Panasonic Lumix GX85 / GX80 Review - MirrorLessons
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Our complete review of the Panasonic GX80 / GX85. You can see full res image samples in our written review here: www.mirrorlesso...
Table of contents:
1:19 - What I like: Image Stabilisation
3:24 - What I like: 4K and video capabilities
5:22 - What I like: Lots of extra features
6:30 - What I like: Burst shooting and shutter
7:30 - What hasn't really changed: Autofocus
9:08 - What hasn't really changed: Image quality
10:16 - What I don't like: Downgrades from the GX7
12:22 - What I like the most: Value for the money
Trust me, I've seen more or less every gx80 video review and this is one of the best, by far. Great work.
Thanks!
You cannot beat the B&H deal of the camera with kit lens, a telephoto lens (45 to 150 mm), UV filter, 32 GB memory card and camera bad... all for $497.99. Bough mine last month and love it.
So much camera for the money. Still in love years later. The kit lens is also the best kit lens I've ever had with a camera and I've been doing this a very long time.
many youtubers should learn from this channel so detailed
Thank you so much!
Hello my friend from Atlanta Georgia wow that Panasonic is packed with features Panasonic is number one I don't care what anybody says they make a great camera and mostly they have a viewfinder on their compact cameras where Canon and some of the other manufacturers don't even give you that and I believe in having a viewfinder specially in sunlight I don't depend on the screen in sunlight you have to have 20/20 vision to look at that screen in sunlight because of the glare but the viewfinder is really great I have a couple of their cameras the ZS 85 and ZS50 and to me these are both great cameras they work excellent but this camera that youour showing looks a little more beefier and heavy just by looking at it thank you so much for your presentation I thought it was excellent
Thank you for the wonderful and comprehensive review! This is our first mirrorless camera (first camera with any interchangable lenses, actually!) and you summarized our thoughts on it very well :)
Great review :) Really liked the intro too, very well done!
Great review 👍
Bought it in 2021 and still a great camera.
I still use mine from time to time.
This is an excellent review. Thank you! I had to suffer through a few useless videos on other channels before discovering yours. Well done!
Great review - I'm wavering between the Panny and an Olympus - I have no Olympus cameras so desperately want to try one - but right now the GX80 is marking an awful lot of cards..... Olympus needs to get their pricing on the Pen or Pen type cameras into more reasonable territory. For now it looks like the GX80 is the smarter buy... in my opinion of course
excellent and very detailed review Mathieu, keep up the good work :)
Happy New Year!
I've just bought this camera complete with the 12-32 compact kit lens. I think it is great for its compact size. The best part and what persuaded me to buy is the current price after the £200 Cashback offer. It nets down to £247 for body only and £347 with the single kit lens. That's half the price Mathieu thought was one of the best deals available back in June or July.
I'm quite familiar with Lumix G series cameras, my last one being a G7 with a G6 preceding it. I'm amazed at the extra features they incorporate with each new generation. As far as the GX80 goes, I love the in-body image stabilisation, extra 4K still features, its compact size and its price. Not so keen on losing several Fn buttons or on the rear control wheel. This camera will replace my Fuji X20, as they are both about the same size as long as either the kit lens or one of several other compact ones available are fitted. The GX80 feels much heavier though. Its also far more advanced [than the X20] and, of course, has the versatility of fitting any M4/3 lens on it.
Happy new year to you as well! Glad you are enjoying the new camera ;)
Huw Williams where did you buy yours ?
Sam Chikowore
I bought mine at a local camera shop, Carmarthen Cameras. Its as local as it gets here, being about 30 miles from home. Cashback finished on the 9th January. Which reminds me that I can now claim.
Thanks, I will check it out Huw Williams
Thank you for the review. Choosing your very first camera is hard lol.
Great review. Can't wait for Panasonic to put some of these new features in GX9/GH5
Good stuff +Mathieu Gasquet! Your comments on MU-43.com helped convince me to get the GX85, and now I want a second! I suspect that the missing features were left out for cost-control and to not make the GX8 look so bad.
Keep up the great work!
+John M Flores thanks!
+John M Flores : Do you get the twitch or jerky movement when panning as shown on review? My copy (so far) doesn't have this problem. Wondering if I got lucky or if it's a telephoto lens thing? I've panned with kit 12-32mm and 25mm 1.4 Fotasy in 4k. I have telephoto lenses but I'm waiting for a converter.
I'm surprised by the results. Kit lens is lovely and stable. I wasn't expecting much as I have shaky noodle arms. Initially, I was searching for a cam + a gimbal but now I don't need that combo. I really love the inconspicuous minimalist boring box design. Personally not a fan busy retro multi dial look. I would say the grip is iffy even with my kid sized hands. It's not deep enough. Maybe add a hot shoe handle for video? But the other stuff, like in camera USB charging, electronic shutter, the extras makes thing easier. I love it so far.
