What's This NEW Lightroom Feature - Support For HDR Output?
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2023
- In this tutorial, I explain and demo a new Lightroom Classic feature called, Support for HDR displays.
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In this tutorial, I explain and demo a new Lightroom Classic feature called, Support for HDR displays.
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Here is the video I did on Lightroom Classic ver 13:
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When I exported as HDR (after editing as HDR) checking the HDR box in the export dialog box to flickr and smugmug,, I didn't see the Hdr version (that I see on my M1 macbook pro in lightroom). Doesn't even show in the preview app. Looks great in lightroom, but you can't use it anywhere else! In another five years the photo sites will catch up. A non-starter for now.
I have the same problem using an M3 MacBook Pro, did you find a solution for this?
Very interesting. I'm going to have to spend time exploring this. Thanks!
I love HDR. And I love this move from Lightroom. Yes not all devices support it but hopefully this will start to move the industry to have more support for hdr. It’s weird and harder to work with but it will allow for higher dynamic range imaging which is awesome. It should also allow for the images to be displayed exactly how you edited without having the monitor change saturation and brightness level etc IF this tech finally gets implemented properly.
Also, you’d need to record and export your video in hdr if you wanted to show the hdr here.
I'm totally new to this HDR feature but when I click HDR and export it, those bright highlights are not shown instead this crunchy HDR look. Any pointers or help?
same
Excelent!!!
thanks for explanation. i do have two questions on it. 1) for print HDR does have more information in the file. do you see the difference between SDR and HDR in print? 2) uplading and offering pictures on adobe stock, do you think upload in HDR make sense?
Thanks for tutorial, I have saved the image and now not sure how to preview it :) lol
iPhone and any image viewers showing me wrong color space image. Any solution, how do you preview image?
Good information. A couple of things. 1) have you tried calibrating your monitor for HDR? I wonder if it is calibrated to sRGB if it will clip colors values out of range. 2) I look forward to trying this on my monitor. 3) unless I am thinking wrong, going from 256 color intensity to 500 is a proximately one stop (double the light) I would think. That would mean each of those sections is 1/3 stop. Try adjusting the exposure 1, 2, 3 stops and see what happens.
17:45 How much of the extra gamut and dynamic range are left after tonemapping everything back into REC709? I was under the impression that REC2020 was the colorspace to use when it comes to HDR content, with REC709 being the old SDR standard.
To demonstrate the HDR appearance I think you have to record the screen by aiming a camera at it, rather than recording a screen capture with software like ScreenFlow. But this illustrates how this is still a limited feature.
Thanks, but curious about printing. Does printing incorporate HDR, or should your focurs on SDR?
This random commenter doubts there's any benefit to HDR in print.
The brightest you can go on print is the color of the medium you print on, right? So unless your print is always shown with lots of light on it, and you get really fine control over the amount of ink used, it's not going to look all that bright.
It is impossible to print HDR. As Adobe themselves said in their HDR explainer, “we simply can’t print a tone that is brighter than paper white.” Screens have a major advantage that they are self-lit, so you can get to HDR just by using a brighter backlight. But paper can only reflect light, and it can’t ever reflect 100% of the light that hits it. The contrast ratio of paper is even lower than SDR displays.
If you like to print, you should edit the image for print, and if you want to explore HDR, you should make a copy that you edit differently for that. You won’t be able to make one version that is perfect on both.
informative video
my screen is HDR capable and I can see the difference. thank you 👍
Thanks for your explanations, they made things clearer! The LR HDR feature was introduced in midst of my search for a new 27" monitor. Now I am undecided if I should still get a SDR (EIZO) or a HDR one. There are different ones certified for HDR 400 or HDR 1000. Would those certifications correspond with the +1 to +4 HDR settings? What bothers me is that those HDR (OLED / Mini-LED) monitors often utilize PWM which is affecting eye strain when dimming the brightness.
So the new pixel 8 supports 10bit hdr photos with jpegXL. You nees to activate it in advanced settings. Fully backwards compatible if yiu sene it to someone but the difference onscreen on the pixel 8 is simply stunning.
Hi Anthony.. a little advice please; not getting this update on my CC, not even getting it on the LRC - Help _ updates? Any recommendatioins. The Adobe community help advises to uninstall LRC and then installing it afresh!
