I believe that they heavily reference PM64 in the remake is to really tell that this game is a sequel for those who aren't familiar with the franchise.
@@mariotheundyingNintendo doesn’t care about them lol. The Expansion Pack isn’t worth it anyways. I never played Paper Mario 64 and will not for a while.
8:27 I love symbolism but I also think this is a huge stretch. My guess is super simple, Nintendo is just advertising the Peach and TEC side-plot, and hence the more emotional aspect of TTYD. This game can be pretty emotional outside of that side-plot, so I think it's a good thing to include in the trailer, but obviously not during the super hype, rapid-fire showcase of locations and set-pieces.
Yeah, like i said, i think it's a stretch myself haha, but i do agree with you that it's main purpose is to show the more heartfelt aspects of paper mario
I also think a reason they highlighted this scene was to show how these games' plots stray from the conventions of the mainline mario plot and play around with character dynamics we've never really seen in other mario properties.
@@jessicu511 ah yes, because a remake of a gamecube game needs to highlight that, especially when earlier in the direct they showed more Mario RPG remake stuff, the game where you have Bowser and Peach as active party members with Mario... yeah the Paper game that came after is the one breaking conventions
The pipe and house extension can easily be explained due to new aspect ratio, but other than that yeah these are all great points I hadn’t noticed. Great video!
While I agree that visually the first game deserves a remake more, it’s on NSO and every home console iteration of the virtual console. TTYD makes more sense for accessibility considering it has never been re-released and is currently stuck on the GameCube getting more and more expensive by the day.
Regarding AlphaDream skipping the Partners in Time remake, they were on the door to bankruptcy, and wanted to remake their most successful game for a better chance at staying afloat. The circumstances between that and skipping 64 are extremely different. God knows with how Fire Emblem has been doing Intelligent Systems isn't gonna go bankrupt anytime soon.
Also NSO has 64. I’m surprised no one’s mentioned that. The full priced remake doesn’t work while the original is on the same console. They gotta charge that, THEN put it on the paid service. Right, Link’s Awakening?
AlphaDream was not doing well, and died remaking a game for a system that was already gone at that point, but probably they were in too far to switch when they realized
As thrilled as I am about a TTYD remake, a Paper Mario 64 remake would send me over the moon. Also it would be insane if you could go between both worlds like Pokemon Gold/Silver lets you go between Kanto/Johto. It won't happen but I never even considered the possibility before this video and it would be so sick.
It would have to be implemented the same as gen 2 of pokemon - the other town(s) would just be a post game location, maybe with a few boss fights or tournament type challenges like another pit of 100 trials. Because it'd be jarring to switch between ttyd once you finish the story, just to basically play the first game in its intended story sequence.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and counter all of your points. 1. Paper Mario 64 is on NSO. I'm convinced with all the GCN games we're getting on Switch means NSO isn't getting GC games. That's why they skipped PM 64. 2. I'm also baffled by the PM 64 title theme in the trailer, but remember how Super Paper Mario had references to the two game's parties? And how that game also only had cameos to the previous two games? Yeah, these references don't necessarily guarantee anything because they didn't in the past. 3. 3:10 This is because the original's aspect ratio was smaller, but the remake is using widescreen, so more stuff will be on screen now. It's a classic thing that comes up a lot with pre-widescreen enhancements. You can notice this happening during other moments in the trailer too, like seeing Mario in the background of the Yoshi Egg scene where you couldn't see him originally. Same with "Mario" saying "WHAT DID YOU SAY?" You can't see anyone else in frame in the original but "Mario". 4. The addition to Mario's house I think is just them being more consistent with the original. A little nod to fans, but that's it. Believe me, I'd love a healthy portion of new stuff for the remake, but I don't think any of this points to 64 stuff specifically. That said, I'd love if all the 64 partners showed up at the very least. That'd be great to see finally happen.
Good points!! i really love PM64 so i'm just kinda latching on to all the references we saw in just this trailer alone lol. at the very least i do think that all the 64 partners showing up is probably what i'd like the most
I’ll never understand why they strayed so far from the formula of this game. It was perfection. I am so glad they brought it back. I can relive my childhood.
nintendo said they didn’t want to create a bunch of new mario characters for the ally characters for the game series so they stopped. also think they switched dev teams for the game.
@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 because if we’re honest people wouldn’t have been satisfied since they changed characters from games one and two. also there was a time where in mario world we really weren’t seeing a plethora of new people and PM was a back burner game. i thought they would reboot it bc of how complex the origami king characters were compared to those in the past lol i thought it was a dumb reason as well i think they just wanted the dev team to move to fire emblem and wario ware though if we’re being honest since that’s where they went next
I heard the PM64 theme in the trailer and wondered why nobody talked about it. Looks like people are starting to notice! Imagine if TTYD will secretly include the first game remade too… I’ve also imagined your idea about walking to the Toad Town port at the start of the game to get on the boat to rogueport, that would be so cool!!
You say that they’re not writing new dialogue for this, however they technically are. For English, and maybe even for languages absent from the OG release specifically. There’s already a few lines that while not too different fall more in line with the Japanese script, which seems perfectly in-tact looking at the JP trailer. And this has another note as while it’s hard to notice any changes comparable to that, the JP version is also the only version where TEC has the red eye mirroring HAL-9000. This means that they definitely are changing things to better fall in line with the JP version and script and are rewriting dialogue to better fit on top of any changes already.
If this remake decides to include the trans themes regarding Vivian present in the Japenese script, I'll be so happy! To see something like that present in a story, especially something as widely known as Mario, would be awesome
@@NapkinDictatorThere are no trans themes, her sisters called her a guy as an insult, as a way of saying she's ugly, adding with the numerous other examples where they ironically call Vivian ugly despite being the only pretty one. This myth needs to die.
