He Won 30 Days Ago - Shogun Season 1 Eps 10 Reaction
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Blackthorne never leaves Japan…as indicated by the fact he still had Mariko’s crucifix in the flash forward to him as an old man, it wasn’t possible for him to still have it…as he dropped it into the water when in the boat with Fuji. That was the dream within a dream, he was dreaming of his dream future (back in England, dying surrounded by his family)…he was imagining it whilst unconscious after the explosion.
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I'm still confused lol Oh wait, I get it!!! That could've been his future. A future dreaming of being an old man in bed back home... but since he decided to stay, that won't be his future/reality now.
Yea that's why the last time you see the flash forward is when he makes the decision to kill himself, "we live and we die". He accepts his fate in Japan and quite literally turns away from that future.
@@queencerseilannister3519 The last step for Blackthorne to be fully broken to Toranaga's fist, using the falconry metaphor used throughout, is for him to give up his dreams of returning home. The Dream portion was always Blackthorne, dying of extreme old age, warm in his bed back at home, surrounded by the trophies of a life well lived, with his legacy grandsons in attendance. A very, very, stereotypical wish for your own end.
And each time that we saw that dream, we saw the dream scene end abruptly as John Blackthorne wakes up from severe head trauma. Twice. The last time that we have the flash forward is just before his seppuku attempt for the village. In that moment, in the book, his attempt is quite sincere, and Toranaga has to get help to stop the lethal thrust, such was the ferocity of Blackthorne's commitment to live a meaningful death.
Once Toranaga brings Blackthorne back from the edge of full embrace of the void, Blackthorne finally reconciles himself to his fate, and settles in to his new life in Japan, serving Toranaga. And we see the dream of dying old in England no more. In fact, we see Blackthorne, now fully the Anjin-sama, make his peace with Mariko's death in context of her service to a much greater cause, and his recognition that her death saved tens of thousands of lives.
"What kind of man wields power in a land like this?"
Haven't read the book but did he stay in Japan too?
What really got me choked up was the interaction of Blackthorne and Fuji. Two strangers that eventually had an understanding of one another
In my mind I want to believe Blackthorne and Fuji decided to rebuild their grief-torn lives together but I respect the show didn't portray it.
Watched this several times, and "let your hands be the last to hold her" kills me every time with the call pack to episode 1.
@@hawkthorn33 Especially since it's what Mariko said to Fuji about her baby
It started with John holding Mariko's lifeless body. I don't know how they filmed that, with cgi or a mannequin or merely MORE awesome acting by Anna Sawai, but usually someone handling a corpse on tv or the movies looks more like someone handling a person who's sleep. Mariko seemed so much smaller and more crumpled up from the blast as if most of her bones had been shattered. There was none of the usual stiffness in her limbs and torso. Her whole body seemed to wriggle like a ragdoll. And it took me a minute to realize John was saying final rites over her dead body as best as he could for someone who's only relgious enough to hate Catholics and side with Protestants.
Also when the priest informed him Mariko had made a deal for his John's life with the Church. For the past decade, we often talk about someone's "Ride or die", but Mariko was John's ride even after she died, sparing his life beyond her own. And he had to spend that boat ride with nothing to do to realize he owed his life to Mariko and yet another way he would miss her and he just broke silently sobbing. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Not a dry eye in my house when Fuji and John Blackthorne were in that small boat, paying homage to their loved ones and in a moment where both had evolved to cherish and admire the other. A perfect moment in a perfect ending. Tragic and wonderful Fuji was written to be loved by audiences and Japanese actress Moeka Hoshi was superb in the role. All the Japanese actors were very good. Moeka had us rooting for poor Fuji from the start of the series.
Old John is a dream of a possible future Blackthorne saw while recovering from the bomb blast. He rejected that future when he chose to save the villagers and when he threw Mariko's rosary into the sea (note that in the dream he had her rosary still). So he is going to write a different future, in Japan, in service of the Shogun.
This!
