Edward VI disowns his sisters Mary & Elizabeth (Becoming Elizabeth)
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Edward VI sends his sisters Mary and Elizabeth Tudor away after being convinced by the Lord Protector John Dudley that his sisters conspired against him during his illness.
Becoming Elizabeth episode 8
Probably one of the most tragic things to occur during the Tudor dynasty was the three siblings being torn apart from and turned against each other by outside agents with ulterior motives, especially considering the three of them did genuinely all love each other before those head games started
Absolutely well-said! Their religious differences especially tore them apart.
Which is why Elizabeth was without question the greatest of them all. She wasn’t a pawn like Edward or a religious psycho like Mary. She put the county first and didn’t force her religion down anyone’s throat.
@@leerogish7223 Agreed Elizabeth was the best Tudor monarch. She learned from her siblings' mistakes and set England up for success.
Eso es cierto, porque Elizabeth y Eduardo solo se llevaban 4 años de diferencia y por eso eran más cercanos, tenían una buena relación, pero luego el decidió declararla ilegítima y asi revocar su derecho a heredarlo 😢
I'm not sure I can believe Mary loved Elizabeth. It wasn't fair to blame a baby for the sins of the parents, but Mary suffered from extreme mental illness after Henry treated her like dogshiz, and it turned her into Bloody Mary.
Edward had a terrible life. Used by adults and separated from his real family [Mary and Elizabeth], he was surrounded by ambitious, cruel people who used him to further their goals.
I agree he reminds me of Richard II in this depiction a child who inherited too much power and became a tyrant later. Though Edward isn't as bad as Richard II he's not as saintly as Henry VI either.
Have you read Edwards diary ??? He was cold , ruthless , brutal - a little tyrant in the making - he was a younger version of the worst of his father
Ooooohhhh he was absolutely able to make his own decisions & would've been more religiously radical & bloody then Mary ever was.
Never be a king as a boy if you can help it!
Like Mary and Elizabeth had it better? At least he doesnt remember his mother die
To be treated like how her father treated her from the young brother she tenderly loved. It’s kinda sad seeing as Mary is his Godmother too
She did try to usurp his crown and kill his advisors before his body was cold
@@jai-kk5uuproud of her
@@jai-kk5uu As it was her right being second in line to the throne.... Edward stabbed her 2 sisters by decalring a far away cousin heir
@@jai-kk5uuhow did she “usurp” the crown? Edward was trying to write Mary out of the succession using dubious means.
@@abrahamdominguez5517 Edward is not dead yet. Whatever the succession, she usurped Edward's crown and tried to kill his man.
Man, the actor playing Edward is kicking ass
I want someone to do a series that focused on his short life. He was brilliant, much as Elizabeth was reported to be and incredibly bright and forward thinking for his age. Such a fascinating historical character that is now largely forgotten.
Bet since he is British, his sausage is uncut. Lucky dude.
@@HowieHoward-ti3dxyou like a foreskin?
@@HowieHoward-ti3dx 😐
I love how Elizabeth left without bowing. Subtle.
As did Mary.
As far I know he removed Mary from the succession because Edward feared that Mary will reverse the reformation, as for Elizabeth, it would be impossible to skip Mary in favor of Elizabeth so Edward and the council threw the succession act and proclaimed Jane as the new heir to the throne.
And that is why Jane’s reign only lasted nine days and she was executed at the age of 17
@@xena9190 yeah very slim chance for Jane poor jane her parents failed her a lot
It was actually supposed to be Jane's kids , but when Edward was dying he knew that he was and changes it from "Jane heirs" to "Jane and her heirs" because it was obvious he didn't have long/enough time for Jane to get pregnant
@@xena9190 Go against the King Henry VIII's legal will and suffer.
@@AnnaBellaChannel iam sure James I would disagree
What great acting from everyone here! Edward looks so angry and really feels betrayed, you can see Elizabeth more or less expected it, she is sad but not really surprised by it. Thanks for posting Lili!
Yeah!💯
I feel so bad for Elizabeth and Mary. They are the most tender sisters and they love their brother deeply. They would never betray their brother in any way since they are pretty much the only loyal family that Edward has left♥️
Religious opposites, though. And oppressed the followers of each other's religions.
