Reesie Jenkins I do too. I had just started my 21st year in the fire department, and was hoping that after 9-11-01 we had seen our last huge LODD fire. We hadn't. God Bless them All.Best Regards from Texas.
More specifically, a discarded cigarette that ignited flammable material in a dumpster outside the loading dock. It then spread inside due to the loading dock being made of non-fire resistant material.
0:53 Yeah you hear the beeping of PASS devices that go off when the wearer is motionless for at least 24 seconds. And that clip appears to be after 7:45 PM, after the flashover and roof collapsed. By this point, those firefighters were almost certainly already dead.
It is my understanding that a preliminary report was issued at the request of the City of Charleston. It was done against NIOSH's wishes because it was incomplete. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I find nothing about the official report on the NIOSH website. Thanks.
Of course this is the second deadliest incident for firefighters in US history since the World Trade Center collapse in New York City during the attacks on September 11 2001 when 343 were killed along with over 70 NYPD police officers
@93CFD Its not just southern states, its many states where older building are not required to have sprinklers. And contrary to belief, sprinklers will not typically totally extinguish a fire, but rather keep it small and managable to the point where occupants can escape safely and the FD can extinguish it with minimal structure damage.SO if this building hadsprinklers,the fire may only have gotten to about 20 % the sizeof this
The lack of sprinklers was embarrassing to Charleston and the state of SC because the fire code allowed the slumlords who owned the building to expand an old 22k sq ft grocery store with a widowmaker roof into a 59,000 sq ft densely packed storage area for tons of hydro-laden foam fuels without needing to install the sprinklers that any idiot could tell the repurposed and expanded building now needed. They just tacked on three extensions and called them separate buildings and the state let them do it because SC fire code was (at the time) not in compliance with the Federal standards. At the time of the fire it was three times larger than the mandatory size where sprinklers would be needed if the extensions were counted together as a single building and the interior was a total rats nest of code violations. The bigger issue was how the chief's initial size up failed to recognize that the "trash fire" he'd been called out for had already become a structure fire in an extremely dangerous sub-code firepit of a building. So his boys did the "run in and put the wet on the red" thing and rapidly things went to shit with no hope of fixing it.
CyanoticFuture , Sprinklers would have done nothing, with all that furniture being in there, it went up quick and very hot.all the black smoke was from all the sofas burning and other furniture.that stuff burns extremely hot. There was nothing anyone could have done, the Fire should have just burned itself out.
@@donnadreyer2580 The sprinklers job are to prevent the contents from catching fire. Not put out a fully involved building. They could have prevented the rapid spread of the fire to the showrooms.
@@donnadreyer2580 official IAFF report disagrees with you. Simulations show sprinklers would have started in 50 and 75 seconds, and the fire would be tenable. Even if it doesn’t totally stop the fire, they should be there to give our brave firefighters a chance to do their job as safely as possible. The original fire was not near the furniture and could have been mostly extinguished by the time first responders arrived, as it had not yet made it to the show room. Sprinklers here would have likely saved lives.
@@donnadreyer2580 the fire also would not have burned itself out. A neighbors house was already damaged with how long it went, imagine if it had gone longer! This isn’t the most crowded part is Charleston but it definitely isn’t sparse!
Surely they didn’t go inside that building? It was too big and if the ceiling collapses there’s no place to run. It’s just straight down. No side beams to stop it.
Smoke inhalation and burns was the official finding ...they run out of air in the cylinders first succumbing to the toxic gases of the burning furniture, most likely after death suffering burns the Report found there uniforms weren't rated to the high temperatures experienced 1, 000 plus degrees whether this would have helped is unknown as from the time they entered the odds were against them so many things went horribly wrong in minutes...
They got trapped in a room and couldn't get out. Those siren like sounds yoy hear are pass devices going off. They got off when a firefighter is motionless for more than 30 seconds.
@@justinmaxwell111 I was a fire fighter for 5 years man. The job is scary. This place was a death trap unfortunately I think most of these guys died from smoke inhalation and thermal burns. Hopefully they were unconscious already before the fire got on them
@@justinmaxwell111 They died of smoke inhalation and burns, according to the autopsies. Reading the transcripts of the radio traffic, they began to be overwhelmed between 7:33 and 7:40 PM, right before flashover happened in the showroom.
Actually that is incorrect. When firefighters arrived, they couldn't find any active flames. The fire/smoke was burning in the loading area and filled the void space above the ceiling with super heated gases, which later would be instrumental in trapping the firefighters. There are several official reports that go over it.
@@donnadreyer2580 I don't doubt you do. My statement is based off the official investigations that were done into the fire, not off any personal experience.
The sound of the pass device going off really sends chills down my spine.
My father was in this fire i am so glad he made it out alive god bless me he did cuz he is still my fire fighting hero
JOHNATHAN TYRELL?
We will miss those brave men who risk their lives every day and every night.
I remember this just like yesterday...
Reesie Jenkins I do too. I had just started my 21st year in the fire department, and was hoping that after 9-11-01 we had seen our last huge LODD fire. We hadn't. God Bless them All.Best Regards from Texas.
I stayed 15 mins away and seen the fire
All gave some,some gave all
That was a sad day in the low county.
Sad day in the North Georgia mountains too
been there on my way back home from work and got stuck in the traffic jam right in front of the store around eighttirtypm...rest in peace!!!!!
It was not an electrical problem, but carelessly discarded smoking materials.
More specifically, a discarded cigarette that ignited flammable material in a dumpster outside the loading dock. It then spread inside due to the loading dock being made of non-fire resistant material.
much respect... from Jefferson Twp Fire Dept.... Ohio
0:53 Yeah you hear the beeping of PASS devices that go off when the wearer is motionless for at least 24 seconds. And that clip appears to be after 7:45 PM, after the flashover and roof collapsed. By this point, those firefighters were almost certainly already dead.