“This show was a little bit more elegant and a little bit more reserved Game of Thrones” yep, spot on. This whole show was breathtaking ❤️
Totally. I've seen comments like "oh what a let down...where's the big battle". Not every show needs a climax of a big fight
It's because even though it's based on a novel, the novel is based on history. Meanwhile, GRRM reduces history to its big events and forgets about what happens in between.
@@BasicBodThorit was incredibly refreshing to see character over action.
Elegant is such a spot-on descriptor for this series. It was truly a feast for the senses.
This episode absolutely broke me. The dream within a dream being Blackthorne back home in England as an old man, the way they handled that with subtlety and nuance, it was so perfect. A true 10/10 finale for a 10/10 show
Oh, so he never goes back to England then that was just his dream?
@@MrFredstt correct. Just like the real guy the story is based around, he lived the rest of his life in Japan
@@jasonmarbach7800 I'm so dumb I didn't even connect the dots! On a rewatch it makes sense now bc as an old man he's still holding Mariko's cross which would be impossible since he threw it in the water
This was an epic piece of television. Unreal performances from the entire cast.
Fuji saying "Let your hands be the last to hold her", goes full circle from Mariko saying the same to Fuji as she held her child before that horrific introduction to suppoku in the 1st episide.
The beauty of that full-circle moment broke me.
A stunning achievement from Hiroyuki Sanada and the hundreds of people involved with this massive production. His Magnum Opus, as a both a producer and actor in this production.
In a sea of mediocre period action dramas, this one was an absolute gem. A pleasure to watch from start to finish.
The fact that he no longer had the crucifix is a big clue that he never left. Old Blackthorne was the "Dream within the Dream"
This show needs all the Emmys
it was a master class in face acting. fuji, toranaga the whole series. and blackthorne in that last episode especially.
I believe "old John" was John's vision of the future. He sees himself as an old man that could never let go of Mariko, suffering the losses of the past. But when him and Fuji committed their lost love ones to the sea, they released themselves from that sad future. John will likely never leave Japan.
Toronaga said as much, that John would never be able to leave Japan.
This show is so unbelievably good.. I wish there was more. Best season of television this year, easily.
Anji and Fuji scene on the boat crushed me what a beautiful scene!
The title is a clue as to whether the cold flash forward opening was real or not. The answer is no it was a dream of Blackthorne's if ever returned to England and lived to an old age. That dream ended when he pledged to commit seppuku to try and saved the villagers. Blackthorne sees himself ore at home in Japan than England by the end of the episode. It ties in with the real-life William Adams who ended up staying in Japan even when given the opportunity to return back to England.
And that smile and nod at Toranaga in the end that's Blackthorne acknowledging that he knew Toranaga was behind the burning of his ship and that he admired the man for playing everyone in the end to reach his goal of becoming Shogun.
I read the Old man Blackthorn as the dream within a dream, that he gives up when he says "We live and we die", and then he throws Mariko's cross in the ocean (which he had in the dream).
The whole show is very poetic, truely dignified and beautiful culture.
25:26 the red flag not to trust the cold open was Blackthorne's grandchildren referring to the Japanese as "savages". That only would have been possible in a reality where John's entire world view hadn't evolved, if he had become the colonizer he'd intended to be, to "use" Toranaga as he put it.
Also Mariko's cross.
Such a tough series. That ending was deep in so many ways. John living but still sad, toranaga becoming the shogun in three days, having to grieve and also let go. Some of the best storytelling with out words ever
Blackthorne dreams of being old back in England, ailing and confined to a bed with nothing but stories to tell as he withers away, and only at that moment, when he has the opportunity to give his life to save Ajiro, does he fully understand Mariko’s perspective for the first time.
“We live, and we die”.
Both deaths are equally pointless, but only one has agency.
This episode and especially the talk with Yabushige show Toranaga wasn’t the “good guy” he was just another side seeking power and the one the audience followed. He kept John just cause he was a fun novelty that would occasionally distract others. He is already to replace his lost son with other kids he has and is still killing villagers just to keep up appearances it’s the Catholic’s fault. He manipulated Mariko’s father and her to do what couldn’t and as Yabushige calls him out that he was no different or nobler than any of the others, he just kept the desire to be Shogun deep down in secret. A few years later he will have Ochiba and her son killed.
