RB Leipzig And The 50+1 Rule
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- We discuss RB Leipzig's history, the reasons behind their unpopularity, and how they have navigated the Bundesliga's 50+1 rule.
Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, SSV Markranstädt still exist. Red Bull purchased simply the playing rights for the first team, and created RB Leipzig, they did not - as mentioned in error - buy SSV Markranstädt.
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Some day red bull is going to loophole it's way into fielding a national team in the world cup.
1)buy a small country
2)change country name to Redbull or RB....
3)pay foreign players to play for your country
4)Arsenal
5) Win World Cup
grayd98 They'll just buy off an island in the middle of the Atlantic ocean
there is still unclaimed land known as "bir tawil" someone notify the Red Bull CEO, all he has to do is gain a healthy population and get it recognized by FIFA. there is 48 teams in the world cup now, its perfect!
grayd98 don't give them any ideas
6) Manchester United
How do you get a severed bulls head into a stadium is what i want to know
Same as the pigs head thrown at Figo at the Nou Camp
prob someone who works at a butcher/slaughterhouse has a friend who works at stadium security.
Probably like in a bag or something idk
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So for 60 euros I can become a member of Bayern even abroad? 🤔 I always dreamt of owning my own soccer team.
member not partner
You can buy ajax shares on the aex i believe
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Fifi Yeet don’t think it was a joke buddy
Yes and it's anual so really cheap 😁
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Thanks Chris!
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Nice vid. I wrote a paper on Leipzig for a class a few years back related to this issue. I personally struggle on whether or not to support them as the team is fun to watch and full of young exciting players. They play a fun brand of football and have economically helped the region. At the same time it’s easy to see why people are upset at the corporate influence, especially considering how insane some other leagues have become
Lies again? $50,000 SGD
To be honest I don’t have a problem with it, only the big European clubs will as they like they big clubs to stay big and smaller clubs with investors to be severely restricted with there spending even if the club can afford it. Apart from Man City of course they can do and spend as much as they want even if they don’t get it back in revenue
MK Dons next?
I'll put it on the list of potential. It's a great list
Nottingham Forest, my all time favorite club... even though I am a Dutch Ajax supporter.
RB Dons in a few years probably.
McDonalds
hectorae86 good lad
So in theory all I would need to have majority voting rights in Rb Leipzig is 17 mates and €1700 + €13600.
No because they can still deny you as a member. Hence Red Bull controls who has a say, and will not let "regular people" get any say in how the club is run.
People say RB are good for the competition in Bundesliga but they hate Man City or Chelsea because of having millions of money by outsiders like Sheikhs or Russians. They destroy fans' economy with a crazy membership fee. 800 Euros LMAO
The difference is that RB develops players while the clubs such as Man City and PSG buys players.
Franc Mema it might as well be 8 pfennig; I mean they just instantly reject applications anyway. It's a gimmick. It's just a German law or league requirement.
Does RB Leipzig has the famous player? definitely no, RB has built a such good player from their academy..
Randy Kiik the Bundesliga is already destroyed with Bayern having all the best players and winning it year in year out .
Bernard Brunu Rubbish as fuck don't say anymore shit, look at Man City buying off Arsenal players or Liverpool from Southampton or Barca from Valencia but nobody cares pls cut your usual shit because it's becoming boring
Wait till they hear about Manchester City
What about man City?
The problem with the RB Leipzig structure it bypasses the 50+1 rule. Why this is a huge problem and a lot of people are hating RB Leipzig for this. The 50+1 leaves the control in the hand of the fans. With this if the club wants to rise the ticket prices, change the colour of the team shirts, stopping fan events or if clubs will become 100% companies even possible the location. That's why the 50+1 rule is so important.
Many East Germans, particularly in Leipzig, are particular tired of the dominance of West German clubs. They are willing "break the tradition" of the 50+1 rule simply see an East German team come back. Thus, Red bull is seen as Trump doing a "Make Leipzig Great Again" whereas the 50+1 rule and west German club are seen as the establishment and Hillary Clinton.