I think the Peach and TEC scene at the end was meant to show how Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door wasn’t always exciting. It had its serious moments and the story got legitimately dark sometimes. The transition in tone (to me, at least) was supposed to show how despite all the fun, there was more than meets the eye with this game. It was an experience.
I don't think we're going to get a remake Paper Mario 64. I do think they are testing the waters to see if people want a new Paper Mario game made in the same style as Thousand-Year Door
I'm definitely getting this when it's available, I fell in love with the characters through let's plays but I've never had the means to actually play the game so I'm super excited for the release
The back room of the house is in TTYD fully modeled on the inside (objects included) during the intro/ending. (- the secret basement) I don't think the outside part being modeled means much of anything.
I wonder if its going to be a bundle of both games. And that's why its coming out in 2024. Because they remade the first game too. If that's the case. Then My guess is Hopefully if this is a bundle which would be monumental. And thats how they convinced miyamoto it would have "New content " in order for the game to be released, Then I have a feeling that Windwaker Hd and twiight HD Bundle Rumor wouldn't be so Far Fetched, as we all thought at first.
This will be one of the Switch's top 20 best-selling games, mark my words. TTYD fans. The millions of people who never had a Gamecube but have heard how beloved this game is. NSO users who played the original and now want to play the sequel. There is such a wide range of people who are dying to get their hands on this game, and otherwise would've had to pay outrageous prices for a Gamecube copy.
I feel the exact same way. It makes all the sense in the world to remake Paper Mario 64 then TTYD after but I understand why the sequel is being remade first. I know I’m wishing upon a star here but I’m hoping that Nintendo pulls a fast one on us during the next Direct in February 2024 while giving us more detail on the TTYD remake, they could totally catch us off guard after revealing the remake’s release date by saying something like “oh wait, there’s something else here we wish to share with you” with emphasis on the word “WISH” then the screen fades to black revealing the original Paper Mario game being remade as well with both games on one cartridge a la Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp
@@Krexxal Super Paper Mario can be better than the original Wii version if both Naohiko Aoyama and Yoichi Kotabe are involved in remaking it. I feel that the visuals in SPM are too blocky and pixelated which veers too far from the original paper aspect and if Naohiko Aoyama can update them to look papery and square that would be amazing! Yoichi Kotabe can update some of the character designs specifically the Koopa Troopas and Paratroopas of Bowser’s army seen in the cutscenes of the game, they were all green-shelled and generic looking compared to the first two games in the series. If Kotabe can change 1/2 of them to be red-shelled with the accessories on with the other half changed to Koopatrols and replace the generic Magikoopa standing next to Bowser (presumably Kamek) to Kammy Koopa that would rectify the nitpicks I had with the original game
@@Wario1382 hey, they released Pikmin 1 and 2 on the same cartridge so it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibilities. Plus bundling them together with a $60 price tag will definitely help in selling more copies!
what could maybe also be possible is that there is a small 64 campaign (like the delta episode in Pokemon ORAS), where we go back to the mushroom kingdom for some quest (most likely not all worlds will be accessible)
I know Luigi's adventure in TTYD was supposed to be a joke, but I would love if they made a Paper Luigi game based on that and potentially other stuff. Maybe just a game based on the stories Luigi tells as Luigi himself sees it?
A very simple reason for why the PM64 warp pipe to Toad Town and the "house extension" are visible, is because the original TTYD was in a 4:3 ratio, and the Switch remake is obviously in 16:9 wide-screen. (The footage you used in your video, from TTYD is stretched out to be wide-screen, but the game is not rendered that way.)
I think the biggest thing you missed off when saying about why they'd remake Thousand Year Door is that Thousand Year Door is so difficult to get now, Paper Mario's been on every home console since the Wii but to play Thousand Year Door you'd need a Gamecube copy and the price of those now is pretty insane. As for new elements, I want to be careful not to expect too much, but I think given there's a precedent with Lady Bow in the original game and that there were those unused textures for all the original partners it'd be great if we saw them all perhaps turn up in locations in the late game. Of course, the same argument could have been made for Superstar Saga with the Nintendo character cameos, although that might have been more difficult for them to put in anyway than characters from the first Paper Mario would be. I can see the argument it's needless fan service, but then the same could be said about Luigi's whole appearance in the original game with his stories that don't really affect the actual game's plot at all, having so much detail and 'lore' was one of the best things about the original Paper Mario games, like being able to tattle every single NPC and area you were in.
Very nice observations. I’ve always liked how the original three games in the series feel like part of the same established continuity, like each new game is another book in an ongoing series. Even minor things like Mario starting out with his hammer in TTYD and Jr. Troopa appearing in the background of a random email get the point across. Makes it feel like it’s the same Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Bowser across the three games.
That ending theory about us showing love for the game feels spot on! I mean ever since sticker star the whole community has been begging for an original Paper Mario! Time to show them this is what most people prefer with are Mario RPG titles. (the other games were fine, except color splash and sticker star)
I would love a way to return to Toad Town as potentially a post game area, having the Dojo available would be really cool. But they also just might extent the intro cutscene, where you actually see them walking through toad town similarly to the intro of the first game. I just really want to see Toad Town in HD lol
They 100% had paper mario 64 in consideration when they made this remake, but I wouldn't say its 100% sure we'll get more paper mario 64 stuff or paper mario 64 stuff in general yet, we'll see
Honestly, since its been so long, i didn’t even notice that was the theme to mario 64. Its actually really odd they chose that song considering ttyd has a plethora of amazing songs to also choose from. They had no reason to include it. Maybe its just an easter egg idk. But also having that picture of mario with his 64 teammates + showing the theme. They’re definitely doing a lot. Its not its to sell nso expansion pack or anything. Really hoping for a mario 64 remake! I think the reason they did ttyd is because it sold better but is also the fan favorite. This game is not beloved by paper mario fans but also mario fans in general. This is an extremely memorable game for a lot of people, even if its not even one of the best sold games. edit: and just to addon, i think they just added more references to paper mario 64 in ttyd. but nintendo has never done this for no reason, other than having 1 or 2 easter eggs. there’s deliberately multiple references to it
okay hear me out, what if they remade ttyd "first" as a way to reorder the games? like peach tells mario about this treasure map and he goes off with her to find the treasure, saving her from being the shadow queens vessel, then after they go back home to the mushroom kingdom, she invites them to a party at her castle where bowser shows up and starts the events of PM64 the only thing that breaks this is the picture of his old partners in the house, meaning it all already happened, could be a cool way to have them all linked more cohesively
*Fun Fact:* The original release of TTYD was supposed to have cameos from all the partners from the N64 game, but that idea got canned and only Lady Bow was left in.