Line Push Yeah, horizontal pans are not the best. I tried to set stabilization for panning (like in photo modes) but that feature is not available when shooting video. I suspect that longer lenses magnify the problem, literally.
"Shaky noodle arms" LOL. I feel the same way and I was also considering a gimbal for an upcoming motorcycle trip but I think I'll make do without one.
My brother has the GX7 and the grip is much better. I walked a mile with the GX85 yesterday and at first my fingers got tired because I was holding on tightly. Once I relaxed my hold and let my fingers and thumb press lightly against the camera things were better. And the wrist strap is there, just in case.
Chose my first camera after watching this, thanks a lot! Shot my first short film with this camera :)
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I just bought one recently too. Going to use it mainly for everyday street photography and taking reference photos for my watercolours. Mine is coming with bundled 12-32mm. What’s your recommendation for next all round lenses? On budget. Read few places that 20mm or 25mm from panasonic is good choice. It’s my first real camera 😊
The Panasonic 25mm f1.7 is a good one, or the 20mm f1.7 II if you want something a bit wider.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thanks :)
Great review, many thanks for the comparison between the GX80 and the GX7. I was thinking about upgrading, but will stick with the GX7. I don't need many of the 4K features and focus bracketing. I like the new shutter and better IS and DFD but wont trade it against the tilting viewfinder, the better grip on the GX7, the MF/AF switch and the better body material. In fact, practically none of my GX7 photos are not in focus or show problems with IS. And BTW, I consider the GX7 as one of the best looking cameras ever. This year I will invest in lenses instead and wait for next years mft lineup.
+Arne Brüning investing in lenses is a wise decision ;) I agree the GX7 AF is very fast, we even used at a contemporary dance show once and it did great.
Damn, the IS seems incredible! Thanks for the review!
Thank you, Matthieu. Just bought the GX85 and your review was helpful.
Hey Mathieu! Loved, LOVED the review! It was well worth the wait.
One question: Since the AF/MF dedicated switch is gone, can you assign that to a custom Fn function instead? Or do you have to do it on the screen every single time?
+Marcos Codas Yes you can assign that to a custom button and choose one of the four AF modes: AFS, AFF, AFC and MF.
Ah, fantastic! Not a problem for me at all, then. I was really worried about that.
Thank you so much for your content. It's fantastic.
And your interaction with your audience is second to none.
-Marcos.
There is an AF/MF switch on at least some lenses - my Summilux 15mm f/1.7 has one.
Just bargained one for 320 euros, I'm so looking forward to using it!
Great review! But to be honest, if they would have put in the AF/MF dial and the tilting EVF as well as an external mic input (I think you forgot this one, big one for me) instead of deliberately leaving these things out, then they might as well completely stop selling the GX8... I think it is already a better camera then the GX8... better IBIS and much better shutter (no more shutter shock)
+STEHH87 Yep, I think that they tried to not make the camera too close to the GX8 otherwise because of the lower price it could have become a too "dangerous" competitor. But then at the same time you downgrade one product so that you can have two. I guess there isn't a perfect solution. Too many cameras out there :D
P.S.: you are right about the mic input, but I guess the smaller size of the camera makes it more difficult in terms of hardware to include that as well.
Hi Mathiew. GX80 or EM-10 Mark II. Gonna be my first mirrorless and also a step into photography and video. Keep in mind the kit, gonna be on kit lens for both if I get either platform.
+officespace if you are interested in video too, the GX80 is a better choice and excels for stills as well.
Thx for the quick reply Mathiew. Now I'll just have to wait for it to be launched in Singapore. Gonna Have a feel of both then decide, can't wait.
Thanks for reviewing this. Love your videos and reviews !
One question I noticed in the video that when talking about the new shutter and how it sounds, you cut away showing the shutter sound of the gx7 and not this camera :(. Can you upload a video with an example of this new shutter sound please :)
Also does it have first curtain E shutter ?
+Valkyrie743 The funny thing is that I watched the video three times before publishing it and I didn't notice that it was the wrong shutter sound!! As Homer Simpson would say: D'oh!!
Anyway, the real one is here now: czcams.com/video/XHGvLtsnVYM/video.html Thanks for pointing it out.
The camera doesn't have the E-first curtain option.
Just subscribed! Really enjoy your honest, straightforward reviews ... I was all set to jump on a GX8 (esp. now they are nearly half what they used to be..) but I have concerns about the shuttershock I've heard about. But I'm wavering on a GX80 because the EVF on the GX8 looks to be better than the GX80 (I too wear glasses and it makes a difference). Also, the weather sealing, while not a huge deciding factor sure would be nice...What are your thoughts? Which would you choose with limited funds? Thanks!
The EVF is definitely better on the GX8 and weather sealing is a welcome addition. The shutter shock is quite annoying. Personally I sold my GX8 and bought the GX80. I'll use it mainly for product shots and for my youtube videos as it has everything I need (4K, IBIS, compactness etc). I guess it depends on what your needs are and what kind of shooting you are planning to make. For example if you shoot lots of outdoor sports or wildlife where the weather is not always on your side, weather sealing can help.
