Yes, and I think Henry had always been much more fatherly towards Mary. Even though he was cruel to her at times in his treatment of her and also keeping her from her mother, I think he knew she was his rightful heir. I think he kept his distance from Elizabeth because he really did believe Anne cheated on him. Just my opinion.
Note Elizabeth's total lack of emotion, the fact that she does not call him "father", and her total business-like composure. She does not love him, and rightfully so.
hothotheat3000 . No she saw poor Katherine Howard who she loved like a sister, dragged off screaming and begging for her life . It devastated young Elizabeth . She never forgave her father as it says in history ..
@@LifeInPink999 She loved Dudley, though. He sold part of his lands to help her when Mary was Queen and Elizabeth was a no one. Elizabeth never stop loving him, she simply knew the rules to stay alive. Mary of Scotland married for love and was deposed. Elizabeth ruled with her head, and had to give up the man that she loved.
@Hannah Dyson Err.. much do you know about "true love" to refuse Elizabeth it. I have studied Elizabeth and I don't see a reason to doubt that she loved Dudley. Both Mary and Elizabeth had people whom they loved and who in turn loved them.
It was speculated because they wanted to destroy Anne Boleyn's reputation and turn Elizabeth into a bastard. She looked like him and had all the York genes from his mother too.
TakeMetoWOnderland Elizabeth had the classic looks of a Tudor: she had the red hair, fair skin, piercing blue eyes, she was also tall like her father who stood at 6 foot, I think i read somewhere Elizabeth was around 5'9'' 5'11, and back then there was no DNA of any kind that didn't come until 500 years later.
Wiccan Priestess I just read in couple places her height was estimated only at 5 feet 3"...I was pretty sure she was little like Anne, but her face was all Henry VIII
Ordinaris P Earlier in that same episode the ghost of Ann Boleyn got after him for neglecting Elizabeth pretty much her whole life. In that conversation he admitted that he never showed her just how much he loved her.
The way Elizabeth treats Henry quite interesting. She s fully aware of the fact that her father passed the execution order for her mother and she hide her hate for him quite well. In the scene, she doesn't shed a tear and later she just walks away with her face holding no care for Henry. I think that Henry feels really bad and feels extremely uncomfortable around Elizabeth because she reminds him too much of Anne.
She definitely seems to be less emotionally attached than mary. Like you say, she is probably aware of what happened to her mother and in the show (and possibly in real life), decided not to marry based off of what Henry decided to do to katherine howard (though more understandable than with anne, still tragic). I think elizabeth is something of a feminist. She doesn't understand the preference for boys when both her and other women are capable of being both strong and clever, and she disapproves of her father's treatment of women. Coupled with that, she hasn't had the same time with both him and her mother that mary has had with him and her mother. Elizabeth probably does love him somewhere in there but has no illusions as to the sort of person he can be.
The first memories Elizabeth will have had of Henry will be taking away all her stuff to pay for her mother being in prison before she was killed. By the time she had some cognitive awareness he had become a tyrant to be feared and she rarely saw him growing up. Mary knew him as a loving and doting father for the first years of her life. He made her Princess of Wales and gave her a court at Ludlow. She also spent more time at court when she was older.
According to history, Elizabeth's disdain for her father came not only for Anne Boleyn's execution, but Katherine Howard's. She was actually there when Katherine begged Henry for her life, only to be turned away. I think it was then that she saw his true colours because she never forgave him after that.
@@elinavinod1544 I think she was really crying but mostly because she knows the dangerous situation she is in if her father dies as her political enemies may conspire to get rid of her.
All he could say to Elizabeth was while she was young she could still look after her brother. That's all he cared about was his son. Nothing about her. No wonder she was upset.
And lets not forget his first son. He was a bastard but when Henry had the chance he didn't marry to boys mother. Instead the boy gains title and house, his mother out ranked. He married at 14 and died at 17, no heirs. I believe Mary was 3 or 4 at the time he was born.
He was already long dead by this point so needless to say he'd already become well irrelevant by this point in time. Supposedly it was rumored that there was plans to make him king had Henry been unable to remarry/have a legitimate male heir. Of course though this never occurred.
@Smiles and the Twisted MD That's true she had several "kept" men who she provided with land and trade rights and it's unlikely she would have lavished so much money and luxury onto them if they were not her lovers. The main one was Robert Dudley, Earl of Essex, and then after he died she went for his stepson Robert Devereux... kind of weird but obviously, he could be bought. It went to his head though and he may have supported a coup against her and he .... well he ended up having his head taken off his shoulders. He didn't really accept his role as royal boy-toy as his stepfather had before him so it didn't work out very well for him. The Virgin Queen thing was mainly to create a Goddess-like image of Queen Elizabeth because the church hated women and many people did not believe a Queen could rule ... even though she ushered in a Golden Age for England! But who was one woman the church did not hate? The Virgin Mary! So she had to emulate a woman her society accepted in order to avoid having her power questioned at every single turn. It was a very clever way for her to market herself to the people and for the most part, it worked! She was known to many as "Gloriana". There were probably more men too, she had crazy amounts of money and power and she could pretty much have whoever she wanted. If she wanted your husband, too bad. He'd probably go very willingly and you'd be crying about it in a more luxurious wardrobe and home!
@@KaylaNoelle1 Why is it 'unlikely' she would give these men land and position unless they were her lovers? Being her lover would have put Elizabeth's reputation at risk and certainly not deserved a reward - getting to be with the queen of England would surely be a reward in itself! It makes far more sense for her to reward these courtiers for being faithful servants who did important jobs for her, helped her rule a VERY fragile kingdom, and loyally stood by her when others wanted her usurped or assassinated. There's nothing odd in a ruler rewarding loyal subjects they don't sleep with. She certainly could not have had that many affairs without it coming to light.
