Subterranean Civilizations

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  • Historically humanity has often taken shelter in caves or underground, and it is often thought we might do so again, on other worlds, in event of disasters, or simply because we run out of room on the ground above. In this episode we'll explore the concept of building underground, from simply subways and basements to advanced bunkers or entire cities beneath the Earth.
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    Credits:
    Earth 2.0: Subterranean Civilizations
    Episode 169, Season 5 E03
    Written by:
    Isaac Arthur
    Editors:
    A.T. Long
    Darius Said
    D. Hemanshi
    Evan Schultheis
    Keith Blockus
    Matthew Acker
    Steve Nixon
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  • @isaacarthurSFIA
    @isaacarthurSFIA  Před 5 lety +139

    Quick notes/corrections:
    For those planning to join us this afternoon on Discord at 6pm EST, discord.gg/53GAShE is the server, please enable push-to-talk before joining
    and, of course, please be courteous about talking over top of others in there.:)
    Also about 19 minutes there's a typo on temperature with depth, it rises about 25-30C per km or 72-87F per mile, I say 130, wasn't paying attention.

    • @industrialfear5055
      @industrialfear5055 Před 5 lety +9

      I just wanted to say I really appreciate you. thanks for all the hard work. I was sure to grab a snack!

    • @Kharmazov
      @Kharmazov Před 5 lety +3

      Really loved that warhammer chaos reference;-)

    • @1000niggawatt
      @1000niggawatt Před 5 lety +3

      Isaac, respectfully, can we get some actual space futurism? Like your early stuff. I swear this days i expect you to do a video on future smartphones or something.

    • @Don-ds3dy
      @Don-ds3dy Před 5 lety +1

      I love caves.

    • @NakedDeparture1
      @NakedDeparture1 Před 5 lety

      are you sure, really sure, about the shape of the earth?

  • @R4pStu
    @R4pStu Před 5 lety +948

    "He'd probably be a funghi."
    Good old Arthur, knows all about space and therefore is always finding shroom for a joke.

    • @MrAdryan1603
      @MrAdryan1603 Před 5 lety +9

      Haaaa.

    • @keenhydraeft6734
      @keenhydraeft6734 Před 5 lety +33

      I had to pause the video, grab a water and come back to get over that joke. love it

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +14

      Yes, and he never keeps us in the dark (well maybe) and feeds us lots of bullshit!

    • @MrAdryan1603
      @MrAdryan1603 Před 5 lety +1

      @@ronschlorff7089 What bullshit are you referring to?

    • @NodDisciple1
      @NodDisciple1 Před 5 lety +1

      Time stamp?

  • @zoidsfan12
    @zoidsfan12 Před 3 lety +80

    As someone with a history in mycology I would say feeding a populace off of fungi is extremely plausible. It is not slower than agriculture in any fashion, in fact mushrooms are much faster to grow. The startup time from spore to fruit takes 4 months but the advantage of fungi is that you can offset the batches so as to effectively be constantly harvesting. In fact fungus can become too fast to handle if you do it right. I got my system down to a nearly daily harvest. Each time I transferred a batch of grain spawn to substrate I would also split 1 jar between a whole set of 10 newly sterilized grain. You can only do this so many times but a single jar inoculated with spores can very easily birth a thousand spawn jars over its lifetime. With that much mycelium you can very easily take spore prints every once in a while off of fruiting tubers and be able to keep your system going indefinitely. Just as one person I was able to grow more mushrooms than I would ever be able to eat myself, so even if only 10% of a subterranean populace was mushroom growers they could easily feed the entire populace. The thing that really separates fungi from crops is that you have to babysit crops to harvest them, with fungi it is hearty and will grow even when you don't want it to. There are many people that have tossed their spent substrate into the yard and ended up with mushrooms constantly growing in that area.

    • @revenevan11
      @revenevan11 Před rokem +10

      I don't have a background in mycology, but knowing what I do about fungi I wouldn't be surprised if, especially with some gene editing, we could make them produce every macro and micronutrient that we need. Anything not abundant enough in the substrate for them to concentrate for us, like trace metals that humans need, we could supplement from mining underground lol.

  • @orangeSoda35
    @orangeSoda35 Před 5 lety +423

    A better life underground brought to by Vaultec.

  • @N0TYALC
    @N0TYALC Před 5 lety +13

    I like how Isaac has stopped putting the notices about his speech impediment on his videos. It's nice to know that he got comfortable enough with it that he no longer felt the need to apologize for who he is. Or maybe he's just cultivated a community of people mature enough that the comments about it stopped after a while. Either way, love the vids!