Me too!
Yeah!
@@geeljire9247 Not exactly, actually Edward considered giving Elizabeth the throne, but it would be illegal as Elizabeth was already written to come after Mary. So he did a loophole by replacing them both with Jane.
Mary considered both Edward and Elizabeth to be bastards; additionally, she was a devout catholic, while her siblings were both protestant. It is historical fact that Mary held catholic mass against her brother's direct orders. Mary felt she was the only legitimate child of Henry VIII since she did not recognize the divorce from her mother. Further, it's known that she resented Elizabeth, since on Elizabeth's birth, she was declared a bastard and titled "Lady" Mary and forced to serve her younger sister, whom again she considered a bastard. There was more than enough drama in that family to all of them to completely detest each other. Not a lot of love loss.
Once again, this scene never happened. Mary and Elizabeth had no idea that Edward had disinherited them until after his death, and he was always civil to them right up until the end, despite his occasional religious clashes with Mary. He would never have verbally massacred them like this, and in fact, was reluctant to sign the document that disinherited them.
It's interesting seeing siblings fighting over a church their father created on a whim.
It was much more than that, though.
Edward was a protestant far more than his father ever was. Henry was full of whims, but also a need for total power, he didn't really convert. Edward is caught up in the genuine upwelling of protestantism in England and other parts of Europe. Some of Henry's wives were protestant and at some point it became the sympathies of his guardians.
Based on some of the events protestants of the time we're willing to die and sacrifice their children for their beliefs, as did true believing Catholics. It wasn't a top down reform so much as a calculated takeover within the court
@@hellsjamfleas Yes, people like Edward, Catherine Parr, the Dudleys and Greys, they were all evangelical Protestants. Elizabeth was an Anglican, and in their eyes, was a bit too "Catholic" for them.
And his reign ended early short after his death that causes more drama within the Tudors. Every roses had it's thorn indeed.
It really wasn't a whim. The Protestant Reformation was already in full effect. There were forces and beliefs in society that were outside of Henry's influence. It wasn't just him.
How cruel it is when History repeats itself.
Catherine and Anne loved Henry dearly and they were always faithful and loyal to him. But he was cruel to them.
Years later Mary and Elizabeth loved Edward just dearly as they loved their father, mothers, and each other. And they too were loyal to him. But he was cruel to them.
Men are always cruel to women. They hate us.
Catherine of Aragon truly loved Henry, which is why she fought so hard to keep him. Anne Boleyn married him out of ambition, Jane Seymour because she kowtowed to her ambitious family, Anne of Cleves out of pure politics, Catherine Howard out of ambition, and Catherine Parr out of fear and pity.
@@nassauguy48Not quite yes, Catherine did love sincerely Henry, Anne not at the beginning Henry was a persecutor who never knew the word « no » and who made her lover, the man she really loved Henry Percy marry another. She had no choice but to marry him and when she really fell in love he cut off her head
I’m agreeing for Jane and Anne of Cleves but Catherine Howard was a literal child when she married him we don’t know her age but we can say that she’s wasn’t 18. The person who was in charge of her, her family could be the ones who pursued the wedding not her
@@nassauguy48None of these woman had a say when it came to marrying Henry VIII. They were pawns used by the men in their families🙁
By sending his two sisters away from court was a smart move by Edward VI as it protected them in the long term. Edward VI knew what he was doing.
I really bad for Mary I . She raised her half-siblings like her own children.
Her sister did love her though, and was loyal (although there were people around Mary who tried to convince her otherwise, but Mary just couldn’t bring herself to sign the death warrant for Elizabeth)
Well, this isnt that historically accurate. She did not raised them, other people did.
@@lukitasmol10 no she did care for her half-siblings and cared like a mother
Young Edward is such a great actor.
Indeed!
The people who canceled this show have no respect for history
Sorry, but I think it is because they do. As much as I find these scenes entertaining, the inaccuracy of the events is disturbing.
@@nassauguy48What inaccuracies? The show is remarkably accurate to what we know of history, and the private scenes represent events that were strongly suspected.
It seems to me the attitude most likely primarily responsible for its cancellation is the misapprehension that the show is glorifying Thomas Seymour when in fact it's exposing his villainy.
