LE 2.0 against anything. Cheers and hello from Seattle.
Don't forget the MX-5 Miata.
Acuravigor47 This will smash a BRZ like it was standing still.
@@josephandreuccetti8043
Most cars will smash a brz lol
My ST will and makes me smile more than a BRZ
I've driven a couple of em and idk, just not a fan
Car and Driver did a Lightning Lap comparison which included a similarly priced Camaro Turbo 1LE and a BRZ. The Camaro was 10 seconds quicker! 3:04 & 3:14 second lap times.
Going to be honest, a v4/v6 Camaro is the best bang for your buck if you want a fun sports car. They’re the most affordable Compared to everything else on the market.
I wish Europe had more cars like these.
Muscle-ish car pushing 200+ hp for a decent price? Sign me up.
Should not complain about a 4 cyl. There aren´t many RWD ballsy cars around at this pricepoint, we should praise these things.
American is the only place you can get muscle... and this Camaro is no muscle
@@CarGuy5141 you clearly didn't understand my point
They are evolving into sports cars.
@@dancarthen3634 That's better than becoming a SUV
You know the 4cyl would cost in over 40k. The V6 would cost over 50 thousand dollars if it was sold in Europe. SS 1le almost 100 thousand dollars but probably in the high 80s. And the ZL1 1LE would cost over 100 thousand dollars. If all of those vehicles are brand new.
I'd rather it be quiet then have some stupid artificial sound through the speakers
shots fired!!! #ford.
@FordRaptor
Than
Shots fired at volkswagen too
Amen.
Track battle !!!?!! Well done again gents. Keep up the great work/vids.
On the 2017 and later manual Camaros, you can do no lift or power shifting, the transmissions have an algorithm supporting that, doing that at WOT will keep the car in boost and greatly improve response and acceleration.
Track battle against the Veloster N!
Awesome intro as always! I really like these shorter videos too.
I watch a lot of your vids but never realized I wasn't subscribed 😱 omg lol
You guys are fun to watch btw
Car aside, I’d love to be able to drive on that nice, smooth road you guys test drove on!🙂 🚘
Great review. I love this car precisely because it will be HATED by Camero fans while being panned/overlooked by those in the hot hatch market. Prime example of an MBA exec making a business case for a car that ultimately nobody will want or buy. I love it! I would have never known about it if it wasn’t for you guys! Thank you! Very honest fair review. I’d consider buying it for the following reasons, ;
1) It’s cheap - only $30K
2) it’s a turbo - gives you that fun extra little pull.
3) It’s a standard/manual transmission.
4) I won’t kill myself by being tempted with 600+ HP of the V8.
5) Great fuel economy.
6) Most importantly however I expect there will be VERY low demand for this vehicle.
My problem as a hot hatch guy is the size. The Camaro is a bit of a boat in comparison.
If I was to design my dream Camaro I'd get this same car but with the v6 with a twin turbo (please Chevy). If I'm gonna buy a large car I want large car power but I also don't want 600 horsepower. I want something around like 350-400 horsepower at the very most.
Honestly though if anyone put out a twin turbo v6 manual with a sport suspension I'd buy it in a heartbeat. If Ford made a mustang with the SHO engine and the performance package id buy it in a heartbeat.
Here's to hoping whatever Nissan is working in the replace the decrepit 370z is a hit because other than looking and feeling like a car from a decade ago and being naturally aspirated it's exactly what I'm looking for.
@@pfitz9346 Get an ATS-V. It's basically a luxury Camaro with a TT V6.
The hilarious part is everyone said they should have just thrown the LT1 V8 into it.
@@Dolby109 thanks for the tip man I'll look into it
Edit: shit there's 1 only a couple miles from here with a manual transmission. I'm gonna look into it.
@@pfitz9346 Nice! They are harder to find with a manual. Snatch that thing up.
@@pfitz9346 keep me updated I love that car. And it has launch control
Best car car channel on CZcams. You guys need more subs!
Love your guys' intros. Jeep it up!
If it wasn’t called a Camaro, I think people would be much quicker to purchase it
@Capt MacArrow that's kinda backwards logic, but as long as you're happy.
Honestly if it were in anything else but a Camaro it would be considered a pretty fast car. Chevy should use that engine in something like a sedan or hatch.
They use the ltg 2.0 in alot of cars and suvs.