Those with FULL HDR monitors will be feeling very smug . If they do have one and enter a projected digital image competition and the judge doesn’t have a FULL HDR monitor …then what .
I have a 2021 iMac …I’m gonna totally ignore the HDR tab .
this was very useful to me, thanks Anthony!
Since I currently do not have an HDR-capable monitor, I'll have to see to what extent I can use this new feature
before buying an HDR monitor.
One major concern though, to me, is: WHAT ABOUT PRINTING?
Will my Canon photo printer be able to print better images if I edited the image in HDR mode before?
Thanks for commenting on that.
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Editing in HDR is not a good idea if your final output is photo paper, as photo paper can't be brighter than paper white. Strange as it may be, HDR processed images will only ever look as they should on HDR complaint computer display, and are not sutible for printing.
How does it work on multiple monitor set ups where only one of your monitors is HDR capable?
any different when it post to ig/fb and browse on iphone? 🤔
This feature has great ability in the future. Unfortunately right now, we are so far off from sharing HDR amung apps and various screens.
Thanks for the explanation. Note when I Googled HDR and Lightroom all I could find from Adobe itself was the HDR merge. The article by Eric Chan that you referred to didn't appear in the search results. Your video did!
I have an iMac (2019, 27" 5K Retina display). Looking at the article by Eric Chan none of the images looked any different between SDR & HDR. In addition he says don't use HDR if you print.
For me this is a completely pointless addition to LrC that brings with it no benefit whatsoever.
Thank you for clarifying this!
When I exported as HDR (after editing as HDR) checking the HDR box in the export dialog box to flickr and smugmug,, I didn't see the Hdr version (that I see on my M1 macbook pro in lightroom). Doesn't even show in the preview app. Looks great in lightroom, but you can't use it anywhere else!
Hello Anthony, thanks a lot for your very helpful videos. I saw this one and clarified many doubts I had on HDR but there is another issue you did not talk about. This is the case I have when shooting with my iPhone 15 specially with its Portrait Mode. When I import my photo to a MacBook Pro and use the software (mac) Photos you see it with beautiful bright colors displayed, but when you do it in Lightroom the only way to see it as well is by pressing the HDR icon. Now when you export it from Lightroom to Photoshop you get ugly results!! Can you check this and explain? Again thanks a lot!!
I forgot to ask you what about printing? Will you see the difference between them?
Has Adobe specified best practices for taking one of these files into Photoshop? I just tried it and it looked quite bad in Photoshop. All the highlights are very dulled back. My usual workflow is take my LR files into PS for final sharpening, then back into LR for outputting. I guess this isn't going to work with these files.
10:10 There's stuff like DisplayHDR400/500/600/1000/1400 etc by VESA, right? Indicating the amount of NITS of peak brightness it can reach. And you can refer to HDR400 as HDAren't, because it's just all that impressive.
HDR editing in Lightroom has so far only gave me more of a headache as to where to begin . . . I have a BenQ PD2725U capable of HDR . . . but I have so many questions as to how to set this monitor up when in Lightroom and also saving Jpg files for the masses . . . It's a cluster**** of new settings that I don't even know where to start . . . I've tried and sometimes when I get to Photoshop to edit from Lightroom, the visuals I see from LR is different once it gets to PS - PS is usually blown out with the whites and I figured that I have to HDR visualize in LR and kill those 'blue' - which I believe is somewhat clipped? or I can also re-adjust it in Camera raw in PS . . . . . . it's ll convoluted that even here I do not know if I am making any sense !!
I gave up on this at 12.16 because I can`t see the point, the big majority of people may not own an HDR Monitor for years yet, based on cost. Its great ADOBE adding things like this but they still allow faults to persist in LRC that have been there for years, even though you report it to them. I`d rather have a working LRC rather than one with bells and whistles I`ll maybe never use.
50.00Thanks!
Thanks for the information in the video. I tried the same and when I viewed the same in my OLED TV the HDR jpeg looks the same as SDR jpeg. I used my iMac 2021 to process which also supports ACR HDR screen
Which format did you export the photo as? I tried a few different outputs and the new JPG XL and AVIF formats carry the HDR information over, I couldn't get a normal jpeg to work.