0:25 Paper Mario is already available on the Switch just as it was on the Wii & WiiU. Thousand Year Door could be played on backwards compatible Wiis, but wasn't playable on the WiiU, just like every other Gamecube game. If they remade Paper Mario for Switch & not Thousand Year Door, we'd have 2 versions of Super Mario RPG, 2 versions of Paper Mario, & 0 versions of Thousand Year Door.
I mean, they did include PM64 in the NSO service, so Nintendo IS finally letting new fans play the old PM games on their newest console. It's not perfect, but at least the classic games are here, getting a decent ammount of exposure and being relatively easily accessible. Combined with the Mario RPG remake, I think this whole situation will at least spread awareness of Mario's old RPGs to new fans.
I wonder if they are going to use the framework of the TTYD remake to potentially remake 64 or use it for an original game for a quicker development schedule.
The toad town pipe is more apparent because the game is in wide screen. It might also be why the back of the house is visible. The switch isn’t in 4:3 aspect ratio
I’m curious if there was ever meant to be more to do with Mario’s house in the original game because Mario and Luigi’s bedroom was modeled in it, but you can’t ever see it in normal gameplay. (And there was even a drawing you couldn’t see in the room.) So, I’m curious how much of this new stuff has to do with things they wanted to implement before but just didn’t have time to. Also, about the pipe being more prominent in the trailer, I think that might just be a byproduct of the game being in widescreen now as opposed to purposefully making the pipe more visible. Same with the back of Mario and Luigi’s house. Doesn’t take away from the fact they’ve kept them consistent, though. Honestly, I’d love it if Toad Town was at least fully modeled and you could explore it, though. Having a short segment to actually GET to the boat by going to Toad Town Port, as you kind of suggested, would be SUPER fun. Especially if some of the old partners saw you off, but they had reasons they couldn’t go. Or maybe Mario just wanted them to keep an eye on the Mushroom Kingdom. I don’t think they’d do this, but it’d be super fun if there was a short post-game story with the old partners that took place in the Mushroom Kingdom that culminates in fighting a boss that references Super Paper Mario as a kind of foreshadowing. That’s just kind of a fun idea, but I’ll be super happy with the remake regardless! (Wouldn’t be opposed to a Paper Mario 64 remake eventually, though, since it’s my favorite Paper Mario game.)
Thousand Year Door lined up with sunshine with sunshine references. There's been so many mainline Mario games since then... Makes you wonder what they will do for the true Paper Mario 3. Galaxy references? Rosalina? Lumas? Cappy? Kingdom references? 3D World references. lol so much new stuff and then of course their original stuff as well.
I remember talking with my British Uncle about WHY I would buy a remake of a game I'd already played YEARS ago and why they're remaking it in the first place and I told him about improvements they make, changes and add-ons and for MANY people who grew up playing the series (I was 17 when it came out) they have children now and can introduce them to their favorite games in a way that won't make the kid go 'This is SO old!' and then said 'You can't honestly tell me that if they re-booted Mr. Bean you wouldn't be excited about it and watch it.'' and THAT is when it truly clicked for him. XD
I actually had the same thought regarding the TEC scene, but never really voiced it. We've gone back and forth with Nintendo on this for a while. It feels like a put up or shut up kind of moment. Which is cool. Worst case scenario is a TTYD remake, so still a great win.
Ok but, imagine if they remade Paper Mario 64 as a post game? You head back to the Mushroom Kingdom after sealing The Thousand Year Door, only to find that the Star Spirits disappeared?
Honestly, letting you explore the Toad Town in the Remake as a post-game content is probably the best choice to preserve PM64 content in HD. I doubt they gonna remake PM64 anytime soon, i think Intelligent System would like to make a new Paper Mario game for the Switch 2 after they're done with TTYD. If they're going to remake PM64, we probably need to keep watch if the original are missing on Switch 2's NSO. If that's the case then it's a repeat of TTYD remake, but on Switch 2
I think they're gonna let you return to Toad Town in the post-game, that's why they restored the back half of Mario's house, because it's now an actual location you can go to. I'm also hoping that after the final boss, the second photo from SPM will be there, the one with the TTYD partners.
Maybe they let us see Toad Town in the post game, but rather than teasing a remake of 64, it’s to tease the next new paper Mario game. Maybe the next game will take us back to Toad Town and some of the locations from 64.
Funny you mention that they played the paper Mario 64 theme cause I love that theme and because of hearing it I originally thought we were getting a 64 remake
Honestly, I think why they started with thousand year door is because the original paper mario is on the N64 expansion pass. So if they remade it they'd only be undercutting the expansion pass members a bit.