People complain constantly that cars are too expensive, That manuals are going away, that everyone only makes suvs now... then Chevy and ford give us great handling, stick shift enthusiast cars with iconic name plates and styling... and everyone makes fun of them for not having v8s. It’s sad really. I bet this car would smoke an early 2000s z28 with the “legendary” ls1 on a race track. It’s probably a simple tune away from beating it on the drag strip too.
I love v8s they are awesome, I’ve had many! But let’s not bash manufacturers or stigmatize vehicles when they actually give us performance cars... that’s how we end up with a Mitsubishi Eclipse suv.
these guys have reviwed like 30 camaros, i love it and so do they
This is actually a really good and honest review.
Everybody should consider this low-end Camaro with enthusiasm and respect.
I'm impressed of how GM is looking forward to our near future and tries to change it's image for the next/younger following generations.
Just keep in mind guys that this car company was founded in 1908.
brother, 2 years later how do you feel about them discontinuing it?
@@nickhonor9808
Sad 😢 for real as a Chevy car guy !
Perhaps, there’s gonna be a lot of good used ones available for a decent price in a couple of years in my opinion.
Peace bro!
I had a 4 cyl turbo maro. I currently have a v6 and v8 and man I still miss my 4 cyl 🥺
I’ll trade ya😂
I love the idea of a camaro that sheds some weight by virtue of the 4 banger. I can’t wait to get one!
I like the idea behind this car and the execution of it is quite good to be honest.
Did you know that some GM engineers won the CAM national title with the 4cyl Camaro? And the 4cyl Camaro also won a national title for GS?
jaynen is this real or what?
@@whatswiththissassylostchilld I think its a joke because in all their ads they say they won an award nobody new of
@@user-kg9cv4rr8j probably.
@@whatswiththissassylostchilld Yes it's real...Mark also won CAM in a stock Camaro I4 turbo...The Camaro I4 turbo is a serious sports car.
Please do a few track battle comparisons with this car against others in it's segment. Thanx.
Sir’s, I love your reviews and value your opinion. Would you be able to please review the V6 with 10speed automatic as well? I am really sold onto it based on how it drives and willing to buy one in a week. If not the review just a verdict would do! Thank you guys!
You guys should seriously consider the v6 1le for a review. I have been searching for a review of that car but I'm just finding reviews on the 4 cylinder 1le. The v6 sounds a lot better and has 335 bhp. I test drove that cat and it was crazy fun.
“More than a WiFi password” 💀💀
"Security guard pants" lol...
This is like the Kawhi of cars. Its a really fun guy.
lol 😂 man the long hair looks good on you. Dazed and Confused days!
I gotta admit, I drove a 4-cylinder 2018 camaro and I honestly love it! It the only thing I can afford. If people can’t afford v8 then you have option with v4 or v6. Also v4 are pretty quick. It not fast but it pretty quick.
Quick question how much is the insurance cost and maintenace costs
cant believe there's a v4 in this. Never seen that in a car before.
Would love to see this compared to some hot hatches or the brz like you mentioned. Also to the eco boost mustang. I see this car as almost a modern 240sx or s15 etc.
Exactly 💯
ugh gotta wait a few years for this beauty
Security Guard pants, lmao. Awesome!
There’s a real argument to be had for less powerful cars you can really run out on the street. I’d say sub 400hp, light weight, and it’s a perfect recipe for street driving.
Performance Driver's Society street driving yea for sure that why the miata is great
Jesus H Medrano exactly!
Performance Driver's Society depends on where you live and what you do. In my town there’s a lot of highway racing where it’s easy to use 800hp on the highway at 2am doing roll races starting at 80mph.
I completely agree with you, but most (generally speaking) internet people swear they are pushing the limits of every car on the street even those with 400-700bhp. That's simply not true 99.9% of the time, the road surface isn't good enough for that, traffic, police, ROOM to run, etc etc etc.
I think most people would have far more fun in a car with 180-300bhp and reasonable weight (2500-3200lbs) if they were completely honest with themselves.
Kamukix Agreed
Chevy should’ve taken this route but in a sedan instead of a camaro to have competition for the Wrx and Civic Si
... A Malibu SS perhaps. Too bad Chevrolet is trimming down their car platforms plus, Chevy really never had a wrx or Si competitor...the hhr/cobalt SS doesn't count.