  • @Torus2112
    @Torus2112 Před 5 lety +20

    16:23 That concept is so unbelievably awesome. Someone who's been living as a consciousness loaded on to the internet or something returning to their physical apartment buried deep in an undercity after centuries, unsealing it like some kind of pharaoh's tomb. What a crazy and evocative image that is, now I'm dying to see it used in fiction somehow.

  • @lordilluminati5836
    @lordilluminati5836 Před 5 lety +57

    all in all this episode was quite down to earth.

  • @InnocuousRemark
    @InnocuousRemark Před 5 lety +383

    Alright boys and girls, place your bets. Are we gonna get an "in case you've been living under a rock" gag this episode?" House is giving 7:1 odds, place yer bets

    • @isaacarthurSFIA
      @isaacarthurSFIA  Před 5 lety +89

      I think we had a 'in case you've been living underground' already

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +8

      @@isaacarthurSFIA Yeah, and just in case "your head's been in a place where the sun don't shine"!

    • @Wertsir
      @Wertsir Před 5 lety +1

      ​@Shimikaze1 He's named Pubert Spore Haywood, he's a piece of fungus.

    • @meeklynobody3230
      @meeklynobody3230 Před 4 lety +1

      23:40

  • @merinsan
    @merinsan Před 5 lety +15

    I've been in some pretty impressive underground shopping districts in Singapore. They're actually building down for security reasons. The idea is if they were attacked, these areas could be used as giant bunkers. Apparently there are tunnels connecting them too, which are not open to the public.

  • @YH-du3jc
    @YH-du3jc Před 5 lety +144

    23:40 you made me spit out my coffee. Well played.

    • @ArchAngelThomas
      @ArchAngelThomas Před 5 lety +22

      That was terrible and I loved it.

    • @SubvertTheState
      @SubvertTheState Před 5 lety +9

      The same "fun guy" joke my dad throws out lol

    • @Shatterverse
      @Shatterverse Před 5 lety +3

      Do you want Orks? Because this is how you get Orks.

    • @mikeloeven
      @mikeloeven Před 5 lety

      @@Shatterverse Have you ever talked to an Ork?? They are hilarious .... when they aren't trying to krump you that is

    • @Shatterverse
      @Shatterverse Před 5 lety

      @@mikeloeven you do not talk to Orks. You kill them, twice, and burn what's left. Unless you're another Ork in which case you kill them, point and laugh, and eat what's left.

  • @janbastrup1204
    @janbastrup1204 Před 5 lety +190

    As a Fungi lover and also a fun guy. that joke hit me hard.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +1

      I suppose if a guy was named Gustav.....well, you see where I'm going with this!!!

    • @dreimann
      @dreimann Před 5 lety +1

      R D R R

    • @danielrinsemandawson500
      @danielrinsemandawson500 Před 4 lety

      Why did mushrooms go to parties because he's a fungi ha ha ha. Friiiiibid frrrrrrrribid < Mr bean

    • @loganlin6109
      @loganlin6109 Před 4 lety

      Jan Bastrup what exactly is fun about fungi

    • @Big73W
      @Big73W Před 4 lety

      @@loganlin6109 I don't know about shitake mushrooms but psilocybe varieties are a hoot

  • @TheSporelord01
    @TheSporelord01 Před 5 lety +251

    I gotta say - the visuals have really been improving recently. Keep it up Isaac!

  • @paulwalsh2344
    @paulwalsh2344 Před 5 lety +48

    @ 23:40 "... who wouldn't want to talk to a giant mushroom person ? He'd probably be a fungi."
    ... Oh Isaac, you slay me ! LOL

    • @takunveritas
      @takunveritas Před 5 lety

      Is that a warhammer reference?

    • @ns3276
      @ns3276 Před 5 lety +6

      That...or the fact that fungi sounds like "fun guy" and it is in fact a fungi. Terrible but hilarious pun

    • @Mr_Dimplezz
      @Mr_Dimplezz Před 4 lety +2

      Yea but it's a very old joke. But we'll placed in his narration. 👍

  • @FernandoBerlinBoots2017
    @FernandoBerlinBoots2017 Před 5 lety +48

    "...we are breaking new ground here...", that made me chuckle.

  • @fuckYTIDontWantToUseMyRealName

    "He's probably be a fun guy"
    I never imagined I'd be able to injure myself rolling my eyes, but there it went...

  • @Kurai_69420
    @Kurai_69420 Před 4 lety +24

    The civilization becomes type 3 when they can make a pickaxe that can mine bedrock.

  • @Lukegear
    @Lukegear Před 5 lety +193

    Unless you've been living underground it should be obvious how great Isaac is

    • @michaelburke750
      @michaelburke750 Před 5 lety +7

      Lukegear even so it’s evident, unless you have zero intelligence and rely on the status quo... 🤣

    • @rojaws1183
      @rojaws1183 Před 5 lety +10

      That is also true for those STONED enough. Everyone else know that Isaac ROCKS.