Old John Blackthorne felt to me like a dream or wish, a way John would love to see his life ending. Old in a comfy bed in back home in England with grandchildren, after he became a true Samurai with a great suit of armor who fought side by side with Toronaga, still holding onto Mariko (in form of her cross), when he was about to commit seppuku his wish/thought was growling in the back of his head because he wouldn't get to this end when he would actually kill himself (that's why he turned his head to the growling and we got to see old Blackthorne for a second again), not knowing Toronaga wouldn't let him leave anyway.
Old Blackthorne held Mariko's cross but John left it in the lake with Fuji, for me that's the prove that it wasn't the future but just a 'dream'.
"so I sent a woman to do what an army never could" was an insane line, Toronaga is a tactical genius but Mariko is the absolute MVP of the show and Toronaga knows exactly that just her existence as the strongest weapon he had.
What a great show and what a great ending! Having the show ending like that was bold and it paid out beautifully.
The theme throughout was how one changes their fate. John dreamed of going back to England but in the end he decides to stay. He finally “fits in” by understanding what Mariko tried to teach him about death having meaning. Toranaga also contributed to his dream changing by testing him to get to that point. John did live the rest of his life in Japan serving the Shogun. A dream of a dream. Toranaga’s dream came true , because by studying fate, he changed fate. This was such a beautiful story on so many levels. Loved it.
That dream at the beginning, it was only a dream. Blackthorne never makes it back to England.
This finale was perfection. ❤💔
One thing I find interesting about Lord Toronaga is there's one line he never crosses in the show: he never makes anyone who isn't an experienced katana wielder second someone else's seppuku. My headcanon is that he remembers how awful it was when he had to second the rival lord he conquered when he was 12 and he's like "Nope, not letting anyone else go through that shit".
It so lived up to my dream of a dream show after my all time favorite 80s show well done guys for the reactions 😢
I still can’t believe that I had no idea this was a limited series. This was such a beautiful ending.
Him becoming the shogun by playing the best game of chess is amazing such a good show for sure deserves awards
What a show. What great reactions. Thank you guys!
When Torunaga let that bird go and said 'go bear many daughters' it was kinda like him saying goodbye to Mariko who was very useful to him but also symbolic cos she never 'hunted' before until Torunaga invited her to one and she marvelled at the 'steel bird' in a way its like he's releasing her from her duty and is mourning in his own way.
I love the use of poems in this show to reveal a person's inner heart/secret heart. Mariko's words are always lauded as unbeatable and in her poem Ochiba asked her son how he would continue it. The Heir's words show his innocence - he sees the possibilities of fruits and flowers. But Ochiba ocntinues with the Wind. When Toranaga talks with Yabu about commandingthe wind you realise that she's speaking of him and that is when she reveals her secret alliance with him. I guess that the poem Mariko wrote and her continuation was what she wrote to Toranaga and is enough to state her intent of their alliance, given that he spoke the poem Mariko said to him and he wept in his own silent way. Yabu's poem was also simple, short and to the point. He wants to be useful even in death in so far as he can try to fight but if he loses (relevant to John's first words to Toranaga) then he is simply meat for hungry dogs.
In John's seppuku he speaks the words Mariko said in her last breath, showing that he not only learns language fast but also that he has taken her lesson to heart - Life and Death are the same and both can be used as weapons and not useless at all. John can make Toranaga do what he wants but either way, he gets to die and join Mariko in death. He contemplated that future - dying old and alone clutching unto the memories but decided 'fuck it'
In that whole scene, we know later that it was Toranaga who burnt his ship understanding that Mariko bargained for his life. And yet Toranga insisted on punishing the village to test John and his resolve. He claimed he had given up his war when the very reason he is alive is cos his witty response to Toranaga amused him so much he kept him around. And yet he is willing to give up his life for this small petty reason as the village same to how Toranaga found his depression around the gardeners death petty and small - John calls the whole religious war with the Portugeuse 'small' contrasting ep 2 where Toranaga's conflict with the regents seemed small in comparison to this new larger global threat John revealed to them about the Spanish-Portuguese treaty.
