New Orbea Rise Hydro. Cheaper, Under 20KG and bigger battery
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2021
- Orbea Rise M10 Hydro vs Rise M10 Custom - barely any weight difference at all when you add the range extender to the original Carbon rise!
Orbea Rise Hydro H10 is £6099 + £135 upgrade to the Fox 36 Factory fork.
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OBVIOUSLY we want a video comparing them while riding. LOL
Wow really banging out these new bike reviews!
Surely the go to emtb channel on the Web now👍
My M-Team Carbon Raw has just been delivered yesterday : it’s already Christmas 🤪🎄!! Thanks Rob for your videos 👍 !!!
What a sweet bike! Wished it released a month ago, due to the eMTB shortages decided to purchase a normal Spectral CF 9, now this one appears to be already available in February! Gotta do some turbo saving!
Thanks for weighing these. It's nice to know what you get for the price points!
Still not regretting buying my carbon Focus a few years ago now. 19kg with a full fat motor after a few hundred in upgrades on a mid £3k sale bike. 140/150 travel.
I have the M20, and 60nm is more than enough once you adjust to the cadence required for optimal efficiency. Wish I'd waited for this with the 540 battery
I just received my full fat orbea wild fs and loving it but not the UK mud makes me want to cry.Great video thanks.
Interesting comment on the YT Decoy when the Decoy MX Core 4 is 21.7kg for a full fat ebike. Seeing how the new hydro stacks up against the rise and then the Decoy (if YT will lend you one) will be amazing, given the price range across the three. The Hydro looks the nuts though
Very relevant bike, especially for the lighter rider. Hey… nice to see you’re getting towards 100,000 subscribers.
Your reviews are perfect, not a hint of bias, just facts for us to process a d make our own decisions with. Keep it up Rob.
I can't think of any mtb reviews that have bias.
Amazing value and first E options for all the people looking to sell the regular bike...
That's it it's done I'm getting my Rise H-15 next April!!!
Great review! Thanks for that!
I guarantee they will sell out. If a hadn’t already modded out my trek rail I would buy the rise. What a sweet looking bike.
I ordered mine yesterday, H15 with the 150 fork. Should be with me by end of April, love that colorway. Would love to see and hear your thoughts on it.
Seems as though Orbea gave some buyers an incentive to go with the Hydro v.s. Carbon. Either-way the the Hydro seems like an incredible machine. Thanks for the video!
yes, absolutely Rob!!! We're content-hungry!!
Yes please a field comparison!
FYI the retail bikes come with a e7000 screen included. I saw the h30 with one yesterday. The dealer was surprised as they didn't know. However it is listed on orbea main product page.
Hi Rob, I am looking at H10 v M10, appreciate the video and would be very interested in a ride comparison between the two 👍
That's what this video basically is. The only difference between the H models is the components.
I was not expecting that! 👍
Test of the new Rise Hydra please Rob, as I’ve just ordered mine 👍
Great stuff! Can you do a vid on testing the Orbea transmission against steep technical small size rocks boulder garden uphill. I’m wondering about the cadence needs during slow powerful balanced peddling. Like East Coast US Appalachian Mtn trails. Thanks. I think your approach is the best.
Having an H30 built up right now, but swapping parts from an old bike, a Factory 38 160mm, Factory DPX2, Code Rs (220F/200R rotors), Reserve 30 wheels w/ 350 hubs, and Reverb 200mm dropper, should be quite the beast. Stoked.
In other words, more videos/review on the H10!
What's the weight? I want to do a similar build.
@@kbc258 Don't know yet, but it'll be complete in a few days. I'll weigh and reply to your comment then. It will be an XL frame though.
That’s the way to go🤘
Let us know the weight🤘
@@BobbyThunderbird I'll be doing pretty much the same. But forks at 170 and rear changed to 162 with an offset bushing and 8.5x 2.5 shock. Mine is an XL too, so please lets us know your weight when you get it in. Mine comes in 2 weeks
Yes, please make the comparison!
Ride and compare for sure !!!
Yup. need a test on both of them:-)
Such a sick bike!
Just ordered an H15, can’t wait to see if the “trail” bike is as capable as all the rise reviews suggest. It’s actually same Head angle as both my current bikes. SC Bronson and Vitus E-Sommet. So expect it will handle the rough stuff no bother!
That bike has the best spec of the range IMHO. I'd get the same one, if I had the money.
would love to see a ride comparison between these two! Obviously, the aluminum seems to be the best value type purchase assuming the two ride similarly?
Based on the comments, ORBEA needs to make a version with longer travel and 85 nm of torque as a option… I wouldn’t be surprised if they do in the near future.
With the way some of us build our bikes, a frame only kit would be pretty cool!