They did it was called the 2008 - 2010 Cobalt SS. Included Ecotech Turbo 4 with man trans and 4 piston Brembo in front. Base HP/TQ was 260/260. You could get more via Chevy performance pack (actually added performance unlike Frod PP gimmicks) I believe this was good for 290+ HP/TQ. Came in coupe or sedan. It was the fastest Front Drive car (currently number 211 on C&D list) for several years until the Honda Civic Type R came along. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15152055/2008-chevrolet-cobalt-ss-first-drive-review/ and www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
Best intros in all of car CZcams
Great video once again
I actually think this is a superb looking machine
smh lol
I wouldn't want to see your girlfriend.
The mustang's exterior puts it to shame though
@@kanyewestbank9677 what year is that?
@@GHST-ok4xn the new mustangs look better imo. I know a lot of others would also agree.
That into made me LOL 😂
You guys are just amazing 🔥
Amazing what they can do with a 4 cylinder these days. I’m still not sold on that front bumper tho.
I was raised in a world where Camaros and Mustangs haf to have 8 cylinders.
But times change.
These days, I don't need a roaring beast that guzzled gas and shakes windows as I pass. I've got nothing to prove. A reliable, maneuverable car, with decent trunk space, and enough power to handle mountain roads and passing on the highway are what I need. Add to that decent fuel economy, and this looks like it could be a winner. Could be...
Couple issues I'm noticing are driver position and visibility. Those narrow window slits are questionable, and not having a place to rest your arm could be problematic.
I'd like to compare it to the Ecoboost Mustang.
I know, I know, but it's 2020, and the big three have scaled waaay back on car production. From Chevy, all they offer are the Volt, Malibu, and Camaro.
Ford has the Ecosport and the Mustang.
Getting a 4cyl in those models is getting to be your only options for an affordable, fuel efficient daily.
Bro everyone complaining and being negative, cars 10 years ago were nothing compared to what you get out of the box now.. I think Chevy did a solid job with this option.
link nelson 10years? You meant 30yr, in last ten years almost nothing changed, my freaking lexus from 2006 offers more then most modern cars :-) and my 11' camaro still looks better then new ones and drives almost the same... if anything cars got fatter and thats about that.
@@wykydytron no way man, the suspension and chassis from the new Camaros are definitely an upgrade from the previous model.. not comparing to Lexus mainly the American car options. But what I was pointing out for example the 1LE SS puts better lap times down the Z28.. Z28 also had more HP and it was lighter, but the alpha platform is a machine. Comparing apples to apples when it comes to options. Nothing against your 11 man, but this 1LT would probably do a little better on The track. Edit and if you bought your Lexus brand new it probably was the same price if not a little more than the Camaro when it comes to price relativity comparing what 30k is now compared to 2007
The Guys: This would actually be a good track car.
Wallet: Yes, yes it would
ZL1 1LE: I'm I a joke to you.
Your wallet has a mind of its own too?! Atleast i now know that im not crazy
@@CarGuy5141 Yeah whenever I buy things, my wallet is like "I have limits"
😂
0:41
I've just had one the best spontaneous burst of laugh of my entire life, and I've just turned 40 !
For real, that would be embarrassing 🤣
you guys makes the best intro
They're fantastic...
Do the 2019 1LT 1LE RS 3.6 v6. I just bought one and they’re very great. I love it.
No disrespect but is there a reason why you didn't get a 1SS V8 instead of the V6, I respect your choice I'm just curious
Vaddy ! Well I had a budget of around $30k. I know a couple people that are salesman but I wasn’t able to get the SS for around $30k I think the lowest was around $35kish or something like that. I also had a trade in which I had negative equity on it but 335 Horsepower is still a lot and it still looks like a mean ass car. If you want to see it, my IG car page is @blvckmobile
@@WhoAmI2CuffHer I would of definitely gotten the v6 1le if i couldn't afford the v8 1le, you made a great choice.
Vaddy _ because it’s his money and his choice don’t worry about it
@@VaddyFC maybe he wanted to save gas
I'm more of a Ford guy so you'd think it would make me all warm and fuzzy to see the Camaro's design department bomb so hard. It doesn't. I might have cried a little...
It looks great...its not a v6 or v8..but it delivers.
Mustangs are ugly, always have been.
@@studio-flash I'm sure it performs well; it's on an amazing platform, and has reduced frontend weight. I just cant get over the front fascia. If all iterations of the Camaro had the ZL1's looks I think they would be golden.