I also love the compared reactions of Elizabeth and Mary to Henry's farewell. Mary weeps, while Elizabeth remains solemn. Neither is the 'wrong' reaction. Mary I think did have more of an emotional attachment to him, given that she spent her early childhood as the child of two doting parents. Mary knew how wonderful having Henry's love could be. Elizabeth's time having Henry's unconditional love was much shorter, and it shows here. While Anne lived, we see Elizabeth run fearlessly into her father's arms without a care for protocol, but after Anne was executed, Elizabeth understood enough to know that her circumstances had drastically changed, as had her father's feelings for her. As we see later in the show, there is a measure of care between them, perhaps even love, but also extreme wariness. Henry saw a great deal of Anne in Elizabeth, and Elizabeth never forgot what Henry did to her mother. She loved him, yes, but she had no illusions as to his character, and she made sure to always observe the proprieties around him, according him the respect he was due as a the King. She didn't dare to try and think of him as her father first and king second, as Mary very often did.
Mary: "Father" Catherine: cries Elizabeth: no emotions "Your majesty" And then, when he leaves the room, the three of them holds hands. But Elizabeth just wait for him to go away to leave as well, showing that she didn't love him like the other women
The actress who was chosen to play Lady Elizabeth Tudor here in the Tudors was actually made perfectly the same with the real Anne Boleyn's daughter. And as also as Lady Mary, Catherine's daughter. I wish they had been putting the scenes of the realms of Edward, Mary as the Catholic Queen and Elizabeth, the saviour of the golden age.
I think Elizabeth I wasn't bastard, shes still a legitimate child of Henry VIII and his wife, just like Mary and Edward. Henry VIII had a few bastards, but I forgot their name hmm.
There's no way Henry thought Elizabeth was a bastard. The fact (historically) he almost certainly knew the charges against Anne were made-up, of his three children Elizabeth was agreed to be the one who resembled Henry the most. In the show, Henry is more in denial than anything else. Each time she displays a trait Anne once had, he fails to see that he also is the same sort of person, and uses the 'Anne-ness' as an excuse to ignore her. I feel this scene captures his realisation of the mistake he made with Elizabeth. The same mistake his own father made with him. He knows he has no right to ask anything of Elizabeth and that, through his own negligence, he's taught her to be self-sufficient. He knows she will be OK.
@@cardwitch91 He deliberately had her legally declared a bastard, though. He may have known, deep down, he was wronging his daughter, but he certainly didn't care at the time. Possibly his agreeing to restore her to the succession can be seen as his acknowledgment that he no longer considered her a bastard, though.
oh apparently the whole country mourned. The monarch was seen as the voice of God in those days. Most people were uneducated and didn't know any better- plus there wasn't as much knowledge around about how the world works. Monarchy was like a cult
Mary's reaction is quite sad because all she wanted was her father's respect and love, and he ignored her for most of her life and kept her from her mother.
I love Elizabeth's level-gazing calm. Good casting for the teenage future queen of England. Poor Katherine Parr, on the other hand, still looks afraid he might have her dragged off.
I love the way Elizabeth looks at Henry, like she has nothing but contempt for him after what he did to her mother and stepmother but is still willing to keep her composure in her last goodbye, though she drops it immediately as soon as he's gone.
quote: hothotheat30005 years ago Note Elizabeth's total lack of emotion, the fact that she does not call him "father", and her total business-like composure. She does not love him, and rightfully so. I like the way you think.
Shawnee Skywalker I love the look on his face as if to say: “I empathise with your pain, but you’re doing well to keep a hold of your composure and maintain good cheer. You will do well in life.”
Wanna know something interesting? He was meant to have a big toumb like his fathers one in Westminster Abbey you can see to this day, at Georges Chapel Windsor...but none of his kids finished it. Elizabeth had the money and a 40+ year reign...neer finished it. Then in the 1700s they looked into the vault to bury one of Queen Annes children and the roof had caved in and collapsed over his casket with rubble, nobody fixed it or moved it, just left it like that. Just what the selfish bloated tyrant deserved.
@@ryancarroll4852 It's been recorded that the day before Henry was due to be buried his 28 stone corpse exploded in his casket, so i take it you have watched the King Henry documentary that explains that very thing, the tomb holds a famous British General Lord Nelson who's buried in St. Paul's Cathedral..Lord Nelson's tomb was supposed to hold the body of Henry VIII, instead all Henry got was a floor slab at St. George's Chapel.
I think she did love him on some level; he’s her father. However I feel that Elizabeth knew what Henry was capable of: his violent mood swings, his cruelty, his mind games and mental abuse of his wives and daughters (locking Catherine Howard up in the nunnery for months with no news of her sentence (which the show glosses over) and the way he manipulated Mary and made sure she was aware that he had been advised to kill her (what parent does that??). She’s built a wall between herself and Henry, protecting herself from him and those in his court who would manipulate her. She does not allow him close, nor does she reveal her true emotion for him to prey on. I’m really glad the show touched on that.
@@krishall3811 Well, the show itself was not historically accurate..for example: There's no recorded proof that George Boleyn was ever bisexual, much less gay, there's no account of that, another thing i found out through the show is Anne's sister Mary Boleyn, another thing from the show is Mary's husband, William Carey who was depicted as a soldier in the King's army, but according to other historical points, he's depicted as a wealthy and influential courier, so it's hard to believe what's what, because the show in its entirety was historically inaccurate.
0:46 If only he knew then that he was looking at the most recognized and remembered Tudor Queen, the very same child whose mother he murdered and whom he abandoned and thought so little of. Elizabeth truly was Anne's greatest achievement and revenge.
In reality, Elizabeth loved her father dearly and was extremely proud of him. Also, when the news of his death was brought to her and Edward (they were told at the same time) the two fell into each other’s arms and wept uncontrollably
Sarah Na I want to say Elizabeth loved her mother more but she kinda reseated her father for locking her in a tower and when she was realised letting Kathryn Parr ebouse her
Maybe Elizabeth loved her father in her earlier life, but I'm sure she began resenting him after her mother died and she was branded a 'bastard' hardly seeing her father anymore. Henry put Edward above her and Mary, and he didn't hide that. Elizabeth didn't want to marry because of what she experienced with her own parents...I don't see exactly see that as 'loving' her dad.