50+1 has nothing to do with the investor. Example: an Investor could get to dynamo dresden and invest 500mio. So they would be in 1-2 years in the bundesliga. The problem is not about east vs west. But Red Bull has find a loophole of 50+1. If othere teams would do this. Companies or Billionairs can dictate ticket prices, trikot colours fan events and at the end locations. In Germany clubs are build under the community idea. The fans/members have the last word. Red Bull silent the fans by giving them no voting right and have a shadow cabinet of "members" that are nothing more then managers from red bull. That is the problem
Martin Winter Do you think it is different with the rest of the clubs? A group of small people already DO take all the important decisions. The only difference is that they have more fools to pay for them, giving them the hope that they count. At least leipzig is being honest. And if you really want to decide, then pay the 800€ and you would have a way bigger share, and have bigger impact in the final decision.
geminix365 yes there is the differnce - in the 50+1 rules most of the clubs are owned by the members. Which means each member only has one vote. It doesn't matter how much money they have. If the leading president want to raise ticket prices, stop fan events, change the clubs main colors or change the location the members would say - "NO cause we do a vote against you and you will be out of your position at the next council of the memberships" That's why 50+1 is so important
I hate RB Leipzig for this awful, anti-fan motto, but is it that much different from Bayern simply absorbing all the best players from the other German sides for nothing?
I love the discreet Father Ted reference in the protest. "Down with this sort of thing!"
keep up the great work. really educational for the world of footbal
Football was lost years ago
Billionaire arabs buy clubs all over the world ... no one bats an eyelid....
Redbull buys a team the world goes crazy...
RB & City can make a new global Champions League. RB Salzburg, RB Lepzig, RBNY, RB Ghana, Manchester City, NYC(80%), Melbourne City, Sichuan City, Girona(40%), Athletico Torque, Yokohama Marinos(20%)
@@mateuszzimon8216 they could, if by champions League you mean "two good teams and the rest shit".
No only german football goes crazy because we care about the teams and the team care about us
@@miguelsilva9118 *cough* La Liga
@@mateuszzimon8216 no.
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it’s worth mentioning that Leipzig have been challenging for the Bundesliga for the last few seasons having never spent more than 20m on a player. So much for “buying success”
They are very shrewd with their investment that’s for sure.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Of course they don't have to spend that much money now when they have bought Bundesliga level talent for years whilst being in the lower leauges. And they also have their partnership with the other RB clubs like Salzburg to develop young players and get them for cheap prices
The point are that 1)they still need to complied with 50+1 rules (at least until 2029) so they can invest as much as it get now 2)Red Bull have lot of commitments to many of their projects, and although Red Bull Leipzig certainly one of Red Bull top priority, it's certainly not the highest
Do you guys think RB can win the Bundesliga? Do you even want them to? Might be a nice change from Bayern..?
uMAXit Football I'd much rather Dortmund, Schalke or Leverkusen won it but that's not going to happen
You never know. One word for you. Leicester.
no
uMAXit Football A better word, Kaiserslautern
I would rather that RB leipzig wins the league rather than Bayren winning it again. and most of their player's are Developed youngsters their not doing what man city or Psg are doing buying the best in the world.
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After all the nonsense around the super league. The FA need to introduce this method of owning football clubs in England. April 20th is a huge day for football
Does it also possible for English premier league becomes one team league
Yeah, imagine if English league has this rule, then all 1st tier club like Southampton, Everton, Newcastle Utd, Leeds Utd would be runned by fans and members, which would limit their abilities. And then small football clubs from 6th tier, that nobody in Europe heard of, would do the same as RB Leipzig, they would have 20 or 30 members which are all employees of the investors. And then all 6th tier small clubs would be in better position than Southampton, Everton, Newcastle Utd, Leeds Utd, small clubs would be promoted and kick big clubs out of Premier league eventually. And there would be a lot of RB Leipzig-type teams in Premier league.
Who's here after they won UCL?
can you do a video on the fall of Portsmouth or Blackpool?
He has on Portsmouth now. Blackpool, their owners are definitely to blame.
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Liked this video the second I saw the "Down with this sort of thing" sign, so happy to see Father Ted reference oh my ❤️
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Why would people treat the players like that? They did not make any of the business decisions. They just took their chance to play professional football. I think German fans have protested in the wrong ways to demonstrate their hatred. The owners do not play on the field, the players do so throw you're bulls head at the corporate office building not the pitch.