    • @opheliabawles9646
      @opheliabawles9646 Před 5 lety +4

      Always mind-expanding, but perhaps he went into this subject matter especially deeply.

    • @michaelburke750
      @michaelburke750 Před 5 lety +1

      Ophelia Bawles ...far be it from him to leave the subject earthed, buried in speculation, hidden from view... awright awright cut it out now kiddies

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +2

      I was trying to come up with a clever response too, …...but never mine!

  • @Langkowski
    @Langkowski Před 3 lety +5

    Have you heard about Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (LASL) and Bob Potter? in the 1970s they experimented with something called an atomic subterrene, a thermonuclear tunnel boring machine that should melt its way trough granite and other rocks. Even if they didn't go any further with it, it did show a lot of potential.

    • @Wordsmiths
      @Wordsmiths Před rokem +1

      Just looked this up, thanks for the tip! The best info I found so far is here: atomic-skies.blogspot.com/2012/07/those-magnificent-men-and-their-atomic.html

  • @blazingeek
    @blazingeek Před 5 lety +60

    23:41 **BA DUM TSSS** 🙄

  • @kokaomf
    @kokaomf Před 5 lety +40

    This episode was brought to you by:
    V A U L T - T E C : "A better Future Underground"

  • @supersymm3try
    @supersymm3try Před 5 lety +64

    I haven't watched this yet as it came out 5 mins ago. but i already know its amazing.👍

  • @HaloForgeUltra
    @HaloForgeUltra Před 5 lety +8

    23:40 *"Who wouldn't want to talk to a giant mushroom person, he'd be a FUNGI."* - Isaac Arthur 2019

  • @RockRanchCowboy
    @RockRanchCowboy Před 5 lety +7

    As a mining engineer, I really enjoyed this episode. Thanks for all your work Isaac!

  • @JKAzrael247
    @JKAzrael247 Před 5 lety +22

    Well guess i know what to do, *Puts on a worker's helmet gets a Microphone and a drill* "BEHOLD THE UNDERMINER WILL RISE!!"

  • @TheRealCharter
    @TheRealCharter Před 5 lety +102

    Love the fitting Stellaris soundtrack.

    • @Reedstilt
      @Reedstilt Před 5 lety +3

      I often listen to the Stellaris soundtrack while working on other things. I thought I was going crazy because I couldn't find the tab I left open with the soundtrack playing.

    • @icyknightmare4592
      @icyknightmare4592 Před 5 lety +9

      There's a subterranean civilization event in Stellaris. You can either establish peaceful relations, or flood their tunnels with nerve gas and send in the death squads.

    • @moritzk3004
      @moritzk3004 Před 4 lety +2

      @@icyknightmare4592 one version is definitly better
      "every stellaris game in a nutshell" song starts playing

    • @justinlacek1481
      @justinlacek1481 Před 3 lety +1

      @@icyknightmare4592 I actually thought that came with one of my mods

    • @icyknightmare4592
      @icyknightmare4592 Před 3 lety

      @@justinlacek1481 there might be mods that add or expand on it, but it is a default event.

  • @andreas_arvidsson
    @andreas_arvidsson Před 5 lety +12

    "Regarldless what a city is first constructed upon. Over time what its most built on top of, is itself."
    My mind went straight to Ankh-Morpork :D

  • @merbst
    @merbst Před 4 lety +15

    The mycological spirit god of the Psylocybe Cubensis Mexicana told me to hollow out a giant cavern for his kind to live.

  • @MontieMongoose
    @MontieMongoose Před 5 lety +56

    Happy Arthursday everybody.

  • @jSlazer1988
    @jSlazer1988 Před 5 lety +6

    17:50 I can already hear Thunderfoot already reeeee'ing in the background.

  • @freesaxon6835
    @freesaxon6835 Před 5 lety +6

    Ah Dr. Strangelove ..... Towards the end of the film when he discusses the options for living underground, and who would be selected lol 😂😂😁

  • @ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e
    @ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e Před 3 lety +4

    This is amazing. As a kid back in the day I used to constantly fantasize about underground civilizations. I even used to spend my time digging for Fraggles because I thought they were real and would invite me to hang out with them if I found them. Anyway, great video was always. Thank you.

  • @ganaraminukshuk0
    @ganaraminukshuk0 Před 5 lety +2

    "A city is oftentimes built on top of itself." I guess Futurama had a point... (Even though this is seen in other fictitious settings; Atlantis as shown in Aquaman, for example.)
    "If you're gonna live underground long-term, you may as well grow some plants and have it well-lit." Sounds like EthosLab again.
    You also had me at mushroom people. (I also thought how cool it'd be if my university had underground tunnels connecting some of the buildings together because it's been raining all week.)