@@IBeMelissa no. Henry executed Anne when Elizabeth was 2 or 3. Her actual feelings over her mothers fate is not known. She grew up in a time were the king was right. If Anne was executed then in their mind God and the king willed it. She likely believed Anne was unfaithful but she believed Henry was her father. She treated her mothers family very well when she was queen (her cousins by mary). It seemed she didnt resent him, or so she made it seem. She would have been brainwashed to revere him. When she became queen and was a grown woman, long after Henry died, then she likely really thought of her mothers unjust faith more and her fathers stupidity.
@@jamiemohan2049 It was reported that she definitely witnessed poor Katherine Howard being dragged and screaming. That was one chord she had against her father.
Leah Gibbon5 years ago I think that it is so telling of the women Elizabeth would be come that she didn't dissolve into tears the way Marry did. She was strong strong enough to rule the country she loved. I totally agree. That part was great.
Shawnee Skywalker Mary at least had a happy childhood and got a taste of her father's love until Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth didn't. She was held a princess for a couple years and lived in obscurity as a bastard until Henry's last years, not to mention while Henry pushed Katherine of Aragon aside he ordered Anne to be killed. It wasn't that she was "strong", not to mention she was known to be very explosive. She wasn't this emotionless ice queen that most people imagine. It's fairly simple. Mary loved him above everything because he was her father, Elizabeth grew very detached from him, as he never showed any affection. At all. Even here, he reaches out to comfort Mary, the way he looks at her kindly, but only turns to Elizabeth out of courtesy of the sort.
this isn t true he always treated Mary and Elizabeth like trash, when he was he didn t want to believe that it was he s end. Henry was so powerful that he thought he could control lives. All what Henry cared about was his power and his son.
LOL his voice is so funny! I mean he is just too young to look old! And I noticed that he is so kind to Catherine Parr,especially in this scene. Sad that he wasnt so kind with Anne Boleyn too...
Raven Feathers I think he may have felt some remorse towards Anne on his last days, that's why he tried to do the best with Katrine before he died. To relieve his guilt.
I love how this show depicts Elizabeth. She's less emotional than everyone else because of her upbringing, and very mature for her age, as opposed to Reign, where they depict her as a whiny brat with daddy issues.
She looks very much like a queen. Mary too. I think that might have been deliberate on the part of the creators. They may will be hinting on who the ladies will become.
I cried. Mary needed yer father so much and still loved him after how cruel he was. She was her daddy’s little girl. She knew nothing of the real world and was fragile. She never had a fair life and was afraid to face the world. I can’t help but feel awful for her
This shows how Elizabeth saw her father, she hated him for what he did her mother. And I wanted to smack him for his last words was to have his daughters care for his son versus I will miss and love you for eternity. I love you both.
There is much more to the Tudor dynasty than Henry VIII. I think that if you continue the series through the reigns of Edward, Mary, and Elizabeth you could make a ton of money and have loyal and dedicated fans of Showtime. I was saddened as I watch the finale last night and wonder if more could be told. The reigns of Mary and Edward haven't been dramatize and I think that this would be the most opportune time to do so. We have this petition to keep the show going. Please agree to it.
Truly a command performance that I do not believe could have been performed better by anyone else. I hope that he will be recognized by all as the great actor that he is.
@hothotheat3000 Actually she did love her father. She shrewdly kept her distant because she knew what Henry VIII was capable of. Elizabeth heard about her mother's downfall and made sure she did not act like her mother. Elizabeth knew that triggered Henry's negativity!!! At the end of the series, when Natalie plays Anne's ghost, she mentions how well Elizabeth was intemperant.
I think Henry's way of viewing Elizabeth changed over the years and in this scene it is nicely portraited. He nodds his head to his daughter, saying her name. In his way that is his acknowledgement, his aproval of Elizabeth's behaviour in that moment. Just moment before he sees how Mary breaks up in tears, and is sad about that. Because she is not as strong as he would wish her to be at that situation. She is over thirty years old and still unable to feel strong without him, even though it must have been obvious his time was nearing. But Elizabeth is different, she is strong and composed. He asks her to look after her brother, despite her age and she responds in very grown up way-Yes, Your Majesty. I promise.- I think she says Your Majesty instead of father, because she knows he is King before father and to show him she treats it as royal command and that it is a promise she will never break. It is last thing he asks from her and she will do her best to fallow it. Then he fallows with ,Bless you child.' And I think it shows he actually sees that of all of his children, Elizabeth is most ready to let him go, most realistic and blessed on her own. Traits that every monarch wants to see in his child.
i still think this show should have been called Henry VIII since it only focuses on his life... the Tudor dynasty continued with Elizabeth since she never married. its a shame showtime chose to end this show... its a good one that i watched religiously..
@GryffindorGurl wonder if she even knew her own mother because Mary and Kat are breaking down into tears and Elizabeth is just "like what ever you killed my mother and she was innocent"
I loved this program ,,although its a shame Johnathon didnt redden his hair . After all the actress playing Elizabeth has the feiry red hair as the real life Elizabeth and Henry did . Henry the eighth never had dark brown hair .
The thing that I love about 1:27 is the fact this was seemingly very selfless of Henry. Uncharacteristically even. He's usually one to throw you a bone and ask how good it tastes "does it please you, your Grace?" when promoting people and "do you like them?" when giving gifts to women. He likes praise and to watch his generosity unfold. But with Kate he knows this is something he will never see happen, but he does it for her anyway. You can see her emotion - she realises he is capable of doing something so genuine for her. Which he probably knew he owed her after sending Thomas Seymour away and basically forcing her into accepting him! He doesn't ask if she's grateful, he just kisses her hand.
From what I have read, Henry's requests re: Katherine were partially disregarded. The Duchess of Somerset (Edward's aunt) pestered her husband till he ordered that Katherine surrender the Queen's jewels.
I want to get the dvd of season 4 and listen to the director's comentary regarding the look Elizabeth gave before walking away at the end of that scene. I'm sure it was symbolic of something, I just don't know what.
Mary remembers a time where King Henry loved her and her alone when Elizabeth probably doesn’t. That is probably one of the reasons Mary was crying when Elizabeth wasn’t.