Great work, I’ve just picked this up after watching this video! Cheers
+chris aldridge thanks! Enjoy the camera;)
Mathieu Gasquet thanks man!
Thank you for another excellent review!
you guys make me happy
thanks for your explain
god bless you
The first detailed review I've seen for this camera. Thanks.
Would you say the rolling shutter is the same as G7 or is it worst?
+ferlinmogot to be honest I don't remember exactly how it is on the G7 but I would say they are similar.
Brilliant review, I have been waiting for this. My idea is to get this body only and a lens 20mm/15mm/25mm(panny/Oly), though not sure which one. The outdoor location with Heather wondering around looks interesting, where was this shot?
+Mahesh Gogtay I love the 15mm. Great sharpness and very interesting angle of view for street, reportage, travel (if you like to get close to your subjects too).
I found that panning is a little jerky in 4K video even on a tripod, as you know scaling it down to 1080p works wonders... The little jerkiness that it has greatly reduces if my goes away in MP4 or AVCHD 1080p 60 fps. That's my experience videoing dressage, the slower you pan the better you will be. BTW I looked at SONY's camera and it didn't have nearly all the feature that the Panny has other than the megapixels and ability to take and shot in really low light...but you can;t beat the price. The only thing I DO NOT LIKE is the little plastic door and the locking mechanism which requires you to manually move it to close... I wish it was spring loaded ... but that's the worst of it for me. Oh yes one more I wish the 4K was in 60 fps too. Great review and thank you
+carmas54 thanks. more fps can help with panning but often it is a matter of finding the optimal combination between fps, focal length used, speed and duration of your movement.
Do you still consider this camera to be a good choice in 2017 ? I suspect Panasonic is going to release a refresh relatively soon but I can't wait ahah.
Yes it's a great choice now, lots of features and quality for a competitive price.
Thnaks Mathieu for your answer.
Excellent review, thanks for the information. I'm hoping that maybe a firmware release for the GX8 will give us focus merging.
fantastic review..! and yes, the tilting EVF was the AF switch was supposed to be retained but..
OK, you have convinced me.
Good review. You convinced me to buy it.
+Grampasso Films thanks. We're still using it ;)
Mathieu Gasquet Hope It will pair well with my LX100 :D
Mathieu thanks for this review I was eager to see something like this, definitely I will purchase the gx 80.
I'm just wondering if I want to shot a video with a person, do you think that the gx 80 is capable of track an human face without any problems? I know that is impossible to have a performance like Canon eos80d but just to know.
Cheers
+Nuno Rodrigues you would get mixed results I think. If you have a look at my IBIS comparison between the GX80 and the Pen F, there are a few shots where I follow a person walking and some of these GX80 shots are sligthly out of focus because I was using C-AF. It's worst with Olympus lenses but still it's not 100% accurate.
Good review, thanks! And you sure test the stabilisation while you talk with shaking the camera like that all the time..;)
Thank you, great review. I'm trying to decide on my first mirrorless. The idea is to get a camera that does everything not best in class, but well for the next couple of years. The purpose is to have it as a walk around/travel camera with small zoom and a 17mm prime. Would you say gx80 is better than e-m 10 m2 aside the 4K capability?
They are both excellent cameras. The GX80 is sligthly faster with AF, but the E-M10 II has a better EVF.
Hi Mathieu, I've been watching your videos and they are great, thank you. Got a quick question. Which camera do YOU recommend, RX100 iv OR G7 OR GX85 for 4k videos and stills please? I've heard GX85 is not so good for videos, what do YOU think please?
The GX85 is good for video but the G7 has more options (Cine-Like profiles, mic input, fully articulated screen). The quality is similar (you can see a comparison video here: czcams.com/video/fjsnNmuh7M4/video.html)
The RX100 IV has great slow motion capabilities but I wouldn't use it as my main camera for video: battery life drains really fast and 4K is limited to 5min per clip.
Great review!!
A fantastic review! Thank you. I'm very interested but I don't like a few things: 1st.: the plastic body and the low variety of lenses. The 2,8 zoom lenses from Panasonic 12-35 or Olympus 12-40 are to big for this body. But I will think about more about this camera before I will make a decision to buy.
the m4/3 system has lots of lenses, it's the best selection among mirrorless cameras.
great review!
Is the EVF good? Because I read a review from DP that said the EVF was bad because of the 16:9 ratio, like the color tearing was really noticeable in bright light. And is the image really small since it's in 16:9 compared to 4:3? In your review you didn't mention it so I'm hoping it isn't a big issue. I'm looking to purchase my first mirrorless camera, and I'm considering this camera, the Olympus OMD-EM10 mk. II, and the Canon EOS M3.