That’s where that song came from! When I watched the reveal, I heard that Paper Mario 64 theme and saw Mario’s house and for a second I thought “Wait, is this actually a 64 remake?” Glad to know I haven’t forgotten the TTYD soundtrack
When I heard the 64 theme I thought it was 64! Until it switched to actually being TTYD. This is huge copium but something tells me we will get 64 areas as a secret post game reward somehow
I thought they showed TEC to show their (its?) Red Eye. In the international GCN version, TEC's eye was Blue. I'm not sure if this was to make them seem more approachable (Red Eyes = "evil") or to cover up a Space Odyssey reference, but to me, showing TEC's eye as Red could be a hint at certain other things being uncensored.
I believe they showed the tec peach thing at the end cause tec didn’t have the red light lens in the original game that was exclusive to the Japanese version. Probably meaning that the game won’t be censored maybe?
I hope they remake the original Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario after this one, since those two are usually considered the best games after TTYD. At the very least they have enough interesting content to be considered worth preserving. Then we can get the whole clasic trilogy looking the best possible with updated graphics and being easilly accessible.
If you recall past remasters of Nintendo games it is perfectly plausible for this game to have additional content even if it's something smaller like accessing Toad Town from Paper Mario 64. Super Mario RPG is getting remastered in a very similar fashion with it remaining faithful to the original and mainly being a graphics overhaul, but offers new battle mechanics like the party specials and boss rematches. Oot 3D added boss rush and brought back masterquest. Majora's Mask 3D made tweaks and changed how you fought bosses (mostly all changes for the worse though) Wind Waker HD made some tweaks like the fast sail and bottle messages. Twilight Princess HD added a new cave of ordeals for Wolf Link A bit of a different situation but Mario 64 DS added a ton of content. Probably many other examples I can't recall.
also Majoras Mask 3D brought two fishing zones. I recall also hearing that fishing was intended in the original but was scrapped due to time constraints.
Glad I'm not the only one that had a far stretched suspicion of a double remake. Honestly it would be a kick ass master move for Nintendo to remake the more popular fan favourite game and fish the hype from that and then unveil a double whammy sometime next year with 64.
I know that this video is 6 months old but I don't think that the first game needs a remake more. And the only reason for it is that you basically could legally play this game on the Wii, Wii U and the Switch. Whereas the only legal way to play Paper Mario 2 is by owning the original Gamecube copy which nowdays is extremly expensive.
I believe that they heavily reference PM64 in the remake is to really tell that this game is a sequel for those who aren't familiar with the franchise.
could be!
but you need to already be familiar with the franchise to get these references.
@@fab2185the 64 game is in the NSO Expansion pass, so people would be more likely to understand the references.
@@michaelthex2684 what about people who don't have NSO
@@mariotheundyingNintendo doesn’t care about them lol. The Expansion Pack isn’t worth it anyways. I never played Paper Mario 64 and will not for a while.
I hope that by the end of the ttyd, you can talk to all the original partners like Bow like they originally planned
maybe some special trouble center troubles where you get to go on mini-missions with them
I'm still just hoping they add Paper Luigi as a post game
8:27 I love symbolism but I also think this is a huge stretch. My guess is super simple, Nintendo is just advertising the Peach and TEC side-plot, and hence the more emotional aspect of TTYD. This game can be pretty emotional outside of that side-plot, so I think it's a good thing to include in the trailer, but obviously not during the super hype, rapid-fire showcase of locations and set-pieces.
Yeah, like i said, i think it's a stretch myself haha, but i do agree with you that it's main purpose is to show the more heartfelt aspects of paper mario
I also think a reason they highlighted this scene was to show how these games' plots stray from the conventions of the mainline mario plot and play around with character dynamics we've never really seen in other mario properties.
@@jessicu511 ah yes, because a remake of a gamecube game needs to highlight that, especially when earlier in the direct they showed more Mario RPG remake stuff, the game where you have Bowser and Peach as active party members with Mario... yeah the Paper game that came after is the one breaking conventions
Most likely. But at the same time. It could be one of those things with an obvious surface reading, but looking deeper, if you know, you know.
@BaconNuke this comment is so bitter and condenscending without having a real point. U stink lol
The pipe and house extension can easily be explained due to new aspect ratio, but other than that yeah these are all great points I hadn’t noticed. Great video!
While I agree that visually the first game deserves a remake more, it’s on NSO and every home console iteration of the virtual console. TTYD makes more sense for accessibility considering it has never been re-released and is currently stuck on the GameCube getting more and more expensive by the day.
exactly
It would have been so cool if they did a “Paper Mario all stars” type thing and remade the first 3 games together.
No because people would find something to be unhappy at like with super mario 3d all stars
I doubt they’d want to remake the 3rd game since it got mixed reviews and strayed away from what most people wanted in the series.
I can probably see them remaster Super Paper Mario instead with upscaled textures.@@Masked_Mastermind
@@Masked_Mastermind People still liked super paper Mario a lot though and the story is one of the best in the series
@@envviro Yeah, but even though people liked that game it’s still not what most people wanted from the series.
Regarding AlphaDream skipping the Partners in Time remake, they were on the door to bankruptcy, and wanted to remake their most successful game for a better chance at staying afloat. The circumstances between that and skipping 64 are extremely different. God knows with how Fire Emblem has been doing Intelligent Systems isn't gonna go bankrupt anytime soon.
Also NSO has 64. I’m surprised no one’s mentioned that. The full priced remake doesn’t work while the original is on the same console. They gotta charge that, THEN put it on the paid service. Right, Link’s Awakening?
@@robertlauncher Or include Super Mario 64 in Mario 3D All Stars then add it to NSO after delisting it.
@@crumpscrumbsYyyyyep!
Wait is Intelligent Systems not doing too well or something??
AlphaDream was not doing well, and died remaking a game for a system that was already gone at that point, but probably they were in too far to switch when they realized
As thrilled as I am about a TTYD remake, a Paper Mario 64 remake would send me over the moon. Also it would be insane if you could go between both worlds like Pokemon Gold/Silver lets you go between Kanto/Johto. It won't happen but I never even considered the possibility before this video and it would be so sick.