I think that it is so telling of the women Elizabeth would be come that she didn't dissolve into tears the way Marry did. She was strong strong enough to rule the country she loved.
@BSGT1293 he does see her a lot in Elizabeth cause in the finale dream sequence henry says "but from time t time she reminds me of you and what you did to me
It’s just sad to see that at this point Elizabeth is supposed to be around 12-13 and when she’s not showing any emotion to this event, you know he f*cked up
If Anne had given birth to a son after Elizabeth, Anne most likely would never have been executed. But a Tudor boy had a hard time living past his teens. Elizabeth may have still become queen, but with a different set of experiences and Henry and Anne may have married her off to someone. Who knows how all of that would've worked out.
I started to tear up when i saw this. I think that i will cry during the last episode. I can't believe that it is almost over ONE MORE EPISODE! I can't wait for the dream sequences.
@FantasmaLuna it barely touched Mary's reign..it was centered on Elizabeth and her accession....there was more to Mary's reign..much more..then was shown in the movie Elizabeth.
Completely out of history. That last wife of his in fact was his nurse more than anything else. And the bad smell of his rotten leg was the cause of many head rolls for anyone who hurt him.
@renesmee23cullen barely is my assumption. She was only abour maybe 3 or 4 when Anne was killed, so her memories are probably there but shawdowy. However, being as intelligent as Elizabeth was Im sure she knew of the situation :)
Love how Mary says "Father: and Elizabeth says "your majesty". Really shows their relationship
Yeah I was thinking about that too!Like damn!Elizabeth really concealed her true intentions and feelings well!
Yes Elizabeth knew how to flatter. Henry was a King first.
@@ingriddubbel8468 Yes, he was a king first but i think its implying towards how Elizabeth really feels about henry.
Yes, and I think Henry had always been much more fatherly towards Mary. Even though he was cruel to her at times in his treatment of her and also keeping her from her mother, I think he knew she was his rightful heir. I think he kept his distance from Elizabeth because he really did believe Anne cheated on him. Just my opinion.
@@susannestein3955 I think it was more because she reminded him too much of Anne.
Note Elizabeth's total lack of emotion, the fact that she does not call him "father", and her total business-like composure. She does not love him, and rightfully so.
hothotheat3000 true
hothotheat3000 . No she saw poor Katherine Howard who she loved like a sister, dragged off screaming and begging for her life . It devastated young Elizabeth . She never forgave her father as it says in history ..
@@LifeInPink999 She loved Dudley, though. He sold part of his lands to help her when Mary was Queen and Elizabeth was a no one. Elizabeth never stop loving him, she simply knew the rules to stay alive. Mary of Scotland married for love and was deposed. Elizabeth ruled with her head, and had to give up the man that she loved.
@Hannah Dyson Err.. much do you know about "true love" to refuse Elizabeth it. I have studied Elizabeth and I don't see a reason to doubt that she loved Dudley. Both Mary and Elizabeth had people whom they loved and who in turn loved them.
@@LifeInPink999 Your comment tells me how little you know about Elizabeth.
I really like the actress they chose for Elizabeth. She's like the perfect combination of Jonathan's Henry and Natalie's Anne.
The funniest part is that is was speculated that Elizabeth wasn't even Henry's daugther, BUT SHE LOOKED THE MOST LIKE HIM OF ALL HIS CHILDREN. xD
It was speculated because they wanted to destroy Anne Boleyn's reputation and turn Elizabeth into a bastard. She looked like him and had all the York genes from his mother too.
TheLine Actually she had henry viii's face, but Anne Boleyn's tiny frame...at least that's what I read 😊
TakeMetoWOnderland Elizabeth had the classic looks of a Tudor: she had the red hair, fair skin, piercing blue eyes, she was also tall like her father who stood at 6 foot, I think i read somewhere Elizabeth was around 5'9'' 5'11, and back then there was no DNA of any kind that didn't come until 500 years later.
Wiccan Priestess With her Dad's face, no one could try arguing she wasn't his lol
Wiccan Priestess I just read in couple places her height was estimated only at 5 feet 3"...I was pretty sure she was little like Anne, but her face was all Henry VIII
His last words to his daughter, Elizabeth:
- "Look after your brother" ...
Oh for god's sake. Elizabeth was totally right to not cry.
Ikr
Ordinaris P Earlier in that same episode the ghost of Ann Boleyn got after him for neglecting Elizabeth pretty much her whole life. In that conversation he admitted that he never showed her just how much he loved her.
Ahyuj meena yes Elizabeth must be still angry at Henry cause she killed her mother
Henry said, “bless u my child.”
Common sense : her brother is too young and being a heir , a million enemies .
The way Elizabeth treats Henry quite interesting. She s fully aware of the fact that her father passed the execution order for her mother and she hide her hate for him quite well. In the scene, she doesn't shed a tear and later she just walks away with her face holding no care for Henry. I think that Henry feels really bad and feels extremely uncomfortable around Elizabeth because she reminds him too much of Anne.
She definitely seems to be less emotionally attached than mary. Like you say, she is probably aware of what happened to her mother and in the show (and possibly in real life), decided not to marry based off of what Henry decided to do to katherine howard (though more understandable than with anne, still tragic). I think elizabeth is something of a feminist. She doesn't understand the preference for boys when both her and other women are capable of being both strong and clever, and she disapproves of her father's treatment of women. Coupled with that, she hasn't had the same time with both him and her mother that mary has had with him and her mother. Elizabeth probably does love him somewhere in there but has no illusions as to the sort of person he can be.
The first memories Elizabeth will have had of Henry will be taking away all her stuff to pay for her mother being in prison before she was killed. By the time she had some cognitive awareness he had become a tyrant to be feared and she rarely saw him growing up. Mary knew him as a loving and doting father for the first years of her life. He made her Princess of Wales and gave her a court at Ludlow. She also spent more time at court when she was older.
@@MsJubjubbird No, he never made her princess of Wales.
According to history, Elizabeth's disdain for her father came not only for Anne Boleyn's execution, but Katherine Howard's. She was actually there when Katherine begged Henry for her life, only to be turned away. I think it was then that she saw his true colours because she never forgave him after that.