Whoever cancelled this rubbish has, in my opinion, EVERY respect for history. And i speak as a Tudor historian of nearly fifty years.
@@borleyboo5613 Please demonstrate with evidence why you take this view.
It's fiction. I don't think it has anything to do with respect for history. It's entertainment. There is so much pearl-clutching about this show's "inaccuracies" when it is completely irrelevant.
Only a great actor can make me hate a 15 year old.
I absolutely can't stand him. I want to b**** slap his pinched little face.
This is what happens when you give someone very young power without earning it. They can't comprehend the pieces of what's going on around them.
I think Edward was being manipulated by the council. Many young monarchs are often puppets of their mothers or their advisors!
Wrong, plenty of others ruled from young age, while Henry 8 was a tyrant all his life. Back them they well brought up for this and not sheltered like today with the excuse of their age. They were prepared for life and responsabilitiea. Edward takes after him.
"earning it" is not how Monarchy works. Like the previous commenter stated, monarchs were very well brought up and trained to rule from a very young age. Yes, we live in much more complicated and sophisticated times, but the principles still apply.
I could tell Mary was still hurting from the actions of her father
Same😥
So frustrated that this show was canceled…
He got this attitude from his father.
The idea of being an absolute leader, yes.
But not the idea of bypassing his half-sisters. Henry cleay stated in his will that Mary and Elizabeth were to succeed Edward (if he died without children)--and also forbade Edward from changing the succession.
Edward was misled by the Duke of Northumberland (father to Robert and Guildford Dudley). This resulted in Edward's Device for the Succession (which bypassed both sisters and the Duchess of Suffolk). The eldest Suffolk cousin, Lady Jane Grey, was declared Queen.
Result: Lady Jane reigned for 9 days. She, Guildford, her father and father-in-law were all imprisoned and executed.
He had the same lack of respect for women.
Certainly not from his mother who, by the way, would have been dismayed over his hatred of Catholicism.
@@nassauguy48 Jane Seymour worked to reconcile Henry and Mary. Had she survived bearing Edward, I believe that she would have worked for Elizabeth's restoration as well.
How much of an influence she would have had with her brothers is an interesting question. She did have to tread lightly with Henry.
That young man has talent..What an actor! Well done.
Poor Elizabeth and Mary
You mean bloody elizabeth and Mary.
@@thalassophile7171 Had he lived longer, Edward would definitely have executed far more people than did his father. He was a fanatic in terms of his evangelical Protestantism.
@@thalassophile7171 Umm it was Bloody Mary, not Bloody Elizabeth.
@@cynthia2195 The jape probably is that Elizabeth killed more people than Mary
It’s interesting when you think you’re going to be the next big, maybe biggest monarch of the Tudors, only to end up being a bookmark. I’m referring to Edward of course. And all the ambitious men around Edward probably never thought things would go the way they did.
Nahh. If hes mom still alive and sees this shes beating the life out of him 💀
Edward was a little tyrant
What a little tyrant. Father like son. But Mary was Spanish threw and threw and Elizabeth was just trying to survive.
Like father like son.. I’m not shocked at all that Henry’s pride and joy evolved into a little tyrant just like him
Edward was a good pious king who wanted to continue the Tudor line. He was better than either if his sisters and a true king.
@@The-Allfather-Odin😂😂😂😂😂😂
little tyrant. Why do I find it cute? 😂 Edward, you smol tyrant.
Yet in the end, John Dudley was declared a traitor by Mary I as she became queen after taking the crown of her cousin Jane Grey the nine-day queen.
John Dudley was executed a month later along with his son Lord Guildford Dudley and Jane Grey his daughter-in-law. Leaving Robert Dudley the only survivor and carrying the stain of being the son of a traitor, a glorified bastard, and the possible murderer of his first wife in a mysterious death for the rest of his life.
If only he loved Elizabeth more than anything. Perhaps they could have been happy.
I think Robert was rehabilitated by Elizabeth when she became Queen. She did not restore the Northumberland title to him, but made him Earl of Leicester.
He did get into Elizabeth's bad graces by marrying her cousin (Lettice) without Elizabeth's consent. Lettice was banished from Court.