Funny start to the video!😂😂😂
I would like to see you do a head to head, with the Mustang ecoboost performance pack. I like this Camaro, and think it would be fun with all the bolt ons, tuned. Even put a bigger turbo, making 400+ whp. The 4 banger Camaro definitely doesn"t get even close to as much hate as the 4 banger Mustang LOL. I wonder why?
OK, for those of us that bought and enjoy our Ecoboost's or 1LT's. How about a performance review of the two together. Or even add the BRZ if you choose not to have a North American car in last place. Keep up the good work. Cheers
If you want to count the BRZ, also count the WRX (yes, I know. It's a sedan) for good measure.
The front is definitely a step back. Not a fan. Not a fan of the 4cyl either. I'd look at the V8 against the V8's competitors. But if I was looking at the 4cyl then I'd just get a hot hatch. I genuinely don't like a 4cyl Camaro...
test drive before you comment
@@QuSilver No.
You guys have the best automotive content on CZcams
Doug Demuro?
@@Luca-ye9yv he's in my top 3 for sure that man is so knowledgeable about all cars
The dog at the start was having a field day 😂
4 cyl + new design total lol
I am looking forward to a track battle! No one had really pushed this version of this car on track yet. Track battle this vs, BRZ, vs, Type r? Oh also Mustang has the PP1 option for its ecoboost!
I was thinking same thing as you. BRZ,TypeR??? Ecoboost Mustang PP1...Hello guyz LOL, frig you can use my car to for it, i'm just down the road from y'all
Type R is not price competitive, and at that higher price you could go V6 or V8 on the Camaro. BRZ would be left in the dust, not really performance competitive. Ecoboost Mustang and Veloster N would be good options.
@@BoopSnoot I more mean the Type R in the way that its the relatively top dog right now. it punches above its weight, and to add it would be to see how it compares to it on track! Yes i could have got a turbo 1le and not the type r and i would have saved about 8 grand, but also the type R resale is amazing! Whatever they do test it will be awesome and i cant wait!
@@MLeeder53 That's actually a misconception, at least in Texas. The Type R's are selling with no manufacturer rebates at full MSRP around here. This is verifiable by doing a TMV search where they put together all the recorded sales for an average, and you see they go for $36,620. No discounts on new means higher resale values on old, but you didn't SAVE any money because you paid full MSRP. GM is the exact opposite, by setting MSRPs that are far above their true sale price in order to make consumers feel like they got a "good deal". A Camaro I4 with the track package by contrast has an average TMV of $26,118 after $1500 in incentives and a selling price not only well below MSRP but well below invoice. This means that used vehicles will sell for cheaper than new ones (duh) but appear to have massive depreciation from MSRP... but nobody pays MSRP. So to compare a $26K version of the Camaro real street price with a $36.5K Civic real street price makes no sense, and would make the Civic seem better than it truly is. After all, the Edmunds TMV for a SS Couple with the track package after incentives is $36,630, almost identical in price to the Type R, and I think we know the Type R would not be able to hang.
No..seriously the weight vs a brz etc?
I've been thinking about a 4 cyl camaro a lot, i dont really need 455 horse power for the street or all the cost that come with it, right now i have the turbo cobalt ss and its a blast
I laughed a little to hard at "seat's cheap material... security guard pants".
One thing Chevy needs to look at is how it sells them. The packages are so confusing if you are trying to build one on the website every check box you click changes everything. Its so confusing you never know where you are actually at. I just gave up.
Experienced that myself, my guess is certain options are only allowed on certain trim levels.
Too bad you didn't have a Mustang EcoBoost with the EcoBoost performance package and MagneRide Dampening System to compare it to.
That's what i was thinking. They compared to BRZ, or TypeR, i was like really? The EB Mustang PP is it's best match up IMO
The EcoBoost 4cyl was the mid tier engine package back when the v6 Mustang was still around.
The camaro goes 4cyl, v6, v8.
The mustang goes v6, 4cyl, v8.
The EcoBoost would be competing with the v6 1Le, not this model.
Then you could title it: Which American Muscle Wannabe is the gayest
You guys really should do a track battle with this car. There is a ton of interest and I for one will watch. Howabout against the mustang ecoboost? I know the ecoboost has more power, but I still think the Camaro would hold its own, and probably perform better on the track.
When Thomas demonstrated the sound I was like "it sounds like a Civic". I now think of it as possibly a good RWD alternative to the CTR
I didn't quite understand the segment of the market for this car (not hating on the car AT ALL)......UNTIL you mentioned the BRZ/86 crowd. That's actually an incredibly interesting comparison, and one I'd LOVE to see take place.