People are changing this over to a 170 fork and 162 rear with an offset bushing allowing a 8.5x 2.5 shock. Seams to be a great bike set up that way. I'll be doing that to my H30 when it comes in.
@Glenn Olsen Orbea have one. It´s called the Wild FS.
@@crencos That's not lightweight
@@jordanmackay3568 no, but 85nm with a battery below 600Wh the range is very low. The weight is mainly on the battery. Because Orbea have the wild fs and the rise, two distinct bikes, they have covered the lightweight trail bike and the beefy full enduro bike.
@@crencos yes but I'm sure he meant a lightweight enduro bike. The Kenevo SL is the one 👍
Having spent two full big days on the carbon version, I can say this light weight ebike is the way to go hands down. The ep8 motor puts out just enough power at 65 watts where I think it’s powerfully enough in the profile 2 setting and the overall weight feels way better then a full fat ebike. This is a great big back county sled. Now they just need to make an enduro version. I love the kenevo SL but I think Specialized needs to up the power on that bike. Having owned the 2020 Spec Enduro, that frame is amazing. Now if they can just up the watts to 65 or more that would be the winning ticket for me.
Amazing color!
Rob, do you have any saddle time on the H10 yet? I'm curious to see a comparison on real world ride feel and whether that extra weight compromises the Rise experience.
Yes Rob, Need a ride comparison . I found the Rise ep8 r/s noisy compared to my 2018 brose on a Levo. High pitched noise. Your last motor test had the EP8 very quiet climbing!? . Was it a one off (noisy, albeit brand spanking new) demo or is it because of the tuning, it makes more noise? Btw you could update the motor test with the EP8RS and throw in Bafang and Polini also now!
Hi Rob. You stated in the trek rail review that you are 6ft 3" and bought a size large. What size Orbea rise did you purchase? Thanks for the reviews.
Hello Rob , when is a Rise rewiew in the field? Ahhh Merry Christmas to all
One thing i dont understand is why dont Orbea have a option to get the full 85nm out of the motor?
LOL, I just received my H yesterday. Unboxed it and hope to wrap it today before I head out for a ride. Today I received an email that the wrong motor software installed (guessing the full power Shimano EP8) and that I need to take it in to get flashed with the RS to maintain the warranty.
I would not return it.
Ride it first and give feedback 🤘
does the motor still rattle or have they fixed it?
Hey Rob, thanks for the review and good work getting your hands on one of them, out of interest does the Carbon range extender fit on the Ally bike and have you taken the two internal batteries out? would the 540w fit in the carbon? Have been told no but would be interested to double check that. Cheers
The M series carbon Rise range extender will not fit on the H series' aluminum Rise. Orbea does have one in the works and should be available Spring or Summer of 2022.
@@robd9819 Humm, don't understand why they don't just use the one they already have seems odd to make things more complicated, its not like the carbon extender is big and heavy. Going to pull the battery out the H? Thanks
Make the comparison please. You can also throw the BH iLynx in the mix too.
Was reading that you can only remove the battery by removing the motor first, that sounds like a bit of a pitfall, still that’s a price to pay for the lightness.
Rob, when do we get your full review of the H10!?
Hi Rob, I’m new to mountain biking, and looking for my first bike, and watched a few of your videos really enjoy the content you give, looking these lighter bikes and would like to see the test between these two bikes, I’m 5.6 and 77kg 30” inside leg which bike would be best for me thanks
Rob, have a look on the BH ELYNX TRAIL.... in my opinion the best light ebike on paper for the batery
Please ride and compare them!
Hey, very interested in the rise H models, but how does it compares to a full powered 85nm bike like a merida or trek? Love the vids you make btw, great info good filming
Also looking for this answer 😂
are you going to get your hands on the superlight BH Ilinix? looks amazing
Were you planning on doing a review on any of the hydros vs the carbon rise?
Rob, Big question is which one would you choose?
For everyones information, the battery on the alloy bike accounts for 900g so the like for like comparison between the bikes is 18.9 vs 19.8. The alloy bike is only 900g heavier!
Please compare them. Thank you. Would like to hear how they sound.
Why not swap out the EP8 RS for a regular EP8 on the Hydro? Light bike with more grunt, great for an intense 2 or 3 hours of blasting
The only thing I need to know is does that ep8-rs still rattle?! Awesome bike but a deal breaker if they still haven't fixed that.
300 grams difference but how would they compare with the same wheels, tires and groupset?
Did you ever work this out? I’m guessing it still does rattle but an alloy frame should absorb the rattle a little better than carbon.