The corporate office is concerned with revenue, not with bull's heads. Such a protest would be meaningless. Only by taking actions that actively reduce the profitability of the club will any desired change occur; such is the way of business. The players will suffer to a proportional extent, but frankly, that's the risk they take for playing for such a controversial club. If the club becomes financially crippled to the point player wages become an issue, then the players, too, will protest and leave, and the club will be no more. Only then will the German public "win".
If you let the business overcome and lead the club then the club is a shallow shell nothing more.A club defines itselves through his members/fans not through investments.
Players who join such clubs know the risks!
Hannover had the issue with a fan protest when they stopped going to the 1rst team matches because an investor tried some cheeky moves.
RB has not even any notable achievement in the past before RedBull jumped in.Btw we hate clubs who bought themselves into the success (Hello PSG,Man City ect.).
What is your club Identity if you have changing owners with different strategies for club or treat the club as simple chess piece in their portfolio^^
We had the protest about the 'monday league games'. When they stopped for 30min(even full halftime) every cheering in the stadium for all BulI matches.They will change it back in 2020/21.
Overall clubs do not mess with the fans or the fans will mess up their 'business product'.
If the Germany Football Association consider to remove 50+1 rule there will be burning clubs no joke.
Or don't hurt bulls at all, they did nothing wrong
Plus they are idiots. Instead of wanting more competition in their league they rather Bayern have a monopoly.
You my friend...deserve a medal...good info mate
"Down with this sort of thing" XD
Careful now!
"Corporate Shmorporate" like yo chill don't kill them
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Revisited this video today, it's truly eye-opening
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hey love that you are going with classical back ground music!
I don't really hate them. Seeing someone up there giving Bayern a little scare is refreshing. Also, they must be doing something right if they're joint first in points without any flashy names in their roster.
Keep up the good work.
i Marjibi no, they're gonna destroy supporters culture in Germany all for a little competition at the top of the table. I want Bayern to be challenged, but not at the cost of something so much more important
How do small clubs compete with Bayern if companies like Red Bull don't do this? Bayern buy their way to the top anyway, RB just do it without having to buy a huge football team and disturb loads of fans by rebranding it.
You clown.
Felix Reuß they didn't buy a big football team, idiot, they bought a 5th tier German side. He is just saying that they did not have to buy a really expensive big club.
Away fans boycotting games is only going to assist their rise
Red Bull didn't bought SSV Markranstädt. They purchased the playing right of the first team of SSV Markranstädt. SSV Markranstädt still exist as a football club. Red Bull bought SV Austria Salzburg but not SSV Markranstädt. Thats a huge difference. Also the shown club logo is not the current one.
Apologies - we included playing license in script, but that aspect was unclear in our research. Will make necessary edit in the blurb. Thanks for your input!
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I really hope they win, would be a nice change from bayern and i really like forsberg. He played in my local club Malmö ff. He then went on and joined RB Leipzig and promoting them to bundesliga
Your drawing was mesmerizing.
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same music from The Spy Who Loved Me, in the aquarium scene? The other Bond...
And this year they made it to CL semi final though they got knocked out by PSG
Lol “ down with this sort of thing”
I love father ted
Great video
This isn't THE solution to football, but something to build on
Meanwhile in Vietnam,nearly every single team in the top division stick the owner name on their name.
Gawd,Red Bull,just buy V-League already.
Well done vid
Nice video mate
Thanks William - Danny
Nice Burke picture on thumbnail 😉
Leipzig has some good young talent. Definitely a team to watch.
Dynasty I used to think “who is this team and why haven’t I heard of them?” Thinking they got big because of oil money
Honestly I’m not sure if this is the reason why but I think they’re big now because of a result of excellent scouting and being able to recognise and then sign very talented players or just talented players in general who are at a young or very young age.
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what the name of the piece of music? great video by the way
Music is linked in the description
Now rewatching this video after all the recent protests at Hannover, Bayern, Union Berlin, Dortmund & Monchengladbach. I suspect YT trying to inform us of the 50+1 rule, which needs to stay.
This is exactly what's wrong with football. Along with the racism and homophobia and such. But still, this isn't what football is about, they should be playing for the spirit of the game, not the money.