The 16:9 ratio didn't bother me too much. The color tearing is noticeable in strong backlight situations if you pan quickly. The E-M10 II EVF is slightly larger.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thanks man! You da best!
Thanks
Thank you Mathieu
Great review thx
Hi Mathiu, great review!
I am planning to buy my first mirrorless camera. Considering Lumix GX80 or Sony Alpha 6000. Which one is better to you? Thanks!
I'm glad your gonna compare the 2!
ps: I've got manly hands. Probably Olympus grip is a must.
ps: Ses like the Pen is overpriced compared to the Panasonic.
ps: What Pen color do you prefer?
+Cody Robinson I find the grip needed with longer lenses especially but it's a nice addition overall to have a better grip on the camera. Yes the Pen F is more expensive, that is one of the crucial points between the two.
I prefer the silver version for the Pen F.
Excellent review! You concentarted on the thing that are unique to the GX80 which is really good as there are now so many 16MP m43 cameras around. I regret the stupid 16:9 viewfinder on a camera that has a 4:3 format (which is one of the very few things I dislike about the m43 system, albeit it's a huge thing, sadly...).
+Markus Koller thanks. I guess they choose the 16:9 viewfinder because of the video features but I would prefer a 4:3 VF as well.
Hi buddy,
Can you explain me more about the function of the "fn3" button. and do more videos of how we can do the set up to get really good photos?
I believe you have the GX8 in your camera arsenal. I have a G7 and shot no video, I
like the camera but because of my early onset of Parkinson Decease, I feel that
the Stabilization in the GX8 and GX85/80 would be beneficial. I have the 14-140 and 12-32 OIS Lumix lens. There seems to be some great pricing on the GX8 all of a sudden. What camera would you recommend my getting?
Thanks,
David
The GX85 has the best stabilisation but the GX8 does well with OIS lenses that are compatible with Dual IS. The GX8 has a larger EVF and better grip. However it has sever shutter shock between 1/50 and 1/320s (an issue that Panasonic solved in the GX85).
Mathieu, when using EF or vintage/manual lens, do you double the focal length? There seems to be 3 camps, the double camp, leave it as is and some even suggest half? Focal length is fixed therefore it doesn't matter if it goes on full or crop frame argument makes sense to me, but I am not certain. What do you suggest? Great review, btw.
+Line Push I set the real focal length, not the equivalent. If you double the focal length the IBIS can overdue and create more shakes.
Great little camera, great review :) BTW: Is there any possibility to "emulate" the MF/AFC/AF-switch with one of the FN-Buttons? I can't believe, Panasonic canceled this essential control element without any substitution :(
+Platy80 You can assign the AF mode selection to a function button (you then scroll between AFS, AFF, AFC and MF).
Great review! Does this camera support shooting hyperfocal with panasonic lenses?
Very useful review, Mathieu, thank you.
However, the AF in video mode of this camera is still pretty bad compared to the best systems out there (Sony´s phase detect, and Canon´s dual-pixel) as it´s already been proved in several DPreview threads where they are discussing this topic.
As such, and for someone like me, whose main interest is taking videos handheld, an unusually good stabilization does not compensate at all a potentially blurry mess that can take several seconds to refocus on a simple subject, as it can be seen elsewhere. And maybe that´s not an important thing to you, but it is the n1 reason why people like me won´t be able to purchase this otherwise interesting camera, and as a result, the one thing I miss the most in your review.
Just my 2 cents.
+1650million thanks. It is important and I mention it in the AF chapter. I didn't put it in a separate topic because there isn't much to say beyond the fact that it is slower. Plus it also depends on the type of shooting you need to do. I worked as a professional filmmaker for years and AF was never an option. It's true that lately some cameras are improving like the a6300 and also the X-Pro2 does surprisingly well. The problem is related to DfD: it is a contrast detection system and has its limits. I think Panasonic should move to phase detection at some point.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) I´m no professional, and I certainly don´t intend to be, I´m just a guy who has big aspirations, such as shooting dogs, moving cats or even nasty kids. I am someone who will never, ever buy a camera that requires me to do something as painful as trying to manually focus things in motion, and even more so when we have ILCs in the market that perform admirably, and have had them for years, such as the a6000, 70D or NX1, among others (No idea about the X-Pro2, TBH).
The point being, a reliable AF in video mode is a tremendously useful feature for anyone who is even mildly interested in video (other than manual-focusing pros) and a sore disappointment in a 2016 camera, that´s why I found your "the performance is low" comment in the video a bit "lacking"...
Anyway Mathieu, I think my point is more than clear, thanks for your info, again.
+1650million No problem, I appreciate constructive feedback. I'll add more thoughts in my written review for MirrorLessons and will remember it for next time. It's not always easy to summarise all the different aspects of camera while keeping the length of the video reasonable.
Great review - a litle surprised you havent reviewed the GX9 given that it addresses all the "downgrades from GX7 to GX80" plus adds 20MP sensor etc .. would that mean the GX9 is a perfect camera for you?