In the scene where John and Fuji sat together, you can see the lessons that Kuki the courtesan taught in the WIllow World - the empty space beside John framing him and Fuji as they sit is highlighting that the empty space is an absence that can be seen and felt, t he absence of Mariko in their lives.
I love the scene Omi takes his gun and sword - mirroring the conflict in early episode down to Fuji behind him but this time they're both so broken by their losses and trials there's no other for fighting anymore - which is a mirror to the entire conflict as a whole: to fight without fighting, to win before the war even starts. Toranaga won before they fought at Sekigahara.
Also the poetry of just Yabu almost dying on a cliff to being executed on a cliff. Mariko's words that Fuji used to say 'let your hands be the last to hold her'
The book ends the exact same way as the adaptation. They were true to the major beats of Clavell's work all the way to the end. In the book, Toranaga in the silence of his own mind (which we spend a lot of time inside getting exposition and reactions in the book), reveals only once, at the very, very end, the last couple of paragraphs of the whole novel. That yes, Toranaga believed and has always believed, that he was destined to become Shogun. Even to the point that he admits in the same train of thought that he's really really sorry to his old friend the Taiko, but at the right time the Heir is going to have to die to allow him to ascend to the Shogun title, and Toranaga's quite happy to make that happen.
We did it, everyone. We’re here. Together. At the end.
In the dream Blackthorne was holding Mariko's Cross. When he dropped the cross into the driver. In part it signified him letting go of that dream of returning home. Blackthorne will never return to England.
A dream of a dream applies both to Blackthorne’s dream of returning to England & Toranaga’s dream of being Shogun
Enjoyed this so much. Thanks for the Shogun content boys.
The sequence with old Blackthorne at the beginning was a dream. I believe it was meant to represent his vision of where his current ambitions and path in life were going to take him. That changed in the suicide attempt scene. He was letting go of those ambitions and that future that he was imagining/dreaming about. That is also why he let go of Mariko's cross in the boat. He was moving on and accepting a new path. The episode's title hints at this, as well as Toranaga's vision/dream of the battle where he defeats his enemies that we saw at the end there. Amazing finale.
I heard that the bay they shot the scene between Fuji and Blackthorne in is the same bay (in Sweden or Norway or something like that) where the author of the book, James Clavell, had his ashes spread in the same way. Apparently it’s where their family house is, according to his (the author’s) daughter, who was very emotional about that classy tribute they paid to her father in this incendiary episode. I cried all over again when I heard that.
All principle photography was in and around Vancouver. BC, Canada
@@PeterRishaug Clavell’s daughter, Michaela, is a credited producer on the show and she related the story of that scene on the official podcast for the show. It’s on CZcams I believe, if you wanted to go find it. Principle photography, yes, but apparently this scene was filmed in that particular bay. Which is amazing, I think. The amount of effort put into that beautiful tribute to the author is very special.
Just dug into this a bit since a lot of this was filmed near me. 99.9% sure this Howe Sound in B.C. In the podcast is daughter mentions that it was a beach she grew up playing on. Clavell lived in West Vancouver though the 60’s into the early 70’s. West Van is actually on Howe Sound and this bay and their house would have only been a 45 minute drive apart
良い話だな( ；∀；)
@@bgoldstone apparently yes, it’s in Anjiro, Vancouver. Not sure where I heard Scandinavia. Very weird. In any event, it’s the bay where the author’s ashes were scattered back in 1994 when he died. That’s very cool.
John never leaves Japan. The historical person he's based on, William Adams, lives the rest of his days in Japan. He's buried in Nagasaki. There's several shrines and towns named after him. In England there's even a roundabout. *lol*
Plus he died at 55, before getting a chance to become old.
I appreciate that even in Omi you could see growth over the season. He was legitimately rocked by Nagakado's death and the seeming surrender by Toranaga.
the "dream within a dream" was John's dream of old age in England (he NEVER actually goes back) occurring within Toronaga's governing dream of becoming Shogun...also calling back the Taiko's existential angst at the start of episode 2.