Elizabeth wasn’t even crying she was just like bye you still alive
The whole time Mary was crying her eyeballs out, the soundtrack for Six was just playing in Elizabeth's head.
Mary would be fake crying
@@elinavinod1544 tru
BAHAHAHHA LMFAOOO- i’m glad i’m not the only SIX fan watching this show💀🤚🏻
@@elinavinod1544 I think she was really crying but mostly because she knows the dangerous situation she is in if her father dies as her political enemies may conspire to get rid of her.
@@KL-ki8db Also because Mary can't control her emotions as well as other people.
All he could say to Elizabeth was while she was young she could still look after her brother.
That's all he cared about was his son. Nothing about her. No wonder she was upset.
And lets not forget his first son. He was a bastard but when Henry had the chance he didn't marry to boys mother. Instead the boy gains title and house, his mother out ranked. He married at 14 and died at 17, no heirs. I believe Mary was 3 or 4 at the time he was born.
Eszra Henry's first son was Henry Duke of Cornwall with Catherine of Aragon
He was already long dead by this point so needless to say he'd already become well irrelevant by this point in time. Supposedly it was rumored that there was plans to make him king had Henry been unable to remarry/have a legitimate male heir. Of course though this never occurred.
Shawnee Skywalker Little did he know he left behind an extremely strong hier-Elizabeth
The randoms The reference was to Henry Fitzroy, Henry's son with Lady Elizabeth Blount. Of all Katherine's children, only one survived: Mary.
What Elizabeth said: I'll look after my brother
What Elizabeth did: I'll be a better Ruler than anyone in our family history and NOT MARRY!!!
@Tsar Alester no she didn't
@Tsar Alester Queen Elizabeth 1? she's known as the virgin queen she was considered married to her country
@Tsar Alester ok... that was unclear
@Smiles and the Twisted MD That's true she had several "kept" men who she provided with land and trade rights and it's unlikely she would have lavished so much money and luxury onto them if they were not her lovers. The main one was Robert Dudley, Earl of Essex, and then after he died she went for his stepson Robert Devereux... kind of weird but obviously, he could be bought. It went to his head though and he may have supported a coup against her and he .... well he ended up having his head taken off his shoulders. He didn't really accept his role as royal boy-toy as his stepfather had before him so it didn't work out very well for him.
The Virgin Queen thing was mainly to create a Goddess-like image of Queen Elizabeth because the church hated women and many people did not believe a Queen could rule ... even though she ushered in a Golden Age for England! But who was one woman the church did not hate? The Virgin Mary! So she had to emulate a woman her society accepted in order to avoid having her power questioned at every single turn. It was a very clever way for her to market herself to the people and for the most part, it worked! She was known to many as "Gloriana". There were probably more men too, she had crazy amounts of money and power and she could pretty much have whoever she wanted. If she wanted your husband, too bad. He'd probably go very willingly and you'd be crying about it in a more luxurious wardrobe and home!
@@KaylaNoelle1 Why is it 'unlikely' she would give these men land and position unless they were her lovers? Being her lover would have put Elizabeth's reputation at risk and certainly not deserved a reward - getting to be with the queen of England would surely be a reward in itself! It makes far more sense for her to reward these courtiers for being faithful servants who did important jobs for her, helped her rule a VERY fragile kingdom, and loyally stood by her when others wanted her usurped or assassinated. There's nothing odd in a ruler rewarding loyal subjects they don't sleep with. She certainly could not have had that many affairs without it coming to light.
in this scene the girl playing elizabeth actually looks like the child of natalie dormer and jrm!! got her eyes and his mouth!! good casting
Johnathan's old man's voice is ridiculous
you are ridiculous
M Dixon The whole scene is ridiculous! Henry was a morbidly obese bed bound mess by the time he died.
I thought his voice the entire series was ridiculous. Like, every two words ended with a period
HIs acting was ridiculous anyway
@@Deadmentellnotales-vf3gg not to mention he was a recluse and a hoarder towards the end of his days.
I also love the compared reactions of Elizabeth and Mary to Henry's farewell. Mary weeps, while Elizabeth remains solemn. Neither is the 'wrong' reaction. Mary I think did have more of an emotional attachment to him, given that she spent her early childhood as the child of two doting parents. Mary knew how wonderful having Henry's love could be. Elizabeth's time having Henry's unconditional love was much shorter, and it shows here. While Anne lived, we see Elizabeth run fearlessly into her father's arms without a care for protocol, but after Anne was executed, Elizabeth understood enough to know that her circumstances had drastically changed, as had her father's feelings for her. As we see later in the show, there is a measure of care between them, perhaps even love, but also extreme wariness. Henry saw a great deal of Anne in Elizabeth, and Elizabeth never forgot what Henry did to her mother. She loved him, yes, but she had no illusions as to his character, and she made sure to always observe the proprieties around him, according him the respect he was due as a the King. She didn't dare to try and think of him as her father first and king second, as Mary very often did.
Mary: "Father"
Catherine: cries
Elizabeth: no emotions "Your majesty"
And then, when he leaves the room, the three of them holds hands. But Elizabeth just wait for him to go away to leave as well, showing that she didn't love him like the other women
Understandably so.
The actress who was chosen to play Lady Elizabeth Tudor here in the Tudors was actually made perfectly the same with the real Anne Boleyn's daughter. And as also as Lady Mary, Catherine's daughter. I wish they had been putting the scenes of the realms of Edward, Mary as the Catholic Queen and Elizabeth, the saviour of the golden age.
I can't help but wish they had put Katherine Howard in the haunting scenes. It would have been fun to see.
he never really loved her though
@@christmasbunny0828 he accuatly did he was heartbroken when he found out she cheated
Yessss!!!
rosie grey He wanted to believe it wasn’t true, and that it was a lie, until the Privy Council pushed it.
Well, I think the intention was to put the wives that had kids with him.
Elizabeth’s reaction speaks.
Henry’s mind: Elizabeth’s the bastard, Mary is my daughter, Edward is my son!
