Shiner's book is excellent. After hearing pt 1 here, I bought a copy. Ironically I am through about 2/3rds of it just about where you stopped this episode. I can't wait for pt 3. This is the most thought provoking book on art (and culture) that I have found in many years. Thanks to you!
This was very interesting. Back in my first year of art school we skipped art history and started with art theory and Kant in the first year. I was so confused why we where told that image making was bad, of course we where starting at the bith of modernism, skipping ahead as fast as possible to post-modernism. Indeed any styles and stylistic choices where thrown out the window. Hearing this makes total sence. I need to read that book.
Guys, for your disdain of psychedelics alone, I love your show! Why do high people always think that they have a grip on reality, while they are actually losing it! The drug mongering is just another awful phenomenon of modernism. Thank you so much for pointing that out. Not many people do. But parents as matchmakers? No. Sorry. I see great problems with modernism. I don't like it. But there is a middle ground in which individual maturity plays a role. And traditional societies often are just as bad for development as modernists are. Matchmaking parents are one example of this kind of immaturity. I agree that the relationship is a very important factor, but so is love. Why is it always one or the other? I find this view to be just as unbalanced as modernism/progressivism. Integration should be about agape, eros and philia, in my opinion.
As one ideology replaces another, and certain supposed "values" of societies change, the core principle always remains constant: preventing vast parts of populations from using their own senses and innate capabilities to make judgements - judgements applicable to whatever one encounters in the natural world, as well as to any kind of fiction someone is (intentionally or not) trying to imprint upon us, and that includes ideas of "art", "relationships" or "marriage". As you rightly point out, it shouldn't be one or the other. Regardless, causing chaos, to then elicit yearning for a return to some kind of "traditional" order, is one of the oldest tricks of the trade...
Shiner's book is excellent. After hearing pt 1 here, I bought a copy. Ironically I am through about 2/3rds of it just about where you stopped this episode. I can't wait for pt 3. This is the most thought provoking book on art (and culture) that I have found in many years. Thanks to you!
This was very interesting. Back in my first year of art school we skipped art history and started with art theory and Kant in the first year. I was so confused why we where told that image making was bad, of course we where starting at the bith of modernism, skipping ahead as fast as possible to post-modernism. Indeed any styles and stylistic choices where thrown out the window. Hearing this makes total sence. I need to read that book.
Guys, for your disdain of psychedelics alone, I love your show! Why do high people always think that they have a grip on reality, while they are actually losing it! The drug mongering is just another awful phenomenon of modernism. Thank you so much for pointing that out. Not many people do. But parents as matchmakers? No. Sorry. I see great problems with modernism. I don't like it. But there is a middle ground in which individual maturity plays a role. And traditional societies often are just as bad for development as modernists are. Matchmaking parents are one example of this kind of immaturity. I agree that the relationship is a very important factor, but so is love. Why is it always one or the other? I find this view to be just as unbalanced as modernism/progressivism. Integration should be about agape, eros and philia, in my opinion.
As one ideology replaces another, and certain supposed "values" of societies change, the core principle always remains constant: preventing vast parts of populations from using their own senses and innate capabilities to make judgements - judgements applicable to whatever one encounters in the natural world, as well as to any kind of fiction someone is (intentionally or not) trying to imprint upon us, and that includes ideas of "art", "relationships" or "marriage". As you rightly point out, it shouldn't be one or the other. Regardless, causing chaos, to then elicit yearning for a return to some kind of "traditional" order, is one of the oldest tricks of the trade...