Great video, though. Really short and informative :)
Gordan Milicevic It definitely makes it more exiting, but I'd rather it were Frankfurt or Darmstadt or someone like that.
Bayern munich fans. Am i right ?
RB Leipzig is giving young players a chance to play, look at Poulsen and Werner.
***** That's all good for Poulsen and Werner. Very happy for them, but not for RB Leipzig.
Daniel Gisborne exactly. I have nothing against the players, but that doesn't make the club as a whole any less disgraceful
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Back after the fuss in the bundesliga. Even though i was here from the day it was uploaded. Refreshed
How can rb Leipzig and Salzburg both play in the championsleague ?
Down with this sort of thing!
Careful now.
whatever the story behind the curtain, I love their football,their fight.
I love this so much.
I'm just wondering why RB are doing this? As an American, I've already long despised Red Bull's MLS side RB New York, as it for the longest time prevented New York from having a proper first tier football club, (of course, until Man City & the NY Yankees created yet another artificial club, (the only real club in NY, NY Cosmos are probably about to die)) They ruin a club with a great history in Austria Salzburg, & thereafter create the ugly monster that is RB Leipzig. Do they not realize that they are alienating the footballing world against them?!?! I understand that there is money to be made but surely the company must think of it's image as well? This is beyond frustrating. Damn the MLS & their franchising, damn them ruining the spirit of the game, damn Red Bull, damn their destruction of the essence of the game of football.
Its so funny that some RB New York Fans are in the Stadium waving Flags on wich stands: Against Modern Football. Oh the Irony in that ....
Zoë Irons but idk what's the problem? They're producing some top talent and are they making crazy decisions the fans wouldn't allow?
Um... they're a football club like any other one; they all have their cons. Top clubs have more money than others, RB Leipzig isn't a top club yet. A brand may own a club, so what? They play football. Footballers make money off of it; at the end it's a job to play a professional sport. Money, whether you like it or not, needs to be in the background to make players play.
Zoë Irons you don't like the loss of essence then stop watching football... there, I won. It's a beautiful sport filled with magic at the end of the day
Yet they are producing talent, investing in facilities, have one of the best soccer fields in the US for their team. Was one of the first teams to push for a reserve team to play in the 2nd division effectively saving it from folding. In addition, to having one of the lowest total wages in the league their youth development and system is one of the best in the MLS. In fact, a lot of the US national teams in the lower tiers are starting to have a lot of RBNY players. If anything they're the antithesis of American soccer which has been known to buy aging talent from Europe looking for a retirement check. They won the SS with the most points in US history with half of their squad all coming from their academy. Now they using their other clubs to create a network of staff and teams that their players can benefit from. I don't know about you but they're developing soccer much better than sometimes here in the MLS have ever done since the league's inception.
How about letting people who might suffer the financial consequences of a failing team control the team as opposed to people who think they can run a team?
They just beat Spurs and went to round of 8 in CL! Ironic!
OMG I LOVE THE SONG
down with this sort of thing!
Nice father ted reference with the down with this sort of thing
Thanks so much I wanted to find out the whole rb Leipzig story do bad
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Personally, I learned lots of things that seemed complicated from these simplified yet brilliantly put animations.
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DFB prohibits sponsors un club names? Oh yeah? How about Bayer Leverkusen and Carl Zeiss Jena? 🙃
I think cause they where founded before football was professional
Its called the Lex Leverkusen. Wikipedia: In cases where a person or company has substantially funded a club for a continuous period of 20 years, it is possible for that person or company to own a controlling stake in the club. This exception most notably applies to Bayer 04 Leverkusen (owned by pharmaceuticals company Bayer), and Vfl Wolfsburg (owned by automobile manufacturer Volkswagen), and has more recently allowed SAP co-founder Dietmar Hopp to gain control of his former youth club of 1899 Hoffenheim.
The club started out by Bayer employees in the early 1900 the name has always been Bayer and bayer has been the clubs foundation
Carl Zeiss Jena is named after the Person, Carl Zeiss isn't even a sponsor of the Club
@@kabumbalatungaxx3002 never heard of Carl Zeiss Optics?
Love the Father Ted reference.
Anyone know the name of the song used?
Never change
What's the name of the classical music playing in the background?