The joke is on him though. His bastard grew up to be one of the greatest monarchs to ever rule a kingdom.
I think Elizabeth I wasn't bastard, shes still a legitimate child of Henry VIII and his wife, just like Mary and Edward. Henry VIII had a few bastards, but I forgot their name hmm.
There's no way Henry thought Elizabeth was a bastard. The fact (historically) he almost certainly knew the charges against Anne were made-up, of his three children Elizabeth was agreed to be the one who resembled Henry the most. In the show, Henry is more in denial than anything else. Each time she displays a trait Anne once had, he fails to see that he also is the same sort of person, and uses the 'Anne-ness' as an excuse to ignore her. I feel this scene captures his realisation of the mistake he made with Elizabeth. The same mistake his own father made with him. He knows he has no right to ask anything of Elizabeth and that, through his own negligence, he's taught her to be self-sufficient. He knows she will be OK.
I don't think she was at this point in Henry's head as he recently put her back in the succession. He wouldn't have done that if he thought that
@@cardwitch91 He deliberately had her legally declared a bastard, though. He may have known, deep down, he was wronging his daughter, but he certainly didn't care at the time. Possibly his agreeing to restore her to the succession can be seen as his acknowledgment that he no longer considered her a bastard, though.
Given what he did along the way in life, I cannot imagine that the tears were flowing at this event.
+Bill Brimmer haha
I know, right.
People tend to be more reflective when they know the end is near.
oh apparently the whole country mourned. The monarch was seen as the voice of God in those days. Most people were uneducated and didn't know any better- plus there wasn't as much knowledge around about how the world works. Monarchy was like a cult
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Mary's reaction is quite sad because all she wanted was her father's respect and love, and he ignored her for most of her life and kept her from her mother.
I think Henry still seing Anne's face in the face of Elizabeth.
Love when Elizabeth's character just waltzes out during this scene. Like, "Buh bye, douchebag."
I love Elizabeth's level-gazing calm. Good casting for the teenage future queen of England. Poor Katherine Parr, on the other hand, still looks afraid he might have her dragged off.
I love the way Elizabeth looks at Henry, like she has nothing but contempt for him after what he did to her mother and stepmother but is still willing to keep her composure in her last goodbye, though she drops it immediately as soon as he's gone.
the dramatisation makes sense but the histories says she respected and admired him.
Elizabeth seems that she doesn't care at all that her father is leaving her
I wonder why :D
She has every right not to
Isabella Cross she has every right to do so
Why would she? given how he was.
Can you blame her?
I´m not at all that saddened actually.
Finally, Old Henry is kicking the bucket.
Yeah few hundred years ago.
Aha,if only he got beheaded instead of Katherine and Anne
quote: hothotheat30005 years ago
Note Elizabeth's total lack of emotion, the fact that she does not call him "father", and her total business-like composure. She does not love him, and rightfully so.
I like the way you think.
Shawnee Skywalker
I love the look on his face as if to say:
“I empathise with your pain, but you’re doing well to keep a hold of your composure and maintain good cheer. You will do well in life.”
Wanna know something interesting? He was meant to have a big toumb like his fathers one in Westminster Abbey you can see to this day, at Georges Chapel Windsor...but none of his kids finished it. Elizabeth had the money and a 40+ year reign...neer finished it. Then in the 1700s they looked into the vault to bury one of Queen Annes children and the roof had caved in and collapsed over his casket with rubble, nobody fixed it or moved it, just left it like that.
Just what the selfish bloated tyrant deserved.
@@ryancarroll4852 It's been recorded that the day before Henry was due to be buried his 28 stone corpse exploded in his casket, so i take it you have watched the King Henry documentary that explains that very thing, the tomb holds a famous British General Lord Nelson who's buried in St. Paul's Cathedral..Lord Nelson's tomb was supposed to hold the body of Henry VIII, instead all Henry got was a floor slab at St. George's Chapel.
I think she did love him on some level; he’s her father. However I feel that Elizabeth knew what Henry was capable of: his violent mood swings, his cruelty, his mind games and mental abuse of his wives and daughters (locking Catherine Howard up in the nunnery for months with no news of her sentence (which the show glosses over) and the way he manipulated Mary and made sure she was aware that he had been advised to kill her (what parent does that??).
She’s built a wall between herself and Henry, protecting herself from him and those in his court who would manipulate her. She does not allow him close, nor does she reveal her true emotion for him to prey on. I’m really glad the show touched on that.
@@krishall3811 Well, the show itself was not historically accurate..for example: There's no recorded proof that George Boleyn was ever bisexual, much less gay, there's no account of that, another thing i found out through the show is Anne's sister Mary Boleyn, another thing from the show is Mary's husband, William Carey who was depicted as a soldier in the King's army, but according to other historical points, he's depicted as a wealthy and influential courier, so it's hard to believe what's what, because the show in its entirety was historically inaccurate.
0:46 If only he knew then that he was looking at the most recognized and remembered Tudor Queen, the very same child whose mother he murdered and whom he abandoned and thought so little of. Elizabeth truly was Anne's greatest achievement and revenge.
In reality, Elizabeth loved her father dearly and was extremely proud of him. Also, when the news of his death was brought to her and Edward (they were told at the same time) the two fell into each other’s arms and wept uncontrollably
Sarah Na I want to say Elizabeth loved her mother more but she kinda reseated her father for locking her in a tower and when she was realised letting Kathryn Parr ebouse her
Maybe Elizabeth loved her father in her earlier life, but I'm sure she began resenting him after her mother died and she was branded a 'bastard' hardly seeing her father anymore. Henry put Edward above her and Mary, and he didn't hide that. Elizabeth didn't want to marry because of what she experienced with her own parents...I don't see exactly see that as 'loving' her dad.
@@IBeMelissa no. Henry executed Anne when Elizabeth was 2 or 3. Her actual feelings over her mothers fate is not known. She grew up in a time were the king was right. If Anne was executed then in their mind God and the king willed it. She likely believed Anne was unfaithful but she believed Henry was her father. She treated her mothers family very well when she was queen (her cousins by mary). It seemed she didnt resent him, or so she made it seem. She would have been brainwashed to revere him. When she became queen and was a grown woman, long after Henry died, then she likely really thought of her mothers unjust faith more and her fathers stupidity.