I compared the GX85 and GX9 on our website:
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx9-vs-gx85-gx80/
The GX9 has some nice improvements, but it's not drastically different from its predecessor.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thank you so much its a great review & I'm v impressed you can get decent images at up to 2 secs hand held on certain lens on the GX9 vs max 0.5 secs GX85 (like my EM5ii). Now the price diff between the GX9 & GX85 has dropped to £100 (£450-£350) vs £200 at time of review (£600-£400) the GX9 seems a compelling buy altho both great cameras, cheers Rich
Hi Mathieu, again what a brilliant review ! I just have a quick question. Im having trouble to decide which body should I buy between emd5 ii, emd10 ii, gx8 and gx85. I love the design of the olympus cameras but I think without the 4K it is a deal breaker. I would like to hear from your experience which one of these cameras has the best AF among them ? Thank you for your respond.
The GX85 has a sligthly faster AF in comparison to the other cameras but the difference is not huge. If you are interested in 4K, the simple answer is: GX85. It's the best bang for the buck you can find right now.
thanks for the heads up. Appreciate it so much :)
Hello,
I have a question regarding RAW files - when switching into electronic shutter mode do we get 12-bit or 10-bit RAW files ??
Nobody from Panasonic could confirm that so far :(((
Thanks
Thank you for this exelent review.
I have a question about video shooting:
Can you power the camera with an external power (i.e. a power bank) while shooting video?
there is the possibility of buying an optional AC adaptor and DC coupler to power the camera without worrying about battery life so there could be the possibility with a power bank as well.
Ehi! Good video! I have a question: Can I use the camera connected to the charger? It is a feature I need, because I often make stop-motion video.
The USB charger won't work to power the camera without a battery inside and when the camera is on, the battery won't charge.
Great video review! Would you advise this camera in 2019 as first entry level mirrorless?
Yes absolutely, you can find it for a very good price.
Absolutely - I happened to see it advertised yesterday for £320 WITH the kit lens... or £399 without. Go figure!
How does this camera fare in 2023? I see the prices are around 500€, would you recommend any other for the same price?
Mathieu, does the EVF/LCD show a stabilized image even when using a non-stabilized lens?
yes it does when you half press the shutter release button.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thank you!!
Excellence review!! I am interested in this one since my EM5 just broke down and I need to find some camera to use. What do you think?
Well, tilt EVF is not a big problem to me since EM5 doesn't has it from the beginning but it will be very useful for my beloved area (Macro). No built-in wireless flash trigger and no weather seal is quite a pain for me as well. Light composition is grey area for me because I think it will be the same as Olympus's.
How about the quality of RAW file? I use it so often before the camera broke down.
+Kunut Manathanya the RAW file is good and overall the IQ is superior to the original E-M5 that has an older sensor (especially at high ISO, past 3200).
However since you know Olympus cameras already, why not consider the E-M5 II? It's weather sealed and has wireless flash trigger with the supplied FL-LM3 flash. If you want the spent less, there is also the E-M10 II (but you loose weather sealing).
I am thinking about EM5 mkii as well, I really love the design. Here are the reasons why I look at Panasonic;
1. They got panorama in-camera (still curious why Olympus didn't make this function?) which I think I may use more frequent than flash trigger.
2. Focus speed is quite better for me but most of my lenses are Olympus's, not sure it will be any difference.
2. GX80 got a built-in flash
3. The body size is quite similar (GX8 is too big for me) and also got IBIS
4. I afraid of camera fault and other QC problems. For 2 years of use EM5, I got shutter curtain fault twice (one after warranty end and second one is after extra 6-month warranty end but this time I didn't fix it but will find a new camera instead). This is not include other faults that I face on the first year of use.
I love EM5 but with this annoying problems, if there are any better option, I would take it.
I guess I need to go to some shop and try this GX80 myself to see if I like it or not.
Anyway, thanks for your suggestion and any further suggestion will be very welcome :)
+Kunut Manathanya if you can try it in a camera shop, that's definitely the best thing to do ;)
Great review... I have a question... Gx80 or G7 considering that I am really interested in video and also photography at the sane moment... I also would like to have cine like styles .... Thanks in advance flor your answer....
the G7 has the cine-like profiles, a mic input (3.5mm) and a better grip and those are welcome for video. The G80 has the advantage of IBIS and Dual IS stabilisation. IQ for stills is very similar if not the same. So it depends if you need a more complete and ergonomic body to shoot video or not.
Great review. I' m thinking about my first real camera.What model you recommend gx85 or omd em10 iii ? I wonder which AF model works better? I read, that contrast AF is not so fast, but Panasonic provides DFD technology that theoretically works faster. Have You seen any differenses in AF speed of this models?
It is a bit faster yes, especially in S-AF, but it doesn't make a huge difference in my opinion, especially with these two models.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thank You and which model in Your opinion is better choice ? I want to mix photo and video in travel situation.