@@123123BMTH JPG XL and avif won’t play in my Sony OLED TV. So I tried jpg with rec2020.
I guess if you are an Adobe user in a modern Apple ecosystem, you are all set. But most of us don't have HDR displays (for computer or TV) and likely won't be getting them any time soon - until the existing ones need replacing. So not sure who the target audience for this new capability really is. And if you have to prepare both HDR and SDR versions to share, that seems more trouble than its worth. But I guess the same thing was said whan the Adobe RGB colour space first appeared or when fully compliant Adobe RGB monitors first appeared. All in the name of progress...
No 10-bit HEIF export? 🙁
I still can't figure out how to export. HDR and non HDR files give the same image
Here's a workaround a HDR bug in Lightroom/Photoshop 2024:
The problem: DHR does't get transferred to Photoshop if I click Open with Photoshop 2024.
Instead I can click add Photoshop exe to the menu in the settings, then I click Edit in> photosop exe
edit as a copy, then the copy gets saved, I open that as a copy in Photoshop 2024.
My guess 1000 nits+ to see any differentces? Great video btw.
not sure if have HDR monitor
The headache is the printers. They have get the printers to understand HDR but that tech is NOT there so if you print your are likely limited to SDR.
I don't think that HDR will ever translate to a print. The white point is the paper choice. Unless they make paper a brighter white I don't think there would be any difference.
Is Photoshop 2024 capable of displaying and editing an HDR image??
I went back to a catalog I had with pics from last year taken on the Inca Trail in Peru - some of the photos I was not happy with because of a slight overexposure (bright clouds - esp at 14,000') - reprocessing these pics they look much!!! better but the problem is I can't show them to anyone :(
Yeah it sucks. However, if you and a friend have iphones you can share them between each other haha
Silly quiestion. Is an iPad Pro screen hdr?
The m-ones is (m1, m2)
It must be an M1/M2 12.9” iPad Pro, which does support HDR with the Liquid Retina XDR display. The 11” M1/M2 iPad Pro only has the non-HDR Liquid Retina display. Not a silly question!
Ahhh… That’s why HDR blew me away on my MacBook M1Pro, but when I posted the photo to a Facebook group, it lost the HDR magic…
I opened LRC and got the message that it was going to create a new catalog and keep a copy of the old one. I don't know what that means.
Just means it will update it to the newest up update but keeps an old copy incase anything were to go wrong or if you wanted to roll back the update.
Sadly, this is a useless feature because exporting HDR JPEG still looks like SDR image on iPhone screen. We need proper 10-bit HEIF export option from Lightroom. Other formats aren't working well at all. Uninstalled for now. Will check again later if they manage to implement this properly.
AVIF and JPEG XL are good enough and way better than HEIF in quality, and also royalty-free. iOS 17 recently introduced JPEG XL support and it seems like Apple will fully adopt it for their ecosystem. AVIF will also be adopted as long as AV1 is supported by newer devices (hopefully with hardware accelerated codecs) and software.
Having HEIF would be cool (the more the merrier) but it's not a huge loss.
Thanks, however aren't we starting to get little over the top with some of this AI editing? Now it seems as those we need to all go out and buy HDR screen.
There's no point using HDR in Lightroom until all devices (displays, printers, etc.) are capable of displaying true HDR (like SDR today).
There are people out there with grayscale displays, should we avoid using color?
@@RC-1290 go ahead and waste your time with HDR at this point if you want.
I agree, if you are a fairly "standard" Lightroom user such as myself with a Benq monitor 99% SRGB and a Pro200 printer the HDR feature seems to be totally irrelevant.
Depends on how you present your images. I view my images on a true HDR TV, 2019 Samsung Q80. It blows away any print and most monitors.
It might be a waste of time at this moment, but the change is going to happen automatically. I already have an HDR capable display on my phone and laptop - yet I did not even think of HDR when buying them. They just do it already, I can use my 2-year-old 14” MacBook Pro to edit in HDR in Lightroom Classic. My TV is getting old, so when I finally upgrade, any of the good TVs sold today are already essentially all HDR.
Sure, there are still issues to work out about file formats and web browser support, but those will get sorted out over time. And the way HDR is quickly becoming standard on large and small screens, those fixes might come faster than you think.
Remember, today, people see many more images on their phones and TVs than they do in print.