It would have to be implemented the same as gen 2 of pokemon - the other town(s) would just be a post game location, maybe with a few boss fights or tournament type challenges like another pit of 100 trials. Because it'd be jarring to switch between ttyd once you finish the story, just to basically play the first game in its intended story sequence.
I really hope for a 64 remake in this style!!
I double hope they increase the BP stat for the remake
@@Elite_Teach There's a mod called 'paper mario ttyd 64', it's pretty cool
I thought it was a duo remake first time i saw it, was mildly dissapointed
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and counter all of your points.
1. Paper Mario 64 is on NSO. I'm convinced with all the GCN games we're getting on Switch means NSO isn't getting GC games. That's why they skipped PM 64.
2. I'm also baffled by the PM 64 title theme in the trailer, but remember how Super Paper Mario had references to the two game's parties? And how that game also only had cameos to the previous two games? Yeah, these references don't necessarily guarantee anything because they didn't in the past.
3. 3:10 This is because the original's aspect ratio was smaller, but the remake is using widescreen, so more stuff will be on screen now. It's a classic thing that comes up a lot with pre-widescreen enhancements. You can notice this happening during other moments in the trailer too, like seeing Mario in the background of the Yoshi Egg scene where you couldn't see him originally. Same with "Mario" saying "WHAT DID YOU SAY?" You can't see anyone else in frame in the original but "Mario".
4. The addition to Mario's house I think is just them being more consistent with the original. A little nod to fans, but that's it.
Believe me, I'd love a healthy portion of new stuff for the remake, but I don't think any of this points to 64 stuff specifically. That said, I'd love if all the 64 partners showed up at the very least. That'd be great to see finally happen.
Good points!! i really love PM64 so i'm just kinda latching on to all the references we saw in just this trailer alone lol. at the very least i do think that all the 64 partners showing up is probably what i'd like the most
Counter to your counterpoint 1
Super Mario 64 is in NSO despite being in a collection exclusive for Switch. Weird, huh
@leonmystique9372 ah, yes the collection that is no longer available to purchase digitally. Huh so weird
@@leonmystique9372 3D All Stars was delisted from the eShop, plus that and the NSO version are two separate versions for whatever that is worth.
I’ll never understand why they strayed so far from the formula of this game. It was perfection. I am so glad they brought it back. I can relive my childhood.
nintendo said they didn’t want to create a bunch of new mario characters for the ally characters for the game series so they stopped. also think they switched dev teams for the game.
If that was the case why couldn't they reuse the characters from the older games then? Doesn't seem to be using any "new" characters
@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 because if we’re honest people wouldn’t have been satisfied since they changed characters from games one and two. also there was a time where in mario world we really weren’t seeing a plethora of new people and PM was a back burner game. i thought they would reboot it bc of how complex the origami king characters were compared to those in the past lol
i thought it was a dumb reason as well i think they just wanted the dev team to move to fire emblem and wario ware though if we’re being honest since that’s where they went next
I heard the PM64 theme in the trailer and wondered why nobody talked about it. Looks like people are starting to notice! Imagine if TTYD will secretly include the first game remade too…
I’ve also imagined your idea about walking to the Toad Town port at the start of the game to get on the boat to rogueport, that would be so cool!!
If this is the case I think the internet will break 😂
That’d be an amazing reveal. “Oh by the way, Paper Mario 64 remake included too.” type of announcement in a no big deal kind of way.
And not charge another $60? Lol
You say that they’re not writing new dialogue for this, however they technically are. For English, and maybe even for languages absent from the OG release specifically. There’s already a few lines that while not too different fall more in line with the Japanese script, which seems perfectly in-tact looking at the JP trailer. And this has another note as while it’s hard to notice any changes comparable to that, the JP version is also the only version where TEC has the red eye mirroring HAL-9000. This means that they definitely are changing things to better fall in line with the JP version and script and are rewriting dialogue to better fit on top of any changes already.
If this remake decides to include the trans themes regarding Vivian present in the Japenese script, I'll be so happy! To see something like that present in a story, especially something as widely known as Mario, would be awesome
@@NapkinDictatorsame. I mean we got Birdo already, but it’s never a topic that comes up so that would be cool
@@geschnitztekiste4111Birdo also sucks
@@NapkinDictatorThere are no trans themes, her sisters called her a guy as an insult, as a way of saying she's ugly, adding with the numerous other examples where they ironically call Vivian ugly despite being the only pretty one.
This myth needs to die.
@@NapkinDictator birdo...
I think the Peach and TEC scene at the end was meant to show how Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door wasn’t always exciting. It had its serious moments and the story got legitimately dark sometimes. The transition in tone (to me, at least) was supposed to show how despite all the fun, there was more than meets the eye with this game. It was an experience.
I don't think we're going to get a remake Paper Mario 64. I do think they are testing the waters to see if people want a new Paper Mario game made in the same style as Thousand-Year Door
I think we'll get it eventually. Maybe not for another twenty years, but it'll happen.
I would bet money that once the TTYD remake sells well then they’ll start working on m Paper Mario 64
I think you’re pretty spot on, including the ending. Never played a Paper Mario, but may actually support this one.
I'm definitely getting this when it's available, I fell in love with the characters through let's plays but I've never had the means to actually play the game so I'm super excited for the release
Same I've always loved this game (through CZcams videos), but never could actually play it
Yeah! Just wish they could remake my favorite games ( Like Mario & Luigi RPGs ) very sooner than later.
Wait no because why does this actually line up
Pardon?
The back room of the house is in TTYD fully modeled on the inside (objects included) during the intro/ending. (- the secret basement)
I don't think the outside part being modeled means much of anything.
Bro this was an excellent video and analysis. I really liked your take on that final peach scene with TEC and what it could mean.
I suspect a new classic paper mario will be inevitable if this game sells well.