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 Před 3 lety +1

      My school has underground tunnels connecting all the buildings and an old fallout shelter, but the students don't have direct access to any of these most of the time.

  • @marb.u.b8263
    @marb.u.b8263 Před 5 lety +8

    0:44 "we're not breaking new ground here"
    That's literally what we're doing

  • @herbiehusker1889
    @herbiehusker1889 Před 5 lety +32

    I have no desire for my descendants to become a Morlock, so I'll stay above ground thank you very much.

    • @Cythil
      @Cythil Před 5 lety +18

      Yeah but you would not want them to become Eloi ether would you? ^_^

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +11

      @@Cythil If the women looked like Yvette Mimeux, that would not be so bad! The men were all a bunch of "snowflakes" though, I agree!

    • @notablegoat
      @notablegoat Před 5 lety +1

      Well then they'll just be the people the Morlocks eat

    • @ahumanbeingamnayplaceholde1746
      @ahumanbeingamnayplaceholde1746 Před 4 lety +1

      Or dwarfs from dwarf fortress

  • @amfinc2
    @amfinc2 Před 5 lety +41

    Nurgle loves you

    • @isaacarthurSFIA
      @isaacarthurSFIA  Před 5 lety +13

      and is so free with his gifts too, you should read Chris Wraight's Lords of Silence if you haven't already :)

    • @r.m.renfield4541
      @r.m.renfield4541 Před 5 lety +1

      @@isaacarthurSFIA The description of Mortarion's plague planet is amazing.

    • @spaceman6463
      @spaceman6463 Před 5 lety +2

      Andrew Finck
      heretic

    • @amfinc2
      @amfinc2 Před 5 lety +2

      Space Man i have a Dark Angels army, so that may or may not be accurate. ;)

    • @spaceman6463
      @spaceman6463 Před 5 lety +1

      Andrew Finck
      I will destroy you heretic for the god king emperor of man

  • @EngIlya
    @EngIlya Před 5 lety +7

    Are you sure earthquakes are worse underground? I remember the opposite being told in a few videos explaining the hyperloop in tunnels. "Earthquake is essentially a surface phenomenon"

    • @kevinbarber2795
      @kevinbarber2795 Před 2 lety +1

      >hyper loop
      There’s you’re problem.

    • @EngIlya
      @EngIlya Před 2 lety

      @@kevinbarber2795 subterranean civilizations + hyperloop = 💕

  • @AtomicFrontier
    @AtomicFrontier Před 5 lety +53

    Awesome topic! Just finished my own video on colonising the "Caves of Mars" where we explore some of UK's caves to better understand this new frontier. Its over on my channel if you're interested.

    • @isaacarthurSFIA
      @isaacarthurSFIA  Před 5 lety +27

      That's really well done, and I wish I'd had some of those clips for today, was quite a hassle coming up with good underground footage :) You should post the episode to the SFIA Facebook group, find some new subscribers.

    • @AtomicFrontier
      @AtomicFrontier Před 5 lety +19

      Thank you so much! Going underground is amazing, but filming there is super painful - I can see why getting stock footage would be difficult. Thanks for another great episode.

  • @cloudrobs
    @cloudrobs Před 5 lety +34

    I like before I watch. There's absolutely no reason to ever dislike Isaac's videos anymore. We know about the speech impediment. But I see it as a sexy accent. Always excited about thursdays. Thanks brother keep up the great work.

    • @fast1nakus
      @fast1nakus Před 5 lety +5

      I think, since he didn't mention it at the beginning of the video, he dealt with it in his head. Which is nice

    • @PantsuMann
      @PantsuMann Před 5 lety +6

      Never ever bothered me. I first thought he was german or something. I love accents overall, especially Scotish.

    • @EdMcStinko
      @EdMcStinko Před 5 lety +2

      At this point I'm jealous of the accent.

    • @meandmetoo8436
      @meandmetoo8436 Před 5 lety +3

      Wait, he has a speech impediment ?
      Always thought it was an accent.

    • @kparker2430
      @kparker2430 Před 5 lety +2

      look i feel bad and need to apologise to Mr Arthur; i only saw my first of your vids about a month ago; and i made the comment "what am i hearing hear; is that an accent; south african + canadian or a speech impediment - every 'er' sound has been replaced with an 'or' sound"... there was no elmer fudd heads up on that vid.... a month later and i have watched a lot of your vids; i like the way you talk, it is engaging and grows on a person. Besides you are also a very clever man... so sorry, really for rushing in with a dumb comment. Subbed and always liked.