Great review! Is GX80 good for astrophotography, Milky Way shots, startrails? Thanks!
Yes it is. You can see some examples here: www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/07/15/panasonic-leica-12mm-f1-4-review/
Hi Mathieu. Great video, thanks. I currently have the GX7 and just ordered the new Panasonic 100-400mm for wildlife photography. Can I ask your opinion - you mentioned that the IBIS is particularly good for telephoto lenses. Is it worth me upgrading to gx80 from gx7 for the benefit of IBIS and lens stabilisation? Or would the differences be insignificant?
with the GX80 you would benefit of the Dual IS system with that lens so there is a significant improvement. The new camera also has a new shutter mechanism that eliminates any problem of shutter shock. That being said, the GX7 has a better grip in my opinion. I would try the lens with the GX7 first to see if the lens OIS is enough. If you are satisfied with the combo then you can wait to upgrade.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) thank you I really appreciate your response and advice!
Matthew, Is the G85 (new G7) a step up to the Gx85? what besides weatherproofing is the advantage?
also, how does the range finder style work for videos?
The sensor and AF system are the same for both cameras. So the real advantage is weather proof, more ergonomic body, bigger battery, mic in and more settings for video (Cine-Like profiles). Dual IS should be a little bit better on the G85.
Great review!! Thank you! So the million dollar question ... GX80/85 or Pen F (if money is not a factor)?
+armaniusmaximus I prefer the Pen F for the better user experience (more dials and buttons) and the color / monochrome profiles. The GX85 is superior for video and is a more complete hybrid solution if you want good quality for both stills and video.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thanks Mathieu. I wish the Pen F had 4K. It would make my decision so much easier. And I wish the GX80/85 had fully articulated screen. That would make my decision easier too! Do you feel that the Pen F inspires you to take more photos? I've always felt a higher emotional connection to my Olympus, Fuji and Leica cameras much more so than Sony and Panasonic.
+armaniusmaximus I admit I was more inspired with the Pen F, but that becomes very personal. If I had to use the GX80 instead I am sure I could produce similar results in the end. With the Pen F you appreciate the precise design and the great feel with its dials, it feels more like a camera from the start. The GX80 has a more modern design and is more convenient as an hybrid solution. The connection might be less "emotional" but it gets the job done and it does it well. Actually I'm considering replacing my GX8 with the GX80 for our youtube videos and the shots we need for our website. It's convenient to have one small camera that can do everything.
Great review, Thank you!!
I am debating between the Panasonic GX85 and the Olympus EM5 II.
I suspect that the dynamic range on the Olympus looks better then the GX85, am I right?
Do you find the shadows on the GX85 to be too dark ? and if so then I wonder if there is a way to fix it within the camera settings.
+ofer3877 dynamic range is very similar on both cameras.
The vivid profile on the GX85 has strong shadows but you can change the highlights and shadows intensity and also the contrast of the picture profile.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) But based only on photo quality would you command the Olympus over the Panasonic?
+ofer3877 I like the colours of Olympus cameras better but if you work with the RAW files that matter less. But maybe just for stills I would go with the E-M5 II. Better EVF, nice design and ergonomics, weather sealed etc.
It's just such an abomination that the did not include mic input I mean it would not have costed them much. I am still going to use it for handheld b roll.
Tomas C K because this is not meant to be a video camera
Emmanuel Goldstein if its not meant for video why have 4k video? The GX8 is a camera first video camera second yet that has a mic input plus being weathersealed, better off buying a GX8 and a gimbal.
great review Mathie, been looking for gx85 review like this one. but still dont know which one to buy, the G7 , GX7 or GX85. does the IBIS & 5axis really bring significant result , or it just more gimmick. I love the G7 because the screen and input for external mic, but g7 lack the IBIS, meanwhile gx85 downside is lack of mic connector.
IBIS does make a difference yes. It's not as good as the Olympus IBIS but it definitely gives you something more than just optical stabilisation (and of course the advantage is even more relevant when using non stabilised lenses).
If you like the G7, design, perhaps you could consider the G85 which has the same design, mic input and IBIS.
yes G85 covered it all, IBIS, weather sealed, 4k video+mic input, but my budget is tight. which one will u suggest between G7 and GX85 , espc for traveling (for traveling documentation photo & video)
I would say go with the G7 for its extra video features and use a tripod for better stabilisation, or at least a monopod coupled with an OIS lens.
Would you pick this or the G7 (mainly for video)? The lack of a mic input and the Cine-like D profile is annoying. What do you think?
probably the G7 can be more versatile. The mic input is helpful if you don't want to record the audio on a separate device and I like the Cine-Like profile. The only real advantage of the GX85 is in-body stabilisation but it depends if you shoot a lot hand held or not (and you can always use a lens with OIS on the G7, not the same result but acceptable).
Hi and thanks!! Ok, then its gonna be that one:) what lenses do you recomend for it? Priceworth and good quality.