John had Mariko's rosary in his dream, but in reality occurring later, that rosary is given to the sea.
"Let your hands be the last to hold her". Fuji-sama knew.
I think it was John seeing what his future looks like that’s why when turned his head and turned back he said F it and changed his course
old man john moment was a dream he had while he was knocked out during the blast is how i took it. he was holding mariko's necklace laying in the bed. which now we know he doesn't have it.
I loved the full circle hat trick…. “Unless I win.” “Why tell a dead man the future?”
“Let your hands be the last to hold her.”
You two realized and reacted to the last one the most of all reactors.
Buntaro had a hard journey - there's a buddy cop film in the future for him
He lost his wife and father but Fuji lost her grandfather, husband, son and a friend in Mariko.
I hate to see this show end. Minor quibbles... I didn't care for the old Blackthorne dream bit. It was confusing. Also, I'll admit that I hoped we would see more of the battle of Sekigahara. It was a sprawling, legendary battle... even if it was won before it began. It just seems like a few more snippets of the action could have played while we heard Toranaga monologue to Yabushige (which was an excellent scene, regardless). I've always loved the book & have been mourning Mariko since I first read it forty years ago. I adored the scene between Blackthorne & Fuji in the boat. Beautifully done. Bittersweet & lovely. I knew I could count on you guys to get it and enjoyed crying with you. Thanks for the excellent reaction!
The good place, lock it in! |
This show, best compliment I can give in this day of streaming, DVR and on demand. I was counting the minuets until it aired.
It is kinda sad that the math works out to only 13 Emmey available, as there is only one award for supporting actor or actress.
I interpreted the old version of him as his future that he always imagined him having and him looking at it before trying to stab himself was him deciding it was worth his life/future to save the village/people of the village.
There was a battle a month later! 1000s were killed! Toranaga became shogun! His dynasty brought 250 years of peace! In the novel Fuji dies but in the original mini series Fuji changed her mind and stayed with John they fell in love and lived happily! The ending I like!
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THE CROSS! Mariko's cross is the sign that it was not a flash forward but just a dream, both happening when John had a near death experience: a) when he was knocked unconscious by the bomb that killed Mariko (who was in one piece on the OUTSIDE but the way John held her lifeless body, it was clear she was broken up into multiple pieces on the inside) and b) when he decided to commit seppuku to protest the Ajiro village treatment.
In the dream of the future, John returned to England WITH Mariko's cross BUT at the end we saw him drop the very cross into the waters by Ajiro.
That was the dream mirrored by Toronaga's vision of the future battle and his dream of Japan finally being a land of peace instead of constant wars.
There's also the history upon which the fiction is based but the mini-series deviates from both the history, the 1980s mini-series and even the book itself. So you can't rely on that.
You guys are so funny. I've really enjoyed this show but I never could have come this far without you guys. I wanna say BIG thanks to you including all viewers. I'm gonna miss this show and you guys!😢
Yeah the framing device was a tad confusing. The creators cleared it up here
JM: Yeah, no, we invented it. So if you don't like it, it's all our fault. We had this faint idea that we wanted to start with a moment where it was about an old man looking back on his life. We've seen this structure before for finales. Instead, you get to later realize it was actually the projection of a young man looking forward onto a version of his life that he no longer wanted. Blackthorne, in this moment of seppuku, is deciding to kill that self, that possible self. He then follows through on it when he drops his cross into the water-which makes it so that future is not possible, because he had the cross in that scene.
We really love the idea that he's staring into that abyss of himself-the version of himself he would have become had Episode 1 Blackthorne just aged. It would have been someone who lives in a grand house: here are my heirs, they're doing all these things, but I'm empty. To quote Mariko in Episode 5, 'I am not free of myself and never have been.' This is the final liberation he achieved. We really love that motif coming through. It was key for us to put the readers of the book on their heels from the very beginning of the final episode, and to get them to think, 'Okay, well, this is new. Where are they going with it?'
2024 has been incredible when it's come to TV
One of the other things that circle back is when Omi asks John for his sword and pistol. Back in episode four he shouts a demand, and John points his pistols at him and says we ask leading to Fuji's taking them and pointing them at Omi. Here in the final episode Omi quietly asks for them and John hands them over without a second thought. A small thing but shows how both have grown over time.