  • @TheExoplanetsChannel
    @TheExoplanetsChannel Před 5 lety +51

    Great video as always! Maybe subterranean bases could be a great option for Mars

    • @numberjackfiutro7412
      @numberjackfiutro7412 Před 5 lety +15

      The best option for Mars colonies would be buildings partially covered by Martian dirt, this would provide radiation protection while still allowing windows to let sunlight in. You'd probably want windows if you're going to be stuck inside a hab 98% of the time.

    • @MandaiPL
      @MandaiPL Před 5 lety +4

      They did that in Netional Geographic's "Mars" series, I recommend them

    • @AtomicFrontier
      @AtomicFrontier Před 5 lety +5

      You're exactly right! Mars' lava tubes might be a nice pre-made option as well, especially if you want to skip on the digging and get straight to exploring. They're also a great place to start looking for life. If you're interested I just made a video on the topic where we go into some of UK's caves to find out more on this new frontier. The video is called "Martian Caves", hope you find it interesting!

    • @nmarbletoe8210
      @nmarbletoe8210 Před 5 lety +1

      Find a lava tunnel next to that giant lake of water ice, that'd be smooth.

    • @JosePineda-cy6om
      @JosePineda-cy6om Před 5 lety +3

      And for the moon. The spectacular asteroid collission with the Moon during this last lunar eclipse, visible for all to see, demonstrates why a surface-level colony on a body with no significant atmosphere is a big no-no

  • @bobbone8029
    @bobbone8029 Před 4 lety +1

    To answer one of the questions on this video, the city forcefully made my mother saw them the property under her house. They told her it was for sewerage and they never even gave her a choice! They simply mail her a check for $1 with a partial explanation what it's for and hey have a nice day kind of ending with no thank you in sight! On the subject of thanks, I got to say thank you very much for all your great videos! I binge watch them daily! Your the man Sir Isaac Arthur! Today had a ring to it, no?

  • @Esoteric_5075ism
    @Esoteric_5075ism Před 5 lety +11

    Subterranean is my favourite kind of building. Lets become big dwarves.

    • @mgc7199
      @mgc7199 Před 5 lety +1

      I'm not tall. I just have long bones!

  • @Gott1337able
    @Gott1337able Před 5 lety +23

    Best CZcams channel by far!!

  • @jkerman5113
    @jkerman5113 Před 5 lety +14

    "We aren't breaking any new ground here"
    *I see what you did there*

  • @kampar82
    @kampar82 Před 3 lety +1

    Cooling is the biggest issue for under ground bomb shelters. Where I live bed rock is typically few meters below the ground. It works as insulation, bad insulation but when the thermal energy has heated enough of the bed rock heat dissipation will be minimal.

  • @binozia-old-2031
    @binozia-old-2031 Před 5 lety +3

    when i was 6 my mum told me about when she lived in osaka that they had cafés and convince stores under ground and since then ive often thought about huge underground cities
    its a fascinating subject and i wonder if it will ever be implemented (on earth) on a large scale

  • @adaeptzulander2928
    @adaeptzulander2928 Před 5 lety +3

    23:44 - He'd probably be a fungi." Da-dum-dum!
    Either that or an Ork! Get stuck in wit da Boyz!

  • @vgames1543
    @vgames1543 Před 5 lety +36

    I have already asked this, but I'll do it once again. Can we have these cool Thumbnails as wallpapers? Could we download them somewhere?

    • @AugustusBohn0
      @AugustusBohn0 Před 4 lety +9

      all the thumbnail art is available as wallpaper sized downloads on Jakub Grygier's artstation page

  • @thatfighterguy5846
    @thatfighterguy5846 Před 5 lety +9

    Your videos are so cool, and you always give me ideas for my sci-fi stories and help me improve my existing works in progress. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @davidmyers989
    @davidmyers989 Před 5 lety +15

    I have often wondered how deep of an open pit mine one would have to dig on Mars or Ganymede, before the temperature and pressure would be better suited for humans, and if the would take care of the radiation concerns? If it were below sea level pressure even, seems like that would be a stable and energy efficient environment?

    • @mill2712
      @mill2712 Před 5 lety +7

      That's actually a solid idea. Only a few meters of the ground will block radiation so that is no longer a concern. Gravity is much lower on Mars and Mercury and even more so than on Ganymede so digging is much easier. Though you would have to go much further. Probably a few kilometers but nothing too unmanageable especially if you have functioning colonies. This also deals well with micro meteors and heat nicely. And the best part is as far as we know (Unless some one proves me wrong.) is that all three are geologically inactive. So the earthquake risk is minimal. It's a good way go get desired materials as well.

    • @davidmyers989
      @davidmyers989 Před 5 lety +3

      @@mill2712 My thinking is if you dig deep enough, a few km/miles, the atmosphere would be thick enough even open to space that colonists wouldn't have to worry about meteorites or alpha and beta particles just like the atmosphere protects us here on Earth?