@@gidzmobug2323 yeah, he was a total wreck when he pissed off the wrong woman.
Sad this show never got another season. I thought the cast and storylines were all very well done and it was a Tudor time period story that you don't usually see told (as opposed to multiple iterations of Ann Boleyn say).
It must have been infuriating to bow down to someone you could so easily beat up
I won't lie, I sometimes wonder how different history could have turned out if Mary could have legally smacked Edward for getting fresh with her
I don’t remember reading about anything that Edward VI disowned his sisters because of what Dudley had told him ….
He did change succession to avoid Catholic Mary I from becoming Queen and undoing the protestant work. However, whether such a scene as depicted here ever occurred I don't know. I enjoy this show, but I have found a variety of historical errors (mostly for dramatic purposes) in it.
He ousted both Mary and Elizabeth of the succession just before his death. Mary's case was because of her religion, Elizabeth's was a "colliteral damage". Dudley convinced Edward that ousting Mary was not possible without doing the same to Elizabeth. How convenient that the next in line, Jane, happened to be married to Dudley's son 😄
@@Lily1127channel Also the supposition exists that Dudley FORGED Edward IV's signature on the last will.
@@raysheppard2912 Thanks! But Dudley will regret it soon if I remember correctly that when Mary came to the throne he and his son along with Jane will lose their heads ..
@@Lily1127channel in other words he manipulated Edward . But he is going to pay for that when Mary becomes queen
I can’t stop thinking about CGP grey video on a brief history of they royal family saying how Edward VI “declared at 15 that his father’s rules were dumb, and his sister were dumb and that his first cousin once removed, Lady Jane Grey, should be the next monarch instead.”
This might be an unpopular opinion but Edward VI is now my 2nd least favorite Tudor after Henry VIII😠.I know a lot of people make excuses for him because of how young he was when he took the throne but learning more about him as a person and reading his letters has convinced me he was a most unpleasant person. He was old enough to think for himself and chose to leave his sisters out of the succession when he wrote his will. Most historians now believe it was his own doing not his advisors who were forcing his hand. Poor Mary and Elizabeth. I can't help but think most of the conflict between the sisters could have been avoided if their brother wasn't such a jerk. It seems to have been during Edward's reign that their close relationship started to fray.
Yes he was Joffrey Baratheon of history
@@anikethchakraborty3238 They shared some of the same qualities for sure. I just want to add I'm not really a fan of Mary I either but can sympathize with her situation under both her father and brother. They did not treat her well and it impacted the way she turned out as a ruler.
Yyyyuuuuuupp!!! It's a blessing he died when he did. Earlier would've been better. He definitely was growing into a nut job.
Especially when we hear how he was EXACTLY like his father
One shudders at the thought of him marrying, hell, if he took JAME GREY as his wife, she could have EASILY been any one of Henry's 8 brides
These actors are amazing
They cancel this show?😭tf this show is soo good they should cancel that black Anne Boleyn instead of this
Elizabeth Mary and Edward did have a complicated relationship
politics, power and religion are enough poison for any relationship
They were all very close when they were young, but were torn apart by politics and religion.
To think Edward V could have ended up like his great grand nephew 🥺🥺
If he lives to old age he will become his father mini😏
How come Mary and Elizabeth look the same age. Mary was 17 years (or so) older than her half-sister.
And the actress who plays Mary is about 10 years older than the Elizabeth actress. I guess she uses better skincare, who knows 😄
In a way Mary deserved to be treated thus. Smiling in the wake of her brothers supposed death, pleased with it. She deserved to be disowned. Elizabeth did not.
Im so sad this show won’t be renewed for a second season
The fact but of them nurse him. And took care. Of him just for him to abandon them both😢
Let’s talk again about why children should not be given power let alone absolute power
There were definitely signs that Edward was mentally unstable. It is documented that he tortured a bird to death by pulling out its feathers one by one, then taking off its wings and limbs. You know what they say about kids who enjoy killing small animals. When they grow up.........................
Interesting that all three ended up on the throne.