ここ最近疲れた時は、9話の最後のリアクションを観て元気をもらってます、本当にありがとうございます。
一緒に泣くため用
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I hope you noticed by now that the Crimson sky occurred on the 9th episode. Mariko was the Crimson sky.
Love your work guys. I can't take credit for this, because it took watching a breakdown by somebody else for me to realize it, but the old man sequence back in England was a dream. The episode title gives it away, a dream inside a dream. Also ,you'll notice in the old man sequence he is holding the cross that should be at the bottom of the ocean, so if it wasn't a dream he couldn't have it
This really has been a phenomenal piece of storytelling 😊
Guys, he has the crucifix in the beginning but he drops it into the water with Mariko. That’s the dream within a dream.
Old John on his deathbed was a fever dream while he was unconcious. A future which never came true, as he never left Japan.
Toranaga manipulated everyone from the start💯💯💯
Just remember, that author has some gold to build from: Tai-Pan ,Gai-jin, King Rat, Noble House
Been fun to follow along recognize landmarks. The bay they used for John’s ship and Yabu’s village is 10 minutes down the road from me. Last of Us S2 has been filming there lately
They missed reviewing this critical line: "Why should I tell a dead man the future?" This was Yabu's quote to Omi in the first episode. Toranaga is answering Yabu's question. His third heart (hidden goal) is to become Shogun. It has always been that. Omi was one of a legion of people giving information to Toranaga from the very beginning. It has always been part of the plan. Yabu smiles and looks at Toranaga right at the end after starting seppukku and finally understands it all (true last minute of clarity), Toranaga answers with a smile and finishes the act.
Yabushige's fate was already written as a dead man walking in the first episode when he said to Omi, "Why tell a deadman the future", while Toranaga was in Osaka. Toranaga as the chess master that he is kept Yabushige alive as a pawn until Mariko fulfilled what she was meant to do. Toranaga then told Yabushige in Ajiro before he cut his head off, "Why tell a deadman the future."
Love the fact that Toranaga won the war without ever having to truly land a single blow.
Very proud of you guys for not being afraid to show your tears. It's brave. Every single episode my family and me had tears in our eyes. From the frickin episode of the gardener all the way to Mariko-sama... such a beautiful and genius show. 100% gonna read the books.
Wait... you're definitely right, Episode 9 was definitely Crimson Sky, the episode was even titled that, and in the shogun they didn't say that it WASN'T Crimson Sky... you guys definitely called it before the entire internet :D
Hail hydra
John had the DREAM OF A DREAM… 🫡🤘🏾
Cher Mr.Jay-SAN ＆ Cher Mr.Adam- SAN, I would be so happy if you guys could understand how Japanese spirituality is portrayed through the drama.I just hope that it was a good opportunity for you guys to get to know it.The tears you shed were truly beautiful.I'm so honored to see them.
And please remember the Japanese proverb: The eyes speak as much as the mouth.
with all my respect , sir 🌷🌿🌺🪷🌸🏵🪻🍀from🇯🇵🗾🏯
ジェイさん、アダムさん、大好き❤🎉😊
More like Crimson Cry, am I right?
Amazing how most viewers thought Crimson Sky was going to occur in the last episode when the title of episode 9 was “Crimson Sky”. 😅🧐
The boys give the best reactions when they are tired and running on fumes. Let the loopy jokes begin. 😂
Literal ' Dream of a Dream'. Old John was holding Marikosan's rosary which he actually threw into the ocean .
Toranaga was based off the actual Shogun named Tokugawa who was regarded as the greatest Shogun in Japanese history.
Because they had to film this in Canada instead of Japan they were able to pour those ashes into the same location where James Clavell's ashes were strewn.
Toranaga's secret heart was subtly revealed between Yabushige and Toranaga when they smiled at each other.
He wanted to be the Shogun.
This show is fantastic! I love that even though we're kind of on Toranaga's "side", he's still not a good guy. He's a hypocrite. Everyone is so layered. Astounding work.