That is the most stealthy ebike I have ever seen
70 nm would be spot on with the 500 watt battery
You mentioned that you liked 455mm chain stays. How tal are you? What sizes do you prefer and which reach do you prefer? Do you think the rise chain stays are to short ?
wish you boys were over here in the states, Im going to do a head up of the 21 rail 9.9 and the 22 rail 9.9 and then Im selling off my 21
but ill take more battery over less anyday its an EBIKE after all.
Richie from Boston ! My man !
Please do a comparison ride review
How about the Rise aluminum vs giant trance e aluminum?
Hey Rob. Could you please review SCOTT RANSOM ERIDE?
Hi Rob, are you going to review this bike?
No reason why this doesn't have the full power EP8.
I have a 2018 Levo with the 504 battery and 97% of the time I never need more battery, riding mostly in trail, and a bit in turbo.
Riding Innerleithen and the French Alps usually 18-26 miles and 2k' of elevation, I do ride minimum of 4 times a week, preferring more rides over 1 epic slog a week.
And Orebea does make a nice looking gen1 Levo replica.
The H10 looks the better package.
H10 has a Fox 36? All the specs I've seen shows a Fox 34. I have an H15 on order specifically for the Fox 36. Still looking for an M10 though.
You can upgrade to Fox 36, Float X, 8120 brakes just like the M10 comes stock. These 3 upgrades only raises the price $335 I think. You can also upgrade the tire spec for a bit more, but your LBS would have to order it like this, or a long wait straight from Orbea.
OK…this is def an amazing accomplishment on Orbea’s part…but why can’t it come with the ‘FULL’ version of the EP8??? Because honest to God…a sub-20 kilo bike with 540wh battery onboard (with the option of a range extender) and the full-torque motor would destroy sales figures!!!!!
Maybe you can just replace the firmware (and void warranty and all that).
If the rise had KSL geo I’d be all over that
Come on Rob. Where's that comparison video. No one has done a ride video on the hydro yet!
Hi do you know if you can slacken the head angle on this bike ?
What are the lights you are using that are leaning against the wall next to the bike?
Thanks for the video Rob. Would love to see a comparison between the aluminium Rise and the new carbon Giant Trance e+
Do you ride the bike without pedals? I don't get the logic why you wouldn't add the pedals before weighing.
Why not have the OG tune on the motor?
I really want the h15 model.
Pretty tempted by the H15 if E-MTB's were legal on my trails (they are not). Would want to pay them extra to upgrade the brakes to the 8120's and 200mm rotor though as well as upgrade to the Grip2 and more adjustable float X and move the dissector to the rear and put an Assegai up front.
Those bikes are both XL?
Both a nice but id stick with my carbon rise. After 6 months riding i only depleted the battery twice without range extender so i wouldnt want a bigger battery.
Me either. I’m only 20 rides in and haven’t come close to needing the range extender yet. I just got one though for those 4,500’+ vert rides I plan on doing. I average about 17 miles, 2,800’ rides and always use roughly around 65-70% battery.
Needs a full fat motor option, at 500wh and an extender that is huge capacity so no reason it cant be a full ep8 option too. Totally missing a secondary market at present.
You can release the full potential of the motor with 3rd party apps. Untraceable by Shimano.
most of the focus jam models 2019 running a 378wh battery as well as a shimano e8000 arent much heavier with the drifter weighing in at just over 19kg
@@megane230f1 a mate has had a sam2 for 3 years , a bike well ahead of its time.
@@CarkeekW i have had my jam 2 four years been an immense bike its been upgraded over the years it hasnt missed a beat and 9 times out of 10 i very rarely use thee add on pack that takes it to 768wh
I don't understand how this can be 2kg lighter than a carbon frame YT Decoy? (19.8kg vs 22.9kg) Same weight motor, similar capacity battery. The forks would be a bit lighter on the M10 Hydro, as well as the 180mm rotors, but I'm not seeing what else is making it lighter. Then add in the extra weight of the aluminium frame, I'm really confused.
I think the rs version moror is lighter than standard version. Maybe less cooling fins or smt. Still that doesnt do that much. Maybe yt has stronger frame being gravity oriented bike.
Wheels and tyres can add up.
The EP8 RS is the exact same motor just with different firmware, so no weight difference there. Similar tyres and wheels as well. Maybe it's the frame like you said, it might be very thick carbon fibre while the Orbea might be very thin aluminium. Unless Orbea's battery weighs a lot less than YT's somehow 🤔
@@brettmansfield Yeah. U are brobably right. Rs is just limited to extend battery live and also protect it. There is a reason why the engine is even more restricted when using that smaller extension battery. Theorerically they might have done small weight savings on the engine becouse lower power output and thermal load had allowed it. But then again differenses arent that big so might not be reasonable for cost increase to do so.
Rise saves weight on a less stiff frame and non removable battery. Maby the frame can't even handle 85nm
Will the 500w battery fit in the carbon bike?
no. slightly fatter casing.