    • @AtomicFrontier
      @AtomicFrontier Před 5 lety +6

      Mars' thermal gradient is roughly 10°C/km, so you'd have to go down some ways down - but it would definitely work. However, since rock is a good-enough insulator (and insulation is pretty easy to make anyway) you could probably get away with being only a couple of metres deep. That's also deep enough to block damaging radiation! In terms of pressure you'd need to go really deep (>100km) to even begin approximating that of the Earth, however as long as you put a door at the entrance to your hole its pretty easy to keep the pressure high. But all of that is super doable. In fact, one way we're considering colonising Mars is by setting up base in its lava tubes! If you want to see a bit more explanation I've gone into more detail over at my channel (the video is called "Martian Caves"). Hope that helps!

    • @davidmyers989
      @davidmyers989 Před 5 lety +2

      @@AtomicFrontier Awesome answer! Thank you!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 Před 5 lety +6

      @@AtomicFrontier I like the idea of lava tubes as colonist shelters/habitats,.... made by nature long ago on Mars,... silently waiting, and waiting, for someday.....someone.....

  • @Pokemon4WoT
    @Pokemon4WoT Před 5 lety +8

    D&D, nurgle, and a fungi joke? You might as well be playing in my D&D campaign.

  • @darthnihilus511
    @darthnihilus511 Před 5 lety +2

    Thank you so much for these Mr. Arthur! Being the science junkie that I am I've come across a wide array of videos in this genre. I find your contribution to be the most imaginative while being the most realistic. I follow well but have to pause occasionally to absorb some of the math but it is worth it to have a firm grasp of the subject. Very entertaining, please continue for as long as it rewards you!

  • @djbav6112
    @djbav6112 Před 5 lety +3

    Isaac, thanks for doing this!

  • @ColdRFusion
    @ColdRFusion Před 5 lety +3

    In the video game Project Eden you command a team tasked with investigating the hidden depths beneath a futuristic city that had built upon itself many times.

  • @Metal_Enjoyer
    @Metal_Enjoyer Před 5 lety +15

    Wow I’ve never been this early to an Isaac Arthur video

  • @kevincrady2831
    @kevincrady2831 Před 5 lety +4

    0:43 "We aren't breaking new ground here..." Hahaha.

  • @BlackHatMDA
    @BlackHatMDA Před 5 lety +1

    My favorite way to fall asleep is listening to Isaac whispering sciency things in my ear.

  • @Gott1337able
    @Gott1337able Před 5 lety +5

    And might I add I love these videos, keep up the good work sir.

  • @Tigrimitry
    @Tigrimitry Před 5 lety +6

    23:41. Ok, that cracked me up.

  • @MelissaKarlee
    @MelissaKarlee Před 5 lety +3

    >He'd probably be a fungi!
    I see what you did thar Isaac!
    Great video as always, informative, beautifully made, and a video I was hoping you'd make!

  • @MsTranScribr
    @MsTranScribr Před 5 lety +1

    This episode is helping rekindle a story I started to write 3 years ago being that I didn't have a good idea for stabilizing fault lines. Now I do, thanks Issac.

  • @palebluedot7435
    @palebluedot7435 Před 5 lety +16

    What the hell im at work ..... Ok i quit. Now i can watch it

  • @colonelgraff9198
    @colonelgraff9198 Před 5 lety +5

    5:00 Our Precious Bodily Fluids!!!

  • @michaellee6489
    @michaellee6489 Před 2 lety

    I Love this channel! Hyperloop was briefly touched upon...yeah, I watched a video a while back that showed a length of tube Imploding. The violence of it doing so was stunning!!!

  • @RJL738
    @RJL738 Před 5 lety +2

    Thank you for explaining this and making it interesting.

  • @NewCful
    @NewCful Před 5 lety +3

    At the beginning of the video Issac says "We are not braking new ground here", but isn't it what subterranean building is all about ? ;)

  • @mukkaar
    @mukkaar Před 5 lety +19

    I think especially for big cities, moving most traffic underground would be the best way to go. It would definitely make cities more pleasant to be in and it could greatly enhance logistics of city. That cobined with with good design and less urban sprawl, you could achieve quite high functioning cities. And ofc good public transport, individual trasport is huge logistics problem. One bus can easily take tens of cars from road. Trains and metro can take hundreds. That's not a small thing as far as traffic is concerned. It's also a *lot* cheaper when done right.
    I'm personally don't think there's much motivation at all to live underground on earth, but I could see some important infrastructure moved there. I think main motivation to build underground would be to allow more quality living aboveground. And improve logistics. More people walking and biking would also be better for business.

    • @petersmythe6462
      @petersmythe6462 Před 5 lety +2

      Basically, Pyongyang or Moscow metro system good, L.A. traffic bad.