It’s the slow Crimson Sky that you never see coming
“I’m not saying I’m the falconer” “WELL IM GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY”
Never seen anyone laughing their ass off after witnessing Mariko's death 😭
Toranaga fooled everyone…including the audience
Anna Sawai (Mariko) is also in Monarch: Legacy of Monsters. Her performance in Shögun is much more impressive than in LoM but the other cast makes up for it. PLEASE REACT TO MONARCH PLEASE 🙏
こちら方々の書き込みを見ると
〝夢の中の夢〟
しかし、表題は〝夢のまた夢〟であるので
〝夢はまた新たな夢で更新される〟という事ですね。
ところで、虎永が鷹を解放する時に
〝娘を多く産めよ〟と鷹に語りかけるシーンは
女性が平和の象徴だと比喩しているのでしょう
blackthorne as a old man was symbolic representation of his old life or better stated the death of the old him and him deciding to give his life for a village that isn't his "home" is him accepting his new life or what he thought would be his death... many times he said this is not how he dies... he wont die on this wretched land. but now he was willing to give his life for the same land that he was trying to escape .. very poetic
When Taronaga said "Why tell dead man a future". Yabushige think for a few second then smile. Realise that Tarogana have spy close to him since beginning (Yabushige said that exact line to Omi in early episode) and kind of happy that he's part of his lord big plan. Yabushige always ask to be include in his lord plan not knowing that he already in it.
Guys, as a skydiver, the human body is an amazing skin balloon to not break apart. You had mentioned that the skin held together, thought you'd appreciate to know. Yes, difficult to understand as so much is episode with various lessons throughout, but sure you've got much of it. 🙂
Great mini-series. Definitely doesn't need season 2.
Great reaction to an outstanding series, thank you!
Amazing ending!
Blackthrone and Fuji scene in the boat 💔😭 was beautiful and the highlight of the episode for me
The conversation between Toranaga and Yabushige didn't happen in the book. There it was all internal dialogue, which I think would have been a clumsy transition when applied on screen. Instead switching it to a conversation between them during seppuku allowed it to have a more natural feel. Blackthorne never leaves Japan, which you can tell by the scene with Fuji. The flash forwards were a dream of a possible future.
Overall the show was excellent and very true to the book. Any changes were for the better in terms of doing a book to screen transition.
Me too, me too. The scenes with Fuji just broke me. (The one with the two of them sitting on the engawa/veranda looking into the garden, then John turns to look where Mariko would have sat, followed by a simple "No translator", and the subtle facial acting on Fuji... wahh, that just broke me).
Whilst the burial at sea scene also broke, I kind of feel the "engawa/veranda" scene was more powerful.
This show was honestly an achievement in my eyes. In these ADHD times the showrunners proved people actually crave shows like these where characters have deep conversations and the action is secondary to the story. You're confronted with brutal aspects of different cultures but toward the end begin to understand why they are that way, just like Blackthorne at the end fully embracing the culture.. Instead of trying to make things relevant to today or not possibly offend, or end up becoming a parody/cartoon of the source material in order to entertain lowest common denominator of people, only to be forgotten not long after... every single episode made me shed a tear, at least one very heartbreaking thing happened, but at the end you see the bigger picture and finally we are all caught up with Toranaga's vision. I've never read a James Clavell novel but I think this guy might be one of my favorite authors ever. I loved it even more than Game of Thrones and Last Kingdom. Wish Dune got this treatment (10 episode tv series that sticks to the book).
I'll miss the show so much. Beautiful ost and story and acting omg
Loved your appreciation for secret inside pockets
When they showed him as a old man in beginning i knew he wouldn't kill himself then he toss crucifix in water i realized that was a dream he wanted
Technically correct! Well done guys!!
If you guys are going to be doing more dramas like this, May I Suggest FX's original series The Bear if you haven't watched it. Fantastic Show!
See, you say it as a joke, but if Jeopardy has taught us anything…Its that Slop Goblins would devour a “How Its Made-with Jay & Adam”.
I was going to say the exact same thing!