The 12-32mm kit lens is a good start. You might also like the 25mm 1.7 (very cheap) and 42.5 mm 1.7. They are very compact but with good sharpness, perfect for low light, portraits etc.
Hi again! Choosing between the 20 mm 1.7 or the 25 mm 1.7 that you suggested, which one do you think has most benefits? I also looked at the Sigma art 60 mm, what do you thin about that lens? And then there is the samyangs lenses, have any experience from those?. I think I`ll start with three lenses so what should you recommend in that case?
The Sigma art lenses are excellent. Stunning sharpness and very affordable price. The 60mm is probably the best because it's a good telephoto lens for portraits and gives you nice result at 2.8.
The 25mm is slightly fast with the AF in comparison to the 20mm, otherwise they are both excellent lenses. The 20mm is very compact so you can fit it everywhere really.
Nice review. A question for you. Stills from 4K footage are jpeg. I'm not great on the tech side, but is there any way that a .raw still could be pulled from 4K footage or am I missing something? I probably am.
The camera would need to record in Cinema DNG (RAW sequence for video) but that would be lots of GB to write every second.
Merci !
Excellent video. I spoke to Panasonic and they told me that 4K photo sequence composition and auto tracking. Is this the case? In addition have tried the gx9? What do you think?
I think the sequence composition mode is not available on the GX85. As for the GX9, I recently tried it. It's a good upgrade but the GX85 can be found for less money now.
Mathieu Gasquet strange its a 4K photo feature and they said that it works maybe is hoffen or need the software upgrade
Certainly possible, but the latest firmware update for the GX85 is more than one year old. Perhaps they will release a new one later on.
just bought this over the G7.
Great review, thank you! A question about the built-in flash, does it perform well (as much as an internal flash can)? I would use it for fill-in flash shots indoors with the head bounced upwards.
you can't tilt the head upwards, plus I don't think it would be powerful enough to give you good results. But it also depends how close the subject is, but if I were you I would invest in an external flash.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I can tilt the built-in flash upwards on my GX85 just as easily as on an LX15, RX100M & 4, Sony a6300, etc.
* microUSB charge ?
* does it save photo in date format such as 20160726_025343 ?
* how do you compare it to Olympus OM-D E-M10 II?
Thanks
Yes you can charge via USB. I don't think you can save files with date format.
The main difference with the E-M10 II is better video for the GX80 (4K, more options and settings, etc). The E-M10 II has a better viewfinder.
Thank you for such helpful review! Just a question that I am struggling on, I was planning to get the LX100 for daily and street photography, but then I just found out there is this GX80... It makes me so undecided now, which one should I go for?
The LX100 is a nice camera with an excellent lens. It doesn't have some of the features you can find in the GX80 (tilting screen, Dual IS etc) but I enjoyed using mine for several months and I did lots of videos with it as well. I sold it mainly because I review cameras and I can't keep everything :)
The GX80 gives you more flexibility if you want to use different lenses, that's the main difference so the decision factor should be: are you also interested in using telephoto lenses or extreme wide angle lenses. Would you prefer to work with fast prime lenses or the LX100 lens is enough for your needs?
Thanks a lot for the helpful reply :) I believe the GX80 is worth spending the extra bucks on. Especially after seeing the varieties of MFT lenses and the features that this camera brings, it is definitely worth investing in. Thanks again for your helpful review and reply!
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Ciao Mat, ti seguo sempre su i podcast di saggiamente, tra la gx80 è la g80 ci sono reali differenza, a parte la tropicalizzazione? Grazie
Ciao Alvaro, ci sono differenze sul design e l'ergonomia (il grip della G80 è più comodo con obiettivi più grossi) e anche sulla qualità del mirino (più grande sulla G80). Ovviamente la GX80 ha il vantaggio di essere più compatta. Sensore, AF e stabilizzazione sono identici. Anche la batteria se non ricordo male dura di più sulla G80.
I can't decide between this and PEN-F. The price difference isn't an issue but is it worth it?
I wrote an article about these two cameras, it might be of help: ;)
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-olympus/gx85-vs-pen-f/
Mathieu Gasquet thanks for sharing this with me. I guess I will go with Pen-F. Is there anything better in same price range and size? I have been doing lots of research and your reviews were the most helpful. Thanks again.
Thank you for the video. I'm using canon d700 for years now and I'm looking to move to a smaller size camera that has at least the same quality. I noticed that the sensor size in gx80 is smaller than the one I'm using now. How does this effect the quality?
Thank you
+danit elgev a larger sensor can give you more dynamic range and better high ISO performance but often the difference between APS-C and micro four thirds is not his huge. There is also the shallow depth of field factor: with the same aperture and field of view, you'll have a shallower result on the the Canon. One solution is to use fast primes on the GX80 which give you excellent results wide open already.
Which one is better deal between canon M50 and Panasonic gx85 for travel and family photography?