  • @isabella2006
    @isabella2006 Před 5 lety +1

    another incredible, inspiring video, as usual. thanks so much Arthur

  • @Chtulhu_Mustermann
    @Chtulhu_Mustermann Před 5 lety +1

    Oh boy, I waited for this episode all the time, thank you very much, have a good day.

  • @bofud
    @bofud Před 5 lety +4

    There as I'm browsing your channel searching for a video I haven't watched yet, I scroll up and there's a new one! what a nice surprise

  • @lahavmorris9919
    @lahavmorris9919 Před 5 lety +3

    Keep up the good work Isaac

  • @thorpey012
    @thorpey012 Před 5 lety

    Hi Mr Arthur, I've been watching your videos for about 6 months and I wanted to tell you that I love you man! Your scripts are well researched and entertaining as hell, please keep it going man I look forward to your posts.

  • @Blexxor12
    @Blexxor12 Před 5 lety

    I absolutely enjoy your videos. Your levels of knowledge and continuing effort to make ME come up with my OWN answers are absolutely refreshing. I just wanna let you know that i really do appreciate all the work that you do. I'm sure there is sooooooo much research and editing / etc that goes in to these. Thank you again Isaac and i hope you have a terrific day!!!!

  • @TheSupperteen
    @TheSupperteen Před 5 lety +8

    Did I just see a Starship when Isaac was talking about cloud citys?

  • @STM1993
    @STM1993 Před 5 lety +9

    The idea of living in a mushroom forest actually terrifies me, knowing that their spores could get through filters, cause nasty infections or end up unleashing mushroom zombies!

  • @docbrown7916
    @docbrown7916 Před 5 lety +2

    Great vid, I've had a thing for underground for decades, D&D often a decent source for concepts and how energy efficient underground can be, w LEDs and other lighting being figured in.

  • @zell9058
    @zell9058 Před 5 lety +2

    Super satisfying episode!

  • @bigwhombalaboomba4574
    @bigwhombalaboomba4574 Před 5 lety +6

    I like to theorize that if a hypothetical subterranean civilization was a thing, that we would call it, "The Jeff Consortium."

  • @zaanga7340
    @zaanga7340 Před 5 lety +9

    This video got me interested on countries civil defense and almost none of the countries have bunkers for its civilian populations the only 2 would be Switzerland and Israel

    • @massimookissed1023
      @massimookissed1023 Před 5 lety +2

      And Albania.
      They have thousands of them.

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 Před 3 lety +1

      The US briefly promoted people to build fallout shelters during the cold war and many people were provided with small bomb shelters in England during WWII.

    • @crisbrackett2067
      @crisbrackett2067 Před 3 lety

      I thought Russia was doing it too.?

    • @geekgeekrickson260
      @geekgeekrickson260 Před 3 lety

      Except, the Albanian bunkers were built to please a narcissistic dictator.

  • @cheapgear6709
    @cheapgear6709 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for another awesome video

  • @osiris1plus
    @osiris1plus Před 3 lety

    This channel is like a breath of fresh air.

  • @ImmortalDuke
    @ImmortalDuke Před 5 lety +16

    As a cave dweller i approve this video.

  • @simba9825
    @simba9825 Před 5 lety +6

    "... He'd probably be a funguy." 😂

  • @julianbouquet3536
    @julianbouquet3536 Před 5 lety +1

    thx for all this awesome videos

  • @Nyctophora
    @Nyctophora Před 5 lety +1

    I really enjoyed this, thank you!

  • @AlaskanBallistics
    @AlaskanBallistics Před 5 lety +5

    Great topic idea...

  • @scrapsteenlifeintheforks1943

    "Who wouldn't want to talk to a giant mushroom person?... He would probably be a FunGi."
    ~Isaac Arthur

  • @fXBorgmeister
    @fXBorgmeister Před 5 lety

    Notch Andreas's work up a notch in the background! Fantastic as always. This and the Stellaris Soundtrack were meant for one another.

  • @belmiris1371
    @belmiris1371 Před 5 lety +1

    I really dig your channel. Thanks!

  • @FirstRisingSouI
    @FirstRisingSouI Před 5 lety +5

    Never thought I'd see Toad in an IA video.

  • @TAJ1977
    @TAJ1977 Před 5 lety +3

    Einen wundervollen Arthur's Tag Euch allen :-)

  • @jkj420
    @jkj420 Před 5 lety +1

    I completely forgot about the day today! This is the best reminder! Thanks!

  • @user-ko5nt4ym2l
    @user-ko5nt4ym2l Před 4 lety +1

    Keep up the great work!

  • @struanmcphillips5963
    @struanmcphillips5963 Před 5 lety +3

    For anyone who curious Edinburgh has underground streets that were used during the late medieval and early colonial era of Scottish History. The most famous being Marry Kings Close. If you were interested in this video then you will be interested in that.