It's a difficult car to push to people as they usually associate these bodies (including the Mustang) with v8 soundtracks....but that doesn't make the 4cyl cars wrong. Fascinating perspective, I'd have never thought about that comparison. Good on you gents to bring it up!
"but that doesn't make the 4cyl cars wrong"
Strongly disagree. These cars shouldn't exist under the camaro name.
@@covertpetersen2573 would you like to elaborate? It's not the first time the cars have had 4cyl engines, and it's not like the cars are garbage. What is your disagreement with, just sound? I myself wouldn't buy one with anything other than a V8 but that is because I would ONLY buy one those cars at all to get a V8 engine. Not that they should only come with that engine, but I wouldn't care if the cars had been made before at all if it wasn't for the engine. The 4cyl engine is a good one, the v6 is actually quite good in these cars, but a car like the amazing GT350 is ONLY amazing to me because I can't get that engine in anything else. If it didn't have that then I don't need to know it exists, but MANY other people DO like the car for itself not just for the engine.
It's hard to describe what I'm saying, but think of it like this if it helps. A Miata isn't special because of its engine, it's special because of the car itself whereas I don't care at all about these cars because they're huge, heavy as heck, and don't drive the way I love to drive....but I do care about their engine.
Other people just love the cars, and to them these engines are great, and I agree with them.
@@Kamukix than go buy a BRZ, 370Z, Stinger, miata, genesis coupe, etc.
No car with a muscle car nameplate should be bought with less than 8 cylinders, full stop. They're embarrassing. This also applies to the i4 Mustang, and V6 dodges.
@@covertpetersen2573 I am not buying either a Mustang nor Camaro unless it's a full on track car. They have zero appeal to me, but I think they're cool. They are not muscle cars they're pony cars, and honestly they have been SPORTS cars for quite a while now as they actually handle, stop, and in general do everything well instead of just make a bit of power and noise. GM and Ford are surely aware of this which is why they are as they are now. Either way I mean, the Mustang was a secretary car at the beginning but lots of people forget that haha. I don't mean to sound argumentative so I hope you're not reading my words harshly like an internet kid would be saying them (I'm 39 and very much not a kid haha). I'm simply asking the WHY instead of just the answer, know what I mean?
There are cars where I believe they should ABSOLUTELY have only one type of engine in them, but I have reasons why I believe it so (specifically anything that's a Mazda RX-? because the engine is literally the name of the car).
I'm curious how you feel about the upcoming Corvette (or the last Ford GT) not having the engine people are used to seeing in them? What happens when a car reaches a point that in order to go faster, they HAVE to change things that people assumed would never change?
@@covertpetersen2573 btw, the v6 Challenger absolutely does suck lol. That is waaaaay too much car for that poor engine, and it's also the ONLY American car left that is a muscle car (in my humble opinion) though if they put the money into a supercharged/turbo'd v6 as a base I guess that'd work...but it'd likely cost more than developing the V8, so...
This would be a good track car for someone to learn driving in.
Absolutely. Incredibly easy to drive. Easier than a miata and a BRZ to manage the throttle and clutch
@@jamesengelsman9369 I remember my first track day I had a Trans am with a ton of power, and got lapped by a stock Miata. Driver skill is the most important if you want to go fast.
Both are just beautiful cars 😍😍😍
Very interesting perspective. You guys should take this around cliché corner...oh wait, that's the other Canadian duo. Well, in any case, you two should still take it around some corners since that is the focus of this car. Plus, I'd like to see/hear more on James' perspective about using it in the city. You did v8 camaro/mustang compara so how about a 2.0t/2.3t comparo?
How do you guys only have 174k subscribers? 😔
... Canadian conversion 🇨🇦
Ultimately it’s the car you get when you can’t afford the higher price tag, gas, and insurance that comes with the ss + models. A cool car for younger enthusiast getting there foot in the door but still want the looks.
BS! I have this and the SS...the 4 banger Camaro is no joke...it's a full on sports car..it's literally an upgrade to the Cadillac ATS.
This is the fastest cat I've ever seen on the CZcams
Yeah , one one the first things I did was get the 1LE emblem.
Also It would be interesting to compare the camaro 1lt 1le to the ecoboost mustang with the performance pack.
both shitty
A fair comparison would be the Eco boost PP to the V6 1LE
A new Genesis Coupe
Comming from an SS 1le myself I bet this car kicks ass.