@Hannah Dyson Where did you read he was cruel to her?
@@jamiemohan2049 It was reported that she definitely witnessed poor Katherine Howard being dragged and screaming. That was one chord she had against her father.
It's okay, Elizabeth. You'll get your turn, baby. And you will OWN IT!
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I think that it is so telling of the women Elizabeth would be come that she didn't dissolve into tears the way Marry did. She was strong strong enough to rule the country she loved.
I totally agree. That part was great.
Shawnee Skywalker YASS
Shawnee Skywalker Mary at least had a happy childhood and got a taste of her father's love until Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth didn't. She was held a princess for a couple years and lived in obscurity as a bastard until Henry's last years, not to mention while Henry pushed Katherine of Aragon aside he ordered Anne to be killed.
It wasn't that she was "strong", not to mention she was known to be very explosive. She wasn't this emotionless ice queen that most people imagine. It's fairly simple.
Mary loved him above everything because he was her father, Elizabeth grew very detached from him, as he never showed any affection. At all. Even here, he reaches out to comfort Mary, the way he looks at her kindly, but only turns to Elizabeth out of courtesy of the sort.
He was so comforting to Mary because she was his first child
I think he realized how poorly he treated her while her mother was still alive.
this isn t true he always treated Mary and Elizabeth like trash, when he was he didn t want to believe that it was he s end. Henry was so powerful that he thought he could control lives. All what Henry cared about was his power and his son.
Everyone: sad times, let us cry
Elizabeth: I give a negative number of fucks
Did you see how Elizabeth walked away? She was like “ bye bytch! “
"Peace Out and DIE DAD!"
Elizabeth was born to kick some ASS !!!!!!!!!!!
Queen Lily No she was a largely useless usurper who was controlled by the Cecils and another powerful political family.
@@Deadmentellnotales-vf3gg I think that a lot of people watch these movies and believe that some of these people were more than they actually were.
@@deeliciousgrapes Elizabeth was a remarkable leader, it's history, not a movie.
You can't say Elizabeth isn't her mother's daughter, just knows how to puff ol'Henrys ego.
LOL his voice is so funny! I mean he is just too young to look old! And I noticed that he is so kind to Catherine Parr,especially in this scene. Sad that he wasnt so kind with Anne Boleyn too...
Raven Feathers I think he may have felt some remorse towards Anne on his last days, that's why he tried to do the best with Katrine before he died. To relieve his guilt.
Sad that he wasn't that nice to any of his wives
Oh? A accusation of cheating? Off with your head!
I love how this show depicts Elizabeth. She's less emotional than everyone else because of her upbringing, and very mature for her age, as opposed to Reign, where they depict her as a whiny brat with daddy issues.
love elizabeth's collar, crown, and necklace; i wish i could wear them, too!
She looks very much like a queen. Mary too. I think that might have been deliberate on the part of the creators. They may will be hinting on who the ladies will become.
I cried. Mary needed yer father so much and still loved him after how cruel he was. She was her daddy’s little girl. She knew nothing of the real world and was fragile. She never had a fair life and was afraid to face the world. I can’t help but feel awful for her
Can you tell me why Henry is leaving ?? Can you explain me this scene
@@priyasen4948, to put it simply: he’s dying.
If you look at the body count she racked up while she was Queen I think you'll find that you feel a lot less sorry for her.
I loved the fact that even thought Henry treated Mary badly she still called him "Father" 😥.
They reconciled after anne was beheaded and had a better relationship
Henry: Look after your brother
Elizabeth: Lmao k.
And she did until he died.
the woman playing katherine parr is gorgeous
This shows how Elizabeth saw her father, she hated him for what he did her mother.
And I wanted to smack him for his last words was to have his daughters care for his son versus I will miss and love you for eternity. I love you both.
There is much more to the Tudor dynasty than Henry VIII. I think that if you continue the series through the reigns of Edward, Mary, and Elizabeth you could make a ton of money and have loyal and dedicated fans of Showtime. I was saddened as I watch the finale last night and wonder if more could be told. The reigns of Mary and Edward haven't been dramatize and I think that this would be the most opportune time to do so.
We have this petition to keep the show going. Please agree to it.
Truly a command performance that I do not believe could have been performed better by anyone else. I hope that he will be recognized by all as the great actor that he is.
@hothotheat3000 Actually she did love her father. She shrewdly kept her distant because she knew what Henry VIII was capable of. Elizabeth heard about her mother's downfall and made sure she did not act like her mother. Elizabeth knew that triggered Henry's negativity!!! At the end of the series, when Natalie plays Anne's ghost, she mentions how well Elizabeth was intemperant.
I, devout follower of the series, by the grace of myself, DEMAND for new series, about Bloody Mary! :p
Wouter d.B. Omg that would be fricking awesome!
YASSSS
I totally agree follow up would be awesome
Yes, Showtime was stupid not to have a follow up series with Bloody Mary.
Lady Mary internally: you're going to die and still you haven't married me off!!
Elizabeth is like you killed my mother so you're not my father.
I think Henry's way of viewing Elizabeth changed over the years and in this scene it is nicely portraited. He nodds his head to his daughter, saying her name. In his way that is his acknowledgement, his aproval of Elizabeth's behaviour in that moment. Just moment before he sees how Mary breaks up in tears, and is sad about that.
Because she is not as strong as he would wish her to be at that situation. She is over thirty years old and still unable to feel strong without him, even though it must have been obvious his time was nearing.
But Elizabeth is different, she is strong and composed. He asks her to look after her brother, despite her age and she responds in very grown up way-Yes, Your Majesty. I promise.- I think she says Your Majesty instead of father, because she knows he is King before father and to show him she treats it as royal command and that it is a promise she will never break. It is last thing he asks from her and she will do her best to fallow it. Then he fallows with ,Bless you child.' And I think it shows he actually sees that of all of his children, Elizabeth is most ready to let him go, most realistic and blessed on her own. Traits that every monarch wants to see in his child.