Definitely, even on the off-chance that a PM64 remake is coming, I wouldn't expect it until after an actual new game first
I wonder if its going to be a bundle of both games. And that's why its coming out in 2024. Because they remade the first game too. If that's the case. Then My guess is Hopefully if this is a bundle which would be monumental. And thats how they convinced miyamoto it would have "New content " in order for the game to be released, Then I have a feeling that Windwaker Hd and twiight HD Bundle Rumor wouldn't be so Far Fetched, as we all thought at first.
Have a tinfoil hat feeling that they might be adding the 64 party as ublockable extra characters in TTYD remake
Not sure about that, but it'd be cool!!
This will be one of the Switch's top 20 best-selling games, mark my words.
TTYD fans. The millions of people who never had a Gamecube but have heard how beloved this game is. NSO users who played the original and now want to play the sequel. There is such a wide range of people who are dying to get their hands on this game, and otherwise would've had to pay outrageous prices for a Gamecube copy.
Im gonna continue to live in delusions and expect this to be a 2in1 and that its gonna be a remake of the original as well... watch
I feel the exact same way. It makes all the sense in the world to remake Paper Mario 64 then TTYD after but I understand why the sequel is being remade first. I know I’m wishing upon a star here but I’m hoping that Nintendo pulls a fast one on us during the next Direct in February 2024 while giving us more detail on the TTYD remake, they could totally catch us off guard after revealing the remake’s release date by saying something like “oh wait, there’s something else here we wish to share with you” with emphasis on the word “WISH” then the screen fades to black revealing the original Paper Mario game being remade as well with both games on one cartridge a la Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp
Don’t forget Super!
@@Krexxal Super Paper Mario can be better than the original Wii version if both Naohiko Aoyama and Yoichi Kotabe are involved in remaking it. I feel that the visuals in SPM are too blocky and pixelated which veers too far from the original paper aspect and if Naohiko Aoyama can update them to look papery and square that would be amazing! Yoichi Kotabe can update some of the character designs specifically the Koopa Troopas and Paratroopas of Bowser’s army seen in the cutscenes of the game, they were all green-shelled and generic looking compared to the first two games in the series. If Kotabe can change 1/2 of them to be red-shelled with the accessories on with the other half changed to Koopatrols and replace the generic Magikoopa standing next to Bowser (presumably Kamek) to Kammy Koopa that would rectify the nitpicks I had with the original game
Lmao like greedy Nintendo would ever do anything like that.
@@Wario1382 hey, they released Pikmin 1 and 2 on the same cartridge so it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibilities. Plus bundling them together with a $60 price tag will definitely help in selling more copies!
what could maybe also be possible is that there is a small 64 campaign (like the delta episode in Pokemon ORAS), where we go back to the mushroom kingdom for some quest (most likely not all worlds will be accessible)
I know Luigi's adventure in TTYD was supposed to be a joke, but I would love if they made a Paper Luigi game based on that and potentially other stuff.
Maybe just a game based on the stories Luigi tells as Luigi himself sees it?
A very simple reason for why the PM64 warp pipe to Toad Town and the "house extension" are visible, is because the original TTYD was in a 4:3 ratio, and the Switch remake is obviously in 16:9 wide-screen.
(The footage you used in your video, from TTYD is stretched out to be wide-screen, but the game is not rendered that way.)
I think the biggest thing you missed off when saying about why they'd remake Thousand Year Door is that Thousand Year Door is so difficult to get now, Paper Mario's been on every home console since the Wii but to play Thousand Year Door you'd need a Gamecube copy and the price of those now is pretty insane. As for new elements, I want to be careful not to expect too much, but I think given there's a precedent with Lady Bow in the original game and that there were those unused textures for all the original partners it'd be great if we saw them all perhaps turn up in locations in the late game. Of course, the same argument could have been made for Superstar Saga with the Nintendo character cameos, although that might have been more difficult for them to put in anyway than characters from the first Paper Mario would be. I can see the argument it's needless fan service, but then the same could be said about Luigi's whole appearance in the original game with his stories that don't really affect the actual game's plot at all, having so much detail and 'lore' was one of the best things about the original Paper Mario games, like being able to tattle every single NPC and area you were in.
Very nice observations. I’ve always liked how the original three games in the series feel like part of the same established continuity, like each new game is another book in an ongoing series. Even minor things like Mario starting out with his hammer in TTYD and Jr. Troopa appearing in the background of a random email get the point across. Makes it feel like it’s the same Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Bowser across the three games.
That ending theory about us showing love for the game feels spot on! I mean ever since sticker star the whole community has been begging for an original Paper Mario! Time to show them this is what most people prefer with are Mario RPG titles. (the other games were fine, except color splash and sticker star)
I would love a way to return to Toad Town as potentially a post game area, having the Dojo available would be really cool.
But they also just might extent the intro cutscene, where you actually see them walking through toad town similarly to the intro of the first game. I just really want to see Toad Town in HD lol
Hey everyone, we all gotta buy the game when it comes out! We gotta show them that this is the paper Mario style that we want. It has to sell well
They 100% had paper mario 64 in consideration when they made this remake, but I wouldn't say its 100% sure we'll get more paper mario 64 stuff or paper mario 64 stuff in general yet, we'll see
Honestly, since its been so long, i didn’t even notice that was the theme to mario 64. Its actually really odd they chose that song considering ttyd has a plethora of amazing songs to also choose from. They had no reason to include it. Maybe its just an easter egg idk. But also having that picture of mario with his 64 teammates + showing the theme. They’re definitely doing a lot. Its not its to sell nso expansion pack or anything.