Air on the G String by Bach
thanks so much
Air on the G String, J.S. Bach
Since no1's mentioned, it's "Darude - Sandstorm"
Welcome!
Great video! Greets from Germany #neinzuRB
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Can someone explain why RB Leipzig can't use Red Bull in their name, and had to go with RasenBallsport. But Bayer Leverkusen is allowed to use a large company in their clubname and logo?
Because the rules that a team cannot name for commercial (exceptions are for Leverkusen (work team for Bayer established in 1904) and I think Carl Zeiss Jena. Both clubs established well before Bundesliga (and any associated rules).
I think it also has to do with it being an east (one of the few) german clubs? :c
There is a rumor that RB is poaching young Germany player ( age around 10 to 12) from clubs (mostly east) by giving lots of money to their parents. And many of those clubs have file complains with no out come. Can anyone conform this (not from germany, so)?
bribe huh?
Season this what happen to pogba
almost all big clubs have their academies doing this..
just for an example, isnt this what barca did for a 13 years old Messi?
Time to leave those 50+1 days behind. When you have teams like Bayern, steeped in history and success who sell a ton amount of merchandise and have incredible sponsor revenues, plus CL money every year and favourable TV rights deals- no one will at present, or in future, be able to compete with them on the pitch without external investors. And then its further complicated by Leverkusen and Wolfsburg not even needing to abide by the rule. Also, its even too difficult for Dortmund (barring Klopp's days), who have the biggest stadium in Germany and 150k members, to do so. Believe me, I don't like RB Leipzig going against the spirit of those rules set in place by the DFB, but the 50+1 rule goes against basic economic competition laws. Allowing foreign capital flowing into the clubs will level up the playing field. There are other ways to preserve the identity of German clubs, by preserving the membership policy in different ways for fans, by giving them extras like the clubs TV channel, ora monthly magazine on the latest football developments within their club- but the ownership structure and voting rights has to change. I am sorry!
Can you do a video about Scottish football?
This is super relevant following the announcement and collapse of the ESL..... Imagine if all of the european leagues had this rule
Yeah, imagine if Spanish league have this rule, then all 1st tier club like Betis, Sevilla, Valencia, Real Sociedad would be runned by fans and members, which would limit their abilities. And then small football clubs from 4th tier, that nobody in Europe heard of, would do the same as RB Leipzig, they would have 20 or 30 members which are all employees of the investors. And then all 4th tier small clubs would be in better position than Betis, Sevilla, Valencia, Real Sociedad, small clubs would be promoted and kick big clubs out of Spanish league.
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bundesliga should simply cap membership fees?
Membership fees is just one thing, the video didn't mention that RB Leipzig reject all of the applications even if you pay all the fees, their membership are reserved for Red Bull employees only. In other words, their membership is just a sham.
...but I fucking love to see them play!
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Thank you sir!
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They gonna be on my coupon alot nxt season
I don't like the people in charge but I do like a lot of the players on the team like keita
Just out of curiosity, what about Bayer 04 Leverkusen? Isn't Bayer a commercial sponcer?
hwangi0404 yes but the team was created originally for the workers of Bayer to play the same with Wolsfburg
+Proximate Sun Also, Leverkusen was not created in order to market Bayer's products or brand (unlike RB Leipzig, which is 100% a Red Bull advertising project).
Bayer has dozens of Sports Clubs, situated according to their biggest factories. These were initially mostly for workers and their families. As they are e.V. (registered) clubs, they are controlled by rigid rules. Though they have the Bayer name, they are not controlled by the company. Which does sponsor them though, according to the usual laws.
very good busniess moves, they're really smart
But Bayer Leverkusen are named after the pharmaceutical company bayer?
I take it the background music wasn't chosen arbitrarily as Bach composed it during his time i Leipzig.
We're just that good - Danny
make a vid about leipzig tactic pls
There are some exemptions to the 50+1 rule as if a company or corporate investor has financially supported the club for more than 20 years it can acquire full ownership of the club. These clubs are:
Bayer Leverkusen (BAYER)
Vfl Wolfsburg (VOLKSWAGEN)
Both started a long before 50+1 as "after work activity"
Do Barcelona and Bayern treble winning tactical and season review...Barca won treble twice though...