Carbon rims are very light!
I want it but I can't justify having a high tower V2 and this bike. It would b a crime to have two bikes with the same travel numbers
does the motor still rattle? very curious if the allu frame hides the noise better
The rattling motor was fixed several months ago. My M20 which was delivered in July, doesn't rattle.
@@gsum1000 I hope this is true. Have h15 preordered yet the rattling ep8 is a major worry to me
@@In_dependent I can only speak for personal experience of my bike. BTW, the cables rattle against each other. This is easily fixed by taping the cables together.
Why not compare it with rotwild re375 has 60 Newton of torque option 1 and option 2 gives full 85 so full power ebike enduro with 170 travel front and rear weighs 18 kilo
19.8 is heavier than is quoted by orbea. I assume this is an xl size?
Yes 👍
Has anyone flashed the rs with the standard ep8 firmware. If this was even possible would the integrated batteys on theses light bikes be able to output enough current without overloading there BMS.
It would be cool to be able to switch between motor settings and just add battery capacity or remove it depending on your ride that day
Maybe in a year or two
I honestly think 99% of riders would not have the discipline to keep it out of full power mode (if you could do this) I know that I set off with the best of intentions to not use boost and I always do!! If this happens it kind of defeats the object of the bike.
@@coop69coop Very true
Those tyres were great on my Rise when I got it last August, until the first day in the woods, absolutely shockingly bad - positively dangerous on anything wet..... Magic Mary and Big Betty straight on with Rimpacts!!! You can feel the drag but a lot less than the drag from a full body cast would be.... 🤣
Range test; max power til dead pls!
Is it possible to de restrict the rise h30
The Orbea Rise engineers threw out serviceability (battery change) and ergonomics ( no display) out the window. Sad because I considered it.
I meant DHRII on the rear! Tough decision on which one to get? Would you go for H10 or M10?
H15😉
Difficult. M10 has the Float X - and the smaller battery if you need you can use the range extender. And the M10 has the individualise option.
H10 with better tires and pedals you will have easy 20,5kg - and it’s just a trail bike
M10. I can still brake at the same point that I do on my 27 pound trail bike with my 41 pound M10. If you add a few more pounds these dynamics change. M10 of course has the 4 pot vs the 2 pot on my Ripley.
M10. Think it's still the better bike.
Both look brilliant! I took delivery of an M10 about 8 weeks ago and am loving it. Once you spec them out similarly, their isn't much of a cost difference. My area isn't that mountainous and I've done some fairly epic rides without running afoul of battery restrictions. I like the modular battery setup on the M10. The smaller battery is sufficient for 99% of my riding and I only need to add the extender (and lug the additional weight) for the small percentage of rides that it is needed. People doing lots of climbing or spending more time in Boost mode may enjoy the bigger battery, though, and I don't think you could go wrong with either one. Cheers, All!
Lightweight bikes the holy grail for old people with dodgy backs;)
All well and good .. but when are bike manufacturers going to address the elephant in the room...that being the massive unreliability of Shimano motors? With bikes costing upwards of £5k, and motor replacement (outside warranty, or original ownership) costing around £1k, they really need to do better.
Haven’t heard that in fact I’ve heard the exact opposite. That they are very reliable.
@@jroase1658 I've had 3 E7000s none lasted much more than 1k miles, and 1 E8000 failed at 600 miles. Error codes W013/E010. Shimano Esteps Users on FB.
I don't get it, the weight thing. We have batteries and a motor. I weigh just over 100kg and I would take 2 litres of water on my back on a ride, another 2kg. Then I've got tools, a bit of food and a few spares, like an inner tube, a bit of extra clothing. I'd have the same extra kit on a bike with no power assistance, its just what you need to ride. The biggest difference I could make would be to loose 10kg in body weight. I've already done that in the last 3 years and feel much better for it. If I'd ridden my none powered bike as long and as far as I've done with my e-bike, I might have lost that weight. Realistically that wouldn't have happened as I wouldn't have the inclination or the willpower to do it. My guess is that these lightweight e-bikes are just to convert none powered mountain bikers to get into the e-bike scene with some credibility. If you have a rider that is super fit and competitive the weight difference may be slightly significant. My Orbea has a 625Wh battery and a Gen 4 CX motor, it just makes all my rides worry free.
🤘🏼🤘🏼
Has anyone ever had any experience towing a friend with them helping up a fire road?
It's 300g different on occasional epic rides where you might need the range extender but for most rides where no range extender is needed, it's 1800g different. That's quite a bit of unneeded battery and weight that somewhat defeats the brilliant concept of a lightweight, only-as-much-as-you-really-need ebike.
They sell a display for it.
next gen levo sl better suprise me