Edward was a little jerk especially towards his sisters 😒
Great scene, but don't be so hateful, everybody! Edward was a book-burning, person-executing Protestant zealot as much as Mary was a Catholic one, but I don't believe such a scene ever played out. By all accounts Edward was very fond of his sisters. He didn't like Mary's radical Catholicism, but allowed her to practice because he loved her, and he had no problem whatsoever with Elizabeth.
He only disinherited them in his will, just before he died, not whilst he was healthy. He did this because he knew Mary would try to bring England back to the Catholic church, and, of course, he couldn't declare Mary illegitmate AND legalise Elizabeth.
As far as I'm aware, he never thought either of them traitors, and the only sore point between the siblings was Mary's Catholicism.
Actually he did have a gripe with Elizabeth not being as Protestant as he would have liked, but it was still a better relationship than with Mary. Despite what anyone thinks of Elizabeth, I think most can agree that her idea of religious tolerance was clearly the better idea compared to her siblings.
The only good thing about the 3 of them it's that they were actually care for one another. This scene didn't actually happen. Edward disinherited his sisters without them knowing it. They found out after he died. But I actually think he did it for religioun and also for his sister's protection. But the most unfortunate in all of this was the innocent Lady Jane.
As tragic and painful was his early death, I can't feel sorry for him. If he had lived, he would have becomed more of a religious extremist than Mary did.
Says a lot about his acting talent that his smug Dudley can make me hate Jamie Parker, whom I adore. LOL
I wish they continued the series it had so much potential coz the focus would be on lesser known Tudors Edward VII and Mary I and the story of Lady Jean Gray the death. Their stories would have been fascinating to explore in the series and show how they these individuals shaped the monarch that Elizabeth I would become not just her parents relationship.
Well, he didn't live long didn't he?
stoppppppp why did I laugh
Draco Malfoy
Thomas Seymour literally ruined his life
He also tried to seduce Elizabeth and married Katherine Parr so he could be closer to Elizabeth WHEN SHE WAS 15. As I recall, his own brother was involved somehow in putting him to death
Dudley WAS an unscrupulous user. He obviously disliked Mary for her Catholicism, but also Elizabeth because he saw her as the REAL obstacle to his own ambitions. To evangelicals like Edward and the Dudleys and the Greys, Elizabeth, a true Anglican, was not Protestant enough. There were many who also questioned that Henry was her father, given the reputation of her mother. But that was all hogwash, as Anne Boleyn never cheated on Henry, and of all the three children, Elizabeth acted and looked most like Henry.
1:25 me sniffing my little brothers feet and yells at me 💀💀💀💀
Remember Mary is 37-38 she is a grown women grew up much with catholicism she is getting scolded by a 13 year old boy
When your sisters entered your room during your “private” activity
Boys: Get out! Get out! GET OUT!
And he didn't sit long upon the throne. Only 6 years until his death.
Well, he seems just as empathetic and megalomaniac as his father.
If Edward only survived, the Tudor line would have continued.
You are making assumptions without grounds there. It is possible the line would have continued, just as possible that it would not have.
@cynthia2195 Ok, it would have continued if he was capable of having children.
If you play Spazzmatica Polka by Kevin Macleod behind this entire (but Radio Martini works too, actually just anything from the polka or oddities album) it makes it great
Where can I watch this movie and what name?!
Karma came to the Tudor family
And this is why we bully our younger siblings
Jane Grey was a brilliant student who even outshone Elizabeth, but she was emotionally childlike. She would have been a mediocre to even disastrous ruler.
Not to mention the crappy adults around her like her parents and father in law. Those three were great reasons why poor Jane got beheaded later.
Fictional or not - this young actor has chops - amazing scene.
He was poisoned😢😂
Edward was a frail sickly kid.
I’d hate him as a little 1/2 brother.
Your dad’s extramarital affairs are not your business Jing Han. Don’t interfere in his private life
Not a goth. I don’t care so much about what I’m wearing. My personality is not defined by the clothes that I wear
This scene never happened in real life
HE DID NOT- IN REAL LIFE?
LORD DUDLEY STOP WITH THE MANUPALTION
Well, in a way he did. Edward VI erased both of his sisters from the succession.