    • @LennyDeee
      @LennyDeee Před rokem +1

      Crazy to see this, was a tour guide there for 6 years!

  • @francoislacombe9071
    @francoislacombe9071 Před 5 lety +8

    During the video I was thinking of Isaac Asimov's novel, The Caves of Steel.

  • @malekith77
    @malekith77 Před 4 lety

    Truly some of the most fascinating content on the web! They should be hiring you for TV shows, so you can share this with an even wider audience.

  • @bioxbiox
    @bioxbiox Před 5 lety +1

    I think I am in love with this channel.

  • @AKlover
    @AKlover Před 5 lety +10

    It occurs to me SpaceX is going to need pre-fab underground structure components for Mars that have ventilation and a means of distributing power built into them at least for the first few years. Probably shaped charge explosives to expedite digging too. I don't buy for a second that the landing craft is going to pass muster as semi-permanent "Shielded" residence.

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 Před 5 lety +7

      When your cargo capacity is 100t or more and you have many ships, you can transport heavy construction equipment and even small factories. Obviously lightweight versions designed specifically for this would be much better, but SpaceX could literally just use existing heavy machines at a reasonable cost. They just have to be converted to electric, due to the lack of Oxygen on Mars. If only they knew a company that makes electric vehicles ...

    • @massimookissed1023
      @massimookissed1023 Před 5 lety +4

      @@andrasbiro3007 , Elon's brother Kimbal is into hydroponic farming, ~ could be useful.

    • @massimookissed1023
      @massimookissed1023 Před 5 lety +1

      It might be easier to plonk an inflatable hab on the Martian surface and then bury it in dirt.
      ESA have been researching the viability of laser-sintering lunar regolith to add 3D printed structural reinforcment to habitat cover material.

    • @AKlover
      @AKlover Před 5 lety +2

      @@massimookissed1023 even at .38 or .17 g I think I'd want a little more structural rigidity than "inflatable". That could work easily though and it would seem to be the least time-intensive it's just a matter of how much regolith do you have to throw over the top and how deep down do you have to dig then I guess it's how refined does the hole have to be. if I remember correctly Moon regolith is supposed to be very abrasive so making the habitat air tight might be a major problem on the moon if you are using something less solid than metal.

    • @Wordsmiths
      @Wordsmiths Před 4 lety

      The extended fairing for the Falcon Heavy happens to be 12.2m at its widest point... perfect to fit a standard 40' commercial shipping container, either steel or aluminum. And in those containers you don't put cargo, you put modular pre-fab industrial and commercial micro-factories, laboratories, aquaponics/hydroponics, etc. You don't want to ship your entire industrial base from Earth to Mars of course, but it's a good way to get started quickly. Ship the manufacturing capacity to make your own stuff, then you can immediately start to make your own stuff on Mars. Of course, neither steel nor aluminum does a bit of good as radiation shielding- so you bury them. Or lower them into a lava tube "skylight" and haul them away from the rubble pile and into the flat-floored lava tube proper. If they need human tending or operation, you'll need to create a pressurized and climate-controlled volume around them: an inflatable tent-like structure, or seal and pressurize a big section of the lava tube, whatever. Packaging plug-and-play industrial capacity into cargo containers has been around since just after World War 2, and it is gaining favor again: www.theengineer.co.uk/box-of-tricks/

  • @franconnorton7087
    @franconnorton7087 Před 5 lety +6

    You said the issue of metal expanding and contracting under heat is manageable. That we design train tracks with this in mind and we can do the same for things like the hyperloop. But think you are underestimating the problems here. The hyperloop is supposed to be a vacuum tube. It is much harder to keep a it airtight if it is expanding and contracting under the days heat. Railway tracks are open air and therefore a much more manageable problem. I suppose you could make the joints out of a flexible material but then it becomes much weaker, not a good thing in a structure meant to hold a vacuum. This is the main problem with Musks hyperloop. The design has been there for a century, but so has the problem. Maybe Musk has solved it?

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 Před 5 lety +3

      Read the "Hyperlop Alpha" paper. It deals with many of these issues. But it's also outdated, now it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be underground, which solves a lot of problems automatically, including thermal expansion.

    • @franconnorton7087
      @franconnorton7087 Před 5 lety +1

      Then I'm all for it. Don't think I'm against it because of my post. Why would I be? Anything that advances our technology is good. Especially thing that go towards space and vacuum tech. I am watching Issac Arthur afterall :)

  • @jarredeagley1748
    @jarredeagley1748 Před 5 lety +1

    This episode's subject matter is deep.

  • @lotustree1125
    @lotustree1125 Před 5 lety

    Keep up the great work, this channel is phenomenal