Really hoping for a mario 64 remake! I think the reason they did ttyd is because it sold better but is also the fan favorite. This game is not beloved by paper mario fans but also mario fans in general. This is an extremely memorable game for a lot of people, even if its not even one of the best sold games.
edit: and just to addon, i think they just added more references to paper mario 64 in ttyd. but nintendo has never done this for no reason, other than having 1 or 2 easter eggs. there’s deliberately multiple references to it
For the Mario Bros. house seeing more might just be because its in widescreen, so it has to show more then the gamecube original
Great video analysis, I had the same thought about the trailer’s ending scene. Nice OC in your channel’s icon, by the way.
hey thanks!!
I’m theorizing that they actually have paper Mario 64 hidden after you beat TTYD as an unlockable. They only marketed as TTYD for sales
When I watched the trailer for this, I cried. Never have I been so excited for a video game in my whole life ever. I'm extremely happy
When you CZcams algorithms works well... I tell ya.
I'm buying two copies. This is my favourite game of all time.
Toad town post game would be epic
This game better sales well if it don't then I don't want to see nobody complaining if the next paper Mario experimental
That's true it would make sense to refine ttyd and then carry over the assets and refined code to pm64 remake
okay hear me out, what if they remade ttyd "first" as a way to reorder the games? like peach tells mario about this treasure map and he goes off with her to find the treasure, saving her from being the shadow queens vessel, then after they go back home to the mushroom kingdom, she invites them to a party at her castle where bowser shows up and starts the events of PM64
the only thing that breaks this is the picture of his old partners in the house, meaning it all already happened, could be a cool way to have them all linked more cohesively
*Fun Fact:* The original release of TTYD was supposed to have cameos from all the partners from the N64 game, but that idea got canned and only Lady Bow was left in.
Parakarry is still seen delivering a letter at the game’s beginning
I thought same aswell on the The tec part and still thinks it
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Paper Mario is already available on the Switch just as it was on the Wii & WiiU.
Thousand Year Door could be played on backwards compatible Wiis, but wasn't playable on the WiiU, just like every other Gamecube game.
If they remade Paper Mario for Switch & not Thousand Year Door, we'd have 2 versions of Super Mario RPG, 2 versions of Paper Mario, & 0 versions of Thousand Year Door.
I think the reason paper Mario 64 wasn’t remade is because it’s already on switch online
I mean, they did include PM64 in the NSO service, so Nintendo IS finally letting new fans play the old PM games on their newest console.
It's not perfect, but at least the classic games are here, getting a decent ammount of exposure and being relatively easily accessible.
Combined with the Mario RPG remake, I think this whole situation will at least spread awareness of Mario's old RPGs to new fans.
I wonder if they are going to use the framework of the TTYD remake to potentially remake 64 or use it for an original game for a quicker development schedule.
Getting Paper Mario 64 cameos would be amazing. I really hope they remake 64 like this someday too.
The toad town pipe is more apparent because the game is in wide screen. It might also be why the back of the house is visible. The switch isn’t in 4:3 aspect ratio
I’m curious if there was ever meant to be more to do with Mario’s house in the original game because Mario and Luigi’s bedroom was modeled in it, but you can’t ever see it in normal gameplay. (And there was even a drawing you couldn’t see in the room.) So, I’m curious how much of this new stuff has to do with things they wanted to implement before but just didn’t have time to.
Also, about the pipe being more prominent in the trailer, I think that might just be a byproduct of the game being in widescreen now as opposed to purposefully making the pipe more visible. Same with the back of Mario and Luigi’s house. Doesn’t take away from the fact they’ve kept them consistent, though. Honestly, I’d love it if Toad Town was at least fully modeled and you could explore it, though.
Having a short segment to actually GET to the boat by going to Toad Town Port, as you kind of suggested, would be SUPER fun. Especially if some of the old partners saw you off, but they had reasons they couldn’t go. Or maybe Mario just wanted them to keep an eye on the Mushroom Kingdom.
I don’t think they’d do this, but it’d be super fun if there was a short post-game story with the old partners that took place in the Mushroom Kingdom that culminates in fighting a boss that references Super Paper Mario as a kind of foreshadowing. That’s just kind of a fun idea, but I’ll be super happy with the remake regardless! (Wouldn’t be opposed to a Paper Mario 64 remake eventually, though, since it’s my favorite Paper Mario game.)
Thousand Year Door lined up with sunshine with sunshine references. There's been so many mainline Mario games since then... Makes you wonder what they will do for the true Paper Mario 3. Galaxy references? Rosalina? Lumas? Cappy? Kingdom references? 3D World references. lol so much new stuff and then of course their original stuff as well.
If this is true it would be a very insane move
Wow. I didnt notice a few of these things. I really hope they consider 64 as a remake too. Also a post game like you say would be awesome as well
I'd just be happy if it was only TTYD being remade. But if there's any bonus stuff then that's fine
I remember talking with my British Uncle about WHY I would buy a remake of a game I'd already played YEARS ago and why they're remaking it in the first place and I told him about improvements they make, changes and add-ons and for MANY people who grew up playing the series (I was 17 when it came out) they have children now and can introduce them to their favorite games in a way that won't make the kid go 'This is SO old!' and then said 'You can't honestly tell me that if they re-booted Mr. Bean you wouldn't be excited about it and watch it.'' and THAT is when it truly clicked for him. XD
64 remake would be great. TTYD looked so good already if they remade the 64 one be really noticeable difference
Great commentary dude!
I actually had the same thought regarding the TEC scene, but never really voiced it. We've gone back and forth with Nintendo on this for a while. It feels like a put up or shut up kind of moment. Which is cool. Worst case scenario is a TTYD remake, so still a great win.
Ok but, imagine if they remade Paper Mario 64 as a post game? You head back to the Mushroom Kingdom after sealing The Thousand Year Door, only to find that the Star Spirits disappeared?
partners in time remake with new post-game content as our next Mario RPG, you heard it here first 🍄
Honestly, letting you explore the Toad Town in the Remake as a post-game content is probably the best choice to preserve PM64 content in HD.