No harm Brother. Been waiting for it myself. Stay Safe
Charleston Nine
all gave some some gave all
7 Years ago today ~
Gone But NOT Forgotten
8 years! Scary!
The final NIOSH report has not been issued. The Routley report has, and will tell you everything we all already knew.
It is my understanding that a preliminary report was issued at the request of the City of Charleston. It was done against NIOSH's wishes because it was incomplete. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I find nothing about the official report on the NIOSH website.
Thanks.
So hard to watch this 😢
all this because some asshole threw a cigarette butt in a dumpster. really pisses me off. drove by there yesterday. brought back memories.
My God, what a horrible loss of life.!
Of course this is the second deadliest incident for firefighters in US history since the World Trade Center collapse in New York City during the attacks on September 11 2001 when 343 were killed along with over 70 NYPD police officers
we have the niosh report at our station
@93CFD Its not just southern states, its many states where older building are not required to have sprinklers. And contrary to belief, sprinklers will not typically totally extinguish a fire, but rather keep it small and managable to the point where occupants can escape safely and the FD can extinguish it with minimal structure damage.SO if this building hadsprinklers,the fire may only have gotten to about 20 % the sizeof this
The lack of sprinklers was embarrassing to Charleston and the state of SC because the fire code allowed the slumlords who owned the building to expand an old 22k sq ft grocery store with a widowmaker roof into a 59,000 sq ft densely packed storage area for tons of hydro-laden foam fuels without needing to install the sprinklers that any idiot could tell the repurposed and expanded building now needed. They just tacked on three extensions and called them separate buildings and the state let them do it because SC fire code was (at the time) not in compliance with the Federal standards. At the time of the fire it was three times larger than the mandatory size where sprinklers would be needed if the extensions were counted together as a single building and the interior was a total rats nest of code violations.
The bigger issue was how the chief's initial size up failed to recognize that the "trash fire" he'd been called out for had already become a structure fire in an extremely dangerous sub-code firepit of a building. So his boys did the "run in and put the wet on the red" thing and rapidly things went to shit with no hope of fixing it.
CyanoticFuture , Sprinklers would have done nothing, with all that furniture being in there, it went up quick and very hot.all the black smoke was from all the sofas burning and other furniture.that stuff burns extremely hot.
There was nothing anyone could have done, the Fire should have just burned itself out.
@@donnadreyer2580 The sprinklers job are to prevent the contents from catching fire. Not put out a fully involved building. They could have prevented the rapid spread of the fire to the showrooms.
@@donnadreyer2580 official IAFF report disagrees with you. Simulations show sprinklers would have started in 50 and 75 seconds, and the fire would be tenable. Even if it doesn’t totally stop the fire, they should be there to give our brave firefighters a chance to do their job as safely as possible. The original fire was not near the furniture and could have been mostly extinguished by the time first responders arrived, as it had not yet made it to the show room. Sprinklers here would have likely saved lives.
@@donnadreyer2580 the fire also would not have burned itself out. A neighbors house was already damaged with how long it went, imagine if it had gone longer! This isn’t the most crowded part is Charleston but it definitely isn’t sparse!
rip stay safe
did any one read the niosh report on this fire
my fault we only have the draft report. sorry about that
They did not do something right they pulled a buster hose and went in
Surely they didn’t go inside that building? It was too big and if the ceiling collapses there’s no place to run. It’s just straight down. No side beams to stop it.
So what ever became of the fire chief that was "running" this scene?
He took full responsibility for their deaths said he wished he could have done something then retired after
Just blame the chief. Forget about the cigarette smoking asshole who discarded his cancer stick in the dumpster that started it.
Your friend from a small community and your friend from Marion county.
That's shocking! Did the worker they went in to save die aswell?
No. They managed to break open a wall and rescue him
@@jonboogy It was the St. Andrews firefighters who rescued the trapped employee.
How did these boys die? A collapse?
Smoke inhalation and burns was the official finding ...they run out of air in the cylinders first succumbing to the toxic gases of the burning furniture, most likely after death suffering burns the Report found there uniforms weren't rated to the high temperatures experienced 1, 000 plus degrees whether this would have helped is unknown as from the time they entered the odds were against them so many things went horribly wrong in minutes...
They got trapped in a room and couldn't get out. Those siren like sounds yoy hear are pass devices going off. They got off when a firefighter is motionless for more than 30 seconds.
@@justinmaxwell111 I was a fire fighter for 5 years man. The job is scary. This place was a death trap unfortunately I think most of these guys died from smoke inhalation and thermal burns. Hopefully they were unconscious already before the fire got on them
@@justinmaxwell111 They died of smoke inhalation and burns, according to the autopsies. Reading the transcripts of the radio traffic, they began to be overwhelmed between 7:33 and 7:40 PM, right before flashover happened in the showroom.
I don't want to sound cold,but when the FireFighters got on scene, the building was pretty much gone, why didn't they just let it burn.
There were people inside
Dakota Ford , OMG
Actually that is incorrect. When firefighters arrived, they couldn't find any active flames. The fire/smoke was burning in the loading area and filled the void space above the ceiling with super heated gases, which later would be instrumental in trapping the firefighters. There are several official reports that go over it.
@@joshrogers9515 My Oldest Brother is a Retired Firefighter for Our Hometown, so I know what I am talking about.
@@donnadreyer2580 I don't doubt you do. My statement is based off the official investigations that were done into the fire, not off any personal experience.