James is a Diamond Geezer
Comparison with that, the 2.3L Mustang, BRZ, Type R and veloster N
BRZ is too slow to be a contender, Type R is too expensive (might as well compare it to V6 or V8 then), but the Mustang Ecoboost and Veloster N are price competitive.
@@BoopSnoot I mean I know it's "slow" but again, that is not the point of the car lol. No one complains about a Miata being slow. It is the best handling car south of 50k. So you trade smiles for Drag time. Plus I might be far more livable than the Camaro above.
The ecoboost mustang would be competing with the v6 1Le
@@SoI_Badguy Check Edmunds TMV. Mustang Ecoboost is price competitive.
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Watched that like button go from 1.9k to 2k
C&D Lightning Lap results at VIR - Ecoboost = 3:15.6 and Camaro Turbo 1LE = 3:05.6 or ~ 10 seconds difference over 4.2 mile road course. I'd call that a win for Camaro.
That is a very good looking Car....has the personality of Dimebag Darrel, over the top yet very measured:)
Track timeeeeeeeeeeee laps 0 to 60, 1/4 mile geezzz come on!!
Jesus H Medrano most likely less than the Mustang Ecoboost jajaja
Juan Torres well thats mean! But actually the mustang will beat it on 1/4 and 0 to 60 lap times is a different story..
Robert Schattauer u have a lap time at a track?
Robert Schattauer sorry but i dont believe it being under 5seconds. 5.1 5.3 yea maybe
@@gigi9467 ...and why not? The 4cyl makes a sneeze away from 300ft-ibs of torque and has less weight on the nose, meaning more traction. And the stock SS Camare does sub 4-sec times.
"2.0L 4-cylinder turbocharged..."
"So its 1/2 a camaro?"
No, its a little under 1/3 of a camaro...
Eli Waldrep why do all you people care? Get the v8 then..
What kind of car do you drive then lol?
Camaro’s have always been known to be an American muscle, with a big v8... Put a 2.0 turbo in there, and its homosexuality on wheels
Times change. Mustang and Camaro are sports cars now.
Camaro doesn't have any 2.0L. It just has a Camaro body. Yeah, anything less than a V6 is not a Camaro.
Put exhaust clips of this and a later years Cobalt SS together, little difference 😂
I like it. I like V8 alot, but there are a lot of advantages, it is quiet, has better fuel consumption, easier to maintain, and here where I'm from it will be cheaper to ensure, it is still a Camaro, looks agressive and sporty, and has a 6 speed manual transmission. For me, this is perfect.
The turbo 4 is good. Get the V-8.
Honestly just go for a used SS... I picked up a '17 2SS for like $34k
Clone895 damn here in europe 17' ss goes for around 60k usd...my 2011 v6 rs cost me about 23k usd last year... must be nice to live in country where everything is so cheap :-)
@@wykydytron That's crazy... My car's sticker price with options (mag ride, NPP exhaust, etc) was about $50K... Just did a quick search and found a 2013 2LT Hot Wheels edition for S15.5K with ~40k miles. I didn't realize how expensive American cars were overseas... Then again European cars aren't terribly cheap over here :P
The ecoboost mustang gets shit but everyone loves this? Gotta love it. It does have 310 horsepower and 350 lb ft of torque
Oh shit I actually got people to debate things. V8s are better for the record, I was just surprised how much more power the mustang has
Nobody actually likes this car or the Ecoboost or the sad v6 charger/challenger. Anybody considering one of those 3 cars should look elsewhere or save up for the V8.
@@ELITEViRuZz I also hate the 5.7L Charger/Challenger regardless if it's a V8
@@LeJunny Care to elaborate on why you hate the 5.7 Hemi? It doesn't seem bad on paper, but I have no experience with it.
@@ELITEViRuZz yea all it has going for itself is a loud V8 engine, but besides that a V6 Camaro or Mustang will out perform it in every way possible. Power to weight ratio is off
@@LeJunny yep, the R/T Scat Pack with the 6.4 Hemi is needed just to compete with the GT or SS
I’ve got a 2010 camaro 2LT V6 automatic. I think it makes around 306 horsepower.
The drive modes don’t change the ride quality, do they? You mention that in the video but I’m pretty sure these don’t have the magnetic shocks. My ‘17 V6 1LE didn’t.