I doubt they gonna remake PM64 anytime soon, i think Intelligent System would like to make a new Paper Mario game for the Switch 2 after they're done with TTYD.
If they're going to remake PM64, we probably need to keep watch if the original are missing on Switch 2's NSO. If that's the case then it's a repeat of TTYD remake, but on Switch 2
I think they're gonna let you return to Toad Town in the post-game, that's why they restored the back half of Mario's house, because it's now an actual location you can go to.
I'm also hoping that after the final boss, the second photo from SPM will be there, the one with the TTYD partners.
Maybe they let us see Toad Town in the post game, but rather than teasing a remake of 64, it’s to tease the next new paper Mario game. Maybe the next game will take us back to Toad Town and some of the locations from 64.
Imagine if at release they were like SIKE, it wasnt just a remake of ttyd, it also includes a remake of the OG paper Mario
We did it paper mario fans rise up! Heres to remaking the 64 game aswell cheers!
The war isn't over yet we got to wait until sales, cuz money do the talkin
Paper Mario 64 is on NSO, which they might think is enough for that game.
If they pull a Pokémon gold/silver that would be pretty crazy. Don’t have any hopes for this but it would blow me away
I would love a 64 remake with ADDITIONS. For example, the cloud area above Flower Fields is literally only 3 screens.
You could add more badges.
Funny you mention that they played the paper Mario 64 theme cause I love that theme and because of hearing it I originally thought we were getting a 64 remake
Paper Mario 64 wasn’t remade first, because it’s on NSO
I think it's possible that we could get a 64 remake as $20 or $30 DLC. Later for the Switch 2 it could be resold as TTYD + Paper Mario 64 remastered
Weirdest take
I think they just skipped it because it's on NSO.
I think the pipe is just new aspect ratio
and house is attention to detail
certainly helping for a lot of paper mario 64 stuff
One thing I hope to see is the return of Emergency Rations from SPM as they would make getting through the Pit way easier
It’s also the 20 year anniversary for thousand year door so that’s probably why
I actually think Origami King was the test, and it passed. Leading to where we're at now
I also gotta applaud people for not folding (heh) and showing Nintendo that Splash,sticker, and origami was not the way to go
They could be adding some kind of prolouge quest where you could explore toadtown to find a boat ticket to rougeport.
I would love that!!
Honestly, I think why they started with thousand year door is because the original paper mario is on the N64 expansion pass. So if they remade it they'd only be undercutting the expansion pass members a bit.
It would be cool if Mario’s house/toad town are accessible in the remake. That might be what they are hinting at
Paper Mario 64 is also available on Switch Online already, so they probably figured it's still accessible.
That’s where that song came from! When I watched the reveal, I heard that Paper Mario 64 theme and saw Mario’s house and for a second I thought “Wait, is this actually a 64 remake?”
Glad to know I haven’t forgotten the TTYD soundtrack
paper mario 64 is on nintendo switch online so it makes sense they wouldn't put pretty much the same game on the same console.
I keep hearing that they shouldve remade the first game initially. They are, mario RPG is the real first game.
Damn you got me there
When I heard the 64 theme I thought it was 64! Until it switched to actually being TTYD. This is huge copium but something tells me we will get 64 areas as a secret post game reward somehow
if they do any kind of 2 in 1 i want that luigi story made into its own thing
I thought they showed TEC to show their (its?) Red Eye. In the international GCN version, TEC's eye was Blue. I'm not sure if this was to make them seem more approachable (Red Eyes = "evil") or to cover up a Space Odyssey reference, but to me, showing TEC's eye as Red could be a hint at certain other things being uncensored.
Legit thought they were making remakes of all 3 games in like an all stars because of the paper mario 64 music they used in the beginning.
I think more then anything it might just have all the cut partners from 64 scattered around in the end game instead of just Bow.
I believe they showed the tec peach thing at the end cause tec didn’t have the red light lens in the original game that was exclusive to the Japanese version. Probably meaning that the game won’t be censored maybe?
I hope they remake the original Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario after this one, since those two are usually considered the best games after TTYD. At the very least they have enough interesting content to be considered worth preserving.
Then we can get the whole clasic trilogy looking the best possible with updated graphics and being easilly accessible.
If you recall past remasters of Nintendo games it is perfectly plausible for this game to have additional content even if it's something smaller like accessing Toad Town from Paper Mario 64.
Super Mario RPG is getting remastered in a very similar fashion with it remaining faithful to the original and mainly being a graphics overhaul, but offers new battle mechanics like the party specials and boss rematches.
Oot 3D added boss rush and brought back masterquest.
Majora's Mask 3D made tweaks and changed how you fought bosses (mostly all changes for the worse though)
Wind Waker HD made some tweaks like the fast sail and bottle messages.
Twilight Princess HD added a new cave of ordeals for Wolf Link
A bit of a different situation but Mario 64 DS added a ton of content.
Probably many other examples I can't recall.
the miitopia remake added new stuff to the post-game along with adding a horse to the game
also Majoras Mask 3D brought two fishing zones. I recall also hearing that fishing was intended in the original but was scrapped due to time constraints.
Glad I'm not the only one that had a far stretched suspicion of a double remake. Honestly it would be a kick ass master move for Nintendo to remake the more popular fan favourite game and fish the hype from that and then unveil a double whammy sometime next year with 64.
In the end of the remake, Parakarry appears at the beginning of the credits. The original NEVER did that. PM64 Remake confirmed???
I know that this video is 6 months old but I don't think that the first game needs a remake more. And the only reason for it is that you basically could legally play this game on the Wii, Wii U and the Switch. Whereas the only legal way to play Paper Mario 2 is by owning the original Gamecube copy which nowdays is extremly expensive.