In fact it was Edward and Bess who cried when Henry dies.
Lol, you can see that hatred in Elizabeth eyes. She didn't cry and left immediately after him with head held hight.
Elizabeth and Mary lookes beautiful
i still think this show should have been called Henry VIII since it only focuses on his life... the Tudor dynasty continued with Elizabeth since she never married. its a shame showtime chose to end this show... its a good one that i watched religiously..
Imo I feel Henry knew in this scene Elizabeth would be his true successor
@GryffindorGurl wonder if she even knew her own mother because Mary and Kat are breaking down into tears and Elizabeth is just "like what ever you killed my mother and she was innocent"
Malvika Sharma Baru he was the one who pursue Anne and his marriage to Catherine of Aragon was dead !
I loved this program ,,although its a shame Johnathon didnt redden his hair . After all the actress playing Elizabeth has the feiry red hair as the real life Elizabeth and Henry did . Henry the eighth never had dark brown hair .
Neither did Catherine or Mary, but I guess it is still a show.
They should have shown the part where Elizabeth walk away without a care as soon as Henry's back was turned
That was one of my favourite moments
The thing that I love about 1:27 is the fact this was seemingly very selfless of Henry. Uncharacteristically even. He's usually one to throw you a bone and ask how good it tastes "does it please you, your Grace?" when promoting people and "do you like them?" when giving gifts to women. He likes praise and to watch his generosity unfold. But with Kate he knows this is something he will never see happen, but he does it for her anyway. You can see her emotion - she realises he is capable of doing something so genuine for her. Which he probably knew he owed her after sending Thomas Seymour away and basically forcing her into accepting him! He doesn't ask if she's grateful, he just kisses her hand.
The way events fell into place for Elizabeth had to be Providence.
From what I have read, Henry's requests re: Katherine were partially disregarded. The Duchess of Somerset (Edward's aunt) pestered her husband till he ordered that Katherine surrender the Queen's jewels.
Aww man. Henry died in January, 1547. Catherine Parr died in September, 1548. She only got that £7k once!
How could she love the man that killed her mother ? Impossible
I want to get the dvd of season 4 and listen to the director's comentary regarding the look Elizabeth gave before walking away at the end of that scene. I'm sure it was symbolic of something, I just don't know what.
Everyone : 'Fake Cries when Henry is about to die'
Everyone: 'Celebrates when Henry dies'
Mary remembers a time where King Henry loved her and her alone when Elizabeth probably doesn’t. That is probably one of the reasons Mary was crying when Elizabeth wasn’t.
Elizabeth was glad
I think that it is so telling of the women Elizabeth would be come that she didn't dissolve into tears the way Marry did. She was strong strong enough to rule the country she loved.
@BSGT1293 he does see her a lot in Elizabeth cause in the finale dream sequence henry says "but from time t time she reminds me of you and what you did to me
It’s just sad to see that at this point Elizabeth is supposed to be around 12-13 and when she’s not showing any emotion to this event, you know he f*cked up
The actor who plays henry is so hilarious 😂 I couldn’t focus on the scene due to his acting
Sometimes i wonder what would have happened if Anne Boleyn had never died and had a son. Would Elizabeth have a different mindset than what she had?
If Anne had given birth to a son after Elizabeth, Anne most likely would never have been executed. But a Tudor boy had a hard time living past his teens. Elizabeth may have still become queen, but with a different set of experiences and Henry and Anne may have married her off to someone. Who knows how all of that would've worked out.
Telling her to be kind and in past he don't show his kindness
@jb26508 I agree with you. They out to continue the series with Edward, Mary and Elizabeth!
I started to tear up when i saw this. I think that i will cry during the last episode. I can't believe that it is almost over ONE MORE EPISODE! I can't wait for the dream sequences.
You ever think Henry regretted his actions especially when it came to his wives ?
it was reported that it was Mary who didn't care, she was just pissed because she wasn't told sooner
she didn't even do masses for her father's soul
Dearest Kate was stolen of her jewels by the Duchess of Somerset, Edward's aunt by marriage.
@FantasmaLuna it barely touched Mary's reign..it was centered on Elizabeth and her accession....there was more to Mary's reign..much more..then was shown in the movie Elizabeth.
i think that henry shouldve said more to elizabeth......just a thought
Why does he sound like trump at the beginning
Somehow Mary is the same age tho Henry wears the age of time.
Henry the 8th is one whom I am very jealous of! He seem to have everything pulled together!
You must be either out of your mind or American. His performance was outstanding.
Gavin Griffiths Or you simply have ANY knowledge of history regarding Henry VIII.....
What does being American have to do with his performance?
I know he's a trash person, but that was actually pretty sad
My favorite serie forever
Fun fact if you didn't know. Mary was 31 when Henry died
"Look after your brother"
Ugh, I would have offed myself had I lived as a woman in those times. I'm not less than any man.
Elizabeth 💔💔💔❤️❤️❤️💗💗💗👏👏👏👑👑👑
Amazing acting
And then Anne Seymour took the Crown Jewels away from Catherine Parr. So much for a King’s orders
Completely out of history. That last wife of his in fact was his nurse more than anything else. And the bad smell of his rotten leg was the cause of many head rolls for anyone who hurt him.
Henry VIII.. the damage was already done to his daughters. His love aka his son, didn’t last long… but his daughters’ reigns did…
I couldn’t ever get over Henry’s Irish accent lol
@renesmee23cullen barely is my assumption. She was only abour maybe 3 or 4 when Anne was killed, so her memories are probably there but shawdowy. However, being as intelligent as Elizabeth was Im sure she knew of the situation :)
:( i wish there more of next Prince Edward, Mary, and Elizabeth grown up and become queen in other countries but too bad its finale. I
@jb26508 I agree. I'm also one of the thousands who would like to see the Tudors continue to show Edward's Mary's and Elizabeth's respective reigns :)
The only sad thing about Henry dying is that this marvelous show had to come to an end.
happy day my friend!!
JRM - Love him no matter!