@@Lily1127channel why: (
@sammy_yesxsageminty Seeing as they've cancelled the 2nd series, here's a rundown on what happened. Edward had been raised by his uncles and tutors in the Protestant faith and was dedicated to it. However, his eldest sister Mary was devoted to the Catholic faith and under the terms of Henry VIII's will, if Edward was to die with no heir, the crown should pass to her and if she also died with no heir, it would then go to Elizabeth.
In 1553, he fell ill, most likely from consumption and this was fatal back then. He realised if Mary did succeed him, she would make England Catholic again and he couldn't abide that. However, he could not cut her out of the succession in favour of Elizabeth as both had previously been declared illegitimate. So he, with help from his council, wrote his will and said that the crown should pass to his first cousin Lady Jane Grey, Henry VIII's grand-niece. Strangely enough, she had just been married off to Lord Dudley's son Guildford, younger brother of Robert. Timed that nicely.
Edward died in July 1553 and suddenly Jane, much to her horror, was pronounced queen. She had no clue about any of this. Dudley sent men to capture Mary but she escaped and managed to rally an army before marching on London. She was joined by Elizabeth on the way. Opposition quickly melted away and Jane, Guildford and Dudley were imprisoned in the Tower of London. Jane was only queen for 9 days and Mary was then proclaimed queen.
Mary had Dudley executed in August 1553 but was inclined to spare Jane and Guildford though keep them imprisoned for life after a treason trial. However, a young noble Thomas Wyatt the younger had become fearful at the news of Mary's impending marriage to Phillip of Spain, thinking that it would lead to the persecution of Protestants. ⚠️ Spoiler Alert: It did. He led a rebellion which was quickly put down but it ended up implicating Jane and Elizabeth as the aim was to make sure a Protestant was the ruler of England. Parliament and the Spanish then convinced Mary to sentence both Jane and Guildford to death and they were beheaded in 1554. Elizabeth was spared as she was the heir to the throne at least until Mary had children of her own.
Mary tried to restore Catholicism to England and ended up burning over 300 people at the stake, earning the nickname Bloody Mary. However, she died childless in 1558 and Elizabeth became queen on her death.
Pity it only had one season
Where can I watch full episodes
On this show, I feel they tried to make an effort to make Edward more like Henry....which was just not accurate.
Exactly how did he disown them in this clip??
No wonder he disowned em, lookin like that, chronic over acting by little Mary
I get Edward hating Mary bc she was a Catholic but why Lizzy? She was also a Protestant like Edward?
Edward like his mother Seymour..awfull
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Goodness gracious. The actors are all white!! 😂
*What? No black people? Cant be very historically accurate then!*
(satire , pointing out just how ridiculously woke these dramas have become.)
Is the compulsive inclusion, don´t you know about it?....even if the story is about skimals have to be one black at least! And if the people are from Spain or Catholics the perfect excuse for British to show them like Nigerians!
Pretty sure a black character does show up but I remember it being explained that he was a moor.
@@KL-ki8db They claim everyone with a suntan was black. Moors were and are not black the way people from Nigeria or Kenya are black - look at people from Morocco today, they are Moors and they're about as dark-skinned as southern Spanish or Italian people are.
MY ancestors were BLACK Europeans from England, Ireland, and Scotland though 👀
Most of my lineage on both sides traces back to Europe, and none of them were mixed with white people at all. A great deal of them were expelled nobility too. I have the surnames and records to confirm this, and they were all black people. We lost our lands and titles for religious reasons and were expelled to the carribean and South America, while on my mother's side, we fled to West Africa. This is actually the case for MOST black Americans who are not mixed with white ancestry.
You all think Europe equals white or that black people only come from Africa because you are unaware and ill informed about my people's true history. You also think that we all got our very European last names from white slave masters, but my family records show that our surnames always belonged to US!
I point this out not to brag but to highlight the ignorance your unintentionally ironic sarcasm exudes. You will be very surprised, and embarrassed I'm sure, when more and more people begin to confirm this truth.
TL;DR: THERE WERE BLACK EUROPEAN NOBILITY IN EUROPE WHO WEREN'T AFRICAN OR "MOORS" AND THIS IS VERIFIED THROUGH FAMILY RECORDS WHETHER YOU LIKE AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
@@MEAJJEKL Your ignorance is sad. Please, get a real education.
Horrible series.