Thank you
I would choose the GX85. There is more lens choice, the camera has a lot of nice features and excellent image stabilisation. The M50 has a better autofocus however.
Hi! I want a second camera for using as a travel/onthegocamera. I have my another one when I do some photo works but a bit big to bring everyday and on travels. Im looking for a camera good in both stills and video but there is a jungle:) I had looked into to just start up with a GM1, kit with the 12-32 mm as many has liked that camera. But then after watching some reviews maybe the GX 80, the lx 100 or even the tz100 is an option. The LX 100 seems nice but misses some of the good stuff in the GX85. Do you think it comes a new LX model in september? Hope you can advise me here and thanks for all of your nice reviews.
Rumors suggest that a new LX camera is coming but even if it is true, between the announcement and the actual release, it probably won't be available before fall.
The GX85 has everything you need: good IQ, excellent video, in-body stabilization, small and compact. It's one of the best quality/price mirrorless camera on the market right now (all brands included).
Nice video!
I can trade a canon m with Meike adapter,50mm 1.8,55-250 is stm and a peak design clutch for a gx80.
should I do it??
has the shutter wheel stopped working properly yet like it has on my gx7 poor designed. not happy
Which one do you recommend to someone who use only manual settings on an really old lady (Leica V-lux 1, 2006) for landscapes, food photography, animals and portraits ? A GX80 or a G7 ?
The IQ is basically identical on both cameras. You get a little bit of extra sharpness with the GX80 because it lacks the AA filter. The G7 has a moe substantial grip, the GX80 is more recent and more advanced concerning certain features (5-axis stabilisation). This article could be of help as well:
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx85-vs-g7/
Finally i'll spend a little more and go with the GX8, thanks for your help and keep going.
Well done.
Tell me please. I want to buy a GX80 to shoot art videos for myself. Stimulated fotik. So, will the matrix stabilization of the GX80 work with lenses without O.I.S.? Or do you need a lens with O.I.S.?
The sensor stabilisation (5-axis) also works with olympus and panasonic lenses that lack OIS. You can even adapt third party lenses and still use in-body stabilisation (you need to set the focal length manually).
Hello sir! I'm trying to decide which to buy for my first camera, the GX8 or the GX80? Do you think the GX80 has a strong build quality? even without the weather-sealing. I know the stabilisation of the GX80 is slightly better than the GX8, but the weather-sealing was a big downgrade, for me. And from where I am from, I've been hearing that our customer service for Panasonic camera's really suck. hahaha! Please help :). Thank you!
+Luis Logarta the GX80 build quality is good so if you are just worried about that you should be fine. The IBIS is a excellent improvement. If you need weather sealing because of rain or other difficult conditions, the you'll be safer with the GX8.
Thank you sir! :). May I ask, what lens would you recommend for me sir? the best bang for buck lens :)
the 12-32mm kit lens is not bad for a start. Very compact with decent sharpness. Then there is also the Panasonic 14-140mm if you want an all purpose zoom lens for every situations. Or you can go with a fast prime lens like the Pana 25mm f/1.7 that you can also find at a very attractive price.
I think I'll go for the 25mm! Thank you so much for the help sir, much appreciated! :)
Good review. Would you still recommend this in sept. 2017 as a B camera to a GH4? $500 bucks is pretty tempting.
Sorry...referring to video of course. Will be using professionally as B camera...or is there something else in the price range ud suggst??
I think it's an excellent B camera. Small and compact but the quality is there. The only thing is that you don't have some picture profiles like Cine-Like D and V, and of course less video settings in comparison to the GH4. In the past I remember using the GH3 and GX7 side by side and it worked quite well.
Thanks for your reply. I have seen a couple of videos that show how to download Cine-Like D to the camera now. I ordered one and it is coming today! Should be a great addition to my Lumix collection.
Well I got one and put the Cin D and V profiles on it and I am very happy with it. Especially as a photo upgrade from my GH4
Panasonic GX8 or G85 with 12-32? What would you choose? Or the Panasonic GX85 wih 14-140?
Thanks! Im really doubting...
The G85 has the best ergonomics and is weather sealed. IQ is the same as the GX85 but the G85 has a larger EVF than the GX85. The GX85 however is smaller.
The GX8 has an excellent EVF but can suffer from shutter shock.
Mathieu Gasquet Thanks! I already found out about shutter shock, so I think it is a bit of a deal breaker. Thanks again! I think I will go for the G85 for the ergonomics and the viewfinder, also the back dial is much nicer. Thanks bro, and Nice review you have here!
Does it merge the postfocus images to get a fully focused shot? Or you have to join them later in lightroom?
you have to joined them later with Photoshop or a software that can do stacking like helicon focus
I'm looking for a travelling camera, would the Panasonic GX85 or the Panasonic GM1 be a better buy?
+Maisha X I would choose the GX85 for its video quality and 5-axis stabilization.
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